[SumAznGuy]

^ desperate times calls for desperate measures.

Problem is their bark has no bite.
The government has said they can implement those fines but as of right now, no one has to pay the fines.
We've jokingly said charge $10 per head for 100 ppl and that goes a long ways to covering the fine for hosting the house party.

Look at the travel restrictions. It's recommended not to travel. Didn't someone here plan to go to Mexico in March, I believe they said that back in Dec.

Plus like what others have said, the gov says one thing then its something different the next day. No proof or facts and are just making it up as they go along.

[Ch28]

If they started setting up fucking road blocks that’s when I start having house parties. Fuck that noise.

This is the type of mentality that has allowed this shit to persist for over a year.

"The government isn't doing enough!"

"The government is doing too much!!"

Everyone needs to think about that for a second and decide where they lie in all of this.

[MarkyMark]

Let's just shut everything down, and the people who WFH can have their wages garnished and spread out evenly among everyone who can't so we're actually all in this together.

[Hondaracer]

This is the type of mentality that has allowed this shit to persist for over a year.

"The government isn't doing enough!"

"The government is doing too much!!"

Everyone needs to think about that for a second and decide where they lie in all of this.

When the govt. is setting up road blocks to prevent you from going to properties you own. That’s when you can start making the Nazi comparison.

But hey, my Rec got broken into and destroyed but ya know, better not drive that 3 hours because I may come in contact with those 0.0025 people with covid.

Just willingly giving up rights and freedoms to a government who’s basically just throwing shit on the wall to see what sticks? No thanks.

It’s not a conspiracy theory or ignorance to not want to give a mile every time the govt. asks for an inch when they clearly have no clue what to do anymore.

If Turd had paid the price to secure vaccines early on, we wouldn’t be in this boat. The way money has just been squandered this entire pandemic, you should have been prepared to pay any cost to get the most vaccines as quickly as possible.

The longer it goes, not only goes the pandemic get worse, the faith in vaccines also diminishes

Govt. at all levels take huge responsibility in the way this has played out. Make no mistake.

[Ch28]

When the govt. is setting up road blocks to prevent you from going to properties you own. That’s when you can start making the Nazi comparison.

But hey, my Rec got broken into and destroyed but ya know, better not drive that 3 hours because I may come in contact with those 0.0025 people with covid.

Just willingly giving up rights and freedoms to a government who’s basically just throwing shit on the wall to see what sticks? No thanks.

I'm not advocating for any one solution but all I'm saying is that everyone is always on the government's ass for not enforcing the rules and "doing their part" but when someone brings up a hardline idea then it gets absolutely skewered cause 'mah freedums!"

Nowhere in your post did you mention anything about "going to properties you own" or your "rec got broken into and destroyed"

If they started setting up fucking road blocks that’s when I start having house parties. Fuck that noise.

I'm not sure if you're blind, daft or just needlessly venting.

[Hondaracer]

If they actually released any sort of data to back up their claims, that would go a long way to reassuring the public as opposed to these hasty measures implemented with zero background information

[JDMDreams]

^ because Canadians are polite, and care about the world so we let them get vaccinated first.

[Ch28]

https://twitter.com/jjhorgan/status/1377006957765140481

[Great68]

Let's just shut everything down, and the people who WFH can have their wages garnished and spread out evenly among everyone who can't so we're actually all in this together.

So, like Taxes?

[MarkyMark]

So, like Taxes?

Clearly "taxes" aren't balancing things out for the group of people who are getting fucked compared to the group who's not.

[The Producer]

actually WFH's are probably going to get a tax break - which is crazy.

https://financialpost.com/moneywise/working-from-home-this-year-heres-how-to-get-a-tax-break

there was a fringe politician that suggested a surcharge, but i can't find it.

https://www.wealthprofessional.ca/news/industry-news/is-working-from-home-a-privilege-that-should-be-taxed/335176

[Hakkaboy]

So much hate for people currently WFH.

I wonder if the people who are complaining now were previously thinking how they would never want to work in an office, pity or laugh at those who do and think how much better their job or industry were before the pandemic hit?

[The Producer]

bro, i don't hate anybody. I don't pity or laugh any anybody either.

there are people putting their health on the line to keep their careers and communities going.

there are people who got sent home last year, who simply aren't facing health, or financial hardships.

both those groups of people want to talk about how tough the last year has been. the second group, for better or for worse have not had it as tough as the first group.

i guess i'm just tired of hearing about how challenging it is to be stuck at home, or how brutal it is that the gym is closed or some shit.

i apologize if I have come across as condescending towards office workers. I have several folks that fit that description in my life. I guess I am a little jealous too. I can promise you though if I was the one at home I would be keeping my head down and my opinions to myself, especially around people that i know are getting kicked in the gut already.

These business closures are a raw subject, and it's possible that it's unrelatable for folks that simply aren't affected by it.

[underscore]

I must've missed where everyone who is WFH hasn't taken any financial hit. Our household income has been dropping for 10 months now and is currently about 35% of what it was a year ago. Currently on track for me to be unemployed and down to 15% within the next 4. Just because someone's not getting fucked in the exact same way as you don't mean they're they cause of your problems or that they aren't getting fucked as well.

[pastarocket]

bro, i don't hate anybody. I don't pity or laugh any anybody either.

there are people putting their health on the line to keep their careers and communities going.

there are people who got sent home last year, who simply aren't facing health, or financial hardships.

both those groups of people want to talk about how tough the last year has been. the second group, for better or for worse have not had it as tough as the first group.

i guess i'm just tired of hearing about how challenging it is to be stuck at home, or how brutal it is that the gym is closed or some shit.

i apologize if I have come across as condescending towards office workers. I have several folks that fit that description in my life. I guess I am a little jealous too. I can promise you though if I was the one at home I would be keeping my head down and my opinions to myself, especially around people that i know are getting kicked in the gut already.

These business closures are a raw subject, and it's possible that it's unrelatable for folks that simply aren't affected by it.


RS is a good place, a safe place to just let it out. I think many people are just tired of Covid now. Covid fatigue. The impact of this pandemic on people's mental health is HUGE.

I go to RS to read about what peeps are saying on this thread. For me, this is a safe haven compared to the Internet trolls that spew their negativity on the other platforms during this cancel culture that we live in.

This pandemic has been tough on me mentally because of all the negativity we see happening now. -dark dreams, angry thoughts, venting about things when calling friends or chatting with friends online etc.

I am confident that this pandemic is gonna end sooner or later.

[The Producer]

I must've missed where everyone who is WFH hasn't taken any financial hit. Our household income has been dropping for 10 months now and is currently about 35% of what it was a year ago. Currently on track for me to be unemployed and down to 15% within the next 4. Just because someone's not getting fucked in the exact same way as you don't mean they're they cause of your problems or that they aren't getting fucked as well.

that's a tough break - and an important consideration that I have not made.

i apologize if I have offended you.

[SkinnyPupp]

this isn't about grocery stores vs restaurants. obviously one is essential and one is not. the point is that one industry is getting used and manipulated by the government as a means of communication and control of the masses. I don't think any restaurant owners, or the 10's of 1000s of restaurant workers signed up to be the carrot on the stick. all along we've had a little line let out, then some taken back, then a little more out, and now within sight of the finish line we're being reigned in hard one more time.

we're not doing what we're told by mom and dad, so once again they are taking away our favourite toys. the easiest and most direct way to do that, that has the greatest impact on the segment of the population they want to correct the behaviour of, is to shut down the restaurant industry. Everyone either is in it, directly knows people that are in it, or frequent it. Horgan literally told us there would be consequences for bad behaviour on friday and here we are on monday, getting lectured and ultimately grounded.

my issue is, and always has been, that they are disingenuous about it. Show me the data, show me what specifically you hope to accomplish here. Stop talking with your hands and discussing "finding a balance". True balance and fairness would be to take the legs out from under a different industry this time to get the message across, instead of continually wiping out hospitality. Trouble is I can't think of any others that would work almost universally.

My final plea. I feel like I've done this every few months. Pleas stop only thinking about "the numbers" and start having some fucking compassion for people who's lives get thrown upside down every time this happens. Anybody anywhere that's glad they've closed the restaurants and the mountains and any other employer, are the selfish ones in the province. Your fellow citizens are getting screwed, and it's not right.
I get the analogy, but I don't think it works. If you look at the places that have been successful with covid, strict travel & mandatory quarantine is the #1 most effective thing, and strict rules for restaurants is the #2 thing. It's not a 'carrot on a stick' or "punishment for millennials". Having groups of people indoors without masks is what allows this to spread, so that means restaurants, because everywhere else people can keep masks on. Add in alcohol and, well it's like adding it to a fire.

It really sucks for people in that industry, but that's how it is. Covid fucked you and the travel industry harder than anyone else.

However I think shutting them down completely is not the right thing to do. Seriously, just copy what the successful countries are doing. Limit how many people at a table, limit opening times, limit total capacity. Some places have closed alcohol-only establishments. Have mandatory tracing check-in to be able to dine. Enforce this strictly.

Do this for 6 months and it won't be a problem. I guess it might be late for that now, unfortunately.

[Teriyaki]

^ Agreed. It's too late with the variants in play now. We needed to clamp down before the aggressive variants took hold of the community spread. Easy to look back at it now and say "we should have...this..." though. I'm sure if they forced the the sort of restrictions that worked elsewhere as proposed with a heavy hand people would have just a bad of a negative reaction saying "well, prove transmission is in restaurants, there are no variants here yet, Nazis"

[Hondaracer]

You know what beats variants? Vaccines.

[westopher]

Not if we don’t give them to anyone though.

[Teriyaki]

You know what beats variants? Vaccines.

Also correct. If only we had a magic wand to vaccinate everyone right? Put it in the water!:alonehappy:

[twitchyzero]

dr henry acknowledged the feedback from shutting down restaurants without notice from new years eve

then goes and does exactly that again less than 3 months later...who wouldn't be fuming

how do you go from allowing worship gathering then just mere days later take it back? the variants community spread didn't just start happening last week. that's really not helping with trust in the health orders and 'doing our part'

[StylinRed]

Honestly it made no sense why they kept announcing churches would be open again, even the increased group size for hanging out outdoors was stupid bcuz numbers were already consistently high and rising then

Everything they're doing doesn't make sense though, and on top of not making sense it's been half assed

[The Producer]

55+ can start booking/getting a AZ jab tomorrow https://www.citynews1130.com/2021/03/30/astrazeneca-vaccine-british-columbia/

now we just need them to do it

hey boomers - go get a shot. "don't ruin it for the rest of us"

[Hondaracer]

So they basically jumped the que by 10 years with the AZ vaccine?

https://www.citynews1130.com/2021/03/30/astrazeneca-vaccine-british-columbia/

This feels like..ehh it’s kinda garbage but if you want it you can get it..lol

Edit* producer beat me to it.

So in theory..numbers should fall right off once the 50+ segment gets theirs

[westopher]

Throw an AstraZeneca shot in my fuckin peehole I don’t care. I’ll take the 1/100000 chance of a non fatal blood clot to get things back to somewhat normal. Come on NDP don’t ruin it for the rest of us.

[Hondaracer]

I wonder if they are available because people are turning it down?

[twitchyzero]

well they were earmarked for essential workers, most of whom are under 55
they have a very finite shelf life

[whitev70r]

US gave us 1.5M doses ... probably cuz they didn't want them ... great!

[ilovebacon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIKWhp2_eyM

I guess we need to be vaccinated to travel.

[hud 91gt]

^ don’t worry. No word on vaccination for “essential” airline crew. So I wouldn’t sweat it yet. Although
I wouldn’t be surprised if passengers got it first. Lol

[Coren]

https://globalnews.ca/news/7729920/restaurant-party-b-c-ski-resort

hosting shit like this is why we continue having stupid restrictions

yes i know they had a sale to clear out their inventory because of new restrictions

[The Producer]

vaccination passport required to post on revscene pls :pokerface:

[iwantaskyline]

dr henry acknowledged the feedback from shutting down restaurants without notice from new years eve

then goes and does exactly that again less than 3 months later...who wouldn't be fuming

how do you go from allowing worship gathering then just mere days later take it back? the variants community spread didn't just start happening last week. that's really not helping with trust in the health orders and 'doing our part'


So lets think for a moment and use some logic.

Let's say Bonnie gave out a notice that in two weeks restaurants must shut down for three weeks. What do you think would've happened? For that two week period droves of people are going to try to visit their favorite restaurants before things shut down.

[underscore]

that's a tough break - and an important consideration that I have not made.

i apologize if I have offended you.

No offense taken, it's been a stressful go the last bit so sorry if it came out that way. I just always find it weird that people point fingers at people that are more or less in the same situation and not at those who are actually screwing over all of us (more of a general sentiment, not specific to this).

[westopher]

So lets think for a moment and use some logic.

Let's say Bonnie gave out a notice that in two weeks restaurants must shut down for three weeks. What do you think would've happened? For that two week period droves of people are going to try to visit their favorite restaurants before things shut down.two weeks is different than 48 hours which is different than 11 hours.

[westopher]

No offense taken, it's been a stressful go the last bit so sorry if it came out that way. I just always find it weird that people point fingers at people that are more or less in the same situation and not at those who are actually screwing over all of us (more of a general sentiment, not specific to this).
This is a pretty good example of those of us that are in the same boat, vs those that aren't. Theres those of us that give a shit about others, and those that don't. It only takes a few comments to see who belongs to which. People of all demographics have been fucked by all of this, and sometimes all it takes is a take from someone who’s not in the same position as us to think, “oh man this hit someone else a way I didn’t understand” as opposed to trying to put blame on that person for our problems.

[StylinRed]

Ehhh who wants the AZ jab now... fuk dat

[twitchyzero]

So lets think for a moment and use some logic.

Let's say Bonnie gave out a notice that in two weeks restaurants must shut down for three weeks. What do you think would've happened? For that two week period droves of people are going to try to visit their favorite restaurants before things shut down.

we're not in the first several weeks of the pandemic anymore

decisions like this should have SOME consultation from the industry and find a compromise in a timely manner (48-72 hours?)

let's not kid ourselves these are not temporary...2 weeks turned into 5 months...30 day has turned into years, that's a lot of livelihoods gone and maybe never coming back

we didn't learn from wave 2 , so what different approach are they taking in wave 3?

[iwantaskyline]

we're not in the first several weeks of the pandemic anymore

decisions like this should have SOME consultation from the industry and find a compromise in a timely manner (48-72 hours?)

let's not kid ourselves these are not temporary...2 weeks turned into 5 months...30 day has turned into years, that's a lot of livelihoods gone and maybe never coming back

we didn't learn from wave 2 , so what different approach are they taking in wave 3?

I'm not going to argue if 48-72 hours would've made anyone happier. Point is giving any type of extended notice is doing more harm than good - that rush of people going to restaurants before restrictions will probably delay the lifting of restrictions.

Not temporary? Huh? You could've said that last year but that doesn't really make sense right now. We have 3 approved vaccines with millions of shipments coming by summer's end. The end is in sight.

I feel for the restaurant industry I really do. I support them as much as possible with takeout and have even dined in the last few months. Each time I dine in though there's numerous groups from different households eating at tables of 6. The only exception was Saku on Broadway and Octopus Garden, mostly tables of 2 setup.

[westopher]

I'll go back to what I said. You just don't get it. I also don't get what you have to deal with so I'll try and keep an open mind. Restaurants prep thousands of dollars worth of food 24-48 hours before they open based on projected sales. Thats means I ordered 5k worth of food instead of $1000. I scheduled 8 cooks instead of 3. I had to call 20 people to say they might not be able to pay their rent, mortgage, etc over the next bit. Those hours, days, etc. made a big fucking difference, again.

[StylinRed]

A heads up makes total sense for the industry (not to the public), that a close is on the table. Then when u announce a close, instead of being immediate, have it 2-3days from the day you announce it.

An immediate shutdown would make sense for a sudden outbreak/issue not a gradual one

It's how they do it elsewhere, like the UK/etc

And they do it that way just so businesses and ppl have time to prepare

Will it spur some to get out there for a last hurrah? Yes, but at least ppl won't be going bust from it

[JDMDreams]

:notbad: 30% of the US population has been vaccinated. And still ramping upFeelsBadMan

[danned]

https://i.redd.it/jlwq449yp7q61.jpg

[pastarocket]

Big White ski resort is terminating its lease with the owner of the Charley Victoria restaurant. The owner that let that huge party of Big White staff, now former staff, happen.
:lawl:

https://www.citynews1130.com/2021/03/31/big-white-restaurant-apology/

[Gumby]

This looks like a timely webinar:

Fact vs. Fiction: Countering the Spread of Misinformation on the COVID-19 Vaccines (https://www.alumni.ubc.ca/event/fact-vs-fiction-countering-the-spread-of-misinformation-on-the-covid-19-vaccines/), presented in partnership by UBC Faculty of Medicine and Faculty of Pharmaceutical Sciences

[Ch28]

A heads up makes total sense for the industry (not to the public), that a close is on the table. Then when u announce a close, instead of being immediate, have it 2-3days from the day you announce it.

An immediate shutdown would make sense for a sudden outbreak/issue not a gradual one

It's how they do it elsewhere, like the UK/etc

And they do it that way just so businesses and ppl have time to prepare

Will it spur some to get out there for a last hurrah? Yes, but at least ppl won't be going bust from it

It's still shocking how this government hasn't learned shit from the last time when they got a lot flack for suddenly closing restaurants down.

Everyone knows that restaurants have always operated on razor thin margins. Like westopher said, they order/prep food well in advance and to shut them all down without giving proper notice prior to a long weekend just seems stupid.

[edit] Greta Thunberg, Dr. Bonnie Henry to receive honorary degrees from UBC (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/greta-thunberg-bonnie-henry-ubc-honorary-degrees-1.5971079) :lol

[68style]

Even with 11 frickin hours notice there was a surge... my facebook news feed was filled with "LAST MEAL" posts that night

If it's gonna happen, might as well give the restaurants the break so they can push product out beforehand and offer some discounts or whatever to get rid of inventory/prep in advance.

[Ch28]

I remember there being a debate on how long it'd take to fund and create a domestic vaccine production facility awhile back.

Funding announced for new vaccine production facility in Toronto (https://www.citynews1130.com/2021/03/31/funding-new-vaccine-production-toronto/)

French pharmaceutical company Sanofi Pasteur will run the centre. It is investing $455 million into this project, which is also receiving $415 million from the federal government.

Meanwhile, the Ontario government is contributing $55 million.

The project is expected to create or maintain more than 1,200 jobs, including 165 high-skilled positions.

The facility, which will be located on the Connaught Laboratories site, will not be fully operational until 2026.

[Hondaracer]

Hard to believe things take so long to build..

Dunno if anyone is familiar with that Coquihala documentary but they basically planned, built, and opened the coquinala in somthing like 14 months. Cutting a 150km stretch through untouched mountains.

I know building a science facility like this and a highway is apples and oranges, but 5 years to build a building? :/ I guess it’s all planning and beauracy but still

[SkinnyPupp]

Even in China they're building an mRNA vaccine center, and they say there's not even a timeline for it yet. This must be some extremely high tech, sensitive stuff.

I can't imagine how much money BioNTech has invested in their nanolipid technology over the decades to get it working, but it sure has paid off now.

[The Producer]

mRNA tech is going to be able to treat so many diseases

watch anti-vaxxers beg for an mRNA shot if it could cure or treat a terminal cancer diagnosis for themselves or somebody they care about

[Gumby]

mRNA tech is going to be able to treat so many diseases

watch anti-vaxxers beg for an mRNA shot if it could cure or treat a terminal cancer diagnosis for themselves or somebody they care about
Doubt it, they’ll continue to eat a special diet or use some other unproven method to treat cancer...

[JDMDreams]

Apparently we're the worse in Canada right now, over 170 infections per million? Quebec is like 100 per million

[Teriyaki]

Doubt it, they’ll continue to eat a special diet or use some other unproven method to treat cancer...

Thoughts and Prayers. It's cheap, affordable, and seemingly works for all sorts of illnesses, disasters, shootings, bombings. Who needs science.

[JDMDreams]

^^ human rights and freedom also works for Coronas, :ahwow: we're ahead of schedule 1013 before Easter. Let's see how much more incompetence there will be. In any company they will be long fired for this amount of fuck up

[SkinnyPupp]

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1377384749769973762

[Hondaracer]

So any indigenous person over 18 can now get vaccinated within the “age” bracket ie. Pfizer or Moderna, and the news1130 article says you don’t have to prove status...

Here I come as I identify as a trans-Métis person for a day..

[JDMDreams]

^ isn't this discrimination? So only natives gets it now? I thought it's Asians, black, all lives matter:accepted:

[SkinnyPupp]

They prioritize the highest risk groups. First senior citizens, frontline workers, etc.

[whitev70r]

Damn ... all those anti-maskers were right. Sh*t like this does not infuse confidence in people. AZ side effects serious enough for Cdn government to take significant adjustments. And now incompetent factories freestylin with the formula.

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1377384749769973762

[iwantaskyline]

Broke the daily record for covid cases today. Perhaps the government saw some data which led to their abrupt closing of restaurants. Just thinking.

[SkinnyPupp]

https://twitter.com/sid8998/status/1377613261533814785

[CivicBlues]

So any indigenous person over 18 can now get vaccinated within the “age” bracket ie. Pfizer or Moderna, and the news1130 article says you don’t have to prove status...

Here I come as I identify as a trans-Métis person for a day..

LOL it's gonna be so easy for white people to scam and try to pass as metis/indigenous. Gonna take some convincing for Asians named Johnny Tran to pass for one even though we "look" closer to them.

[JDMDreams]

I wonder when we're finally gonna cave in and shut down. We're doing worse than Ontario and it's expected that they are gonna announce a full lock down.

[Liquid_o2]

Ontario announced a full lock down today. I believe it starts Saturday. Similar to BC.

[The Producer]

I wonder when we're finally gonna cave in and shut down. We're doing worse than Ontario and it's expected that they are gonna announce a full lock down.

interesting read (ya I know Yahoo sucks, but some good points are made)

Why a COVID-19 lockdown alone in Ontario won't help: ‘Massive source of transmission’ is being missed, experts say

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/covid19-harm-messaging-vaccine-essential-workers-ontario-canada-sick-leave-224251891.html

[pastarocket]

Yay, my parents got their first vaccine shot today. Pfizer.

No lineups at the Italian Cultural Centre in east Van this morning.

[Ch28]

https://twitter.com/richardzussman/status/1377690272088256513

"This was done after consultation with industry and assessing risk of spread"

More like this was done after the backlash they received from not issuing any notice for the hospitality industry.

Like others have said...making it up as they go along :lol

[Hondaracer]

So places where I can just suck back booze, cool, makes sense.

[yray]

parents got covid, sat across the able and ate with them, did not get covid

I got lucky...

[punkwax]

parents got covid, sat across the able and ate with them, did not get covid

I got lucky...

Has it been 14 days? You might not be in the clear just yet..

[CivicBlues]

parents got covid, sat across the able and ate with them, did not get covid

I got lucky...

indoors or outdoors? Where did they get it?

Sorry to hear that btw, hope they have a quick recovery.

[Traum]

Ugh... Sorry to hear that your parents got the bug. I hope they are doing OK.

[yray]

Ate indoors, dad was across from me

dad was in the hospital for a 3 weeks, so I would've showed symptoms a while back.

Hospital didn't have enough icu beds so he was in the ER isolation room for 30 hours before icu

He actually went in to the icu january 2020 with double pneumonia with ARDS where he was intubated for 2 weeks, spent 4 weeks total in ICU. He said this experience is quite a bit different from last time, no antibiotics, just blood thinners. Doctors just looking at stats to decide intubation rather than actually talking to the patient. He had to refuse intubation a few times as his condition looked worse at night due to sleep apnea.

He was released Wednesday and was already washing his car so hopefully things are better :lawl: He did lose 30lbs body weight.

Be careful everyone :)

[westopher]

Fucking hell man, so sorry to hear they had to go through that. How was your mom through it? Happy to hear your dad is on the mend and able to do what life is all about again (washing cars)

[yray]

Fucking hell man, so sorry to hear they had to go through that. How was your mom through it? Happy to hear your dad is on the mend and able to do what life is all about again (washing cars)

mom was okay, just flu symptoms

thank you all for the kind words :)

[Obsideon]

I'll go back to what I said. You just don't get it. I also don't get what you have to deal with so I'll try and keep an open mind. Restaurants prep thousands of dollars worth of food 24-48 hours before they open based on projected sales. Thats means I ordered 5k worth of food instead of $1000. I scheduled 8 cooks instead of 3. I had to call 20 people to say they might not be able to pay their rent, mortgage, etc over the next bit. Those hours, days, etc. made a big fucking difference, again.

We are in the same boat for sure lol...
Our sales were just starting to slowly climb up the hill and then we get kicked off the cliff ... all our hundreds of fresh oysters, fish, etc ...
I know it's going to be tough for a few of my young international staff who are literally living cheque to cheque to cover rent. I tried my best to keep them on some shifts but I can't be just giving away money either...

[EvoFire]

We are in the same boat for sure lol...
Our sales were just starting to slowly climb up the hill and then we get kicked off the cliff ... all our hundreds of fresh oysters, fish, etc ...
I know it's going to be tough for a few of my young international staff who are literally living cheque to cheque to cover rent. I tried my best to keep them on some shifts but I can't be just giving away money either...

If you need to offload some oysters........


All jokes aside, the vaccine has been a dinner table topic for the two of us quite often.
In my narrow sight of world, the process where we are vaccinating remote communities first is a very Canadian thing to do, where we are compassionate of every life. Those places do not have the medical capacity to handle an outbreak therefore we vaccinate them first to ensure they don't have mass casualties. Obviously that takes more time to and resources to do.

However my statistics mind tells me we should be vaccinating the big cities first. These big cities are how people are going to be contracting and bringing the virus to the small communities, if the big cities have immunity first and we stop the spread, then the small communities would have a smaller chance of having the virus brought in by accident. Vaccinating large urban centers first also means a much quicker roll out as people are more concentrated and have the right facilities and equipment to get it done; and things can go back to "normal" quicker, at the possible expense of people dying in remote communities.


Who am I kidding though... we can't even get frontline workers vaccinated at an efficient rate....

[Teriyaki]

^ well if you need help offloading some delicious food you know where to find help!

On a serious note, that's awfully thoughtful of you to know the international staff have it real tough.
I was on the flipside, working internationally and with covid the absolute first jobs to go were all the foreign staff. Double kicker is that most people's visas were tied to employment and they'd have to uproot and leave, absolutely devastating to so many families.

[Hondaracer]

Damn Yray, considering he had previously had pneumonia it’s lucky he pulled through with covid. All the best to him and your family

[ilovebacon]

fresh oysters eh.

[SkinnyPupp]

parents got covid, sat across the able and ate with them, did not get covid

I got lucky...
If you were here, you would be in a government quarantine facility for 2 weeks starting from when they tested positive. That's the thing most people are scared of lol... The place is kind of like prison apparently

[Gumby]

The various restrictions really suck, but I hope people don’t have to go through what yray went through before taking the restrictions seriously. (Note: I am not saying that yray didn’t take the restrictions seriously)

[StylinRed]

Ontario is closing for a month starting Saturday, they had 2557 cases in a day and supposedly that was the trigger

They've got 3X our population and just 2.5x the cases

[6793026]

holy F the new strains ...crazy.

Gf's Boss got COVID 2 months ago. 31 people in a warehouse / production plant.
Got a call; even with the separators, and everything wiped down, good social distance.....
1 person got tested, everyone has to isolate due to the fact it's a P1 strain. EVERYONE. Not just close contact.

Few days later... guss how many people got tested positive?
100% EVERYONE IN THE OFFICE GOT the P1 variant... FALLKKKKKK
EVERYONE but the CEO / gf's boss cause he already got infected with COVID and recovered...
FALLKKK

[StylinRed]

I didn't know the Brazil variant was here, wtf, how?! isn't it a mashup of the British and South African strain?

[Hakkaboy]

holy F the new strains ...crazy.

Gf's Boss got COVID 2 months ago. 31 people in a warehouse / production plant.
Got a call; even with the separators, and everything wiped down, good social distance.....
1 person got tested, everyone has to isolate due to the fact it's a P1 strain. EVERYONE. Not just close contact.

Few days later... guss how many people got tested positive?
100% EVERYONE IN THE OFFICE GOT the P1 variant... FALLKKKKKK
EVERYONE but the CEO / gf's boss cause he already got infected with COVID and recovered...
FALLKKK

Were masks used as well? Or did they rely on seperators?

[Ch28]

holy F the new strains ...crazy.

Gf's Boss got COVID 2 months ago. 31 people in a warehouse / production plant.
Got a call; even with the separators, and everything wiped down, good social distance.....
1 person got tested, everyone has to isolate due to the fact it's a P1 strain. EVERYONE. Not just close contact.

Few days later... guss how many people got tested positive?
100% EVERYONE IN THE OFFICE GOT the P1 variant... FALLKKKKKK
EVERYONE but the CEO / gf's boss cause he already got infected with COVID and recovered...
FALLKKK

The CEO/gf's boss should also get tested because you can still get COVID again even if you've been infected once already.

[StylinRed]

Yeah just read up ab the p1 strain, it can reinfect

[Alpine]

holy F the new strains ...crazy.

Gf's Boss got COVID 2 months ago. 31 people in a warehouse / production plant.
Got a call; even with the separators, and everything wiped down, good social distance.....
1 person got tested, everyone has to isolate due to the fact it's a P1 strain. EVERYONE. Not just close contact.

Few days later... guss how many people got tested positive?
100% EVERYONE IN THE OFFICE GOT the P1 variant... FALLKKKKKK
EVERYONE but the CEO / gf's boss cause he already got infected with COVID and recovered...
FALLKKK

How severe were their symptoms, and how are they doing? (Looking for positives and hopefully the correlation between easier transmission + weaker strain...)

[Mikoyan]

I didn't know the Brazil variant was here, wtf, how?! isn't it a mashup of the British and South African strain?

BC officially from Health Canada as of April 1.

B.1.1.7 (UK) 2214
B.1.351 (S. Africa) 50
P.1 (Brazil) 379

https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/epidemiological-summary-covid-19-cases.html#VOC

[whitev70r]

Damn ... virus smarter than humans. Our race is effed.

[jing]

Received first dose of Pfizer this morning. No measurable side effects yet. Coquitlam Poirier site was efficient. Too bad it was a 20min drive when I live within walking distance to two other sites, lol.

[Mr.Money]

P.1 virus can do reinfection and the natural antibodies won't even take care of it a 2nd time as it neutralize antibodies from regular covid 19.


worst case scenario, vaccines could be redesigned and tweaked to be a better match - in a matter of weeks or months, if necessary.



we're in the beginning stages of this mutation, there can be more verison's of covid 19 in the future more resistant than before as its happening now.

[whitev70r]

Mother nature says to human beings, 'You want to pollute the world, kill the oceans, destroy rain forests? Hold my beer!'

[Obsideon]

Mother nature says to human beings, 'You want to pollute the world, kill the oceans, destroy rain forests? Hold my natural glacier water!'

Fixed.

[spoon.ek9]

I really, REALLY wish every single person who has read this thread could just for a moment walk past an ICU bed and see with their own eyes the suffering this virus has caused and is still causing.

Seeing video on the news, photos, etc really doesn't hit hard enough for a lot of people. Imagine for a moment that's your family member or someone you love with every fiber of your being. Someone you would die to protect. Then, have the realization that you are completely helpless in this moment because it's too late. They're already infected.

Recently, it's the young people as we all know. It's really quite devastating to see someone who is close to your age and is relatively healthy be incapacitated, intubated and completely at the will of a virus. I know we're all sick of this shit. It's been 12+ months but, it's a virus. Our feelings, frustrations, and fatigue mean nothing to it.

Please, do the best you can to protect yourself and others. And for the love of whatever god you believe in, get vaccinated once you can. Let's end this damn pandemic asap.

[SkinnyPupp]

I really, REALLY wish every single person who has read this thread could just for a moment walk past an ICU bed and see with their own eyes the suffering this virus has caused and is still causing.

Seeing video on the news, photos, etc really doesn't hit hard enough for a lot of people. Imagine for a moment that's your family member or someone you love with every fiber of your being. Someone you would die to protect. Then, have the realization that you are completely helpless in this moment because it's too late. They're already infected.

Recently, it's the young people as we all know. It's really quite devastating to see someone who is close to your age and is relatively healthy be incapacitated, intubated and completely at the will of a virus. I know we're all sick of this shit. It's been 12+ months but, it's a virus. Our feelings, frustrations, and fatigue mean nothing to it.

Please, do the best you can to protect yourself and others. And for the love of whatever god you believe in, get vaccinated once you can. Let's end this damn pandemic asap.
inb4 someone calls you a "cuck"

[iwantaskyline]

Apparently a restaurant called Gusto tried to defy the ban on inside dining and got a big fine today - might also lose their business license.

https://www.reddit.com/r/vancouver/comments/mizlt5/so_the_restaurant_that_refused_to_close_gusto_was/

Here's another Corduroy in Kits:

https://www.citynews1130.com/2021/04/02/kitsilano-restaurant-defies-ban/

[The Producer]

r/vancouver absolutely delighted that a business owner and more importantly an employer could be permanently shut down.

are these guys wrong? absolutely. you're never going to beat the government. whether it's an arbitrary decision to close a restaurant, but leave the home depot open or not.

is it disgusting to celebrate the destruction of somebody's hard earned livelihood? absolutely

people are fucked. every single person cheering for the misfortune of their fellow citizen needs a punch in the nose.

@spoon.ek9 - i agree with you. showing the consequences of getting this disease might be a more effective method of getting some of the hold outs to buy in to the vaccine. Like motorcycle school - people get the picture pretty quick when you start showing them pictures of skin grafts.

Still, when you can't even deliver them to your population it's not much of a leg to stand on. Not much point in arguing w the holdouts when we can't even get a jab ourselves.

[MarkyMark]

Let's just put up big posters of people dying in an ICU every time you walk into a Walmart or BestBuy the same way you look at a person riddled with cancer if you buy a pack of smokes. I guess that might be too real for people though and they'll get upset. I think shutting down restaurants is the happy medium where it looks like the government gives a shit, but people don't start to complain much either.

[Manic!]

Antimask idiots cause ferry to turn around. If I was on the ferry I would be pissed.

https://www.cheknews.ca/bc-ferries-sailing-forced-to-turn-around-due-to-belligerent-anti-masker-758929/

[is350]

just look at these people breaking the rules, no masks inside the dealer, no masks inside the car. Can they be fined please? There is literally vid evidence of the dealership owner disobeying the rules (or whoever that guy is working for the dealers)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwc6Lhq_3PI

[GLOW]

Antimask idiots cause ferry to turn around. If I was on the ferry I would be pissed.

https://www.cheknews.ca/bc-ferries-sailing-forced-to-turn-around-due-to-belligerent-anti-masker-758929/

i'm sure that ruined a lot of long weekends for some people

just look at these people breaking the rules, no masks inside the dealer, no masks inside the car. Can they be fined please? There is literally vid evidence of the dealership owner disobeying the rules (or whoever that guy is working for the dealers)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwc6Lhq_3PI

their advertisement worked...i now realize manscape has a 2-in-1 product...

[320icar]

just look at these people breaking the rules, no masks inside the dealer, no masks inside the car. Can they be fined please? There is literally vid evidence of the dealership owner disobeying the rules (or whoever that guy is working for the dealers)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwc6Lhq_3PI

Don’t they live in kelowna now? Can’t wait to rename it the kelownavirus again this summer lol.

Like I’ve said before in other posts. I’m sure these guys are nice in person, but garbage trash role models

[Ch28]

r/vancouver absolutely delighted that a business owner and more importantly an employer could be permanently shut down.

are these guys wrong? absolutely. you're never going to beat the government. whether it's an arbitrary decision to close a restaurant, but leave the home depot open or not.

is it disgusting to celebrate the destruction of somebody's hard earned livelihood? absolutely

people are fucked. every single person cheering for the misfortune of their fellow citizen needs a punch in the nose.

@spoon.ek9 - i agree with you. showing the consequences of getting this disease might be a more effective method of getting some of the hold outs to buy in to the vaccine. Like motorcycle school - people get the picture pretty quick when you start showing them pictures of skin grafts.

Still, when you can't even deliver them to your population it's not much of a leg to stand on. Not much point in arguing w the holdouts when we can't even get a jab ourselves.

The entire hospitality industry has been destroyed and many small business owners have been ruined because of this virus. I think most people are absolutely sympathetic to their cause.

People are happy that Federico Fuoco (Gusto) and Rebecca Matthews (Corduroy) got what's coming to them because they openly defied rules that other restaurant owners are obviously abiding by.

You don't see anyone going around being happy that westopher and Ebisu are getting destroyed because they're following the rules like everyone else should be doing. I'm not saying that the rules the government have in place are fair or even make sense, but we're all supposed to be following them and when people see others with a sense of entitlement that makes themselves feel they're above the law then that's when you have people wishing ill will towards them.

[RRxtar]

Don’t they live in kelowna now? Can’t wait to rename it the kelownavirus again this summer lol.

Like I’ve said before in other posts. I’m sure these guys are nice in person, but garbage trash role models
2000+ cases in the last 2 days. 1000+ of them in Fraser health, 140 in interior health.

Fraser health has consistently been 20% of the population and 50% of the cases
Interior health and island health 18% of the population 5-6% of cases


Hurr durr surreyvirus

[320icar]

2000+ cases in the last 2 days. 1000+ of them in Fraser health, 140 in interior health.

Fraser health has consistently been 20% of the population and 50% of the cases
Interior health and island health 18% of the population 5-6% of cases


Hurr durr surreyvirus

Ok.

No one rushes off to Surrey or chilliwack for vacation, if you comprehend what I mean

[Mikoyan]

Rumour has it it's a P1 outbreak with the Canucks.

[iwantaskyline]

https://twitter.com/dockevinmcleod/status/1378499216683593732?s=21

[Hondaracer]

ICU’s filling up, ehhh at least we’re ahead of Bangladesh

https://i.imgur.com/0PXTFyc.png

A year and a half later it’s no longer about “hey man, do the right thing!”

People don’t care anymore.

Not trying to be hardcore about it just telling it as I see it. I was dragged to Langley Costco yesterday and that was probably the first time where I’ve gone in somewhere and I was legit worried about my safety and tripping out about how busy it was. There were no even attempts at guidelines like 1 way lanes etc. At the willingdon location. It was so busy it was shoulder to shoulder claustrophobic.

https://i.imgur.com/Nl10kSR.jpg

Those are the numbers from last week. So since the pandemic has started 1250 people under the age of 50 have been hospitalized. Making up 0.0002 of BC’s population. I get it long term health effects etc but from what I’m seeing unless you’re directly effected by a case a lot of people are just not giving af. And I also see and hear many people who have had it that couldn’t care less about it or others

[68style]

Doing that population chart in millions of vaccines given is kinda stupid and manipulative of the data................ ie: we're just ahead of Bangladesh, but Bangladesh has a population of 163 million, so at 6 million vaccinated they've vaccinated 3.68% of their population... whereas at 6 million vaccinated in Canada we've done 16% of ours.

In fact, changing to percentages? China drops from 2nd place to way the fuck down the list at 9%, etc. etc.

I'm not going to sit here and do all the calculations, but re-do this chart based on % of population and I think you will find that Canada is easily in the top 10.

[320icar]

Not trying to be hardcore about it just telling it as I see it. I was dragged to Langley Costco yesterday and that was probably the first time where I’ve gone in somewhere and I was legit worried about my safety and tripping out about how busy it was. There were no even attempts at guidelines like 1 way lanes etc. At the willingdon location. It was so busy it was shoulder to shoulder claustrophobic.



Imagine working there 40+ hours a week throughout the entire epidemic, then listening to everyone who WFH complain that they can’t see a friend

[CharlesInCharge]

Dozens in Central Florida contract COVID-19 after being fully vaccinated
youtube.com/watch?v=JnmN2WrU8pE


Crooked Theory Explained in 7 minutes [My Incredible Opinion]
youtube.com/watch?v=_WXRh6T_ET8

The Smile Difference: Autism vs. Asperger Syndrome
youtube.com/watch?v=MdHorgRootc


starflower703

There was a Canadian doctor, Andrew Moulan, who postulated this same theory; but also thought it was injury to the occipital and spinal nerves in addition to a brain injury. Just when his theory started getting mainstream attention, he died in a very suspicious way. Why? Because he was sure these brain injuries were the result of vax injuries.

Dr. Andrew Moulden
https://educate-yourself.org/cn/All-Vaccines-Cause-Ischemia-(Impaired-Blood-Flow)-Which-Blocks-Oxygen-Delivery22jul15.shtml?fbclid=IwAR0BwdU7Y8oU7JwLhOW i8x6A6yFkBOUA6KmBz45l8w4QEUjNVxwWtT4hH6o#top

Video series
Vaccine Damages explained - Tolerance Lost - Vol 3 (http://www.executivereasoning.com/health/vac/tol_lost_v3.html?fbclid=IwAR3387RlLdpgvSgfWwVydfNv RDf_kps9gWFrdr6KJO_KiWpjo-RMPy5qTIA)
Vaccine Damages explained - Tolerance Lost - Vol 2 (http://www.executivereasoning.com/health/vac/tol_lost_v2.html?fbclid=IwAR0PaSCPIEAv4pM5oXkTHTUN kfkntiDU9TM1uutiRTXecEg-qfT8P2TmH_w)
Vaccine Damages explained - Tolerance Lost - Vol 1 (http://executivereasoning.com/health/vac/tol_lost_v1.html?fbclid=IwAR11nkv5_-cEsNw5BnxU4XEKbcccNfaWfbQYH5f9A83zbdSVBDvgetghDsg)

Just watched a random video of his... this can happen at an old age too, does Gulf Syndrome ring a bell?
youtu.be/C6rfyWUQ8zQ

[Manic!]

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Andrew_Moulden

Andrew Moulden (c. 1964-2013) was a Canadian quack who pushed an extreme form of anti-vaccine woo, claiming that vaccines as the causes of most illnesses and disabilities, including autism.

In addition to his anti-vaccine ideology (which is frequently too extreme even for other anti-vaxers) Andrew Moulden was a germ-theory denialist, a conspiracy crank, a 9/11 truther, a failed politician, and a snake-oil salesman offering an Internet-based magical procedure to uncover the true causes of everything from shaken-baby syndrome and Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS) to dementia and Alzheimer's disease.

Moulden claimed several academic degrees, including a medical degree, but he was not licensed to practice medicine anywhere. In fact, there were apparently restraining orders to keep him out of major medical conferences — according to him, anyway.[2]

[CharlesInCharge]

A 911 truther... guess he might be on to something.

every vaccination is damaging the ultra tiny capillaries of the cerebral vascular network, for example, by creating blockages into the tiny capillary tubules (due to the influx of large white blood cells, an immune response to the foreign antigens of vaccines) which prevents the oxygen-carrying red blood cells from getting through the fine capillary networks, thus causing oxygen starvation (ischemia) to affected brain cells, nerve cells, etc. This phenomenon is the very definition of a stroke. The more vaccinations, the more additive the damage.
Andrew Moulden would say the following is a result of a stroke in the brain due to vaccines the man had just taken, but 'the system' calls it Bells Palsy, a mysterious occurrence. Sounds like the latter is the quack.

26 Mar, 2021
Young Hong Kong man describes ordeal of facial paralysis after receiving Covid-19 vaccine
https://youtu.be/VbCPdW1rEZk

[SkinnyPupp]

The vaccines seem to have a chance to give people temporary Bell's Palsy (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00076-1/fulltext). They had 7 people get it in the trials (of 40,000 people), compared to 1 getting it in the placebo. Also 7 people in HK are reported to have gotten it, including this guy, out of around 460,000 people

Scary, but not a stroke. That idiot "doctor" has no reason to comment on a case he saw on youtube.

It's not a conspiracy, although the way it's been reported is misleading, as stated in the post I linked.

[CharlesInCharge]

So what was the process that caused this after people got the vaccine? A mysterious occurrence?

[SkinnyPupp]

Read the report I posted

Unless you think the Lancet isn't a good source... They don't have a whacky youtube channel after all

[whitev70r]

Why don't we just stay to our convictions. If you want the vaccine, get it. If you don't want it, don't get it, it's a free country. Stop trying to convince people one way or another on a frickin forum ... of which I am pretty sure the effective rate of conversion is like 0.000001%.

[CharlesInCharge]

Open up the Russian, Chinese and Iranian vaccines then.
Buddy Hong Kong could have stayed home for 2 weeks after getting Covid but now his brain is at risk of being retarded.

Read the report I posted

Unless you think the Lancet isn't a good source... They don't have a whacky youtube channel after allIts a long article, but the beginning says past vaccines used E. col bacteria toxin as a adjuvant... is that whats in the Covid vaccines too?

[SkinnyPupp]

Its a long article
Read it later then LUL

[CharlesInCharge]

After skimming through... "The SARS-CoV-2 vaccines do not contain an exogenous adjuvant"

So its a mysterious reason why peoples face look goofy after the vaccine.

[mikemhg]

I'm still blown away we're clocking this many infections at this point.

Clearly it's anecdotal on my end here, but everyone is wearing masks and distancing, sanitizer is spewing forth everywhere like my cock after weeks of no fapping, and I haven't seen a person sneeze or cough in public in almost a damn year here.

Has there been any deeper dives in terms of where these infections are happening? Public transit, offices/work locations, restaurants, stores, schools, etc.?

I've never seen any data to speak to this, and I'm genuinely curious.

You're telling me all these infections are from private gatherings within people's homes?

If this many people can keep getting infected with all these precautions in place, and with these variants adapting, will we ever truly rid ourselves of this virus? If not, what is the overall plan here?

[Manic!]

A 911 truther... guess he might be on to something.


Andrew Moulden would say the following is a result of a stroke in the brain due to vaccines the man had just taken, but 'the system' calls it Bells Palsy, a mysterious occurrence. Sounds like the latter is the quack.

26 Mar, 2021
Young Hong Kong man describes ordeal of facial paralysis after receiving Covid-19 vaccine
https://youtu.be/VbCPdW1rEZk

He could be faking it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xbXe2fyBp8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb8dCzaT21A

[BIC_BAWS]

CIC being CIC.. I'm very curious if he does have kids and if the kids are anything like CIC

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[GLOW]

the way the world is, we need CiC to be CiC...one of the little things to remind/anchor us to the old way of life

[Mr.Money]

it's epic level trolling.

he's stuck to such a script for years, just look at each sentence There always has to be an undercover story no matter what.

[CharlesInCharge]

He could be faking it.
That exposing video doesnt prove she was faking it... not sure which point made you believe in as she was getting treatment to rid of the heavy metals in her body.

There are other accounts online.

Tennessee Nurse Gets Bell’s Palsy After Taking “Vaccine” Paralyzed Face
youtube.com/watch?v=1b7HKgFYraU

NURSE WITH BELLS PALSY AFTER THE PFIZER JAB
youtube.com/watch?v=3ZtTDaTINnE

CIC being CIC.. I'm very curious if he does have kids and if the kids are anything like CIC My kids will be born in Iran, not a country with alarming, 'unexplained' autism, allergy, assburgers and adhd rates.

[iwantaskyline]

https://globalnews.ca/news/7738185/get-hout-health-inspectors-corduroy-restaurant-covid/

The owner of a Vancouver restaurant is vowing to continue defying a provincial health order banning indoor dining for three weeks, despite being served with an individual order to close.

Vancouver police said a liquor coordinator and provincial health officers attended Corduroy Restaurant on Cornwall Avenue, Saturday and issued a full closure order.

Asked about the apparent lack of enforcement, Health Minister Adrian Dix said action was being taken Sunday.

“I’m frustrated with the behaviour here,” he said. “No one misunderstands the rules.”

“We are enforcing that closure order, and it is being enforced right now, and it will be enforced.”

[is350]

^makes me furious seeing all the POS in that restaurant, no physical distancing, no rules in place whatsoever. I hope all of them get infected and die in hell.

[whitev70r]

I sympathize with the restaurant owners .... I don't necessarily agree with them opening indoor eating but I feel for them. For you and me, it's things we type and use all CAPS on a keyboard, but for them, it's their livelihood, their lifelong investment, their workers (like family) and could ruin them completely.

Only middle of the road is to innovate and do aggressive take out, do some promo's .... and hope you can tread water for another few months!

Oh ... and if you go with food delivery, then you get effed by UberEats, Fantuan, DoorDash, etc ... their ridiculously high rates. Tip restaurants well people!

[SkinnyPupp]

What sucks is that if people followed rules in the first place, and they had some better rules, restaurants could all be open right now just fine.

[nns]

The Gusto owner is saying how he feels restaurants are being unfairly targeted, and that other businesses like Costco, Walmart, and liquor stores are left to remain open.
My thoughts:
1) This is not an apples to apples comparison. Supermarkets and liquor stores don't have groups of people sitting closely together for an hour or more at a time, nor do stores have patrons in there for long durations without masks on. A restaurant table is a conducive environment for COVID to spread between people of the same party, and those around them.
2) Consider the demographics of the restaurant workers, not just the restaurant owners. Many restaurants employ younger people who aren't financially established or financially secure. That may mean that they feel compelled to work despite their reservations so that they can support themselves. Since they're not as financially secure, they likely live in a shared residence. If that line cook or waitress gets infected, it's absolutely plausible that they can infect others in their own household and circle.

The Corduroy dining room video from last night had me again thinking about the demographics of COVID conspiracy theorists. Why aren't there more stories about these conspiracy theorists getting COVID themselves? You'd think given their tendency to gather that they'd surely have infected either other more often. As the video shows, many of the restaurant guests are white. Often I notice those who speak out against lockdowns, and argue COVID is no real threat in the comments section on FB, are also white. One reason why they may not be getting sick themselves is because the demographics of these people appear, at least on the surface, to be older, who aren't considered essential workers, who do have jobs that afford them the privilege of working from home. Their likelihood of exposure is much less given that they're not spending 40 hours a week with others in a work environment. They aren't working in close proximity to others in a warehouse or processing plant.

I don't have any reputable facts to support this, just my personal observations and thoughts.

Regarding the owner of Corduroy, I say this not arrogantly, but instead regrettably: If her business cannot weather this 3 week lockdown, then her business equitably should not survive. Yes, it's not fair for her to lose her business and livelihood. I'm sure she spent a lot of personal expense to have gotten her to this point. I recognize that it wouldn't be an easy transition for her to stop suddenly being a restaurant owner, switch up careers, and then find something else that can replace her income. But that's looking at her on a personal level with a narrow lens. Expand that lens and perspective, and now she's hosting an environment which puts her own interests ahead of those in the greater whole. The greater whole meaning the 2nd and 3rd degrees of separation that go outward from each diner. The family members, friends, etc who don't subscribe to the same conspiracy theories, who are mindful of their health, but are at risk simply because they are invariably linked back to her restaurant and the choices she made.

Apologies if this sentiment has already been shared ad-nauseum in this thread, I don't stay current with every post. I just wanted to get these thoughts out of my mind, and I'm not claiming that it's gospel.

I do agree with the Gusto owner when he said more statistics should be published to help support the narrative that restaurants are truly conducive to infection. It wouldn't cure everyone's doubts, but it would certainly substantiate the claims either way.

[nns]

I found this article earlier when trying to find stories of former COVID conspiracy theorists. There aren't a lot available, but this offered an exceptional outlook and possible rationale about why people believe in conspiracies in the first place: https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2021/03/25/former-conspiracy-theorist-speaks-out.html

It's an interesting perspective I hadn't thought of myself.

[JSALES]

Does anyone know if food courts are still open for seating at the malls under the provincial health order? Because at the airport food court before security they got rid of all the chairs and closed off the tables but after security, restaurants and lounges are business as usual

[320icar]

Costco food court has been take out only since March 2020

[68style]

Does anyone know if food courts are still open for seating at the malls under the provincial health order? Because at the airport food court before security they got rid of all the chairs and closed off the tables but after security, restaurants and lounges are business as usual

Mall food courts do not have seating... at least Richmond Centre did not today

[Edison_Chen]

Yaohan’s food court chairs are flipped up or something.

[Ch28]

B.C.'s health minister says it's time to 'dig in' to obey COVID-19 safety rules as cases mount (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/b-c-s-health-minister-says-it-s-time-to-dig-in-to-obey-covid-19-safety-rules-as-cases-mount-1.5975494)

We’re a year into the pandemic where everyone that would be obeying the orders have been doing so for the last year and this clown is still telling British Columbians that we need to “dig in”. What a condescending fuck

Maybe try enforcing the fucking rules instead of continuously saying the same shit over and over and closing down the hospitality industry when it’s convenient for you to save face

[iwantaskyline]

B.C.'s health minister says it's time to 'dig in' to obey COVID-19 safety rules as cases mount (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/b-c-s-health-minister-says-it-s-time-to-dig-in-to-obey-covid-19-safety-rules-as-cases-mount-1.5975494)

We’re a year into the pandemic where everyone that would be obeying the orders have been doing so for the last year and this clown is still telling British Columbians that we need to “dig in”. What a condescending fuck

Maybe try enforcing the fucking rules instead of continuously saying the same shit over and over and closing down the hospitality industry when it’s convenient for you to save face

How should they enforce people gathering with others in homes? Italy/Australia style with road blocks that are check points? Pretty sure no one would be happy with that.

[westopher]

They could start by not sending police out to defend anti mask protests which are in violation of public gathering rules. They can start by making people actually pay the fines they are giving. They can start by not handing out warning tickets for people found in non compliance of the rules for multiple infractions including hosting parties, etc. and actually giving them REAL fines before the 3rd and 4th infractions.
The approach has been cowardly. Where’s that ton of bricks hulk Horgan?

[Mikoyan]

Corduroy apparently has some sovereign citizen/Freeman screed posted on their door too. I'm not surprised there's overlap between the anti lockdown/masker crowd.

[EmperorIS]

https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=3954699464551141&id=100000333788162

[Manic!]

Corduroy apparently has some sovereign citizen/Freeman screed posted on their door too. I'm not surprised there's overlap between the anti lockdown/masker crowd.

https://i.redd.it/vo5tr2brf7r61.jpg

[SkinnyPupp]

Of course she's one of those

This poor soul happened to have been born in Canada, where she has to abide by the laws of the country (no, not everyone gets to set their own laws lol)

Instead of being glad that her birth didn't take place somewhere where she actually has no rights, she does this.

People

[underscore]

Why aren't there more stories about these conspiracy theorists getting COVID themselves?

You think they'd admit it, or get tested?

[yray]

You think they'd admit it, or get tested?

cause all they do is stay at home and start bullshit

[westopher]

Lol yep. Didn’t take Covid for them to have absolutely no social interaction outside of Reddit.

[GLOW]

antimaskers trespassing on private establishments starting shit starting shit: it's my right, you have to do what i say and i get to harass you
health authority coming to resto that doesn't follow health regs: you're trespassing you have no rights and have to leave, stop harassing me

LUL

like to see gov step in but we soft like charmin

[Teriyaki]

Absolutely. Its impossible to make sense of, let alone argue with stupid.
"These are the rules, you don't get to to this"
Flips situation
"The rules don't apply to me. I get to do this"

Huh? What? I don't even.

[whitev70r]

Again .. AZ fail ... not instilling confidence and making people like CiC and anti-vaxxers look good. Apparently, 15m doses were ruined.

U.S. ousts AstraZeneca from vaccine factory, puts J&J in charge
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/video-us-ousts-astrazeneca-from-vaccine-factory-puts-jj-in-charge/

[Hondaracer]

Weird, a rushed vaccine has had a bunch of issues? Didn’t see that coming...thought this was suppose to be tested to the point of not being an issue?..

[SSM_DC5]

Weird, a rushed vaccine has had a bunch of issues? Didn’t see that coming...thought this was suppose to be tested to the point of not being an issue?..

Did you even watch the video from the link? Or did you just comment because you read AZ in the post?

[westopher]

Testing doesn’t account for a human error in manufacturing. That’s like blaming the plywood supplier cause it fell off your truck on the way to the job site.

[StylinRed]

Albertans flood Nelson BC causes a restaurant to shutdown due to pushy crowd (towards his employees), and for them ignoring covid rules

https://www.citynews1130.com/2021/04/05/nelson-restaurant-owner-shuts-down-long-weekend-crowd/


NELSON (NEWS 1130) – A Nelson restaurant owner is being applauded by the region’s MLA after he shut down his patio over the long weekend because of crowds of customers flouting COVID-19 orders.

Main Street Diner owner Nick Diamond took to Facebook on Sunday, saying he made the “incredibly tough call” to shut down his business half way through a “tremendously busy day for what I felt was in the name of community health and safety.”

Diamond says there was an “incredible influx of out of town visitors” moving through his restaurant on Saturday, with many described as “pushy, rude,” and not following public health guidelines.

“My staff were being pushed around and treated poorly,” he explained, adding it he abruptly decided it was time to shut down.


“I made this decision without even knowing about our new case totals for BC,” Diamond said, adding he also hadn’t had a chance to read breaking headlines about back-to-back record counts.

“I made my decision solely based on my experience throughout the day and the frustrations my staff were battling with,” he wrote, going on to detail a massive influx of out-of-town visitors, many from Alberta.

...


Story is longer but I'm too lazy to copy around all of news1130s ads

[SkinnyPupp]

I see it as nothing but a good thing that bad batches of vaccines are being caught before they make it out to people... Think of the alternative!

[sonick]

Maga anti-vaxxer who got kicked off our hockey team group chat earlier last year posted this in his insta story:

https://i.imgur.com/xYkJOev.jpg

Except the decrease starts happening perfectly timed 2 weeks after the vaccines in Texas start rolling out. So tempted to DM him something snarky about "oh wow the vaccine is working!" but didn't wanna waste my time arguing with him.

https://i.imgur.com/HITsYH7.png

[SkinnyPupp]

Your hockey buddy is a victim of literally "fake news". That site screenshotted is a known Russian troll news site. Their goal is to, well what we're seeing. Make people wrong, and make them fight about it. I found out when someone posted a bunch of their stuff here; it looked suspect so I looked into it, and sure enough...

[GLOW]

i binged watched homeland on netflix and i swear the last season on netflix is what's happening now :S

[Ch28]

i binged watched homeland on netflix and i swear the last season on netflix is what's happening now :S

You need to watch Contagion

[GLOW]

seen that a couple weeks back b/c someone also told me this is eerily similar to what's happening now, also on netflix...

[sonick]

You can pre-register for vaccination online now, even if you are not eligible yet. They'll reach out via email or sms on how to book an appt when you become eligible:

https://www.getvaccinated.gov.bc.ca/

[320icar]

You can pre-register for vaccination online now, even if you are not eligible yet. They'll reach out via email or sms on how to book an appt when you become eligible:

https://www.getvaccinated.gov.bc.ca/

Do you identify as an Indigenous person?

Subtle SJW bullshit wording. You either got your status card or you don’t. I can identify however they want. Does everyone want their shot today?! Let’s go!! We’re all native!!

[CRS]

Subtle SJW bullshit wording. You either got your status card or you don’t. I can identify however they want. Does everyone want their shot today?! Let’s go!! We’re all native!!

You'd have to be a pretty big POS to go down that route and effectively lie to jump the queue.

I'm pretty sure the SJW you're referring to are not the same group that would do what you're talking about. Keep in mind that getting your status card isn't as simple as determining lineage and not all Indigenous people can qualify despite their ancestry.

[Traum]

You can pre-register for vaccination online now, even if you are not eligible yet. They'll reach out via email or sms on how to book an appt when you become eligible:

https://www.getvaccinated.gov.bc.ca/
The vaccine booking system is not working right now. The process really comes in 2 parts:

- the registration
- the date/time booking

The registration part seems to be working, and I was able to get a confirmation code after entering the relevant information. I even received the date/time booking email and URL. But that's where the problem starts.

When the confirmation code and PHN are entered into the date/time booking system, it says that the patient info is not found. I am given the opportunity to manually key that info in again, and it still says their records don't match what I've typed in. Called up their support line, and the person told me they are running into some issues at their end, and just told me to keep trying online for now. And if I still can't get through by tonight, call in and they will help me manually book in over the phone. FailFish

I've been trying the damn date/time booking thing since 9am this morning, and it is still doing that now.

Fun times...

[The Producer]

Subtle SJW bullshit wording. You either got your status card or you don’t. I can identify however they want. Does everyone want their shot today?! Let’s go!! We’re all native!!

it's a loop hole - i think if you were a big enough scumbag you could push it. you'd have to be stone cold POS to be standing next to an obviously indigenous person in the line up claiming it. certainly wouldn't fly in a small town.

the worst case scenario is another shot ends up in another arm. Could this extend the number of jabs ahead of you? maybe but I think by an insignificant number.

where are we on true supply? people obviously pissy that the jabs were down over the long weekend. Also hearing that if you DO qualify, none of the locations are busy with plenty of appointments available. I think they need to extend the age parameters. Anybody who does qualify, but hasn't gotten their butts in gear should be passed over for now.

[Hakkaboy]

The vaccine booking system is not working right now. The process really comes in 2 parts:

- the registration
- the date/time booking

The registration part seems to be working, and I was able to get a confirmation code after entering the relevant information. I even received the date/time booking email and URL. But that's where the problem starts.

When the confirmation code and PHN are entered into the date/time booking system, it says that the patient info is not found. I am given the opportunity to manually key that info in again, and it still says their records don't match what I've typed in. Called up their support line, and the person told me they are running into some issues at their end, and just told me to keep trying online for now. And if I still can't get through by tonight, call in and they will help me manually book in over the phone. FailFish

I've been trying the damn date/time booking thing since 9am this morning, and it is still doing that now.

Fun times...

You already qualified to schedule an appointment?

[Traum]

You already qualified to schedule an appointment?
Doing it for my parents, man. And I am so glad I'm doing this instead of having them do it for themselves. They'd be going nuts or stressed out from the system not working since they aren't super computer savvy.

I am not the least bit surprised that the system buckled under production load, and it probably sucks to be the IT guys that are busting their ballz trying to fix the system right now... FailFish

[underscore]

Predictably all my relatives that now could get the AZ shot for 55+ want to wait because they dOn'T wAnT tHaT oNe. Fucking boomers.

[sonick]

Predictably all my relatives that now could get the AZ shot for 55+ want to wait because they dOn'T wAnT tHaT oNe. Fucking boomers.

TBH, I don't blame them. Yes the risk is low, but if peace of mind for themselves or any other concerned family member means waiting a few more weeks, not a huge tradeoff.

Unless they are all YOLO in terms of going out and gathering in groups, in that case maybe it's less risky to take the AZ.

[whitev70r]

Clear link between AstraZeneca and rare blood clots in brain, EMA vaccine chief says

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/clear-link-between-astrazeneca-vaccine-and-rare-blood-clots-in-brain-ema-official-says

You really blame boomers? C'mon!

[320icar]

Predictably all my relatives that now could get the AZ shot for 55+ want to wait because they dOn'T wAnT tHaT oNe. Fucking boomers.

Our workplace is getting allocations but it’s also the AZ, everyone who’s had the meeting has gone “no thanks”. Jesus

Edit: for those 55+

[westopher]

Clear link between AstraZeneca and rare blood clots in brain, EMA vaccine chief says

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/clear-link-between-astrazeneca-vaccine-and-rare-blood-clots-in-brain-ema-official-says

You really blame boomers? C'mon!
44 cases of clots out of 9.2 million doses. Is that even as common as the birth control risks of strokes?

[Hondaracer]

That’s what happens when you have to beg India for garbage vaccines?

[underscore]

Is the risk higher than COVID itself? Unless somethings changed recently wasn't the clotting something like 44 cases out of 9.2 million vaccinated? That's 0.0004%. If any of them sounded like they were doing actual research or talking to their doctors I wouldn't be so annoyed with them but it's just random crap based on nothing that ignores basic fucking math.

edit to use westophers numbers.

Clear link between AstraZeneca and rare blood clots in brain, EMA vaccine chief says

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/clear-link-between-astrazeneca-vaccine-and-rare-blood-clots-in-brain-ema-official-says

You really blame boomers? C'mon!

"He did not provide evidence to support his comments."

If it's so clear, back it up with something.

[whitev70r]

^ So if you were offered the AZ vaccine, you'd take it this afternoon?

It's just the drip drip drip news release raises concern. My bro is a Dr and he said, 'if you can wait, I would wait.'

Not an anti-vaxxer ... but I would personally wait.

Again, it is your choice ... don't piss on those who prefer to wait. There should be enough people who are willing to take the AZ vaccine.

[RiceIntegraRS]

sorry if its been posted earlier, i didnt see it but

how long is the wait for the pfizer or moderna shot? my parents are wanting the shot but they'd prefer those to over the AZ if possible.


TIA

[Traum]

sorry if its been posted earlier, i didnt see it but

how long is the wait for the pfizer or moderna shot? my parents are wanting the shot but they'd prefer those to over the AZ if possible.

Scroll down to Phase 3 and 4 and you will see the vaccination schedule for the general public:

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/covid-19/vaccine/plan

[The Producer]

you know what would have been a better question on the sign up than "do you identify as indigenous?"

would you be willing to take the AZ shot at any time

they said at the beginning of this you wouldn't get to choose, now it turns out quite a few people don't like that requirement.

I've got no problem w people passing on their opportunity to get vaccinated - but back of the line please. if a few weeks isn't a big deal, just wait and go last.

[Alpine]

https://twitter.com/j_mcelroy/status/1379573529780252672

Age data.

[hud 91gt]

Isn’t the concern hospitalization of young people, not just cases?


I saw a video of the corduroy owner today. I won’t lie, I boycotted that place about 8 years ago (I was an almost daily customer at one point since I live across the street). A single bad instance with a waitress, then a personal message to their management without reply and I was done....

But besides that, I can totally understand the owners frustrations, and although in no way do I condone her actions, how god damn stupid is she to carry her bloody baby with her in that crowded place. Risk your life, risk your customers whatever. They make their own decisions, but pretty sure my stubbornness (oh and I’m bloody stubborn) would give when I were to have a kid. What a piece of work, wow.

[The Producer]

https://twitter.com/j_mcelroy/status/1379573529780252672

Age data.



^^ that's a good sign to me. clearly the vaccine is working in the older age groups that have received it, trending the numbers towards those who haven't.

at this point the only thing any reporter should be asking is what are the roadblocks to getting more people vaccinated ASAP. supplies?, staffing?, vaccine hesitancy? etc.

speed the fuck up w the jabs. :fuckyea:

[MarkyMark]

If given the option is AstraZeneca anyone's first or second choice? I really don't blame anyone for not wanting to get it, as long as they are willing to wait for the shot they want and don't demand that they get it as soon as the AZ shot.

Like said earlier, I'm sure there's enough people out there who don't care what shot they get, so they'll get used up regardless.

Personally I'll wait until I know which one I'm getting beforehand, even if it makes me only feel 0.0000004% safer.

[SkinnyPupp]

I don't blame people for waiting on AZ. Same as Sinovac here. But if I was over 60 I'd just get it. The risk of getting really sick from covid is high, and the risk of passing it on to other oldies is high. Much more risky than the 44 people out of 10 million who got blood clots.

[StylinRed]

Isn't our AZ supply much lower than our Pfizer and Modern anyhow? Aren't most getting the pfizer/modern ones anyways?

[westopher]

Worth mentioning there are approximately 1.6 million people between 20-40 in the labour market.
There are 600k over 55.
Wonder if that has something to do with people 20-40 accounting for 40(ish)% of the cases?
No must just be all of us partying.
Footage of Hulk Horgan in his office.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMqZ2PPOLik

[Ch28]

https://twitter.com/emadagahi/status/1379597435757064195

[Great68]

That’s what happens when you have to beg India for garbage vaccines?

The Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine was developed in the UK.

Come on man.

[whitev70r]

The US 'gifted' us with 1.5 mill doses ... or maybe they just wanted to pass it on to another country.

People on the front lines health care, Emerge Dr's are reporting that right now, it's worst than it's ever been in terms of ICU, Covid wards full, except 20-55 yo on intubators, turned upside down in ICU ... not 65+year olds. This sh*t is for real ... up to you man what you want to do. I think for younger folks in that age range, this variant is mother nature saying ... it's your effin turn.

[westopher]

Well maybe people should take a fuckin vaccine with 0.00004% chance of blood clots (that aren't fatal) if they are so afraid of a virus with a 3% death rate?
I don't get what your angle is here.

[Vancouver240sx]

I look forward to the US completing their vaccinations (pretty soon) so we can get some.

Rich

[hud 91gt]

I’ve heard otherwise through the vines of Bonnie. Our numbers were just as high in November, but were reported differently. New strain, new spikes. Good, no. Media craziness, yes.

[westopher]

Thats an issue with the BC CDC/NDPs reporting, not the media. If they are mentioning things like that, and not making it common knowledge, that's a pretty notable breach of trust.

[twitchyzero]

every day the variants here are gaining momentum against the vaccintaion efforts

once every 65 & above gets a chance should they start at 30 then expanding up and down from that point?

feels like they are not adapting fast enough to the changing conditions...the phases setup was put in place 3 months ago and a lot has changed since

[The Producer]

The US 'gifted' us with 1.5 mill doses ... or maybe they just wanted to pass it on to another country.

People on the front lines health care, Emerge Dr's are reporting that right now, it's worst than it's ever been in terms of ICU, Covid wards full, except 20-55 yo on intubators, turned upside down in ICU ... not 65+year olds. This sh*t is for real ... up to you man what you want to do. I think for younger folks in that age range, this variant is mother nature saying ... it's your effin turn.

:fulloffuck:

i don't understand what you want us to do - take any vaccine that could avoid your scenario?, or don't take a vaccine and end up in your scenario?

which should I pick? those are my 2 choices. (edit: that's not true, I can't choose to take the vaccine yet, unless i push for a manufacturing sector waiver)

the 3rd choice of just magically avoiding the virus is a fallacy

[SkinnyPupp]

Also US isn't gifting the AZ vaccines, they're selling them to Canada. Because Canada needs them more urgently, and they aren't using them yet anyway, since that vaccine hasn't received emergency use exemption by the FDA yet (waiting for 3rd phase trial results)

[underscore]

^ So if you were offered the AZ vaccine, you'd take it this afternoon?

To quote westopher:

Throw an AstraZeneca shot in my fuckin peehole I don’t care.

Give me a damn vaccine so I don't have to worry about these walnuts who still can't wear a mask or distance properly a year in.

Well maybe people should take a fuckin vaccine with 0.00004% chance of blood clots (that aren't fatal) if they are so afraid of a virus with a 3% death rate?
I don't get what your angle is here.

People who have been saying they aren't worried about COVID but then go on to say they're worried about the vaccine boggle my mind. How difficult is it to comprehend which number is bigger? Why are you scared of a wee number and not a big one? You're 7500x more likely to die from the virus than to get a non-fatal clot. Figure it out.

[Ludepower]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-stay-at-home-order-covid-19-1.5977646

Get your haircuts soon people. BC can be shutdown next with little warning.

[SkinnyPupp]

I would expect a shutdown soon. Gather your Toilet Paper!

[The Producer]

fk it - shut it all down

no pay for anybody tho (or, I submit my total lost earnings and get compensated in full)

if i have to lose another single penny, so should everybody else.

let's see how long the shutdown advocates last without a paycheque. think the tunes will change after a few weeks? I don't think a large portion of the population can make it a month.

get the vaccines in arms. pay the "burnt out" medical professionals x10 pay to work 24/7. The vaccine is, and always has been the ONLY way out of this. Every second counts.

[whitev70r]

What don't you get about delaying a vaccine if it is AZ? I know the risk is small but it is something being injected into you.

By delaying, I just live my careful Covid lifestyle till it hits my age group ... another 3-4 weeks?

The risk isn't 0.000004% vs. 3%, the risk is taking an increasingly questionable vaccine vs. waiting 3-4 weeks. Most people who are already careful and living with all the safety measures can easily keep it up for another month.

[Ludepower]

Correct me if I'm wrong. Just because the 55+ waits another 3 weeks doesn't mean they won't get AZ vaccine. You don't get to choose. Unless you show up and bail last second.

[twitchyzero]

^ you'll get pfizer/moderna if you wait your turn

yep i don't get it either

this is not a boomer/generational issue

why take the risk when you're up for your age group in a month? US is one of the leaders in vaccination and if they haven't approved it why rush it, you're not suddenly getting back to normal a month earlier just because you have AZ first dose...we're all gonna be masking/distancing for basically rest of the year...borders aint opening up, economy will still be just as fucked by october-november whether or not you take an AZ dose this month

[westopher]

Feel free to not take the vaccine, but if you don’t, you’ve really got no leg to stand on about lecturing people how serious this shit is.
People don’t get the luxury of “living the careful covid lifestyle”
Not everyone who’s gotten it has gone around licking toilet seats and partying in big white. People have gotten it at work, schools, regular errands while doing their part and taking proper precautions. Shit happens.

[AstulzerRZD]

Got my vaccine Wednesday last week.
Had sore arm through to Saturday.
Now have the fairly common side effect of expanded lymph nodes... mine are pressing on the nerve that runs down the arm.

[twitchyzero]

biden will offer a vaccine to all adults down south in less than 2 weeks
shortly after i assume all 4 brands will come in ample supplies for canada/mexico

operation warpspeed has the rigour to throw out 15M batches of J&J like it's nothing (almost half of our population since it's 1-dose only), i think it's important to follow the updates of the FDA

[Hondaracer]

45,000 people at a baseball game in Texas and we can’t get restaurants open with 5 people inside..

‘Merica...

I love this country and this province but the way this whole thing has been handled...this is the first time in my life where I’m actively considering leaving Canada.

At least where my other options would take me there isn’t this veiled sense of achievement masked by total
Incompetence at all levels of govt. hey, at least we got the anthem lyrics changed though!

[The Producer]

By delaying, I just live my careful Covid lifestyle till it hits my age group ... another 3-4 weeks?



We just don't live in the same reality. That's OK - i'm working on coming to terms with this.

for me, 4 more weeks (more like 8-10 ), when it could be over now carries an infinitely greater risk of disaster than 44 in 10 million. Either acquiring the virus myself and/or passing it on to somebody else. My lifestyle requires daily interaction w the public. Until I get shut down - I'm open

it's all moot, I'm not getting an early chance at it anyways. Every spare AZ vaccine was snapped up within 90 minutes the other day, by people who I assume also can't afford to wait.

best of luck my guy - I really hope that we all get out of this and get to have a laugh about it this summer. We can all have a beer standing around the facemask bonfire together. RS Summer Meet 2021 :lawl:

[CivicBlues]

Are there any 55-65 year olds here that can even take the AZ vaccine? MG1? kinda arguing a moot point right now.

[underscore]

I know the risk is small but it is something being injected into you.

You realize COVID goes into you too right?

increasingly questionable vaccine

Based on what evidence? If there's something concrete please share it, but so far there's been nothing but opinions and a 0.00004% chance of a complication. If someone wants to avoid it based on actual science I have no issue with that. Just provide some first.

Most people who are already careful and living with all the safety measures can easily keep it up for another month.

If they actually are, sure. Most people I know are still taking some level of risk though. If someones choosing not to take a vaccine being offered to them they should be staying home and getting their groceries delivered, not going shopping and getting haircuts.

[MarkyMark]

If someones choosing not to take a vaccine being offered to them they should be staying home and getting their groceries delivered, not going shopping and getting haircuts.

Shouldn't we be saying that to anyone regardless of if they've been offered the shot or not though? The risk is the same.

At the end of the day the only people who are going to make it shitty for others are the people who refuse to get any vaccine and/or don't wear a mask. Opting for which brand you want just changes who gets their shot first, not how many people get vaccinated overall.

[Hondaracer]

In the last few days I’ve run into some, let’s say acquaintances

2 people were offered AZ and turned it down. The other 2 are going to simply turn down any vaccine going forward until there’s more long term data.

These people are not overly intelligent people. However, this seems to be a common sentiment now

Add to that, in the last month or so I’ve run into customers at work who are questioning whether or not people are even in the hospital..lol

[GGnoRE]

Can someone explain to me how Texas is doing so well? Their cases are rapidly dropping 3 weeks after covid restrictions are lifted, no masks, no nothing. Vaccination only at 20% so far, is that all it takes for herd immunity to kick in?

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/texas-covid-cases.html

[westopher]

Just a guess, but could have lots to do with the fact like 12% of their population has already tested positive for it, couple that with a symptomatic infections and the vaccination being at about 20% fully vaccinated, they could be looking as high as 40% of their population having the antibodies now. Lots of people died to get there, and lots got sick.

[sonick]

Welp, brother in law that is in our bubble and that we had dinner with on Friday had a headache on Sunday, got tested Tuesday, and got a positive result today.

:heckno:

Self-isolating now I guess, fingers crossed we didn't get it.

[HonestTea]

Unconfirmed but apparently Anytime Fitness in Toronto becoming a "retail" store for members to "test" their equipment...?

[westopher]

I’m sure that will last around 8 minutes.

[320icar]

Welp, brother in law that is in our bubble and that we had dinner with on Friday had a headache on Sunday, got tested Tuesday, and got a positive result today.

:heckno:

Self-isolating now I guess, fingers crossed we didn't get it.

Gotta ask but was his only symptom a headache?? Cuz i get like 3 of those a week for the last 20 years.

[68style]

^ That sucks man, I feel so bad for people with chronic headaches... I've probably had 5 in my whole life and can't imagine feeling that way on the reg

I just try not to BE one :pokerface:

[jing]

Got my vaccine Wednesday last week.
Had sore arm through to Saturday.
Now have the fairly common side effect of expanded lymph nodes... mine are pressing on the nerve that runs down the arm.

I got Pfizer on Fri. Arm was a little sore the night of. Felt a little more tired than usual on Saturday and arm was still slightly sore but that was it. :awwyeah:

[BlackV62K2]

I got Pfizer on Fri. Arm was a little sore the night of. Felt a little more tired than usual on Saturday and arm was still slightly sore but that was it. :awwyeah:

Apparently it's the 2nd dose that kicks your ass. Friends that had both all said they were fine after the 1st shot but the 2nd one they felt sick after.

[Mr.Money]

too much media fear is gonna cost the dumb people risking their chances on permanent lung damage.


i know a close friend who got covid when it was almost first announced last year and 10 steps he was gassed out of breath at age 42 trying to do a simple walk after recovering.


doctors couldn't do anything for him but just saying continue to walk & gain strength up in the lungs was the only possible thing.


in his word it was "really severe chest pains … On about day eleven, I woke up at 5 a.m. thinking I was having a heart attack. I had severe, excruciating chest pains. It was just terrifying. I had a lot of physical pain, but when you multiply it with the emotional side of being ill"

[SSM_DC5]

Welp, brother in law that is in our bubble and that we had dinner with on Friday had a headache on Sunday, got tested Tuesday, and got a positive result today.

:heckno:

Self-isolating now I guess, fingers crossed we didn't get it.

Can't get tested due to exposure?

[sonick]

Gotta ask but was his only symptom a headache?? Cuz i get like 3 of those a week for the last 20 years.

Not sure, that's what my wife said. Sounded like that was the primary symptom at least.

Edit: sounds like minor cough and sore throat is what got him to get tested.

Can't get tested due to exposure?

According to BC guidelines exposure alone is not recommended, but exposure + 1 major symptom or 2 minor symptoms. So holding off for now.

[SkinnyPupp]

According to BC guidelines exposure alone is not recommended, but exposure + 1 major symptom or 2 minor symptoms. So holding off for now.

And people wonder why it keeps spreading :yuno:

[mikemhg]

I've been lucky/unlucky enough to get to hear the COVID cases and the morbidities/mortalities as a result each day @ VGH.

I'm sure everyone has heard the reports, but she's definitely seeing way more people in our age group (30's) getting admitted into the ICU due to COVID. She was all down last night because one of her patients aged 32 ended being moved from acute care to the ICU yesterday.

Another 30-something actually passed away last night from COVID.

Many of these people though have underlying health issues (although not all).

The overall narrative still here is take care of your health -- If you're one of these people who sit on their ass all day, eat bullshit all the time, and whine and worry about COVID, you're a damn fool.

No one should be stopping their fitness regimes or allowing themselves to succumb to bad habits as a result of this pandemic (sitting around all day sedentary drinking beers, no exercise, poor diet, etc.)

Those habits are far more dangerous then COVID, and I've noticed many of these folks that are extremely fearful of COVID also living such unhealthy lifestyles, with little or no want to change that fact.

I find that so perplexing.

[68style]

Is it though? I mean everyone knows being obese and eating sugar and shit leads to heart disease and diabetes etc but most people don’t understand the phrase “everything in moderation” or have been highly encouraged by the social movement celebrating everyone just being beautiful as they are... they just keep consuming and then cry when shit goes south for them.

Not that anyone should be crushed emotionally into fitness, but being fat simply isn’t healthy and that’s the end of it.

[westopher]

The difference is sugar, booze, fried foods, blow, etc makes you feel good.
I'd rather kill myself over 5 decades with shit that makes me have a good time than a disease that makes me stop breathing over a few weeks.
That said, I'm drug free (other than alcohol), and eat well, but I understand how vices are a shitload less scary than Covid.

[MarkyMark]

The problem is being a fat slob also makes you more likely to get fucked up from Covid if you get it. I wonder how many people would have survived Covid if they weren't obese when they got it. Having vices and just not giving a shit about your health are different.

[68style]

^ That's what I noticed in the USA anyway.... the younger ones who get really sick from it are all obese

I'm not sure about here... but definitely noticed that in USA

[twitchyzero]

The problem is being a fat slob also makes you more likely to get fucked up from Covid if you get it.

might be the opposite

healthy and stronger immune system eliciting a stronger response/symptoms

st paul's is doing a study on the long term effects

[iwantaskyline]

I've been lucky/unlucky enough to get to hear the COVID cases and the morbidities/mortalities as a result each day @ VGH.

I'm sure everyone has heard the reports, but she's definitely seeing way more people in our age group (30's) getting admitted into the ICU due to COVID. She was all down last night because one of her patients aged 32 ended being moved from acute care to the ICU yesterday.

Another 30-something actually passed away last night from COVID.

Many of these people though have underlying health issues (although not all).

The overall narrative still here is take care of your health -- If you're one of these people who sit on their ass all day, eat bullshit all the time, and whine and worry about COVID, you're a damn fool.

No one should be stopping their fitness regimes or allowing themselves to succumb to bad habits as a result of this pandemic (sitting around all day sedentary drinking beers, no exercise, poor diet, etc.)

Those habits are far more dangerous then COVID, and I've noticed many of these folks that are extremely fearful of COVID also living such unhealthy lifestyles, with little or no want to change that fact.

I find that so perplexing.

I've seen this with some of my friends who use to be quite fit and active. They don't go to the gym anymore (for good reason) and just sit on their asses all day.

Luckily I have a gym in my building which I have private access to based on booking to keep fit, with the weather getting nicer I'm also back to running to outside.

[SkinnyPupp]

They don't go to the gym anymore (for good reason) and just sit on their asses all day.

:alone:

[MarkyMark]

might be the opposite

healthy and stronger immune system eliciting a stronger response/symptoms

st paul's is doing a study on the long term effects

More healthy people with strong immune systems are dying from Covid than obese people?

[twitchyzero]

not deaths but possibly worse symptoms and long term lingering effects

hopefully the vaccine changes that

[JDMDreams]

Man I don't know wtf they are waiting for, are cases are super high in line with Ontario but Hogan's still guais nothing I can do:rukidding:. Wtf kinda leadership is this. I can't control the ferry's. Pretending nothing is happening will make the virus go away.

[westopher]

BCs handling so far can probably be chalked up to luck until this point. Now they have nothing really in place. The next 3 months will just be them throwing shit at a wall to see what sticks until people are vaccinated.

[JDMDreams]

Pisses off the most is the Karen's who say they have a medical exemption and you can't force them to wear a mask. Apparently there was some big anti mask protest or some shit in dt yesterday again

[westopher]

It’s just stupid people that don’t like being told what to do. It’s like the republicans drinking a 40oz big gulp with 8 straws to “stick it to the libs”
People choose the weirdest stands today. Like that’s what matters most to you? Your right to not wear a mask, your right to straws, etc?

[SumAznGuy]

BCs handling so far can probably be chalked up to luck until this point. Now they have nothing really in place. The next 3 months will just be them throwing shit at a wall to see what sticks until people are vaccinated.

Yup and now UBC wants to give her Bonnie Henry an honorary degree along with Greta.

I'm gonna burn my wife's UBC degree cause it means nothing now that they give it useless ppl like these two.

[hud 91gt]

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/no-more-lockdowns-–-britain-will-treat-covid-like-flu-says-chris-whitty/ar-BB1fdbDj?ocid=st&fbclid=IwAR3Gls2RwEcNQh7f1zc5_gjNbjYDTM7ibAw3RG1Rm 6khCqTpN-m-TqMTVp0

[iwantaskyline]

More healthy people with strong immune systems are dying from Covid than obese people?

Shit that scares me about covid is you got some incredible athletes that have lingering symptoms months after recovering.

[pastarocket]

Man I don't know wtf they are waiting for, are cases are super high in line with Ontario but Hogan's still guais nothing I can do:rukidding:. Wtf kinda leadership is this. I can't control the ferry's. Pretending nothing is happening will make the virus go away.


I agree.

Horgan is no Hulk Hogan that's for sure when it comes to using his power to beat down someone or something like Covid.

Didn't Horgan use the term a "tonne of bricks" to describe a heavy handed approach to enforce provincial health orders?

Tonne of bricks is more like a truck load of Canada geese feathers.

There are strong Pokemon like Tyrannitar that throw bigger rocks in Pokemon raids than the pebbles that Horgan uses to combat the spread of Covid.

:lawl:

[Hondaracer]

The rest of the world opens up, as the CDC warns against travel to Canada due to record number of cases and variants. Awesome.

[JDMDreams]

Good, we deserve to be shamed how shitty our gov prioritizes things. So all these Karen's can shut the fuck up and can't go anywhere since they don't have their vaccination passports.

[Hondaracer]

I agree.

Horgan is no Hulk Hogan that's for sure when it comes to using his power to beat down someone or something like Covid.

Didn't Horgan use the term a "tonne of bricks" to describe a heavy handed approach to enforce provincial health orders?

Tonne of bricks is more like a truck load of Canada geese feathers.

There are strong Pokemon like Tyrannitar that throw bigger rocks in Pokemon raids than the pebbles that Horgan uses to combat the spread of Covid.

:lawl:

That’s quite the analogy lol

[Traum]

This just in:

https://www.citynews1130.com/2021/04/08/bc-covid-relief-businesses/

TL;DR:
March 30 provincial health order and are eligible to receive between $1,000 and $10,000 in funding. The majority of eligible businesses will receive a grant of about $5,000.
Yes, it's a drop in the bucket, but something is always better than nothing, right?

(On an unrelated note, yay to more provincial tax hikes later down the line~ But we'll worry about that when we get there...)

[Hondaracer]

Wait until capital gains is applied to primary residences to pay for all this. That will be fun