[MG1]

I have a good supply of KN 95. I'm so used to wearing masks, I can't imagine going anywhere without one now. I even wear masks when gardening. Keeps nasty stuff out of my lungs (allergy relief). I'm fully vaccinated, but I'm not going to take any chances. The vaccines are not a cure. People who have had covid and recovered from it might not be out of the woods. Chances are it'll come back to haunt you later on in life. So much shit in the air...........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhGdTcJqlBw

[fliptuner]

My buddy got an appointment for second shot in Surrey, they didn’t say which it was until he was there. Got Pfizer as first and only Moderna was at the location he showed up to. Walked and he said a bunch of people cancelling on site as well

The total population getting their second shot will likely take much longer than the first did, as they are seeing in the states
Sunset in Van had all 3 when I went last Sunday

[MG1]

My second dose was Moderna. Pfizer was at the site, but reserved for 12 to 18 year olds. a few people were really upset. The guy behind me looked like he was going to die from an anxiety attack. I thought about it for about 30 seconds and said, "What the fuck." I feel a little left out, here. No bad side effects. Sore arm day after was about it. Maybe mixing the two was a good idea??? I had more soreness from the Pfizer.

[eclipseman]

Wife went for Pfizer at Sunset today. Can confirm they had both Pfizer and Moderna available.

[AzNightmare]

I just made an appointment for my 2nd shot.
They said it will either be Pfizer or Moderna.

[Traum]

Drove my MIL to Fortius for her 2nd dose this morning. They are only offering Moderna, and thankfully, her first shot was also Moderna.

It did make me wonder though -- if she was offered Pfizer and she chooses to turn it down, do we just book again for another time, and hope that the same shot as she had before is available?

[Hondaracer]

^ that’s what they told my friend. They will cancel the appointment and then you’re back in the system to just book another appointment, again, without knowing which you will be offered

[G]

Drove my MIL to Fortius for her 2nd dose this morning. They are only offering Moderna, and thankfully, her first shot was also Moderna.

It did make me wonder though -- if she was offered Pfizer and she chooses to turn it down, do we just book again for another time, and hope that the same shot as she had before is available?

I booked for Fortius today, thought they would have both Pfizer and Moderna tbh, thanks for the info, will have to rebook...

[SkinnyPupp]

It's absurd that they just give you whatever they have willy nily, with studies around the world still pending on whether that's even effective. I really hope it ends up working out OK. At least they're both mRNA.

The non insane anti-vax people, at least the normal people who are skeptical, are right that a lot of policies are being done without enough thought. Desperate times and all that, but wow. They don't HAVE to be this casual about it.

China is being super careful with their vaccine program, and even then they may have to give people a third dose, because resulting antibodies of their vaccine is quite low.

[SSM_DC5]

Moderna CEO is already prepping for the need to have booster shots.

[RiceIntegraRS]

Got my 2nd shot yesterday and with the combination of this heat, im getting my ass kicked. Alil fever, dry ass throat, running nose, alil headache. But im starting to feel abit better now. First shot was AZ 2nd shot was Moderna

[westopher]

Something to keep in mind. When you get boosters for your immunizations, they literally NEVER look at the brand of the previous vaccination. Your second covid shot is a booster.

[MarkyMark]

I still think if these vaccines were engineered with 2 doses in mind then they should give people whatever their first dose was for their second shot. Over the next month they should get enough of both vaccines to be able to coordinate this shit a little better than "the first shot available is the best one". Yeah that's what you said about AZ.

[Hondaracer]

Pull up any paper from the states regarding mixing etc. Places where they have enough supply to provide the same shot twice and you will come across the statement of “mixing is only required in ‘extraordinary’ circumstances”

[Gh0stRider]

Got Pfizer for my 2nd shot at RR Casino. They were offering both

[MG1]

When I received the Moderna after the Pfizer, I asked if a third shot was doable. I should have cancelled and waited, but by the sounds of it, Pfizer shortage was all across the country.

Better to get the second shot now (Moderna) while I could, was my thinking. I'll see if a third shot (Pfizer) a month or two later is possible. If it isn't available, I'll just keep cancelling until I get that second Pfizer shot, lol. Something tells me booster shots are going to be recommended in the future........... 'cause nobody has the answers.

BTW, nobody could answer my question. Par for the course.

[MarkyMark]

People should do what they're comfortable with. I just think you shouldn't be coerced into taking whatever is available just because you're already there. At this point I've had Pfizer for my first shot and I've yet to receive my text for the second dose appointment. I might just wait until both shots are readily available before I go and get my second dose. My guess is by the end of August there will be tons of both shots available and since I'm not planning to get on an airplane before then it doesn't really matter.

Apparently Covid Delta+ XXL Deluxe is immune to all the vaccines anyways so who cares right, we'll be still wearing masks and back in lockdown by October anyways right?

[westopher]

Pull up any paper from the states regarding mixing etc.
I thought we weren't supposed to trust mainstream media?

[JSALES]

I got Pfizer for my first shot and only getting Pfizer for my second shot. Hopefully I’ll get an invitation to book soon

[MarkyMark]

I got Pfizer for my first shot and only getting Pfizer for my second shot. Hopefully I’ll get an invitation to book soon

Oh you'll get an invitation to book soon, it'll just be a roll of the dice whether you get your shot that day or not.

[AzNightmare]

There's a lot of articles saying mixing is OK, esp Pfizer and Moderna which are similar enough.
Is there a reason why people prefer to not mix and match? Or just for the sake of using the same one twice seems safer?

I'm booked for next week but I can still cancel, or decide to bail if it's Moderna, but I haven't really decided yet.
My wife does customer service so she kind of feels inclined to take the 2nd shot since it's better than not... and I'm just following suit cause I live with her. lol..

[xxxrsxxx]

I got a booking link and see appointments for the next couple of days available, should I book a later date so that my second dose is at 8 weeks.

[G]

Got my second shot yesterday. Had Pfizer first shot, and got booking link yesterday to get my second shot.

Managed to find a place in Surrey that had a time slot but they only offered Moderna, I then rebooked for another same-day appointment at Fortius and saw this thread saying it was Moderna only too. Did some digging and found out that Convention Centre was offering both and kept refreshing the booking page and snagged an appointment and got Pfizer.

IMO: Book something farther out and then click in to reschedule and wait for cancelled appointments to pop up. You can 100% find same-day appointments.

[JD¹³]

Watching highlights of full stadiums and arenas in the US and abroad from the NBA and NHL playoffs to MLB games and Euro 2020 has just gotten infuriating. Meanwhile Canadiens fans in Montreal are limited to 3500 people in the arena but they allow this on the streets:

https://globalnews.ca/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/CP125663599.jpg

It's become such a virtue-signalling political bullshit fest it's a national embarassment. We're the laughing stock of the first world. The country should be wide open and back to full operation, masks left as personal choice. This countries politicians from Federal to Provincial have failed ALL of us and are just playing partisan games at everyone's expense at this point. Fuck them. Please remember that during the coming elections.

[punkwax]

The laughing stock of the first world? :lol

I was told yesterday that BC was the only part of North America that managed to keep schools open for inside learning for kids. That’s something to be proud of IMO.

Two sides to every coin. Nice try using hockey games to push your agenda to a Canadian audience though LUL

[SkinnyPupp]

Outdoor venues opened up way before indoors in most countries. It's pretty apparent by now (https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/04/13/covid-outside-safety/) that the virus doesn't spread that well outdoors

Plus statistically, at least 70% of those people will have at least their first vaccination shot

[sonick]

The laughing stock of the first world

Yeah pretty sure nobody gives a shit besides people on Gab and Parler for something to get outraged over.

[quasi]

The laughing stock of the first world? :lol

I was told yesterday that BC was the only part of North America that managed to keep schools open for inside learning for kids. That’s something to be proud of IMO.

Two sides to every coin. Nice try using hockey games to push your agenda to a Canadian audience though LUL

I'm not sure how true that is, my niece was in class in Saskatchewan but I guess that's still Canada so argument stands. :)

[punkwax]

I certainly didn’t fact check it. All I know is my kids’ schools didn’t close for a single day and I know schools were closed elsewhere so I just took the info at face value.

[JDMDreams]

So HK is banning all fights from UK cuz of the Delta variant, should we ban UK also......?

[Traum]

So HK is banning all fights from UK cuz of the Delta variant, should we ban UK also......?
HK's reasons to do this is purely political. They've had an extended run of zero local cases for at least 1.5 month, and the HKSAR gov is still imposing harsh COVID restrictions to prevent people from gathering for protests. The flight ban to/from UK is to prevent Hong Kongers from fleeing HK to the UK since a lot of Hong Kongers qualify for permanent residence in UK now. Most notably, the PK HK gov is trying to catch the last of the dissentients / pro-democracy players from escaping the draconian National Security Law.

For example, I think HK has just arrested another ex-Apple Daily writer at the airport when he is preparing to board a flight to the UK.

[Hondaracer]

This whole delta variant scare thing by the news etc. Is pretty gross. No one willing to lay out the reasoning behind it outside of like, guests on radio shows

Delta variant spreading and “effecting young people” because…they aren’t vaccinated..

Countries that didn’t promote vaccination among young people are seeing these delta variant outbreaks whereas Canada likes to promote the scare of the delta variant, however, among the people being effected in other countries our 12-17 year old people have nearly the same immunization rate as the general population.

You think the states is gonna close down sporting events etc. Because of the delta variant? Lol not a chance.

[JD¹³]

The laughing stock of the first world? :lol

I was told yesterday that BC was the only part of North America that managed to keep schools open for inside learning for kids. ThatÂ’s something to be proud of IMO.
[It's also a lie.]

Two sides to every coin. Nice try using hockey games to push your agenda to a Canadian audience though LUL
I certainly didnÂ’t fact check it. All I know is my kidsÂ’ schools didnÂ’t close for a single day and I know schools were closed elsewhere so I just took the info at face value.
FailFish:lol "LUL" Nice use of inflammatory words like agenda. What agenda? Using logic and common sense? Asking for accountability from elected officials whose salaries we pay? Is completely making shit up like you just did better or worse than providing actual statistics?

UK all loaded up with the "Delta Variant" - 66.5% first dose, 48.7% total vaccination rate
https://a.espncdn.com/photo/2021/0614/r867461_1296x729_16-9.jpg

Hungary - 56% first dose, 49.5% full vaccinated
https://s.france24.com/media/display/0575317e-cdfc-11eb-9749-005056bfd1d9/w:980/p:16x9/4943e8b54c7c9a8847c3bcc6a707f71ce6887691.webp

New York - 59.7% first dose, 46.6% total vaccination rate
https://saltwire.imgix.net/2021/6/24/islanders-prevail-in-ot-force-game-7-vs-lightning.jpg

Florida - 52% first dose, 44.4% total vaccination rate
https://images2.minutemediacdn.com/image/fetch/w_2000,h_2000,c_fit/https%3A%2F%2Ffansided.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fgetty-images%2F2021%2F06%2F1325500933.jpeg

Georgia - 42.5% first dose, 35.45% total vaccination rate
https://diggingsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/WhatsApp-Image-2021-06-08-at-11.13.24-AM.jpeg

Meanwhile in Canada with the highest overall vaccination rate in the world according to this article (https://globalnews.ca/news/7949797/canada-covid-cases-june-14-2021/)....
https://cdn.theathletic.com/app/uploads/2021/05/31214727/GettyImages-1231777148-1024x683.jpg

I just use sporting events as an example of larger policy. It extends to all industries and how they're being allowed to operate. People need to go back to work and stop taking government handouts. We are intentionally being held down. If you don't see that this is all a political game at this point you just have your eyes closed.

[stylez2k4]

Are you trying to say that the UK and USA are good examples to follow for COVID policies?

[punkwax]

I didn’t make anything up. I was relaying info I was told which I also admitted I didn’t fact check.

But yes, you have an agenda if you’re telling people how to vote and making shit up like “we’re the laughing stock of the first world.”

[underscore]

Using Florida as a positive standard for anything Covid related is laughable.

[mikemhg]

I don't usually agree with JD13, but he has a bit of a point.

We might not want to compare ourselves to other countries, but optics is everything, and people do make such comparisons outside of our RS bubble.

When you're seeing our European and American counterparts having events like this in comparison to our still current lockdown, to any laymen that would seem out of touch. I feel nothing but sympathy seeing workers right now having to wear these ridiculous masks in 40+ degree heat, July 1st is days away, enough is enough already. I've had countless conversations with service people who are now finding insufferable. I WFH, so for people like myself, I'm totally unaffected.

People are just getting tired of this, I was a proponent of the lockdowns, wearing masks, but at this point its worn thin.

[Hondaracer]

There is pretty clearly political motivation in keeping controls in place when you see “uncontrolled” events like in Montreal just have a blind eye turned to them

Saving those last 80/90 year olds by keeping heavy restrictions in place in exchange for decimating the last few businesses that were living day to day.

[Traum]

Not gonna comment on JD13 or mikemhg's posts regarding re-opening the economy, but I do want to bring up some quick numbers:

According to Google, UK has been seeing a pretty steady climb of new COVID cases since late May / early June. The trajectory looks sufficiently steep to me, and in the past week or so, seems to have kicked up a notch into an exponential type of growth curve too. Deaths have gradually climbed. You can say they have doubled since flat lining at a very low count since some time ago, but to me as a layperson, the new death counts are too low to suggest something statistically.

The US is seeing a slight rebound in new cases. Things were really good in early June, but it is a bit worse now. New death counts are still sort of dropping.

Canada's new case counts has been continually dropping at a significant rate since mid April, and it continues to drop. Without a doubt (to me at least), this is the result of our generally very successful vaccination campaign and high vaccination rates across the country. Death rates have generally been on a down trend since late April, although there has been some recent fluctuations in the recent days.

My personal feeling is -- at least here in BC, we have been on a very good trend. We have a plan to re-open; it looks to me like we are heading that way; I am happy to stick to that plan without moving those plans up. I will openly admit that I am more risk adverse, and that's where I stand.

The UK and US obviously have lower vaccination rates than we do. Along with their more aggressive re-opening plans, I'd say everything basically just adds up.

I don't usually agree with JD13, but he has a bit of a point.

We might not want to compare ourselves to other countries, but optics is everything, and people do make such comparisons outside of our RS bubble.

When you're seeing our European and American counterparts having events like this in comparison to our still current lockdown, to any laymen that would seem out of touch. I feel nothing but sympathy seeing workers right now having to wear these ridiculous masks in 40+ degree heat, July 1st is days away, enough is enough already. I've had countless conversations with service people who are now finding insufferable. I WFH, so for people like myself, I'm totally unaffected.

People are just getting tired of this, I was a proponent of the lockdowns, wearing masks, but at this point its worn thin.

[westopher]

I just use sporting events as an example of larger policy. It extends to all industries and how they're being allowed to operate. People need to go back to work and stop taking government handouts. We are intentionally being held down. If you don't see that this is all a political game at this point you just have your eyes closed.
https://www.calgarystampede.com/stampede/tickets
Here you go. 2 weeks away and the whole country is saved from the communist grips of Trudeau!

[MG1]

My friend from Edmonton, who contracted Covid after being immunized, told me, the Stampede may spell disaster for Alberta. Although it looks like Calgarians are immunized and whatnot, it's people from the suburbs and outlying towns and communities who are not vaccinated that might be an issue. They will, in turn, go back to spread the virus to their towns.

As for hospitalization numbers not going up, I would hope so. Isn't that what the vaccines are supposed to do? Reduce the effects of the virus. Not a cure.

[Gumby]

There is pretty clearly political motivation in keeping controls in place when you see “uncontrolled” events like in Montreal just have a blind eye turned to them
People were gonna gather regardless of rules. If the Canucks made it to the SCF this year (Lol), I bet fans would congregate downtown. If the police tried to intervene, it might result in a riot.

It’s a “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” situation.

[twitchyzero]

Olympics is also next month

[MG1]

deleted comment.... solves nothing.

[JDMDreams]

Man I'm scared, masks will only be recommended as of July 1 and no longer state of emergency. Ready to bareback with the Karen's............:heckno:

[spoon.ek9]

you've got it a tad wrong. masks will no longer be mandatory. it's still recommended but you have a choice now. personally, i'll still wear a mask in busy areas like malls and grocery stores.

[MarkyMark]

Can't businesses still make you wear them anyways? I can't see all the stores suddenly saying it's ok to walk around without a mask.

[quasi]

I'll be honest if I don't have to wear a mask I'm not wearing one. That said, if a store or business wants me to wear one I'll do it no problem I'm not going to argue with them their business their rules.

[sonick]

Yeah, I'm still gonna wear masks when I am indoors for an extended period of time like the mall or grocery shopping, however if I am going thru my condo hallways to walk the dog or entering a restaurant, probably wouldn't bother.

[JDMDreams]

I'll still be wearing my mask. Not sure how it's going work out at work, since they can't even really force ppl to wear mask if they say they have health exception. But last time I heard they are making employees wear them but I'm not sure how they can enforce that since it's not mandatory by the gov. Vs work is private property and if they will say must have mask to enter.

[Hondaracer]

Done with masks and gonna make a fuss if you’re gonna ask me to wear one in your business!!

[SSM_DC5]

Done with masks and gonna make a fuss if you’re gonna ask me to wear one in your business!!

Why make a fuss when you can just turn around and leave?

[Traum]

I'm still gonna wear a mask for the next little while because what else am I going to do with the inventory that I have accumulated over the past year? Might as well use them up somehow LOL~

[westopher]

I'm not sure how true that is, my niece was in class in Saskatchewan but I guess that's still Canada so argument stands. :)

Done with masks and gonna make a fuss if you’re gonna ask me to wear one in your business!!
Or you could make everyone’s lives easier including your own and just not do that lol.
Things worth fighting people over:
Insulting you or your family
Being rude to those around you
Putting others at risk
Being racist or sexist
Things not worth fighting over:
Being asked politely by a private business to wear a mask

[Hondaracer]

I’m joking lol

Goes over well on da net

[westopher]

Lol, you never know these days. People pick weird fuckin hills to die on.

[BIC_BAWS]

I'm still gonna wear a mask for the next little while because what else am I going to do with the inventory that I have accumulated over the past year? Might as well use them up somehow LOL~Just hold onto them, chances are, we'll have a fall lockdown again / use them during flu season

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[MG1]

Casinos opening July 1st. Masks required. Even if they weren't required, I'd wear one.

Got emails about the openings last week from various casinos.

[punkwax]

Walmart/Costco? Mask for sure.

The local quiet veggie mart? No mask unless they’re packed for some reason.

[Gh0stRider]

dont care, open the fucking border

[winson604]

A year and a half in I've found the journey to wearing masks here in Canada fascinating. Being Chinese it's nothing new to me seeing people wear masks for years when they are sick. From the very start pre lockdown a lot of Asians were already wearing them by default. It was an adjustment but by no means weirded me out. For me wearing one it was new but didn't bug me. I joked with my white coworkers way before they were recommended and being mandatory that I'll be concerned when I start seeing white people wear it because at that point I knew that the whole world has finally taken this serious enough.

Fast forward now restrictions aside I'm probably going to keep the habit of wearing masks for a long time perhaps even forever. It doesn't mean I'm going to be wearing masks when indoors forever but in hind sight there are certain places where now it just seems funny thinking we didn't pre pandemic. For example wearing one when you're at the doctors absolutely to me makes sense and it's crazy to think we didn't before lol. I'm really curious what industries will just keep the policy of wearing masks for a long time. Cooks and servers? Makes sense to me now, would it be normal practice going forward? Pre COVID you already had certain companies who handle food already wear masks by default, not so much in a restaurant but some of those good production companies. We'll see!

[westopher]

Cooks and servers will definitely not continue to wear masks when the go ahead is given.
As you said, it makes sense to wear masks if you’re sick. If you’re sick, you shouldn’t be at work. If you’re not sick, you shouldn’t need to wear a mask when there isn’t a pandemic putting the entire world at risk.
The logic of wearing a mask as a server but not wearing a mask at a hockey game or concert doesn’t line up.

[MarkyMark]

I've been happy to be a part of the solution, and will continue to wear masks for businesses that want me to, but beyond that I'm ready to take this new vaccine out for a spin and let my immune system stretch its legs.

There's very few times of the year where I'm in what I consider to be a "crowded" place where it just seems gross to be around so many people so I think I'll live.

[Hakkaboy]

Cooks and servers will definitely not continue to wear masks when the go ahead is given.
As you said, it makes sense to wear masks if you’re sick. If you’re sick, you shouldn’t be at work. If you’re not sick, you shouldn’t need to wear a mask when there isn’t a pandemic putting the entire world at risk.
The logic of wearing a mask as a server but not wearing a mask at a hockey game or concert doesn’t line up.

Question, have you ever sent home a server when you see that he/she had the "sniffles" or a cough/sneeze here and there?

[westopher]

I’ve sent home cooks dozens of times in my career. And yes the GM has sent home servers as well. I’ve certainly worked places that didn’t, but that obviously has to change with the way the world works now.
That said, it’s also a personal responsibility for people who are feeling sick to make that decision.
I’m not going to send someone home who feels fine but I see them cough once or twice in a shift.

[MG1]

I was only there for an hour or so, but everybody working there seemed to treat each other like family - lots of respect. I don't think any of them would show up for work if they suspected they had Covid. I loved how the owner kept making sure everybody was happy - both workers and customers alike. Definitely not a "restaurant chain" type of atmosphere. I went alone and that was a good thing. I had the opportunity to see all the goings on in that place. I'm super glad places like this still exists. But, the food.......... WOW! I'm going back, 'cause there's so many items to choose from. Wait....... this is about Covid...... sorry. Not the right thread.


Oops.......... damn, westopher. You are a master at multitasking? Also, me slow.

[Hakkaboy]

I’ve sent home cooks dozens of times in my career. And yes the GM has sent home servers as well. I’ve certainly worked places that didn’t, but that obviously has to change with the way the world works now.
That said, it’s also a personal responsibility for people who are feeling sick to make that decision.
I’m not going to send someone home who feels fine but I see them cough once or twice in a shift.

Hopefully with COVID, people now have a greater responsibility with not coming in when sick, even if it doesn't seem that serious.

But on the server front, if someone had a choice between taking a sick day, or going into work only slightly sick and make hourly + tips, then I can certainly see them choosing the latter more times than not.

[westopher]

You could say that about every hourly employee in any profession, which is why government mandated sick pay has become such a contentious issue.
Restaurants aren’t some Wild West profession where there are no standards for the employees. Shitty ones maybe, but again, same as the shitty meat packing plants, shitty used car dealers, etc.
It’s in everyone’s best interests that people don’t get sick in our establishment. If you’re worried about that, you aren’t frequenting places that have interest in professionalism, or you need to work on your trust.
As I said, I’d be a lot more worried about the guy next to me at the hockey game or at the show at the commodore giving it to me than my server, but truthfully with the current situation, I’m not all that worried about any of it.

[PuYang]

Kinda embarrassing to admit, but I've always personally struggled with taking sick days...

It might be my upbringing, or something. The whole idea of 'toughing it out' etc, and just go to work anyway. The only times I would take a sick day is if I have a fever or something that really impacts my ability to concentrate.

I think part of it is I feel bad not getting any work done?

Of course, with Covid now, and going forward, I'll definitely be more careful and mindful about risking other's health.

---

A Random 'sick / illness' story of me still going to class (regrettably):
During my first year of university (many many years ago), I was SUPER SICK on the last day of the semester. But I had to hand in and present the final project to the class. So, despite feeling like garbage I went to school anyway. The whole time sitting there in class listening to others present theirs, I was sitting there just sweating like crazy and feeling super ill.

Finally got my presentation over, I told my friends I have to skip the second class and immediately headed home.

I had to walk ~15 minutes to the bus, take a bus for ~20 minutes, then take the skytrain, then get off and change trains at Broadway/Commercial, then ride the Millennium train towards Lougheed. I called my mom and asked her to pick me up at the Production station in Burnaby while I was still on the train.

The entire journey I was burning up, dizzy, sweaty, felt like throwing up, etc.

By the time I was ONE station away from Production, I threw up all over the floor on the skytrain. In that moment, I tried to 'hold it back' with my hands... resulting in me vomitting all over my hands and then onto the floor. Fortunately it was around noon time (not rush hour), so there wasn't AS many people on the train.

I was like oh crap, what now? I reached into my bag to grab some napkins, but the sheer volume of... vomit... was impossible for me to clean up. Especially when I was about to arrive at my station.

I look up, and sitting across from me is a guy who looked? like a homeless person. He was just looking at me and then he shook his head slowly. LOL. I'll never forget that awkward moment xD

Anyway, I had to just bail and got off the train at my station... leaving a bunch of napkins sitting in a pool of vomit...

But after that, I felt 100% better. I guess my body just really really wanted to expel something lol.

[underscore]

I think part of it is I feel bad not getting any work done?

I recall seeing a study that showed that due to how being sick makes you work less efficiently/accurately for a few days, and when you get your coworkers sick they do the same for a few days, that going into work while sick results in a larger reduction in the amount of work being done than if you just stayed home for those days.

At least now that everyone owns a bunch of masks hopefully more people will wear them to work/in public when they're feeling sick. I know I will be.

[Gh0stRider]

My previous employer only had 3 sick days per year. I would use that up every year. Afterwards, I would continue to come to work despite feeling under the weather.

My employer now gives me sick hours each paycheque and I've banked enough to take several months off, so I don't hesitate to use them if I feel anything coming on.

[MarkyMark]

Well that was fast, just went to my gym and I think it's was me and maybe 3 other people that had a mask on lol

[JDMDreams]

Does anyone think with the current rules it will be a disease of the poor and uneducated? Since they aren't forced to wear a mask anymore

[hud 91gt]

No.

[westopher]

It was a disease of the poor and elderly to start with. Obviously being that marginalized communities and people are in low paying, front line jobs.
Vaccines are the flame retardant in this fire fight at this point. There’s plenty of wealthy and educated people who are choosing not to use the tools given to them. Smart? Probably not.
We know you want to say “I told you so” every time some sort of socialization is reintroduced, but the numbers are still declining as the vaccine uptake increases.

[SkinnyPupp]

It's absolutely going to be a disease of the poor on a worldwide scale. Sure Canada can get their population vaccinated, but what about poor countries? ie the majority of the world's population?

Vaccinated countries will exist in their own bubble, and others will have to be cut off because they still have covid. And also they'll be developing new variants that will continue to threaten even vaccinated countries.

This isn't going away any time soon.

[Teriyaki]

Taking a step back though, almost all diseases and sicknesses affect poor people more don't they? I mean we take for granted that we've pretty much eradicated things like Ebola and Yellow Fever from our immediate worldview, but they're still pretty relevant in the poorest places. You just don't step outside your house thinking, shit hope I don't stung by a bitch of a mosquito and die from Yellow Fever today.

No reason to think COVID is going to be any different like all those other "historic" diseases.

[SkinnyPupp]

Taking a step back though, almost all diseases and sicknesses affect poor people more don't they? I mean we take for granted that we've pretty much eradicated things like Ebola and Yellow Fever from our immediate worldview, but they're still pretty relevant in the poorest places. You just don't step outside your house thinking, shit hope I don't stung by a bitch of a mosquito and die from Yellow Fever today.

No reason to think COVID is going to be any different like all those other "historic" diseases.
Unless 2 years from now, one person on a flight from one of these countries spreads a vaccine resistant variant to everyone else, and it goes from there and then we have to do this all over again.

Once we're vaccinated, every effort must be taken to vaccinate the rest of the world.

[JDMDreams]

On the mask note, I was out today at the mall and most like 90% of of the people I saw were wearing masks still. I was at London drugs ICBC and I asked the lady there, she said it was still company policy for employees to wear masks. Which is a great thing. And I fully support.

[acrophobia]

Just got my 2nd jab, Pfizer both times. Will feel much better visiting my grandparents in 14 days...need to keep the vulnerable safe!

[quasi]

On the mask note, I was out today at the mall and most like 90% of of the people I saw were wearing masks still. I was at London drugs ICBC and I asked the lady there, she said it was still company policy for employees to wear masks. Which is a great thing. And I fully support.

I went to the mall with wife and son, was masks as usual.

We stopped at the pub for a late lunch, it was fairly busy and nobody wearing masks walking around, coming and going except for us and a couple waitresses. I wasn't sure what to expect today but those two locations were different worlds.

[westopher]

Pretty much everyone who came in the restaurant today was wearing masks still. All staff included.

[Teriyaki]

Unless 2 years from now, one person on a flight from one of these countries spreads a vaccine resistant variant to everyone else, and it goes from there and then we have to do this all over again.

Once we're vaccinated, every effort must be taken to vaccinate the rest of the world.

Absolutely, I agree that we should make every effort to vaccinate those that can't afford to vaccinate because diseases really know no borders and we really don't want a super-variant rearing its ugly head and circling around to undo everything.

Flipside, there are going to be those that think "I got mine, go F yourself", "Canada hurrdurr government dumb, we ordered too much vaccine now we donate to others?? my tax dollars!!! "

[punkwax]

In Whistler right now. 95% mask free I’d say. Server at Araxi encouraged me not to mask up in the restaurant an hour ago. Said she’d live vicariously through me.

I guess I’ll have to see if Rimrock and Bar Oso are as relaxed :D

It’s been a long time since I’ve heard all the woo girls in the village :lol

[BIC_BAWS]

I was in Langley today. All the restaurants, franchises, and Superstore still had mask signs up. At Superstore, every one was still masked except for a couple with children.

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[Tapioca]

The policies around mask-wearing are really no different than the old "no shoes/no shirt - no service" policy. We just have a very vocal minority, who in the age of social media, get to have their egos stroked by purposely defying policies of private businesses.

[MG1]

When I was at the casinos, I was asked to remove my mask.









So they could check out my ever trusting old man face for the security cameras.

[Ludepower]

Casino was packed yesterday. Half the people had their mask down because of drinks.

We're getting back to normal. Congrats everyone and fuk the anti vaxxers.

[Gh0stRider]

When I was at the casinos, I was asked to remove my mask.









So they could check out my ever trusting old man face for the security cameras.


Cuz you look shady AF

[MG1]

Cuz you look shady AF

I've met you before................ nuff said.

But everybody had to remove their mask. You of all people should know about security measures.

Just ribbing you, man.

god bless.

[ImportPsycho]

went to aldergrove water park today
they said limited capacity, online pre-booking full 5 min after starting.
expected few people....
Limited capacity my ass, it was packed as same as pre-covid.

looks like we eradicated Covid-19 boys, good job!

[ImportPsycho]

I was in Langley today. All the restaurants, franchises, and Superstore still had mask signs up. At Superstore, every one was still masked except for a couple with children.

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was at Ikea Coq yesterday, even some of employees weren't wearing mask

[Gh0stRider]

I've met you before................ nuff said.

But everybody had to remove their mask. You of all people should know about security measures.

Just ribbing you, man.

god bless.

Yes, I know. Worked in Casinos long time.

[Euro7r]

I was at the bank Friday afternoon to deposit some money, lining up, this brown guy comes in without a mask. Asks around the people lining up if he has to wear a mask. Fucking idiot trying to act like he's some hotshot talking out loud on the phone and asking. Everyone inside the bank is wearing masks and fucking signs that says mask mandatory. Businesses have their own rules they can impose, just because restrictions are lifting doesn't mean all businesses need to bend down to them immediately.

[donk.]

Casino was packed yesterday. Half the people had their mask down because of drinks.

We're getting back to normal. Congrats everyone and fuk the anti vaxxers.

How dare you speak of my 3 co workers like that

[JDMDreams]

And this is why there's dead body's floating down the Ganges:heckno:


I was at the bank Friday afternoon to deposit some money, lining up, this brown guy comes in without a mask. Asks around the people lining up if he has to wear a mask. Fucking idiot trying to act like he's some hotshot talking out loud on the phone and asking. Everyone inside the bank is wearing masks and fucking signs that says mask mandatory. Businesses have their own rules they can impose, just because restrictions are lifting doesn't mean all businesses need to bend down to them immediately.

[MarkyMark]

Yeah someone asking if a mask is mandatory in a business is going to cause dead bodies floating down the Fraser River.

Is Canada also an overpopulated third world country now too?

[PuYang]

Booked my 2nd shot at the Christine Sinclair Community Center (Burnaby) 2 weeks from now, hoping they still have Pfizer. Got my first Pfizer shot there.

The appointment booking email said: "You could get either vaccine at the clinic. A choice will not be offered."

If anyone got their second shot there, let me know what they have~

Thanks in advance!

[BaoTurbo]

Wait so the mandate is no masks in public indoor places.

So basically every establishment you go to ie restaurant, dealership, mall those are all private places. So you need to wear a mask right?

So the community centre is considered public indoor space?

[Hondaracer]

I’m in penticton right now snd 100% of the spaces I’ve been to are no masks. Employees not wearing them all signs down etc.

Even for a hotel with a big lineup in the lobby maybe 1 person of 30 wearing one

Yay

[whitev70r]

Masks are not required in public places but strongly recommended. But I believe stores can require individuals to wear masks.

[JSALES]

There are some people at the airport who think the no masks rules apply but the airport falls under federal regulations so masks are still mandatory.

[StylinRed]

Finally got to get my 2nd dose today, I had booked for late in the evening, but they called first thing in the morning, asking if I could come earlier (Langley Events Centre)

I guess the rate of people getting their vaccines has really fallen

There was hardly anyone there, didn't even need to wait outside, the line inside was a little slow, but only because they just had 1 person administering shots initially (the other nurses there were waiting for more vials to be brought out) once they got resupplied the lineup zipped thru

I hope that means the whole province will be done with 2nd doses soon

[BIC_BAWS]

Are we supposed to get called/notified for second dose or do we just go and get it?

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[TypeRNammer]

Are we supposed to get called/notified for second dose or do we just go and get it?

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I got a text notification for my 2nd dose and was able to book it.

[MarkyMark]

Finally got to get my 2nd dose today, I had booked for late in the evening, but they called first thing in the morning, asking if I could come earlier (Langley Events Centre)

I guess the rate of people getting their vaccines has really fallen

There was hardly anyone there, didn't even need to wait outside, the line inside was a little slow, but only because they just had 1 person administering shots initially (the other nurses there were waiting for more vials to be brought out) once they got resupplied the lineup zipped thru

I hope that means the whole province will be done with 2nd doses soon

Did the events centre have both shots available or only one? Going there next week

[CRS]

Every clinic will have changing supplies every day since they get their shipments daily. There is no guarantee that if clinic A has pfizer/moderna today, they'll have it tomorrow.

By the end of the month, Canada should have enough vaccine supply that every 12 year old and up can get their full 2 dose.

[GLOW]

hope the convention centre isn't too busy, that's the earliest in e.van.

i think i'm good with either pfizer or moderna since it's the same tech

[inv4zn]

Got my second shot on Friday at Fortius/Sinclair in Burnaby - they had both at the time. Wife got her's at Anvil Centre on Friday as well, they also had both shots.

No side effects for her at all, I was a little tired the evening of and slept like a baby for 12 hours. Slight headache the day after, sore arm, but that's it.

[Ch28]

Booked my 2nd shot at the Christine Sinclair Community Center (Burnaby) 2 weeks from now, hoping they still have Pfizer. Got my first Pfizer shot there.

The appointment booking email said: "You could get either vaccine at the clinic. A choice will not be offered."

If anyone got their second shot there, let me know what they have~

Thanks in advance!

I got my second shot last Tuesday there and they only had Moderna. My first shot was Pfizer but they'll likely be doing boosters in the future so idgaf anymore and took the Moderna shot. Better to be fully vaccinated than waiting around for another appointment where I may or may not get Pfizer.

[quasi]

Did the events centre have both shots available or only one? Going there next week

Only had Moderna last week.

[ssjGoku69]

Wife got her's at Anvil Centre on Friday as well, they also had both shots.

Anvil Centre on Saturday only had moderna so I ended up getting the mRNA mixture

[PuYang]

Got my second shot on Friday at Fortius/Sinclair in Burnaby - they had both at the time. Wife got her's at Anvil Centre on Friday as well, they also had both shots.

No side effects for her at all, I was a little tired the evening of and slept like a baby for 12 hours. Slight headache the day after, sore arm, but that's it.

I got my second shot last Tuesday there and they only had Moderna. My first shot was Pfizer but they'll likely be doing boosters in the future so idgaf anymore and took the Moderna shot. Better to be fully vaccinated than waiting around for another appointment where I may or may not get Pfizer.

I am hoping for double pfizer, but I'll probably just take the moderna if that is all they have when I go... :(

[Ch28]

I am hoping for double pfizer, but I'll probably just take the moderna if that is all they have when I go... :(

One thing you need to take into account is the fact that we might be moving onto yearly COVID booster shots once the majority of Canadians are all fully vaccinated. There are talks of having the COVID booster combined with the flu shot (if possible) so it's a one and done on a yearly basis and more convenient for everyone. If that's the case then I don't really see a huge reason to be fully committed to having the same two doses from Pfizer or Moderna.

When was the last time you went for a flu shot and asked the person administering the shot if it's the same vaccine from the previous years?

[PuYang]

One thing you need to take into account is the fact that we might be moving onto yearly COVID booster shots once the majority of Canadians are all fully vaccinated. There are talks of having the COVID booster combined with the flu shot (if possible) so it's a one and done on a yearly basis and more convenient for everyone. If that's the case then I don't really see a huge reason to be fully committed to having the same two doses from Pfizer or Moderna.

When was the last time you went for a flu shot and asked the person administering the shot if it's the same vaccine from the previous years?

Didn't know getting yearly booster shots was going to be a possibility :S

I actually personally never gotten a flu shot (to my knowledge). Not anti vaccines or anything, just never bothered or felt the need for flu shots.

My only hesitation right now is admittingly, mostly due to my lack of knowledge and research into this subject. If it wasn't for me reading/hearing conflicting messages here and there, I probably wouldn't have put this much thought into it.

[westopher]

I think the amount of information available out there can be a hinderance more than a benefit at times. When only bits and pieces get pushed by the media, or people around you, it's not going to be easy to process without searching further. People are getting inundated with things they don't understand.

[MarkyMark]

The way I see it is if both shots were available they would advise you to get the same shot as the first one. They are only telling you to get the other shot because it's all they have, much like when they told you to take the AZ shot.

I'm not saying mixing shots is bad for you, but how would they really know when mixing shots wasn't really a thing until a couple months ago? Once again, if the difference between mixing and not mixing is only a couple of weeks I'll be fine waiting for my second dose.

[punkwax]

Getting my second dose Friday. Part of me prefers to get Pfizer again but if all they have is Moderna, then so be it.

[Hondaracer]

One thing you need to take into account is the fact that we might be moving onto yearly COVID booster shots once the majority of Canadians are all fully vaccinated. There are talks of having the COVID booster combined with the flu shot (if possible) so it's a one and done on a yearly basis and more convenient for everyone. If that's the case then I don't really see a huge reason to be fully committed to having the same two doses from Pfizer or Moderna.

When was the last time you went for a flu shot and asked the person administering the shot if it's the same vaccine from the previous years?

Never had a flu shot, maybe ever. I’ve also haven’t had a “flu” in the last 10+ years or so. So I’d be somewhat concerned if I’m being offered varrying options of somthing I necer usually take.

As I said before, no where with the luxury of enough supply of the vaccine is mixing. First dose efficacy is obviously enough that if you want to, you can wait for your preferred shot.

I don’t begrudge people for mixing etc. But don’t feel like you should just be forced to take whatever is offered

[mikemhg]

I’m in penticton right now snd 100% of the spaces I’ve been to are no masks. Employees not wearing them all signs down etc.

Even for a hotel with a big lineup in the lobby maybe 1 person of 30 wearing one

Yay

You were out there same time as us, we just came back last night.

I concur, not a single mask was seen at the Barking Parrot, or any of the breweries, and restaurants.

It was glorious.

Side note though, Penticton was a gong show for getting a spot to eat at night, literally starting from 5PM every spot had long waits.

Penticton was rammed with people, and every restaurant and bar was seriously short staffed.

[Hondaracer]

You were out there same time as us, we just came back last night.

I concur, not a single mask was seen at the Barking Parrot, or any of the breweries, and restaurants.

It was glorious.

Side note though, Penticton was a gong show for getting a spot to eat at night, literally starting from 5PM every spot had long waits.

Penticton was rammed with people, and every restaurant and bar was seriously short staffed.

Yeap, didn’t plan on going but was forced to due to evacuations. Stayed at the lake side resort which was a huge gong show compared to when we usually went likely due to the same issue, short staffing. Front of the house staff were wayyyy behind and we got to check in 2 hours after regular time. No one in the bar knew anything about drinks on the beach which was the Norm last year etc.

And yea..waited about 30 minutes every time we went to eat because of lack of staff seemingly.

Still had a great time but there’s gonna be some growing pains hiring new people in the service industry.

The lakeside resort also had a serve yourself breakfast buffet this morning. Was nice to feel a little normal

[punkwax]

30 mins is nothing. 2+ hour long waits in Whistler and Bar Oso flat out couldn’t get us in.

Went for a drink at the Longhorn while waiting to see if we could get into Bar Oso and it was pretty much a full on rave/party with the DJ bumping house. Got out of there pretty quick since I haven’t had my second dose lol

[acrophobia]

Yeap, didn’t plan on going but was forced to due to evacuations. Stayed at the lake side resort which was a huge gong show compared to when we usually went likely due to the same issue, short staffing. Front of the house staff were wayyyy behind and we got to check in 2 hours after regular time. No one in the bar knew anything about drinks on the beach which was the Norm last year etc.

And yea..waited about 30 minutes every time we went to eat because of lack of staff seemingly.

Still had a great time but there’s gonna be some growing pains hiring new people in the service industry.

The lakeside resort also had a serve yourself breakfast buffet this morning. Was nice to feel a little normal

You guys are here visiting? From the lower mainland? I thought it was only the red plates that invade here every summer :lol

Hope you had a good visit. We were out and about today and I’d say about 25% still masking (including myself, as I’m only a few days into my 2nd dose).

[Hondaracer]

^ yea we have friends we usually stay with and then usually once a summer at lakeside. Have been going 2-3 times a year for the last 3 or so since they moved up there. Every time I’m up there I feel like we should move up..

But yea the red plates were def coming snd going. The most I’ve seen since covid probably

[underscore]

I'm not saying mixing shots is bad for you, but how would they really know when mixing shots wasn't really a thing until a couple months ago?

Is it actually a new thing in general though? Kids get a whole wack of shots and then boosters and I can't say I've ever heard the name of the manufacturers or if the booster is from the same as the initial shot, but I can't imagine there's only one supplier for each type? I don't think I saw anything on my records from when I was a kid or on my kids stuff from the past couple years here.

[StylinRed]

Did the events centre have both shots available or only one? Going there next week

They had pfizer n moderna

And a note on the front door saying which dose you would be getting

"1st dose pfizer, 2nd dose pfizer"
"1st dose moderna 2nd dose moderna"
1st dose AZ, 2nd dose pfizer or moderna I can't remember

Since I didn't lineup I only got a passing look at the signage

Also, to note, my arm was a little sore the night of the shot, less so than the first dose, and I don't feel anything at all today

[spoon.ek9]

I don't understand where this notion of "being forced" into mixing vaccines is coming from. No one is telling you to sit down, shut up and take what we tell you to. It's literally what's available and if you choose to decline that's not an issue whatsoever. So how is anyone actually being forced into taking a different brand?

again:

1. this is what's available right now
2. you can decline if you wish

literally no one has control over what is being supplied other than the manufacturers themselves. you can't blame the gov't for not being able to acquire something the manufacturer cannot provide at any moment in time.

[SkinnyPupp]

I don't think anyone is really complaining about being 'forced' to do it.. I think the issue is that some people don't want to blend vaccines (and unlike other vaccines, we're not talking about 'using two different vaccines' like when you get different shots as a baby - but instead different technology methods the efficacy of which hasn't been studied yet).

Many of these people don't mind waiting until they can get the same one, but there are no assurances that they will be able to do that, if ever.

It might be totally fine, and most are sure it's not going to be dangerous, but it's something we don't know about. And out of all the retarded anti vaxx stuff you see, there is at least some validity to arguing against using drugs we don't know much about.

[StylinRed]

Ontario reported thousands of cases of ppl leaving their second dose appointments because they would be getting moderna instead of pfizer

Sure u can do that, but doesn't that dose go to waste then? Since they've brought it out of their cryo fridges

people should know what they're getting before they go, so the doses aren't wasted if that's the case

[MG1]

I think the Moderna doesn't require cryo freeze, just regular refrigeration for certain amount of days.

https://investors.modernatx.com/news-releases/news-release-details/moderna-announces-longer-shelf-life-its-covid-19-vaccine

[Hondaracer]

I don't understand where this notion of "being forced" into mixing vaccines is coming from. No one is telling you to sit down, shut up and take what we tell you to. It's literally what's available and if you choose to decline that's not an issue whatsoever. So how is anyone actually being forced into taking a different brand?

again:

1. this is what's available right now
2. you can decline if you wish

literally no one has control over what is being supplied other than the manufacturers themselves. you can't blame the gov't for not being able to acquire something the manufacturer cannot provide at any moment in time.

No one is “forcing” anything but I think a lot of people who are unsure about mixing or even feel they might not want to have no other choice when they show up and only one or the other are offered

People don’t have the time to keep cancelling and rebooking appointments until they randomly get the same shot as the first. Thus you feel pressured into taking what’s offered.

The fact that a choice is offered at some locations and not at others just goes back into the ineptitude of the govts. Roll out. Adrian Dix was called out on why they couldn’t provide info as to which was offered where to avoid people showing up and declining and he essentially said it was too much work. Great.

I’d say if mixing wasn’t a big deal or wasn’t somthing that people should be able to choose, why offer a choice at all?

[MarkyMark]

They had to have known it was going to be more difficult with the second shots having to match first dose. Instead of figuring out a way to at least inform people of what facilities will have what shots on any given day they just hope people will shut up and settle for what's offered to them because they already took the time to get there. Sure most people might not give a shit but I'm sure there's plenty who do.

I don't feel forced to take anything I just think it's very sloppy in the way they are going about this.

[JDMDreams]

One thing might be cuz you can't travel down the road if you mix and match? Countries have the right to not recognize the vaccine you got. Just like how the China Russian ones aren't recognized by Canada. Or USA doesn't recognize az.

[68style]

^ certain event organizers in the USA said they might not recognize AZ and then backtracked… accuracy matters

[MarkyMark]

Well i clicked reschedule for my second dose at Langley Event Centre and they had one spot for literally 1 minute later. I live a couple mins away so I took it. Guy at the door said they have both shots but walk ins will most likely get Moderna. The funny thing is once I got inside they didn't care if I had an appointment or not they just asked what your first shot was and you got a white sheet for Pfizer and a yellow sheet for Moderna.

[threezero]

Wait you can just walk in to get your shots?

Is this new or have been living under a rock?

[MarkyMark]

I don't think it's something they advertise but it sounds like they've been letting people walk in at certain places. I know a few people that went with someone for their second shot and they asked if they wanted to get their shot as well while they are there even though they didn't have an appointment.

It could depend on location and how many doses they got that day.

[Sw0op]

it depends on where you're "walking in".

some have a certain allotment each day whereas others are just fully booked...if you're walking in now though they have more supply for Moderna so you're likely going to get moderna for now as a walk in

some will try in the morning or near the end to catch any cancelled appointments or any unused vaccines

heck even the timing doesnt make much of a difference...just book the day you want and pretty much go in anytime...the timing is there for "crowd control" so that not everyone shows up at the same time

[MarkyMark]

I'm sure most people are content just waiting for their appointment so the amount of people just going there to ask if they have any extra doses is probably pretty minimal which is why they accommodate them.

[6793026]

if u are 7 weeks into the game, you can walk into some of the places to get a shot.

[Euro7r]

Seems like many of you guys have gotten your vaccine. Who has NOT taken the vaccine? I haven't taken mines yet or have plans to yet anytime soon. I only go out once a week to do groceries and see gf, other than that, pretty much at home working.

[Presto]

Don't be a freeloader. Get your vaccine. It's a quick process.

[westopher]

Get your groceries delivered.

[JDMDreams]

No Rs meat for you, vaccinated members only :pokerface::lawl::troll:


Seems like many of you guys have gotten your vaccine. Who has NOT taken the vaccine? I haven't taken mines yet or have plans to yet anytime soon. I only go out once a week to do groceries and see gf, other than that, pretty much at home working.

[underscore]

I got the text to book my second shot at 2am, exactly at 7 weeks since the first shot and right when the site said I'd be able to. It seems like everyone just looks at their default location because that one has no slots at all left in July and the other two I could pick from had plenty of openings starting next week.

[JDMDreams]

At this point I don't think there's any benefit to delaying getting the shot, I sure don't want to die cuz I got coughed at by an anti masker. And as the other variants continues to brew I'm sure we will need updated vaccines which makes the unvaccinated even more vulnerable.

[Presto]

Missouri is getting crushed by the Delta variant


KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) (https://apnews.com/article/mo-state-wire-michael-brown-coronavirus-pandemic-health-89fa995c59397228d8d56e1ab45890ab) — As the U.S. emerges from the COVID-19 crisis, Missouri is becoming a cautionary tale for the rest of the country: It is seeing an alarming rise in cases because of a combination of the fast-spreading delta variant and stubborn resistance among many people to getting vaccinated.

Intensive care beds are filling up with surprisingly young, unvaccinated patients, and staff members are getting burned out fighting a battle that was supposed to be in its final throes.

The hope among some health leaders is that the rest of the U.S. might at least learn something from Missouri’s plight.

“If people elsewhere in the country are looking to us and saying, ‘No thanks’ and they are getting vaccinated, that is good,” said Erik Frederick, chief administrative officer at Mercy Hospital Springfield, which has been inundated with COVID-19 patients as the variant first identified in India rips through the largely non-immunized community. “We will be the canary.”

The state now leads the nation with the highest rate of new COVID-19 infections, and the surge is happening largely in a politically conservative farming region in the northern part of the state and in the southwestern corner, which includes Springfield and Branson, the country music mecca in the Ozark Mountains where big crowds are gathering again at the city’s theaters and other attractions.

While over 53% of all Americans have received at least one shot, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, most southern and northern Missouri counties are well short of 40%. One county is at just 13%.

Cases remain below their winter highs in southwestern Missouri, but the trajectory is steeper than in previous surges, Frederick said. As of Tuesday, 153 COVID-19 patients were hospitalized at Mercy and another Springfield hospital, Cox Health, up from 31 just over a month ago, county figures show.

These patients are also younger than earlier in the pandemic — 60% to 65% of those in the ICU over the weekend at Mercy were under 40, according to Frederick, who noted that younger adults are much less likely to be vaccinated — and some are pregnant.

He is hiring traveling nurses and respiratory therapists to help out his fatigued staff as the rest of the country tries to leave the pandemic behind.

“I feel like last year at this time it was health care heroes and everybody was celebrating and bringing food to the hospital and doing prayer vigils and stuff, and now everyone is like, ‘The lake is open. Let’s go.’ We are still here doing this,” he said.

There are also warning signs across the state line: Arkansas on Tuesday reported its biggest one-day jump in cases in more than three months. The state also has low vaccination rates.

Lagging rates — especially among young adults — are becoming an increasing source of concern elsewhere around the country, as is the delta variant.

The mutant version now accounts more than 20% of new COVID-19 infections in the U.S., doubling in just two weeks, the CDC said Tuesday. It is responsible for half of new cases across a swath that includes Missouri, Iowa, Kansas, Nebraska, Colorado, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Utah and Wyoming.

“The delta variant is currently the greatest threat in the U.S. to our attempt to eliminate COVID-19,” said Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation’s top infectious disease expert. He said there is a “real danger” of local surges like the one in Missouri in places with deep vaccine resistance.

To help counter the threat, administration officials are stepping up efforts to vaccinate Americans ages 18 to 26, who have proved least likely to get the shot when it’s available to them.

Elsewhere around the world, Britain, with an even higher vaccination rate than the U.S., has postponed the lifting of remaining restrictions on socializing in England because of the rapid spread of the variant. Israel, another vaccination success story, is reacting by tightening rules on travelers.

In Missouri, Republican Gov. Mike Parson has taken the position that it is better to ask people to take “personal responsibility” than to enact restrictions.

Missouri never had a mask mandate, and Parson signed a law last week placing limits on public health restrictions and barring governments from requiring proof of vaccination to use public facilities and transportation.

Missouri Health Department spokeswoman Lisa Cox said the agency is encouraging people to get vaccinated, but confessed: “This is the Show-Me State and Missourians are skeptical.”

Frederick said some people in the heavily Republican state are resistant because they feel as if Democrats are pushing the vaccine.

“I keep telling people, while we are busy fighting with each other, this thing is picking us off one by one,” he said. “It takes no sides. It has no political affiliation. It is not red. It is not blue. It is a virus. And if we don’t protect ourselves, we are going to do a lot of damage to our community.”

Steve Edwards, CEO of Cox Health, lamented in a tweet that while a number of major news organizations have contacted the hospital about the rise in cases, Fox News was not among them.

“Fox,” he tweeted, “is the most popular cable news in our area — you can help educate on Delta, vaccines and can save lives.”

Lisa Meeks, 49, of Springfield, is among those who haven’t been vaccinated. She said that she is a Christian and that God gave her a strong immune system.

“As of right now, nobody knows anything long term or short term about these vaccines because they are brand new,” she said, despite months of real-world evidence that the vaccines are highly safe and effective. “And so people are now basically the lab rats.”

An offer of free beer from Mother’s Brewing Co. in Springfield for those who get vaccinated drew a disappointing 20 to 50 people to each of the first three clinics.

“We keep trying,” said Jeff Schrag, owner and founder of Mother’s Brewing. “It is a game of inches.”

As immunizations slow, the delta variant has become the predominant form of the virus in the region. Aaron Schekorra, a spokesman for the Springfield-Greene County Health Department, said it makes up 93% of the random sample of cases that the county is sending for analysis, up from 70% three weeks ago.

He said that unvaccinated people gathering for graduation celebrations and Memorial Day festivities also fueled the spread of the virus. The events came just as the community lifted its mask mandate.

“My concern,” he said, “would be that this is a preview of what is to come in other parts of the country that don’t have higher vaccination rates.”

[Hondaracer]

Anyone been to Fortius lately? Offering both shots?

My second scheduled for 5

[ryany]

Anyone been to Fortius lately? Offering both shots?

My second scheduled for 5

My mom went few days ago and got to choose.

[blkgsr]

had my 2nd shot appointment at porrier yesterday

they had both shots but there wasn't a choice. P-P, M-M, AZ-M

AZ first shot so they were going to give me moderna. asked the guy for pfizer and he asked his supervisor, she asked me why, i gave a couple reasons and they let me go in that line

VERY slight pain right where the shot is today, ZERO other symptoms. maybe a touch tired but who isn't these days with the heat and general life.

[MarkyMark]

My second Pfizer shot definitely made my arm more sore today compared to the first dose, but that's about it as far as side effects go.

[Traum]

I'm almost at the 7 week mark after my first Pfizer shot, and I haven't been notified to book my 2nd dose yet.

Judging by what I see in my social media feed, it seems to me that quite a few of the people I know have been vaccinated more quickly than I have. Some have had their 1st dose earlier than I did even though they are younger than I am. And then there are others who had their first dose later than I did, but have received their 2nd dose already.

I have no clue why that is happening, although it does seem a bit strange. But hopefully I'll get my 2nd shot soon enough.

[G]

I'm almost at the 7 week mark after my first Pfizer shot, and I haven't been notified to book my 2nd dose yet.

Judging by what I see in my social media feed, it seems to me that quite a few of the people I know have been vaccinated more quickly than I have. Some have had their 1st dose earlier than I did even though they are younger than I am. And then there are others who had their first dose later than I did, but have received their 2nd dose already.

I have no clue why that is happening, although it does seem a bit strange. But hopefully I'll get my 2nd shot soon enough.

Lots of reasons why some that are younger received theirs earlier like hot spots, workplaces, etc etc.

If you want some kind of timeline:
1st shot - May 8
2nd Shot - June 26

So around 7 weeks from first is when you typically get your registration link.

[StylinRed]

I received my first shot May 7th and had my second shot on Jul 4th could've had the second dose a few days sooner, but didn't have the time to go

[pastarocket]

Uh oh. Another Covid variant. Lambda

This one was first detected in Peru.

We have Eleven cases so far are in Canada.

Check out this story from NEWS 1130: https://www.citynews1130.com/2021/07/07/covid-19-lambda-variant-canada/


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[JDMDreams]

^ it would be a shame if some unvaccinated and anti maskers died, it's happening in the US already :pokerface:

[CRS]

Say it with me guys...

Unvaccinated people are variant factories.

[MarkyMark]

I'm almost at the 7 week mark after my first Pfizer shot, and I haven't been notified to book my 2nd dose yet.

Judging by what I see in my social media feed, it seems to me that quite a few of the people I know have been vaccinated more quickly than I have. Some have had their 1st dose earlier than I did even though they are younger than I am. And then there are others who had their first dose later than I did, but have received their 2nd dose already.

I have no clue why that is happening, although it does seem a bit strange. But hopefully I'll get my 2nd shot soon enough.

I got my 2nd dose notification exactly 7 weeks after my first dose so if you're close to 7 weeks you'll probably get it soon

[JDMDreams]

Enjoy the reopening while you still can,

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2021/7/1/who-warns-of-third-covid-wave-in-europe-as-cases-rise

[Hondaracer]

Just got second dose of Moderna at Fortius, thankfully had both so no complaining from me

Off to Montreal next Thursday :D

[CivicBlues]

I'm almost at the 7 week mark after my first Pfizer shot, and I haven't been notified to book my 2nd dose yet.

Judging by what I see in my social media feed, it seems to me that quite a few of the people I know have been vaccinated more quickly than I have. Some have had their 1st dose earlier than I did even though they are younger than I am. And then there are others who had their first dose later than I did, but have received their 2nd dose already.

I have no clue why that is happening, although it does seem a bit strange. But hopefully I'll get my 2nd shot soon enough.

You'll get your notification exactly 7 weeks from your 1st shot.

[68style]

My 7 weeks is tomorrow, will confirm!

[StylinRed]

I received my first shot May 7th and had my second shot on Jul 4th could've had the second dose a few days sooner, but didn't have the time to go

Should add my notification for my 2nd dose was texted to me on June 25th, so ya 7weeks

[Great68]

I got my notification and booked for dose 2 yesterday. Booked to get the shot on the 25th (earliest available was July 19th but I'm going away fishing)

My first dose was may 18, so yeah pretty much 8 weeks to the day

[AzNightmare]

Got my 2nd shot today, Pfizer both times.
So far, no symptoms other than my shoulder being sore, like any other shot.

Will report back tomorrow if something escalates.

[mikemhg]

I'm thinking about holding off my second dose until after the long weekend in September, am I a bad guy for that? First shot was May 31st.

We have quite a few trips this summer, and I'm at the beach all the time.

I can't be having a 5 day diarrhea spell like the first shot..

[320icar]

I can't be having a 5 day diarrhea spell like the first shot..

Just think of it like a good cut. You’ll be hella vascular

[MG1]

am I a bad guy for that?

This is RS. Nobody judges anybody, amirite?

Hee hee, hue hue, pew pew……………….

[SkinnyPupp]

It's coming out that the BioNTech vaccine (distributed by Pfizer in most of the world) can now be stored at 2-8°C for a month.

This should help quite a bit. They're going to start letting clinics give the vaccine here.

[underscore]

I'm thinking about holding off my second dose until after the long weekend in September, am I a bad guy for that? First shot was May 31st.

We have quite a few trips this summer, and I'm at the beach all the time.

I can't be having a 5 day diarrhea spell like the first shot..

iirc you're mostly good to go with the first shot and the second is what gives you the longer-term protection, but I'd wanna check if there's going to be a reduction in the effectiveness if they're taken too far apart. before they were proposing 4 months between shots and you'd only be at 3 and a bit so I'd imagine you're fine?

That said, how do you know it was the shot? there's a bunch of stuff out there that can fuck you up like that, I seem to have had it happen more than most people though.

[DJ Milk]

My first dose was May 18 and got my booking email July 6, so exactly 7 weeks. I could have booked it for the same day but I decided to book the appointment for July 7.

The place I went to had both Pfizer and Moderna and they will match your first dose

[Ludepower]

They let me choose my 2nd dose and I stayed with Pfizer. No side effects for both of my shots.

Went to Vancouver Community College instead of Vancouver Convention center. Super smooth and fast process with plenty of free street parking around.

Covid is over for me. Im gonna block out the negative news. Anti-vaxxers can go die catching the variants.

[68style]

My 7 weeks is tomorrow, will confirm!

It’s true, right after midnight I got a text and email telling me to schedule my second shot m… 7 weeks to the day.

I was unable to get an appointment earlier than July 19 though (Richmond).

[pastarocket]

Woo hoo! -received my booking appointment email this morning.

-booked my second shot for July 13th at the Vancouver Convention Centre. :awwyeah:

[CRS]

It’s true, right after midnight I got a text and email telling me to schedule my second shot m… 7 weeks to the day.

I was unable to get an appointment earlier than July 19 though (Richmond).

The booking site refreshes pretty often. When I was looking for an earlier appointment, I checked in a few times a day to change it.

[AzNightmare]

Ugh... day 2, not feeling well now
I was fine after my first shot, and the second shot looked like it was going to be the same.
But around evening, I started to feel more fatigued
Now I have minor head aches and my arms and legs feel weak.
Arm still feels sore as usual.

It's not severe, but I'm definitely not feeling well and have been taking periodical naps all morning.

[inv4zn]

Ugh... day 2, not feeling well now
I was fine after my first shot, and the second shot looked like it was going to be the same.
But around evening, I started to feel more fatigued
Now I have minor head aches and my arms and legs feel weak.
Arm still feels sore as usual.

It's not severe, but I'm definitely not feeling well and have been taking periodical naps all morning.

That's the same as me - it went away on day 3 though, hopefully yours is the same.

I have a cousin who got AZ first and Moderna second and he said he thought he was gonna die lol

[Hondaracer]

Almost 24 hours after second shot, feelin like superman baby!

I even pushed down an old woman for wearing a mask

[JSALES]

Woo hoo! -received my booking appointment email this morning.

-booked my second shot for July 13th at the Vancouver Convention Centre. :awwyeah:

What time is your appointment? I’m going the same day and I would like to know what vaccine they’ll have ahead of time.

[MarkyMark]

Day 2 after my second dose, absolutely crushing it at the gym I wonder if it's the shot or the fact that I'm not being suffocated by a mask anymore.

#enjoyingitwhileicanJDMDreams

[winson604]

July 13th Christine Sinclair Centre!

[pastarocket]

What time is your appointment? IÂ’m going the same day and I would like to know what vaccine theyÂ’ll have ahead of time.

The booking appointment e-mail that was sent to me this morning mentions that we do not have a choice of vaccine offered for the second shot.

You can get either Pfizer or Moderna. We get which ever mRNA vaccine that is given to us.

[lilaznviper]

i think most places will have both vaccines available.
just got my email today. exactly 7 weeks from when i took the shot.

took my parents today to ICC to get their 2nd shots, and both were being offered.

[Hondaracer]

July 13th Christine Sinclair Centre!

Man..it was kind of gutting to walk into Sinclair Center/Fortius and see it in this state.. FeelsBadMan

What a loss

[StylinRed]

It's always been meh on the inside tho

[Hondaracer]

It's always been meh on the inside tho

You ever go for treatment there? The rooms you go into now to get the shot used to be all the treatment rooms for massage, Chiro, Physio etc. And the waiting room used to be the performance treatement Center. They were beautiful but it feels like they even ripped off some of the finishing materials

More nostalgia than anything because I loved that place :QQ:

[iwantaskyline]

^What's happening with Fortius after vaccinations are done? Live like 10 mins away, would be nice to use their bball courts.

[Hondaracer]

Believe the city of Burnaby will be turning it into a rec Center. I’m not sure if they purchased all the gym equipment or not though because it was somewhat specialized. Not really the type of stuff a regular drop in may feel comfortable with so I wouldn’t doubt they sold it all off

[StylinRed]

You ever go for treatment there? The rooms you go into now to get the shot used to be all the treatment rooms for massage, Chiro, Physio etc. And the waiting room used to be the performance treatement Center. They were beautiful but it feels like they even ripped off some of the finishing materials

More nostalgia than anything because I loved that place :QQ:

Oh shit my bad I thought u meant sinclair centre downtown

Totally missed the fortius part, I haven't been by fortius in years, didn't know it got converted into a covid building

[Mikoyan]

i think most places will have both vaccines available.
just got my email today. exactly 7 weeks from when i took the shot.

took my parents today to ICC to get their 2nd shots, and both were being offered.

Yup, I got my 2nd shot at UBC yesterday, wife got hers at VCC downtown, and they have 2 sets of stations for each vaccine.

[Traum]

So, just like clockwork, I received the 2nd dose booking email at 4am this morning. Exactly 7 weeks since I got my 1st dose. Interesting...

Looking forward to get jabbed again because apparently, the latest lab tests are suggesting that a single dose of Pfizer or AstraZeneca “barely inhibited” the delta variant.

:badpokerface:

[SumAznGuy]

Oh shit my bad I thought u meant sinclair centre downtown

Totally missed the fortius part, I haven't been by fortius in years, didn't know it got converted into a covid building

Back in April, Fortius closed because of the pandemic and the city of Burnaby bought it and renamed it after Christine Sinclair

They are currently using the building for vaccinations.
Had mine there last week. I was in and out in 20 mins. very painless, the shot on the other hand. Hit me hard at the 24hr mark.

[mikemhg]

Day 2 after my second dose, absolutely crushing it at the gym I wonder if it's the shot or the fact that I'm not being suffocated by a mask anymore.

#enjoyingitwhileicanJDMDreams

It's the mask for sure.

Ever since having it off at the gym, my workouts have been measurably better.

The masks were also making me develop a bit of respiratory issues, I initially thought it was the weed :lol

Turns out it was in fact the masks at the gym, since ditching them, my lungs seem to be back to normal now.

I never wanted to be a Karen on the subject, but I was curious what type of detrimental effects the masks would create to one's lungs, it seems like that particular idea was pretty much stamped down during COVID, and likely fairly so.

But to say "masks don't inhibit lung function whatsoever" was total garbage, IMHO.

[mikemhg]

Believe the city of Burnaby will be turning it into a rec Center. I’m not sure if they purchased all the gym equipment or not though because it was somewhat specialized. Not really the type of stuff a regular drop in may feel comfortable with so I wouldn’t doubt they sold it all off

This is correct, they'll be turning into a rec center, and it'll likely be quite nice.

I do hope they retain some of the equipment though, Fortius had some great stuff there, it's too bad the owners couldn't manage a McDonalds. That place was hemorrhaging money, even before COVID.

Hope they keep that belt loaded deadlift machine, that thing was a beauty.

[Peturbo]

I've been told sinclair training gym is already open and they purchased a large chunk of the old equipment. I remember training there pre covid and the raptors were training there preseason. Going to cancel my club16 membership as my backup and switch to drop ins at fortius

[JDMDreams]

Rip off face masks they said, it will be fine they said

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/virus-antibodies-are-no-match-for-delta-variant-study-shows/wcm/837d0d17-68d9-4bbd-9622-07fc6c689f7f/amp/

[Mr.Money]

2nd vaccine i am amazed you guys did not feel fucked up "sick".


because i was energy less like i had H1N1.


just fucking destroyed sleeping all day.

[westopher]

Rip off face masks they said, it will be fine they said

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/virus-antibodies-are-no-match-for-delta-variant-study-shows/wcm/837d0d17-68d9-4bbd-9622-07fc6c689f7f/amp/

Yeah I mean fuck we should just close earth forever. Right?

[Traum]

I am extremely supportive of wearing masks, and I am going to say this -- you have to be aware of whether and how the mask you are wearing is affecting your breathing.

In some of the batches of masks that I have worn, I noticed that my throat will get varying degrees of discomfort. Early in the pandemic when masks were difficult to come by, I managed to purchase some India-made "surgical masks" that consistently gives me a dry, burning, and scratchy throat after I wear it for some time. Occasionally, my windpipe would feel uncomfortable after wearing that for an extended amount of time. My wife also felt a similar type of thing from the same masks. Another batch of made-in-China masks would often give me a dry throat but nothing more. A batch of made-in-Taiwan masks had a certain scent that I don't like, but doesn't make me otherwise uncomfortable. And then of course there are masks that just go about doing their jobs without affecting me much.

I don't blame any of that on the act of mask-wearing itself. Instead, it seems pretty obvious to me that the problem lies with the manufacturing of those masks. Ideally, the surgical masks are supposed to be produced in a germ-free clean room, but of course we have all seen how a lot of the so-called mask shops are nothing more than hastily set-up sweat shops with little regard to cleanliness.

The best masks I've worn have always been the hospital-grade stuff that I get from the hospital / vaccination center. They are comfortable, they seal extremely well, and they do not impede breathing at all. As an average Joe, of course I have no means to buy those from the open market.

It's the mask for sure.

Ever since having it off at the gym, my workouts have been measurably better.

The masks were also making me develop a bit of respiratory issues, I initially thought it was the weed :lol

Turns out it was in fact the masks at the gym, since ditching them, my lungs seem to be back to normal now.

I never wanted to be a Karen on the subject, but I was curious what type of detrimental effects the masks would create to one's lungs, it seems like that particular idea was pretty much stamped down during COVID, and likely fairly so.

But to say "masks don't inhibit lung function whatsoever" was total garbage, IMHO.

[Traum]

Rip off face masks they said, it will be fine they said

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/virus-antibodies-are-no-match-for-delta-variant-study-shows/wcm/837d0d17-68d9-4bbd-9622-07fc6c689f7f/amp/
You can certainly interpret the news article that way, and I cannot say your interpretation is wrong. However, my takeaway from a similar study is suggesting that:

https://www.citynews1130.com/2021/07/08/pfizer-to-seek-ok-for-3rd-vaccine-dose-shots-still-protect/

Researchers in Britain found two doses of the Pfizer vaccine, for example, are 96% protective against hospitalization with the delta variant and 88% effective against symptomatic infection. That finding was echoed last weekend by Canadian researchers, while a report from Israel suggested protection against mild delta infection may have dipped lower, to 64%.

So IMO, as long as we've had the full 2 dose vaccines (whatever that is supposed to mean now, in this world of mix-and-match vaccination that we have), our chances of not getting fxxked by COVID is still pretty good.

And just as I've said before, I still have quite a stockpile of masks lying around at home, and I am going to keep on wearing them at various indoor public spaces in the foreseeable future. I am not bothered by it.

[StylinRed]

Yeah but interesting one dose of pfizer only seems to provide 10% protection?

Phew for having my second dose already

[punkwax]

2nd vaccine i am amazed you guys did not feel fucked up "sick".


because i was energy less like i had H1N1.


just fucking destroyed sleeping all day.

Hits everyone differently. I know people who got super sick and I know others who were just fine, including my parents.

Got my 2nd Pfizer dose a couple of hours ago. Hoping I’ll be fine enough to have some friends by for UFC tomorrow.

[SkinnyPupp]

So IMO, as long as we've had the full 2 dose vaccines (whatever that is supposed to mean now, in this world of mix-and-match vaccination that we have), our chances of not getting fxxked by COVID is still pretty good.

Problem is, even if you don't get KO'd by the virus if you have the vaccine, you are still somewhat contagious and it will keep going and going until herd immunity is achieved.

And even then, if a country has herd immunity but open borders, they basically don't have herd immunity.

[SkinnyPupp]

It's the mask for sure.

Ever since having it off at the gym, my workouts have been measurably better.

The masks were also making me develop a bit of respiratory issues, I initially thought it was the weed :lol

Turns out it was in fact the masks at the gym, since ditching them, my lungs seem to be back to normal now.

I never wanted to be a Karen on the subject, but I was curious what type of detrimental effects the masks would create to one's lungs, it seems like that particular idea was pretty much stamped down during COVID, and likely fairly so.

But to say "masks don't inhibit lung function whatsoever" was total garbage, IMHO.
I don't think it's possible for quality masks to have any effect on your breathing while you're not wearing one...

BTW I started going to the gym this week and we still have to wear masks full time indoors (despite next to zero local infection per week) and it FUCKING SUCKS. People sneak their masks down occasionally and the gym doesn't seem to care though. At least you can "drink" after a set and catch your breath, but forget doing anything high reps. Especially since I got incredibly out of shape.

[Hondaracer]

https://i.imgur.com/DKyWfJe.jpg

[68style]

Aiyee… troll mode activated

[MarkyMark]

If the Delta variant really is going to be the motherfucker everyone says it is all we have to do is watch what happens in the US because they're pretty much back to normal now. It's literally a crystal ball into what would happen if sold out arenas and no masks was a thing, with less of a vaccination rate to boot.

[twitchyzero]

political science of trudeau goes something like this:

75% 1st dose 25% 2nd dose
how about 75% 2nd dose
2nd dose gotta be up in the 80's

yeah but fully-vaccinated can be asymptomatic doe
in the coming weeks 2x (already used those exact same words weeks ago)
gonna be a while (why thank you for the non-quantitative plan)

i'd love to speak to the team consulting this guy

[JDMDreams]

Spread your cheeks by sept

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/coronavirus-covid19-canada-world-july9-2021-1.6095951

In the Americas, U.S. health officials say vaccinated teachers and students don't need to wear masks inside school buildings. The guidance, announced Friday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, generally leaves it to local officials to figure out how to ensure the unvaccinated are using precautions while letting those who are fully protected go mask-free. :heckno:

In Europe, France's health minister on Friday said the more contagious delta variant of the coronavirus will probably account for a majority of new COVID-19 cases in the country, starting this weekend. :accepted:

Olivier Veran said the variant now represents nearly 50 per cent of new infections. He has said that a fourth wave of COVID-19 could hit France as early as the end of July and is urging as many people as possible to get vaccinated.

If the Delta variant really is going to be the motherfucker everyone says it is all we have to do is watch what happens in the US because they're pretty much back to normal now. It's literally a crystal ball into what would happen if sold out arenas and no masks was a thing, with less of a vaccination rate to boot.

[westopher]

https://apple.news/At6dJL5M8S9ynuYb3d7b_AA
This is a good article (not fear mongering, not panicking, but warns of complacency.)
At this point there is going to be a lot of personal responsibility, which is a scary prospect being that we know how stupid some people can be. At this point if you are refusing the vaccine, or refusing to cut out social contact as the caveat to being unvaccinated, you are personally responsible for this pandemic having the chance to continue.
Basically, you’re a drain on society, by choice.

[Hondaracer]

At this point there is nothing else fully vaccinated people should be expected to do. We all did our part.

If the govt. is worried about unvaccinated people being the catalyst to prolonging the pandemic then start enforcing vaccine passports for non-essential activities. It’s pretty simple

Guaranteed there’s gonna be some bullshit campaign by the govt. at all levels to “tell your unvaccinated friends and family to do the right thing!!”

It’s no one else’s job to try and convince morons to get vaccinated anymore. Your move Trudeau.

[westopher]

Unless the governments make it mandatory, what else can they do? You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink.
I agree vaccinated people have done their part and there’s nothing really left to do. You can’t blame Trudeau at this point though when you’d have absolutely shit your pants if you were told that vaccination was mandatory, or at the prospect of vaccination passports trampling on peoples rights. Not everything gets to be trudeau’s fault if you’d blame him for either option chosen to a given question.

[GLOW]

got my 2nd of that funky cold moderna, convention centre was quick 'n easy.
5g reception up to full bars and intense desire to buy microsoft products.

[JSALES]

My cousin got his second dose of moderna, same as his first dose. The symptoms he had were fever and twitching uncontrollably for some reason 8-10 hours after the second dose

[chipmunk604]

I got my 2nd dose of pfizer (same as D1) last evening and I woke up very sluggish - just didn't feel like getting up. The chills kicked in later in the afternoon. Arm is also sore af, I will probably pop a Tylenol and go to bed as soon as ufc is over. Zzzzzzz

[Alpine]

Speaking of Delta, Whatever happened to the India variant? I remember that was making the rounds .... what was the result of that?

[Presto]

Speaking of Delta, Whatever happened to the India variant? I remember that was making the rounds .... what was the result of that?

The Delta variant is the Indian variant, IIRC.

[320icar]

The Delta variant is the Indian variant, IIRC.

Why do you think they called it the delta variant :awwyeah:

[MG1]

Everybody on RS so learned when it comes to the Greek “alpha”bet.

[JDMDreams]

Here's the results, Pfizer x2 face swollen, fever?, Cold sweats, body ache. Two ppl mixing Pfizer and Modena, sore arm, body ache, everything hurts, cold sweat, fever.

[N.V.M.]

April 29th and July 7th. both Phizer.

[mikemhg]

Anyone see the videos being posted at the Calgary Stampede for the last few nights?

MASSIVE shows with tons of people packed together. It's like everything is back to normal in Alberta :lol

[inv4zn]

Anyone see the videos being posted at the Calgary Stampede for the last few nights?

MASSIVE shows with tons of people packed together. It's like everything is back to normal in Alberta :lol

Honestly at this point I really hope that in 2-3 weeks from now AB fares well. I mean they chose to be the guinea pigs in what happens when vaccines are introduced to a mass gathering, and it can serve as either positive evidence that shit is going to be alright, or see a huge spike and at least BC can learn from that as well.

2 weeks in I see more and more people with no masks in public places (people of all demographics). That said I still know there are assholes because there's a guy at my work who openly told me he's not getting vaccinated because he's young and healthy, and when July 1st came around he was the first to rip of his mask. People like that are why I still wear mine indoors.

[Hondaracer]

We’re more vaccinated than the states which has all Disney properties fully opened no masks, all the sporting events that have been happening for months in the states, full capacity, no masks.

I think they’ve been the guinea pigs for for quite some time now snd given the vaccine numbers have been seemingly fairly quite well.

[inv4zn]

We’re more vaccinated than the states which has all Disney properties fully opened no masks, all the sporting events that have been happening for months in the states, full capacity, no masks.

I think they’ve been the guinea pigs for for quite some time now snd given the vaccine numbers have been seemingly fairly quite well.

Actually US numbers are all trending up in both case count and hospitalizations, so that's not a country we want to follow by example...

[AzNightmare]

Had my shot on Wed. Didn't feel well on Thurs and parts of Friday.
Saturday, I was well enough to go out but still felt headaches come and go.
Pretty much recovered fully Sunday. Can still feel pain in my arm if I touch the injection spot, but no pain from mobility.

[Hondaracer]

Actually US numbers are all trending up in both case count and hospitalizations, so that's not a country we want to follow by example...

That’s what will happen as you re-open. You can’t stay in this state forever.

If the US isn’t an example to lean on then look to the euro championship, European countries opening completely for tourism etc.

They don’t just allow things like stampede to happen and cross their fingers.

[inv4zn]

That’s what will happen as you re-open. You can’t stay in this state forever.

If the US isn’t an example to lean on then look to the euro championship, European countries opening completely for tourism etc.

They don’t just allow things like stampede to happen and cross their fingers.

I meant that while we all know it's a calculated risk, i think there's a lot of crossing fingers happening. If numbers are still sustainable, then sure. But if you're seeing a sudden 400% spike then mayybe you should've eased into it a bit more.

[underscore]

They don’t just allow things like stampede to happen and cross their fingers.

The province that was nearly begging for field hospitals and now wants to cut nursing salaries? Oh yeah I'm sure they really thought it through.

[68style]

Yah I would never use Alberta as an example of how to handle literally anything these days… from pandemic mandates to economical ones to government decisions… they’re the very definition of a tire fire over there.

[Presto]

Getting 2nd shot @ Langley Events Centre today. Hope they still givin' out Pfizer!

[CRS]

There shouldn't be a shortage of shots at the moment.

Pfizer had a delay 2-3 weeks ago but it has been since resolved.

[snowball]

Getting 2nd shot @ Langley Events Centre today. Hope they still givin' out Pfizer!

Everyone I know that got shots in the last 2 weeks (about 10) had both options available.

[JDMDreams]

^^ nope not for Italian cultural center, on the weekend they only had moderna and saving the Pfizer for the kids

[Presto]

I just got my Pfizer shot, and my 5G is at full bars.
As others have stated, people were getting the shot they got first. Unless AZ, then it's Moderna.

[v_tec]

Got my 2nd shot of Pfizer last Wed. Not much side effects, just a minor headade and slept for 9 hours nonstop.

I have a friend that insist on Pfizer. Does anyone know any centres that will give Pfizer for first shot? A lot of centers will give u choice of P or M for your second dose. And I heard there was a center in Surrey that gave all 3 choices of A/P/M regardless if its your 1st or 2nd shot. But that was last week

Any new data points on being able to choose Pfizer for first shot? Want to get this fxxker vaccinated.

[Traum]

First dose people don't need to make appointments to get their vaccines. So one potential way this guy might be able to get his Pfizer is to just show up at any one of the vaccination centers, ask if they have Pfizer on hand. If they do, he gets jabbed. If it doesn't, he walks.

I wouldn't agree that is a good way to do it, esp when Moderna has been billed to be essentially as effective as Pfizer. Realistically, a person really shouldn't be picky between Moderna and Pfizer at this point.

[snowball]

Moderna and Pfizer are the same technology so I don't understand why someone would choose P over M except for the fact that one is a bigger brand name and because of "internet rumours"

edit: i got 2 doses of Moderna, feels great

[punkwax]

South Surrey Rec Centre had both P & M last Friday.

[Hondaracer]

WHO warns against mixing vaccines KEKW

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/who-warns-against-mixing-matching-covid-vaccines-2021-07-12/

love it.. love it..

[Vansterdam]

^^ nope not for Italian cultural center, on the weekend they only had moderna and saving the Pfizer for the kids

can anyone confirm this? helping my relative get his second shot this week at the Italian center and he got Pfizer the first time and wants the same shot, since that new WHO report saying u shouldn't mix shots

if they dont offer it to him, can he refuse and just try the same spot another day or try a different place?

[68style]

^ Refuse to help you with that avatar

[inv4zn]

WHO warns against mixing vaccines KEKW

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/who-warns-against-mixing-matching-covid-vaccines-2021-07-12/

love it.. love it..

Did you read the article lol


Its Strategic Advisory Group of Experts on vaccines in June said the Pfizer vaccine could be used as a second dose after an initial dose of AstraZeneca, if the latter is not available.

It should be public health agencies who make decisions, based on available data, and not individuals, the WHO added.


Also it's a bit misleading, the WHO is calling the TREND dangerous, not the actual mixing of vaccines.

[Traum]

WHO warns against mixing vaccines KEKW

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/who-warns-against-mixing-matching-covid-vaccines-2021-07-12/

love it.. love it..
Do people still believe the bullshxt that WHO spews out? In particular, the garbage coming from this Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus dude?

After WHO and Tedros' massive efforts to repeatedly and continually cover up for China during the start of the pandemic, their credibility -- and esp Tedros' credibility -- have totally gone down the toilet. It doesn't mean we should specifically go against their recommendations -- it just means they no longer have any credibility, and we need to rely on our own government agencies to examine and verify the available data to determine what is the most appropriate course of action to take.

[JDMDreams]

^ yes our own government agencies that says face masks shouldn't be mandatory and we should have vaccines 8 weeks apart when the manufacturer recommended 4

[Hondaracer]

Lol.. I don’t disagree but this thread has had so much flip flopping from the beggining

People had their panties in a bunch when trump said basically fuck the WHO we’re pulling out, everyone was all over that saying what an idiot bla bla bla

Now everyone Against the WHO and saying you can’t trust them etc.

All I know is I’m glad I got two of the same shots, and I would have walked otherwise.

[stewie]

All I know is I’m glad I got two of the same shots, and I would have walked otherwise.

Got my 2nd at Langley Events Center on the weekend and outside the sign says todays vaccine is Moderna. Wasn't thrilled at that but whatever, it is what it is. Show the girl the card of my first vacc. shot, she gives me the form to fill out and then I stand in line. There were quite a few people waiting zig zagging back and forth. After 10 minutes another girl sees me and tells me that I have a yellow form filled out which is for people getting their 2nd shot who had Pfizer the first time so I should be in the Pfizer line up. What the hell... thanks for telling me there's a separate line up, a line containing 4 people. Was a bit surprised to see how many people were waiting just to get a first dose.

[Hondaracer]

That was the same at Fortius, they asked at the front before ID which shot you had first, if you got Moderna you got a yellow slip and went into a different line

[Sw0op]

can anyone confirm this? helping my relative get his second shot this week at the Italian center and he got Pfizer the first time and wants the same shot, since that new WHO report saying u shouldn't mix shots

if they dont offer it to him, can he refuse and just try the same spot another day or try a different place?

no they were giving out pfizer/moderna last week unless you're just doing drop in then its only moderna they will be offering you

[v_tec]

First dose people don't need to make appointments to get their vaccines. So one potential way this guy might be able to get his Pfizer is to just show up at any one of the vaccination centers, ask if they have Pfizer on hand. If they do, he gets jabbed. If it doesn't, he walks.

The centre I went to get mines had both P+M, but will only give P if you're there for 2nd shot. If you're there for drop-in, but getting your #2 shot, they have no problem offering Prfzer too. But they were strict - if you're there for #1 regardless if you had an appointment or not, you're only getting Moderna. That's why every centre is a little different and totally up to how the supervisor runs it.

I wouldn't agree that is a good way to do it, esp when Moderna has been billed to be essentially as effective as Pfizer. Realistically, a person really shouldn't be picky between Moderna and Pfizer at this point.
I agree and gave up agruing with him. Least I can do is maybe point him to a centre that's more lenient and flexible and get his ass vaccinated.
:heckno:
1.5mil dose of Moderna arrived last Fri, but we're also getting another 1.4mil dose of P in the next 7-10 days. So hopefully that would help soon.