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snowball
01-21-2022, 03:27 PM
Booster shot is kicking my ass with the side effects. Nothing but a sore arm from the first two.

Couple of friends got their butts kicked for 2-3 days after their booster even though they were okay for the first two. Guess it's pretty normal.

JSALES
01-21-2022, 03:53 PM
Are majority of the covid testing sites in the lower mainland only giving out rapid tests now? No more PCR test?

Hondaracer
01-21-2022, 03:56 PM
Just make up some bs about being a care giver to an elderly parent or sonthing and your doctor said to get a PCR

snowball
01-21-2022, 04:00 PM
Are majority of the covid testing sites in the lower mainland only giving out rapid tests now? No more PCR test?

After today's announcements it sounds like you can't even get a test unless you're over 70, unvaccinated, or work with vulnerable populations.

donk.
01-21-2022, 05:15 PM
After today's announcements it sounds like you can't even get a test unless you're over 70, unvaccinated, or work with vulnerable populations.

Starting to sound like china
No tests = no cases

:joy:

Numba one

Hondaracer
01-21-2022, 05:42 PM
Starting to sound like china
No tests = no cases

:joy:

Numba one

Yea..no tests, no cases, Bonnie says contact tracing no good anymore because no cases because no tests

StylinRed
01-21-2022, 05:48 PM
BC gave up, it was a half assed effort from the start so it's no surprise they're overwhelmed and are saying fuck it

Hondaracer
01-21-2022, 05:54 PM
I think contact tracing was pretty futile from the start. Relying on people being truthful and their memory? Heh

whitev70r
01-21-2022, 06:34 PM
Most stories I hear of vaccine whooping people are Moderna boosters ... I hardly hear Pfizer kicking someone's ass.

bigzz786786
01-21-2022, 06:38 PM
My gf and I both had a moderna booster, she's moderna X2 and I'm Pfizer X2, both of us had a slightly sore arm the next day with feeling a tiny bit tired, I went snowboarding the day after my booster.

My psecond Pfizer dose Is what kicked my ass, was feverish for 3 days

StylinRed
01-21-2022, 07:31 PM
Most stories I hear of vaccine whooping people are Moderna boosters ... I hardly hear Pfizer kicking someone's ass.

iirc moderna has more incidences of side effects than pfizer but is also more effective with variants

Special K
01-21-2022, 07:35 PM
I got Pfizer for the first two, then Moderna for my third on Monday.

Sore arm within seconds. Went to bed that night and for the next 36 hours, I had a massive headache, full body fatigue and a mixture of chills and sweats. Had to take two days off of work and stayed in bed for practically that entire duration.

I felt pretty good last night so I ended up going back to work today.

Same experience. I took Tylenol and got better within 3-4 hours.

Teriyaki
01-21-2022, 08:19 PM
iirc moderna has more incidences of side effects than pfizer but is also more effective with variants

Vaccine that makes your body react with an immune response, means its working as its intended.

Gimme that Moderna, got my text this morning for the booster and scheduled it for 2 weeks later. That'll give it about 3-4 weeks between getting covid and the booster. Read someone that recommended a month after contracting it to getting the booster for maximum effectiveness? But I have my doubts if that is just a best guess based on general vaccine effectiveness because I don't think they'd specifically conduct studies on something like this...

DavidNguyen
01-21-2022, 08:28 PM
So boris Johnson is under fire because he threw a party back in 2020 when his country was under strict lockdown.

Now come Thursday? He's removing all or most covid restrictions in the U.K. what are your thoughts?

Can't edit till canada follows suit!

SkinnyPupp
01-21-2022, 08:52 PM
So boris Johnson is under fire because he threw a party back in 2020 when his country was under strict lockdown.

Now come Thursday? He's removing all or most covid restrictions in the U.K. what are your thoughts?

Can't edit till canada follows suit!
You know we're in a rough spot when people are clamoring for our leaders to be more like Boris Johnson.

Hondaracer
01-21-2022, 08:54 PM
https://youtu.be/suOocJnrKLw

No one seemed to want to acknowledge Trump was right either? Ehhhh

What a crazy concept to actually put trust in the public?

westopher
01-21-2022, 09:01 PM
Lol what was trump right about? The US hasn’t had a win in about 5.5 years now.
On the BOJO note though, it’s gonna be a shit time to be a doctor or nurse, even more so. They are gonna have to really reorganize the triage plans all over if they want to make this work.

SkinnyPupp
01-21-2022, 09:30 PM
LOL yes let's bring back Trump that'll fix everyting

Trump was "right" in that he happened to be in office when the vaccines came out. He supports them because he can claim he introduced them. If not for that, he would be leading the charge against vaccination.

Trump was right... come on

StylinRed
01-21-2022, 10:59 PM
He was right about the meds he was referring to n supporting to some degree

But the media and anti trumpers just best him down at every point even if any made sense it wouldn't matter, if you can't recognize that it's more concerning tbh

320icar
01-21-2022, 11:00 PM
So, do I bother getting the booster? If I’m fully vaxxed plus got sick before i had a chance to book

SkinnyPupp
01-21-2022, 11:21 PM
He was right about the meds he was referring to n supporting to some degree

But the media and anti trumpers just best him down at every point even if any made sense it wouldn't matter, if you can't recognize that it's more concerning tbh
He wasn't right about hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin.

Nobody argued against using Remdesivir because it was one of the first effective medications used, and was eventually proven in vivo unlike the other two which were disproven. Despite being disproven, he and other weirdos continued to push it to the point where their followers started buying veterinary meds and taking high doses of it.

So he was "right" but nobody of any significance was claiming he was "wrong"

SSM_DC5
01-22-2022, 01:52 AM
So, do I bother getting the booster? If I’m fully vaxxed plus got sick before i had a chance to book

Yes

Hondaracer
01-22-2022, 06:04 AM
So, do I bother getting the booster? If I’m fully vaxxed plus got sick before i had a chance to book

https://apple.news/A3paudpHrRC2l9ai54euo5w

There’s quite a few articles about it. Personally I’d probably wait until they come out with boosters that have been revised for the variants etc.

hud 91gt
01-22-2022, 06:11 AM
Boris Johnson opening things up when a less severe strain is on the loose.

Trump wants to open up when basically unknown virus is spreading.

I don’t think these things can be considered equal. I hope we follow The UKs lead.

On a second note, isn’t Mexico sending out Invermectin to its citizens? Or is my anti Vax Aunt just spreading Facebook BS?

whitev70r
01-22-2022, 07:25 AM
Now there is no isolation if you have symptoms but not been tested ...previously, it was, 'assume you have it and isolate for 5 days'.

I'm a good soldier and all but how can the government expect us to first of all, to keep track of all the revisions. Secondly, comply any more ??!! Really making those cuckoo protesters at the Art Gallery look good.

No minimum isolation time for those not tested for COVID-19 under new B.C. guidelines
https://bc.ctvnews.ca/no-minimum-isolation-time-for-those-not-tested-for-covid-19-under-new-b-c-guidelines-1.5748696

Hondaracer
01-22-2022, 07:37 AM
“I continue to support public health in making those decisions," said Dix. “The issue is if you're sick, stay home."

When asked to confirm that adults who feel better can stop isolating without a timeline attached, he replied, “That’s right.”

Insanity. It’s fucking crazy that we continue to have restrictions on gatherings etc. when this is the guidance.

It’s getting to the point where it feels like Bonnie and Dix are behind the scenes giggling seeing how much longer they can flex their power over the masses

StylinRed
01-22-2022, 08:43 AM
He wasn't right about hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin.

Nobody argued against using Remdesivir because it was one of the first effective medications used, and was eventually proven in vivo unlike the other two which were disproven. Despite being disproven, he and other weirdos continued to push it to the point where their followers started buying veterinary meds and taking high doses of it.

So he was "right" but nobody of any significance was claiming he was "wrong"

US prison system treats prisoners with covid with ivermectin though so I dunno :D

Hakkaboy
01-22-2022, 08:45 AM
Now there is no isolation if you gave symptoms but not been tested ...previously, it was, 'assume you have it and isolate for 5 days'.

I'm a good soldier and all but how can the government expect us to first of all, keep track of all the revisions, and secondly, comply any more ??!! Really making those cuckoo protesters at the Art Gallery look good.

No minimum isolation time for those not tested for COVID-19 under new B.C. guidelines
https://bc.ctvnews.ca/no-minimum-isolation-time-for-those-not-tested-for-covid-19-under-new-b-c-guidelines-1.5748696

I feel like this is an attempt to keep the schools (subsidized daycare) going so that teachers can keep on spreading...aheem teaching and schools won't have functional closures anymore.

inv4zn
01-22-2022, 08:51 AM
US prison system treats prisoners with covid with ivermectin though so I dunno :D

Uh, if you're referring to the recent news where some buttfuck prison in Arkansas gave a prisoner Ivermectin without permission, whoever was involved is going to be in a world of hurt.

To take that and say "they are treating covid with Ivermectin" is :rukidding:

whitev70r
01-22-2022, 08:56 AM
Can we ask China or some other country to do experimental drugs on prisoners? Like let them do something good back for the society. ... just kidding before people pop off.

Traum
01-22-2022, 10:39 AM
Can we ask China or some other country to do experimental drugs on prisoners? Like let them do something good back for the society. ... just kidding before people pop off.
And then China will just return with whatever test results that the testers ask for -- this experimental drug is 94.85% effective when your hypothesis suggests a 94.86% effectiveness. Now give us your money for the certification.

Wait... am I talking about materials safety tests for all sorts of general merchandise, or are we talking about testing experimental drugs now?
:badpokerface:

SpeedStars
01-22-2022, 02:53 PM
Booster shot is kicking my ass with the side effects. Nothing but a sore arm from the first two.

2nd shot I had a mild headache for a day and I was good. 3rd shot I felt basically bed ridden for 2 days with muscle soreness and nausea. Most of the people I know don't have any side effects though.

StylinRed
01-22-2022, 06:25 PM
Uh, if you're referring to the recent news where some buttfuck prison in Arkansas gave a prisoner Ivermectin without permission, whoever was involved is going to be in a world of hurt.

To take that and say "they are treating covid with Ivermectin" is :rukidding:

Probably :lol


https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/15134/production/_122942368_gettyimages-1214819380.jpg
Police in the US are searching for a monkey that escaped after a truck carrying 100 of them was involved in a crash.

The trailer, which was carrying the monkeys to a laboratory in Florida, collided with a dump truck on a motorway in Pennsylvania.

No-one was hurt, but four monkeys managed to escape.

Three have since been found, but one monkey remained unaccounted for on Saturday morning

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60095057

Monkeys used in covid testing were being transported but the transport vehicle got into a crash, and four monkeys escaped, three have been found, but one is on the loose

It's like the script from outbreak :lol

https://youtu.be/Y5povsMKfT4

SkinnyPupp
01-22-2022, 06:35 PM
Insanity. It’s fucking crazy that we continue to have restrictions on gatherings etc. when this is the guidance.

It’s getting to the point where it feels like Bonnie and Dix are behind the scenes giggling seeing how much longer they can flex their power over the masses
Seems to me that the new 'no longer forced to isolate' is them letting people use their discretion on whether they are still sick enough to be in public after getting covid. It must be frustrating to recover from covid, and you're no longer infectious, but you have to isolate additional days for no reason.

At the same time they don't want to have huge gatherings that turn into super spreaders. Say a Canucks game becomes a super spreader event. It could either be 16K (or whatever) people spreading it from there, or 8K with restrictions but not shut down. With 50% capacity, life can be somewhat normal, but they still want to avert total disaster.

Isn't that what you wanted? Actual sense is being used. Would you rather them just give up and let covid takes its course and just hope it isn't a total catastrophe?

hud 91gt
01-22-2022, 06:40 PM
I think they are just throwing in the towel until the next one.. Pi?

Hondaracer
01-22-2022, 06:46 PM
So hold on.. actual sense is you have a fever, and 30 hours later your back at work because you deem yourself not infectious? Literally DAYS after the guidance is to wait 3 days after symptoms arise to take a rapid test?

There is so much hypocrisy in this thread from you Covid die-hards lol. Like literally anything released by public health etc. is this gospel and then when logic dictates somthing else it can’t be questioned.

We’ve seemingly given up anyways, the people filling up ICU’s are not allowed into Canuck games, so yes, I’d prefer things are just opened up over these half-assed, convoluted messages that are open up to interpretation.

At some point it was very clear the public couldn’t be trusted to make their own decisions so the govt. steps in and puts in the vaccine passports, mandates, etc. now that their system has completely fallen apart TWO YEARS into this, it’s now up to the public to make a judgement call as to whether they are infectious or not? Lol!

This isn’t a matter of putting trust in the public’s hands, this is a utterly pathetic system that was barely functioning before omicron completely falling apart and them having no other choice.

whitev70r
01-22-2022, 07:14 PM
Now BC is allowing Covid +'ve patients in the same room as someone who is double vaccinated! This is kinda shocking but I think they must be so full of Covid patients, they don't have enough separate wards?

B.C. to allow COVID-positive and double-vaxxed patients to share hospital rooms

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/covid-hospital-sharing-rooms-1.6324385

Policy due to hospitals being overwhelmed with new cases, officials say.

Due to record-high hospitalizations, patients who have COVID-19 are being placed in the same room with double-vaccinated people who do not have the virus, British Columbia health officials said.

B.C. Provincial Health Officer Dr. Bonnie Henry confirmed the policy at a Friday news conference, responding to a specific question about the policy's use by the Fraser Health Authority.

It is unclear if the policy is limited to hospitals in Fraser Health, the province's largest health-care authority with 12 hospitals, and which hospitals have the policy in place.

SkinnyPupp
01-22-2022, 07:31 PM
"I can't believe they make everyone get tested and isolate. "Dr. Bonnie" doesn't know what she's doing. She should follow Boris Johnson and let the people make their own decisions. Trump was right."

"I can't believe they are letting people make their own decisions. "Dr Bonnie" doesn't know what she's doing. Covid die-hards."

Almost like no matter what decision is made, the same people will complain and call everyone else a "covid die-hard" and bring up Trump for some reason.

What is the one thing that is the right decision? Oh you don't know? Nobody does? Exactly!

MarkyMark
01-22-2022, 08:06 PM
The one right decision sure isn't singling out a couple of industries yet letting tons of others go ahead just fine. 50% capacity at Rogers arena = thousands in an area where no one actually wears a mask and half the crowd is lit VS going to a gym trying to stay in shape = sorry shut down without providing any data on their decisions. Just pick a lane and go with it, are we open or are we caring about the spread?

Hondaracer
01-22-2022, 08:17 PM
My Trump was right thing was 100% about the Remdesevir. But I get trump is a trigger word

SkinnyPupp
01-22-2022, 08:27 PM
Triggered

westopher
01-22-2022, 08:57 PM
You say enough things you’ll be right sometimes. He’s still the fuckin retard that suggested people inject bleach. He also didn’t come up with the fuckin idea of remdesivir.
You think he made the vaccines too?

68style
01-22-2022, 10:19 PM
Trump: "Guys... everything you can inject into yourself or consume in pill format may cure COVID including sunlight"

Doctors: "Remdesevir has some positive results after testing... bleach, sunlight, invermectin and Vitamin D not so much"

Trump: "Fuckin rights! NAILED IT!" *tiny fist pump/shin high air kick*

underscore
01-23-2022, 07:06 AM
Was Trump talking about Remdesevir before or after doctors determined the effectiveness? If it was before, it doesn't matter if it turned out to be correct later on, because he was pulling it out of his ass when he was saying it.

There is so much hypocrisy in this thread from you Covid die-hards lol. Like literally anything released by public health etc. is this gospel and then when logic dictates somthing else it can’t be questioned.

Oh the irony.

white rocket
01-23-2022, 11:00 AM
Meanwhile......in Australia. Hard to complain about Canada compared to this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOECcnfFPNQ

StylinRed
01-23-2022, 11:45 AM
They even arrest ppl who don't have/show their vax pass, there's recent viral vids of like 5 police officers throwing a lady into a paddy wagon bcuz of it :lol

mikemhg
01-23-2022, 12:49 PM
What's the deal down there for her? Like quarantine wise?
Guessing she needs a new negative test xx hours before the next flight now?

Me and two buddies going down in 2 weeks, to Sayulita 1hr north

Quick trip report.

We're back now, a total of 33 days in Puerto Vallarta, it was a breeze.

All in all the entire COVID experience down there was non-existent.

Rules for quarantine in Mexico are pretty much non-existent if you're asymptomatic and vaccinated, we played it safe after a few days and stayed to ourselves anyways.

I definitely recommend you get insurance though, it doesn't cost much more -- and covers your ass for food/accommodation.

Swoop were awesome -- they moved our flights to a later date (12 days later) without any cost, and neither of us purchased insurance on the flight portion. If you test positive they simply allow you to change flights once, carte blanche. No idea how these guys are making money, the flight was half empty the way down, and back.

I surmise travel insurance providers will revamp their COVID travel coverage rules in the near future, given it seems all these people traveling down to these destinations are catching COVID left and right. At a cost of an additional $50 or so, it's definitely a loss leader.

The irony of the whole thing? I tested negative with my GF testing positive the 1st time, and on my 2nd PCR test before flying back, negative once again. I still will never understand how she caught COVID being triple vaxxed, and me being double vaxxed, not at all.

We have a feeling we know when it happened, hanging out at a music lounge with a buddy who lives down there and his GF who is a nurse in Mexico. His GF ended up being sick with a "cold" a few days later.

What is fascinating is that you're almost better testing positive (if in a couples situation with the other person testing negative). With her testing positive, she didn't have to retest before flying back 12 days later, and by testing positive, she can fly and travel anywhere without a returning PCR test for the next 180 days. Isn't that crazy?

Had I tested positive for COVID on my 2nd PCR test before leaving, I would've had to stay (even while testing negative initially, and staying with a person who tested positive), and she would be fine to get home having tested positive 10 days prior.

Not going to lie, I was definitely nervous that the 2nd test would come back positive.

Maybe it's the weed smoking, it kept the COVID away? :lol

We plan to attend a birthday in Arizona in April, and Cabo in May, she won't need a PCR testing returning home from either trip, meanwhile I will (as per my negative results). Who would've thought that catching COVID would be beneficial for travel purposes?

Fun fact -- I ended up getting a night and morning of diarrhea after drinking this very Pina Colada on Playa Las Animas, only time I really got burned drinking blended drinks the whole trip :lol

https://i.ibb.co/rfxFTg7/FB6-E42-DE-64-DA-47-D6-A200-EAECB72101-AF.jpg

If you hike there, stick to the beers. Needless to say I wasn't smiling on the boat ride back to Boca De Tomatlan :lol

All in all, I say travel, the experience was fine, if you're on the fence, why waste another year of your life waiting?

68style
01-23-2022, 01:11 PM
Got damn Mike your legs are thick as my torso

Glad you’re back safe!

320icar
01-23-2022, 08:57 PM
Got damn Mike your **** is as thick as my torso

Glad you’re back safe!

Fixed that for you

68style
01-23-2022, 11:01 PM
Penis colada?

blkgsr
01-24-2022, 06:33 AM
cabo was covid "free" except the workers at the all inclusive and most locals in town at masks

mexico city; EVERYONE wore a mask and covid was taken very seriously.

Vancouver240sx
01-24-2022, 10:05 AM
cabo was covid "free" except the workers at the all inclusive and most locals in town at masks

mexico city; EVERYONE wore a mask and covid was taken very seriously.

Agree, mexico city people wear masks at all times even outside and most double masked. That being said, that is were I caught covid on new years. Also went to Puerto Vallarta, where everyone we spoke to got covid and had to extend their trip.

Rich

blkgsr
01-24-2022, 11:40 AM
i was there for new years but we stayed home because everything was shut down...even the local bars in our area and almost didn't get dinner because they all shut down at 8pm if i remember correctly. kinda sucked but oh well. we just netflix and chilled.

mikemhg
01-24-2022, 04:59 PM
One thing I found funny, not sure you noticed this in Mexico -- everyone wears their masks around the bend of the elbow/forearm when walking around.

Nothing wrong with that, just found it funny as I've never seen people do that up here.

CivicBlues
01-25-2022, 08:04 AM
Really? I do that in the summer when I have fewer pockets. A lot of women do that too if they venture out without a purse

Acura604
01-25-2022, 08:31 AM
Officially triple vaxxed 💉💉💉

Ok..so 3 needles stuck in us in less than a year... what are the chances we will need another cuz this kinda sucks

Hondaracer
01-25-2022, 08:42 AM
I love that Moderna is now running these cutesy radio ads for the booster, it sounds like it would be the ad for viagra or some boutique drug to ask your doctor about

Hehe sally is busy washing dishes for dinner so help her out and get your booster!

Uhg..

SumAznGuy
01-25-2022, 11:22 AM
I love that Moderna is now running these cutesy radio ads for the booster, it sounds like it would be the ad for viagra or some boutique drug to ask your doctor about

Hehe sally is busy washing dishes for dinner so help her out and get your booster!

Uhg..

Listening to sportsnet 650, they have been running a commercial for the BCCSA and it bothers me that they claim vaccinated people have a higher chance of catching covid.

I'd like to see how they got that info.

68style
01-25-2022, 11:30 AM
Nobody told me the Information Age would be so full of lies :okay:

westopher
01-25-2022, 11:44 AM
Age of information has passed and we’ve entered the age of opinion.

SkunkWorks
01-25-2022, 12:53 PM
Age of information has passed and we’ve entered the age of opinion.

reminds me of high school/undergrad science projects.

hypothesis = x
*only insert research that supports x*
conclusion = hypothesis is correct

68style
01-25-2022, 01:52 PM
I mean... that's pretty much how I passed half my classes in university... pick a topic about a book, find a searchable version of the book, search only for words that would support said topic and gather quotes... wrap writing around quotes. Declare my own genius. Done.

Hondaracer
01-25-2022, 03:20 PM
The “temporary” vaccine passport which could not have been laid out as more “temporary” if they had tried when it was initially announced is now extended 6 months lol.. fantastic

The Producer
01-25-2022, 05:52 PM
this is a bad call. there's no more blood to be had from this stone. no form of mandate of this type is going to increase vaccine uptake at this point - and that is the only reason for it's existence.

just more pain and more lost income for the people that have to keep implementing this system.

donk.
01-25-2022, 06:00 PM
kondratieff cycle sure is entering a questionable decade

I'm with westopher, me and my friends call it the age of disinformation

whitev70r
01-25-2022, 11:13 PM
Omicron BA.2 is here folks!

You can run but you can't hide.

Hondaracer
01-26-2022, 06:46 AM
Mark yesterday as the day Bonnie said the booster will NOT be added to the vaccine passport

The US, Canada, and the UK basically all follow the exact same trajectory of cases regardless of vaccination/booster uptake

lol and the infectious disease expert, Brian Conway on the news this morning - "50% of the world is completely unvaccinated, 90%+ of the African continent is unvaccinated"

TaKE YoUR 5tH BoOStER!!!

murd0c
01-26-2022, 10:58 AM
I finally have covid dammit, I'm just happy my work is ok with me taking 5 days off paid.

mikemhg
01-26-2022, 11:31 AM
^I agree with this.

It's frankly disgusting that we're talking about booster shots out here, meanwhile the majority of the third world hasn't even had their first dose.

It really is the new colonialism --rich countries sitting on surplus vaccines.

If we were so committed to fighting the possibility of new variants, as a world society we'd be putting more of an effort to rollout vaccines (and bypass patent clauses) to the third world.

We're not though, with companies like Moderna charging 2 times the cost of the vaccine in other countries:

https://fortune.com/2021/12/27/moderna-shareholder-revolts-covid-vaccine-inequality-operation-warp-speed-legal-general-oxfam-iccr/

I'm not even going to bother to get a booster shot at this point.

Mr.Money
01-26-2022, 03:23 PM
you have to remember humanity as a whole has always being selfish

MarkyMark
01-26-2022, 04:51 PM
Send my booster to Africa

JDMDreams
01-26-2022, 05:50 PM
Send the truckers and protestors to Africa :lawl::troll:

N.V.M.
01-27-2022, 05:28 AM
got a booster shot of Moderna. holy hell knocked the crap out if me. chills, aches, and tired. 2 days wasted.

pastarocket
01-27-2022, 07:21 AM
-looks like Turd may have caught Covid again. LUL


https://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/canada-news-pmn/prime-minister-justin-trudeau-says-he-is-isolating-after-learning-of-covid-exposure


OTTAWA — Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says he is isolating at home after learning that he was exposed to someone who had tested positive for COVID-19.

The prime minister says in a tweet that he learned about the exposure just last night.

He says the result of a rapid antigen test he took was negative, but he is following local public health rules and isolating for five days.

Trudeau says he will be working from home during that stretch.

Several of Trudeau’s cabinet ministers in recent weeks have had to isolate after positive tests, or because they were potentially exposed to the virus.

Trudeau is set to call foreign leaders today and address the Liberal caucus at a virtual retreat.

This report by The Canadian Press was first published Jan. 27, 2022.

westopher
01-27-2022, 08:03 AM
I literally thought we didn’t have to isolate with close contacts unless we showed symptoms, if we were vaccinated? Maybe that’s only for low wage workers lol.

Great68
01-27-2022, 08:25 AM
got a booster shot of Moderna. holy hell knocked the crap out if me. chills, aches, and tired. 2 days wasted.

My wife got her booster yesterday which was moderna. She's laying in bed right now feeling like crap, had to take the day off.

I get my booster this afternoon, not looking forward to it.

Our previous 2 shots were Pfizer and all we had were sore arms.

Hondaracer
01-27-2022, 08:26 AM
Booster worse than Covid?

Great68
01-27-2022, 08:35 AM
Dunno, I don't know if either of us ever actually officially had covid or not.

blkgsr
01-27-2022, 08:47 AM
my moderna shot shot had me feeling better than after my AZ and P shots.

just a sore arm and actually my P shot wasn't that bad either.

320icar
01-27-2022, 09:07 AM
I literally thought we didn’t have to isolate with close contacts unless we showed symptoms, if we were vaccinated? Maybe that’s only for low wage workers lol.

This. If my work followed protocol and you had to isolate for known exposure, we’d be shut down for weeks.

Easier to let everyone get sick while simultaneously slashing the payroll budget so the remaining poor saps get worked to death in a stressful environment

mikemhg
01-27-2022, 10:11 AM
-looks like Turd may have caught Covid again. LUL


https://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/canada-news-pmn/prime-minister-justin-trudeau-says-he-is-isolating-after-learning-of-covid-exposure


OTTAWA — Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says he is isolating at home after learning that he was exposed to someone who had tested positive for COVID-19.

The prime minister says in a tweet that he learned about the exposure just last night.

He says the result of a rapid antigen test he took was negative, but he is following local public health rules and isolating for five days.

Trudeau says he will be working from home during that stretch.

Several of Trudeau’s cabinet ministers in recent weeks have had to isolate after positive tests, or because they were potentially exposed to the virus.

Trudeau is set to call foreign leaders today and address the Liberal caucus at a virtual retreat.

This report by The Canadian Press was first published Jan. 27, 2022.

:lol :lol :lol

Can't wait to see the FB/IG posts from the knuckle draggers.

"He's hiding away because he's scared of the trucker convoy!!!! FASCIST PIG"

SkinnyPupp
01-27-2022, 06:18 PM
I found out about the "freedom convoy" set up by idiot "wexits" and raised like $4 million in gofundme WutFace

I wonder if people will be as quick to support breaking this one up as they are with first nations blockades? $4 million raised, maybe not?

The world is going to shit

SkinnyPupp
01-27-2022, 06:20 PM
Booster worse than Covid?
I'll take a few days of chills over having destroyed lungs and heart and dick for the rest of my life LUL

whitev70r
01-27-2022, 08:06 PM
Bro .. they are all running on diesel or gas ... and a lot of it for this convoy.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1486772334635536395

westopher
01-27-2022, 08:09 PM
Posted in the Bitcoin thread yesterday about Elon when someone said he’s nothing like trump.
They are both doing an excellent job of appealing to the movement of “white men oppressed by communism”

68style
01-27-2022, 08:15 PM
Elon’s on a big freedom kick today… cuz you know… there’s so little liberty in life when you only have 240 billion dollars.

I’m sure the truckers and people having a tough time eating at their favourite restaurant share a real kinship with him over how limited their life has become.

donk.
01-27-2022, 08:18 PM
Booster worse than Covid?

You spelled Booster wrong, it's gene therapy

skidz has entered the chat

Manic!
01-27-2022, 08:50 PM
They are going to Ottawa to over throw the government. From what Im reading on facebook they claim they have 50k truckers coming from Canada and another 50K from the US. LOL.

One of the organizers of the trucker convoy.

https://twitter.com/VestsCanada/status/1159997274900041729?fbclid=IwAR18Mk_W55I6gILx9IzWB zGXY9NPgj0hnBosoGmPcd_poLCC0eqPpbcHXM

underscore
01-27-2022, 09:26 PM
I've seen lots of big claims, but reused footage from completely unrelated events so I have my doubts lol.

mb_
01-27-2022, 10:18 PM
:lol :lol :lol

Can't wait to see the FB/IG posts from the knuckle draggers.

"He's hiding away because he's scared of the trucker convoy!!!! FASCIST PIG"

Reading Facebook/IG comments has been entertaining :lawl:

Manic!
01-27-2022, 11:15 PM
You can sign their memorandum of understanding here. I signed as MC Hammer


https://canada-unity.com/mou/?fbclid=IwAR23moPG1zaWl9L0wUovlTjNqZDYfHKD4YbV8dhD 1EFDJ4rSKtyiM2AtAp0

El Bastardo
01-28-2022, 06:02 AM
You can sign their memorandum of understanding here. I signed as MC Hammer




https://i.imgur.com/hm6TPIh.jpg



I have to go through three pages of Captchas identifying what a traffic light looks like but suddenly your digital image checker can tell with absolute accuracy that picture of a penis is NOT the same a signature?

SumAznGuy
01-28-2022, 08:18 AM
3rd time in 2 months and 6th time since 2020 that I have to quarantine at home because someone at work tested positive for covid.
Good thing I have the option to WFH.

So far no symptoms.

Just glad my employer isn't pushing the back to office mandate.

SkunkWorks
01-28-2022, 08:23 AM
https://i.imgur.com/hm6TPIh.jpg

I have to go through three pages of Captchas identifying what a traffic light looks like but suddenly your digital image checker can tell with absolute accuracy that picture of a penis is NOT the same a signature?

Hello, Sukh Madiq.

Hondaracer
01-28-2022, 08:35 AM
3rd time in 2 months and 6th time since 2020 that I have to quarantine at home because someone at work tested positive for covid.
Good thing I have the option to WFH.

So far no symptoms.

Just glad my employer isn't pushing the back to office mandate.

Your employer doesn’t have proper procedures in place. There’s no need to quarantine even with close contact with a positive case if you’re fully vaccinated

Unless when you say quarantine you just mean shifting back to WFH

SumAznGuy
01-28-2022, 08:51 AM
Your employer doesn’t have proper procedures in place. There’s no need to quarantine even with close contact with a positive case if you’re fully vaccinated

Unless when you say quarantine you just mean shifting back to WFH

No, we have proper procedures in place. National company that is publicly traded, we are going above the "recommended" policy by Bonnie Henry.

Being told to stay away from the office and to work from home for the next 5 days and 10 days if I show symptoms.
Coworker recovered from Omicron 2 weeks ago and he isn't allowed back to the office either.

Hondaracer
01-28-2022, 09:10 AM
Lol..so I work for a company that is probably within the same bracket if not larger, WITH doctors on staff..and given our workforce is mostly technicians who need to be present to do jobs we follow the lesser guidelines :badpokerface:

Although a friend of mine who is in charge of health and safety for a huge company that deals with the ports etc. also goes by BC’s guidelines.

Hakkaboy
01-28-2022, 09:15 AM
Lol..so I work for a company that is probably within the same bracket if not larger, WITH doctors on staff..and given our workforce is mostly technicians who need to be present to do jobs we follow the lesser guidelines :badpokerface:

Although a friend of mine who is in charge of health and safety for a huge company that deals with the ports etc. also goes by BC’s guidelines.

The Canucks were just following the minimum guidelines last year too...look at how well it turned out for them. They have doctors on staff too, didn't they?

Hondaracer
01-28-2022, 09:17 AM
The Canucks were just following the minimum guidelines last year too...look at how well it turned out for them. They have doctors on staff too, didn't they?

Coughs and a tickly throat?

Hakkaboy
01-28-2022, 09:21 AM
Coughs and a tickly throat?

Sure, if you say so.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/brandon-sutters-ongoing-covid-battle-different-uncle-darryls/

68style
01-28-2022, 10:06 AM
When are the truckers arriving?

Boy I sure wish I was smart enough to drive a truck and do research online. Very specialized industry, totally irreplaceable workforce. I mean if they threaten to quit what will we ever do?

I saw one kindly gentleman on television last night… he cried out “It’s about our freedom! Our freedom of charter and rights!”

I’m sure he meant the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, which he may not have had time to read while researching online, but anyone would make the same mistake at such an emotional moment in their life.

westopher
01-28-2022, 10:19 AM
Sure, if you say so.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/brandon-sutters-ongoing-covid-battle-different-uncle-darryls/
“Well it wasn’t that bad for me so who cares about anyone else. #freedom #nomandate #justincastro”

sdubfid
01-28-2022, 10:24 AM
The Canucks were just following the minimum guidelines last year too...look at how well it turned out for them. They have doctors on staff too, didn't they?

The only way to avoid any risk would be to have each player locked in a biodome growing their own food. The first 80% of results come from 20% of inputs. To get the last 20% of results requires 80% more effort hence the biodome.

This shows true with vaccines as well. To get the last 20% vaccinated will require much more effort than the first 80%

Manic!
01-28-2022, 10:40 AM
Rogan claimed 50k truckers were coming in his podcast. LOL!!!

https://scontent.fyvr3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/s851x315/272932926_10165743979995307_8317965662151278511_n. jpg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=dbeb18&_nc_ohc=JKZGD_ynJGkAX8gtEp8&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr3-1.fna&oh=00_AT9KYfrCgjqRz8xVKbetZKMywIz9bc6UQMkVjYb3Nsmr og&oe=61F88FFE

I knew this was not a trucker protest when I didn't see a single turban.
Over 60% of the trucking industry is Punjabi.

SumAznGuy
01-28-2022, 10:52 AM
Rogan claimed 50k truckers were coming in his podcast. LOL!!!

https://scontent.fyvr3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/s851x315/272932926_10165743979995307_8317965662151278511_n. jpg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=dbeb18&_nc_ohc=JKZGD_ynJGkAX8gtEp8&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr3-1.fna&oh=00_AT9KYfrCgjqRz8xVKbetZKMywIz9bc6UQMkVjYb3Nsmr og&oe=61F88FFE

I knew this was not a trucker protest when I didn't see a single turban.
Over 60% of the trucking industry is Punjabi.

They were out in full force when they were protesting on Saturday.
But I guess earning a living is more important than this vaccine mandate.

Manic!
01-28-2022, 11:03 AM
They were out in full force when they were protesting on Saturday.
But I guess earning a living is more important than this vaccine mandate.

They where protesting unsafe highway conditions.

https://globalnews.ca/news/8531929/truckers-rally-bc-road-safety/

Hundreds of British Columbia truckers took to the roads in Metro Vancouver on Saturday to protest what they say is poor highway maintenance and dangerous driving conditions.

An estimated 150 big rigs gathered in Surrey on Saturday morning before proceeding in a convoy to downtown Vancouver.

“We’re going to light a candle there in the memory of all the truck drivers who have lost their lives on the highways, who have gone to earn bread for their families but did not make it home because of the highway conditions,” said Vijaydeep Sahasi, president of the West Coast Trucking Association.

westopher
01-28-2022, 11:35 AM
The amount of fucking idiots I saw posting on Saturday talking about “OHHHH MSM LIAR PROTEST IS 4 FREEDOM”
Like no you fucking idiots, it’s about the road conditions. Not everything is a fucking conspiracy by the media. Literally 9 seconds of reading would tell you what it’s about, or listening to a single person in the convoys interview, but it’s easier to read a headline and consider yourself victimized.

SkunkWorks
01-28-2022, 01:01 PM
“Well it wasn’t that bad for me so who cares about anyone else. #freedom #nomandate #justincastro”

Ironically it wasn't that bad for him cause he was vaccinated. Who would've thought.

bUt i hUrD oN rAdiO vAcCinE BADDD #turd

SumAznGuy
01-28-2022, 01:10 PM
Ironically it wasn't that bad for him cause he was vaccinated. Who would've thought.

bUt i hUrD oN rAdiO vAcCinE BADDD #turd

Just had a funny conversation with someone.

"Friend got covid and gave it to his whole family. Son in ICU.

Son and wife didn't get vaccine.

But wife is ok, no problem at all"

FailFish

68style
01-28-2022, 01:16 PM
^ “Didn’t like that kid anyway, can always make another”

Hondaracer
01-28-2022, 01:20 PM
Ironically it wasn't that bad for him cause he was vaccinated. Who would've thought.

bUt i hUrD oN rAdiO vAcCinE BADDD #turd

Fully vaccinated, think vaccines are amazing etc. was always onboard with them moreso because they limit my lifestyle but I was never opposed to vaccines. I may have had some questions but the second I got my notification was more than happy to take the shot.

However it’s quite the assumption my case would have been any worse without one given I haven’t been sick once in like 15 years and the odds of having a serious case were next to nothing even before omicron.

Someone mentioned before “statistics don’t really matter when it’s your young child who can’t breathe” and I agree completely.

However, the odds of me ever having a serious case even prior to vaccination were incredibly slim. I’m in basically the lower risk group, low risk lifestyle. Live fairly healthy, can afford vitamins, supplement, go for Semi annual blood work, I know T cells and other indicators are good etc.

It’s not just a coincidence my case was mild, That’s the norm.

We’ve gotten completely away from actually looking at the numbers and have just started living through anecdotes of hearsay

El Bastardo
01-28-2022, 01:25 PM
https://scontent.fyvr3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/s851x315/272932926_10165743979995307_8317965662151278511_n. jpg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=dbeb18&_nc_ohc=JKZGD_ynJGkAX8gtEp8&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr3-1.fna&oh=00_AT9KYfrCgjqRz8xVKbetZKMywIz9bc6UQMkVjYb3Nsmr og&oe=61F88FFE





I didn't expect to see this


Rob Schneider tweeted something out in support of the truckers because he's transitioning to a right wing comedian for some reason? I support civil disobedience but I won't take someone who made some of the worst movies of the late 90s to early 2000s to be a source of credible info on anything but being box office poison.

Since I wasn't sure about the accuracy of the statement so I weaponized my autism and checked the numbers. Here is my study.

Oh, and in honour of Schneider's transition to a conservative comedian, I have adorned my rigorous study with images from his 2002 gender-bending classic "The Hot Chick".



https://i.imgur.com/Qs37Rym.jpg

inv4zn
01-28-2022, 01:52 PM
lol, someone coined #FluTruxKlan.

MAGA hats, confederate flags, and holocaust references. All by the people who claim "ThE lEfT hAvE nO jObS". Stupid fucking idiots.

underscore
01-28-2022, 01:58 PM
Rogan claimed 50k truckers were coming in his podcast. LOL!!!

https://scontent.fyvr3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/s851x315/272932926_10165743979995307_8317965662151278511_n. jpg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=dbeb18&_nc_ohc=JKZGD_ynJGkAX8gtEp8&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr3-1.fna&oh=00_AT9KYfrCgjqRz8xVKbetZKMywIz9bc6UQMkVjYb3Nsmr og&oe=61F88FFE

I knew this was not a trucker protest when I didn't see a single turban.
Over 60% of the trucking industry is Punjabi.

A good friend of mine who is a truck driver says he has seen zero change in truck traffic.

inv4zn
01-28-2022, 02:21 PM
A good friend of mine who is a truck driver says he has seen zero change in truck traffic.

That's because there are 420,000 commercial trucks in Canada, and 0.00036% of them are in a line up demanding dumb things.

Manic!
01-28-2022, 02:47 PM
Warning you might die laughing.

https://imgur.com/a/vMqFz7m


Rob Schneider has been antivax long before covid.

Great68
01-28-2022, 03:03 PM
Yikes, I guess dentists interfere with her freedom too.

whitev70r
01-28-2022, 03:09 PM
Damn ... that's a long ass convoy ... I mean traffic jam. Why would people voluntarily drive into a traffic jam ??? Imagine the time idling.

I was fine with it until the crayzies jumped onto the convoy. I really didn't think the government needed to pick a huge fight with truckers when their work didn't involve a whole lot of interaction with other people. So go ahead and peacefully protest but now ... all the antivaxxers, freedom fighters are coming out of the closet and saying, 'We love truckers!'

SkinnyPupp
01-28-2022, 04:19 PM
I have a friend from high school on facebook who is a trucker and posts stuff like this (I've posted his memes before too)

https://i.imgur.com/ZSw8drs.jpg

I was hoping he'd be in the convoy so I could get some comedic gold, but he hasn't posted in a week FeelsBadMan

Manic!
01-28-2022, 04:34 PM
They are using push to talk app called zello to communicate. I hope some people are recording it. Here are the some of the channels they are on if you want to listen in.

convoy to Ottawa (this is the main one)

++CONVOY TO OTTAWA++

USA. Big rigs

convoy south

convoy west

convoy to ottawa 2.0

convoi Quebec Ottawa

convoy east

Convoy to Ottawa +

Hondaracer
01-28-2022, 06:16 PM
https://youtu.be/BErtcFhhmIY

Mandate freedom baby!

Unfortunately I seem to fall within the supporter demo of that 35-65 white person :pokerface:

SkinnyPupp
01-28-2022, 06:30 PM
https://youtu.be/BErtcFhhmIY

Mandate freedom baby!

Unfortunately I seem to fall within the supporter demo of that 35-65 white person :pokerface:
The most oppressed demo in all of Canada

CRS
01-28-2022, 06:55 PM
https://scontent.fyvr3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/s600x600/272905904_10159563818439210_1082518765607985447_n. jpg?_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=33aSHo2ebqoAX_qiS8p&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr3-1.fna&oh=00_AT-DdjtMRIaTKTy83etHmOemwgqQeJOmzLic5D0cjEdwCg&oe=61F92AC3

whitev70r
01-28-2022, 07:40 PM
Hondaracer bro, why aren't you with the convoy?! C'mon man, put your 'money where your mouth is' instead of typing on a forum.

68style
01-28-2022, 08:49 PM
I have a friend from high school on facebook who is a trucker and posts stuff like this (I've posted his memes before too)

I was hoping he'd be in the convoy so I could get some comedic gold, but he hasn't posted in a week FeelsBadMan

I seen this one too... it blows my mind... like... is that supposed to be a positive thing? Besides the ridiculousness of saying any PM of Canada is a dictator by even the remotest sense of the word... it's somehow cooler to have a badass dictator? I don't get it even after excusing the dictator part.

Oh yah cool our dictator is fearsome and more likely to kill us indiscriminately instead of be a candyass... weeeeee winninggggg

SkinnyPupp
01-28-2022, 09:03 PM
I seen this one too... it blows my mind... like... is that supposed to be a positive thing? Besides the ridiculousness of saying any PM of Canada is a dictator by even the remotest sense of the word... it's somehow cooler to have a badass dictator? I don't get it even after excusing the dictator part.

Oh yah cool our dictator is fearsome and more likely to kill us indiscriminately instead of be a candyass... weeeeee winninggggg
The weirdest thing about all these memes is how many of them sexualize Trudeau and fetishize him.. Like all these fat hairy white guys definitely want to suck his dick. Like really, really badly

68style
01-28-2022, 09:35 PM
I mean I’m not a fan of Trudeau, neither hate him or like him, but he literally beat people at boxing did he not?

I’ve never seen anything about Putin athletically except clips of national team level hockey players letting him score in a game to pump up his ego.

But he’s supposed to be so tough and manly?

CRS
01-28-2022, 09:39 PM
Putin was in the KGB... I mean that's definitely something to scoff at.

inv4zn
01-28-2022, 09:59 PM
Putin was in the KGB... I mean that's definitely something to scoff at.

...I think you mean nothing to scoff at...unless I guess you're like in the KGB and Mossad at the same time.

https://i.redd.it/wvk0wigbuie81.jpg

68style
01-28-2022, 10:41 PM
Putin was in the KGB... I mean that's definitely something to scoff at.

Yah… As an intelligence officer and translator… several former agents have said he was doing little more than collecting press clippings and keeping tabs on foreigners.

He wasn’t out assassinating people.

I’m not out to scoff at the guy although I do hate his guts…. But this glorification of him as some fuckin badass is ridiculously unearned.

320icar
01-28-2022, 11:39 PM
Putin was in the KGB... I mean that's definitely something to scoff at.

There’s a lot of great documentaries out there on the subject. He was a pencil pusher, not an ‘operative’

Bouncing Bettys
01-29-2022, 10:47 AM
There’s a lot of great documentaries out there on the subject. He was a pencil pusher, not an ‘operative’
But he regularly pots 9 goals a game in his late 60's. Totally legit.

Manic!
01-29-2022, 10:56 AM
https://twitter.com/CharmainKB16/status/1487209270227709952

donk.
01-29-2022, 11:30 AM
Too many hippies on the road today, knuckle dragger convoy confirmed in Vancouver

Don't people have actual hobbies?

StylinRed
01-29-2022, 11:30 AM
Yah… As an intelligence officer and translator… several former agents have said he was doing little more than collecting press clippings and keeping tabs on foreigners.

He wasn’t out assassinating people.

I’m not out to scoff at the guy although I do hate his guts…. But this glorification of him as some fuckin badass is ridiculously unearned.

Even when fox news n other mericuh "experts" tried to discredit his judo skills, they were still impressed by them and admitted he was likely legit lethal when he was younger

mikemhg
01-29-2022, 12:25 PM
https://twitter.com/CharmainKB16/status/1487209270227709952

"You will answer to god, and he will send you straight to fucking hell".

Man, this shit is making me sad. It's 2022, and here we are starting to look like the US.

I never quite realized we had such a major evangelical demographic in this country. I suppose it has always there, but never a fundamental trigger to bring it out.

whitev70r
01-29-2022, 12:34 PM
Apparently, there is local truck convoy DT YVR causing a traffic mess!

Hondaracer ... what's it like down there in the epicenter?

Hondaracer
01-29-2022, 12:39 PM
Dunno im in the sleeper cab of a Peterbuilt on Capitol Hill

https://i.imgur.com/4tJ1VVl.jpg

Manic!
01-29-2022, 12:50 PM
I have been listing to Zello and I give up, going to do some woodworking. It's sad hearing little kids on there saying things like " thankyou truckers for our freeeedooms" and you hear their parents in the background coaching them. Then hearing some dude say " it's great to hear so many young free thinkers. Dude the kids 5.

westopher
01-29-2022, 01:08 PM
Just remember, when you don’t get what you want, don’t take the time to think how your actions affect others. Just have a temper tantrum and compare your plight to Jews in WW2, ok little billy?

StylinRed
01-29-2022, 01:42 PM
"You will answer to god, and he will send you straight to fucking hell".

Man, this shit is making me sad. It's 2022, and here we are starting to look like the US.

I never quite realized we had such a major evangelical demographic in this country. I suppose it has always there, but never a fundamental trigger to bring it out.

I blame it on all the Americans we allow to immigrate up here :badpokerface:

Hondaracer
01-29-2022, 01:50 PM
Liberals have been writing laws allowing all this religious freedom BS and now we have people Protesting we aren’t allowing these people associated with fringe terrorist groups in under the immigration act.

It’s not just these archaic catholic/Christian ideologies, it’s all garbage.

westopher
01-29-2022, 01:55 PM
https://apple.news/AFBdTyr4wQC28c76dBCknqQ


A statue of Terry Fox near the Parliament buildings in Ottawa was defaced Saturday during the protest against COVID-19 restrictions, sparking widespread condemnation.
A photo circulated online of the statue with a sign saying “Mandate Freedom” stuck to it, and holding an upside-down Canadian flag. Another Canadian flag was tied around the statue’s neck.
Ottawa Mayor Jim Watson tweeted Saturday afternoon that he had asked staff to remove the sign and flag.

But after those were removed, people continued to place other objects around the statue, including another Canadian flag and a sign saying “He will not divide Canada.”
Fox, long considered one of Canada’s most iconic and heroic figures, died of cancer at the age of 22 in 1981, after having run cross-country with a prosthetic leg to raise funds for cancer research, dubbed the Marathon of Hope.
“Terry Fox died of cancer that he exacerbated on his Marathon of Hope running across Canada trying to raise money to fight a deadly disease — quite the opposite of what’s happening here,” tweeted former Conservative Canadian heritage minister James Moore on Saturday.
“Have a protest, do your thing, don’t disrespect this monument of a Canadian hero.”
Thousands of protesters opposing COVID-19 restrictions and vaccine mandates gathered on Parliament Hill Saturday, including truckers from a convoy that travelled across Canada this week.
Multiple people took to social media to call out what happened to the statue.
“I’m the Mayor of Terry Fox’s hometown. He’s our city’s hero, national inspiration and an unifier,” tweeted Brad West, mayor of Port Coquitlam, B.C. “Whatever your cause, you don’t get to appropriate his legacy and you don’t touch his statue. Ever. This should be removed immediately.”
Toronto doctor Andrew Baback Boozary pointed out that Fox “sacrificed everything for people with cancer.
“Shameful as there are now thousands without access to cancer treatments as our hospitals care for the unvaccinated,” he tweeted.
The Terry Fox Foundation also tweeted out a photo of the statue, untouched, but without referring directly to Saturday’s events.
“The Terry Fox Foundation is proud to continue Terry’s mission of funding cancer research,” the foundation tweeted. “Terry believed in science and gave his life to help others. Thank you to all of our supporters who help us work toward realizing Terry’s dream of a world without cancer.”

BlackV62K2
01-29-2022, 02:04 PM
Apparently, there is local truck convoy DT YVR causing a traffic mess!

Hondaracer ... what's it like down there in the epicenter?

Saw this shit. Nobody in the city gives a shit about these protesters. Most of the trucks I saw are beat up pickup trucks. Go drive around Chilliwack where people might give you the attention.

whitev70r
01-29-2022, 02:07 PM
The Terry Fox statue thing 'defaced' is a bit overblown. I expected paint to be poured over it or something .. they just draped some flags on it and made him carry a placard. That's the Canadian way. Once they start painting it or doing permanent shit to it, then I'll start getting upset.

https://images.thestar.com/nuBlVqHTNcl_C9VArI_jpXarMug=/968x839/smart/filters:cb(1643492055209)/https://www.thestar.com/content/dam/thestar/politics/federal/2022/01/29/terry-fox-statue-defaced-in-ottawa-sparking-condemnation/embed_fox_statue_late_saturday_afternoon.jpg

westopher
01-29-2022, 02:19 PM
The point remains that terry fox would have been one of the people with their surgeries delayed due to an ICU that wouldn’t be nearly as full if people were vaccinated. I’m quite sure many of these people aren’t exactly models of health that are going to be in mint condition when they are infected.

BlackV62K2
01-29-2022, 02:23 PM
Man-Karen and Karen's continue to waste their lives throwing temper tantrums while the rest of society moves on and carry on with life.

RiceIntegraRS
01-29-2022, 02:55 PM
driving home on hwy1. protesters in there vehicles from grandview exit all the way to brunette taking up 2 lanes all the way. im glad i managed to avoid that mess

StylinRed
01-29-2022, 03:23 PM
They're flying the Nazi flag at the protest

https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/sfql2g/nazi_flag_during_freedom_convoy_protest_at/

320icar
01-29-2022, 05:29 PM
Saw this shit. Nobody in the city gives a shit about these protesters. Most of the trucks I saw are beat up pickup trucks. Go drive around Chilliwack where people might give you the attention.

The one person on my social feed who posted herself in this stupid shitbrigade lives in chillawack LOL

320icar
01-29-2022, 05:34 PM
All these “model citizens” that are fighting for our freedom, one meme templet comes to mind.



https://i.imgur.com/VD09afj.jpg

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/429/100/700.jpg

https://i.imgflip.com/4kmhpg.jpg

https://c.tenor.com/5rE2ZfDnS0kAAAAd/brainlet-brainlet-bike.gif

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/024/207/brainlettttt.jpg

https://i.imgflip.com/40wdmy.jpg

https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/az1zj1m_460s.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EaHGTlGXQAI1m_N.jpg

God I love memes.

Presto
01-29-2022, 07:00 PM
https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2022/01/29/terry-fox-monument-vaccine-protest/

With thousands of protestors swarming Ottawa, photos of the Terry Fox monument holding an upside down Canadian flag are flooding social media.

The memorial statue has been defaced with a sign saying, “mandate freedom,” wrapped around it, a flag wrapped around its neck, and an upside-down flag propped in its hand.

Terry Fox was a Canadian hero from Port Coquitlam, B.C.

In 1980, after having a leg amputated due to cancer, Fox embarked on a cross-country run to raise money and awareness for cancer research.

The Terry Fox Foundation is proud to continue Terry’s mission of funding cancer research. Terry believed in science and gave his life to help others. Thank you to all of our supporters who help us work toward realizing Terry’s dream of a world without cancer.

Brad West, the mayor of Port Coquitlam, Fox’s hometown, says he is mortified by what has been done to the monument.

“Whoever thought that was a good idea, not only is there something wrong with them and they’re thinking, but what they’ve actually done is probably the opposite of what they intended. If they had any other message that they were trying to get out their messages lost.

“Now they got probably hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people in this country who are going to see what they did to the Terry Fox statue and be absolutely disgusted.”

West says he believes people in Port Coquitlam are going to be deeply offended by the defacement, and says he wished he was closer to Ottawa to remove the items.

“I wish we lived a little closer to Ottawa because I would be jumping in my truck, driving there and taking that crap off the statue myself.”

Crowds of trucks have jammed Ottawa streets and crowds packed Parliament Hill on Saturday to protest the federal Liberal government, vaccine mandates and COVID-19 restrictions, with thousands more expected to arrive by end-of-day.

Amidst the protest, the Trudeau family has reportedly been moved to an undisclosed location.

Police have also warned their intelligence is flagging the potential for violence. Local law enforcement is working with the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, RCMP and other agencies to identify any potential threats to public safety.

:fulloffuck:

Makes my blood boil

SkinnyPupp
01-29-2022, 07:40 PM
“I wish we lived a little closer to Ottawa because I would be jumping in my truck, driving there and taking that crap off the statue myself.”

And then get jumped by Nazis

Teriyaki
01-29-2022, 07:54 PM
I'm not a vindictive person by any means, but I sure hope that those disgraceful idiots get cancer. like today.

underscore
01-29-2022, 08:20 PM
Well none of them are vaccinated, wearing masks, or taking any sort of precautions so COVID might take out quite a few of them in the next little while. The hospitals in the area are going to be fucked though.

MarkyMark
01-29-2022, 08:29 PM
Well they probably didn't give a shit about Covid even at it's deadliest so most of them might be fine, but they need to fuck off with this Terry Fox shit because this is the last thing he would want his name attached to.

CorneringArtist
01-29-2022, 08:43 PM
The chucklefucks in Ottawa also desecrated the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. Someone fucking DIED there trying to guard it seven years ago.

westopher
01-29-2022, 09:18 PM
This country sucks and I hate it right now. We are just as fucking shitty as Americans. I’ve never been so embarrassed to be Canadian.

JSALES
01-29-2022, 09:43 PM
https://youtu.be/UAAwTlCp3OE

Lol all the YouTube comments

MarkyMark
01-29-2022, 10:36 PM
This country sucks and I hate it right now. We are just as fucking shitty as Americans. I’ve never been so embarrassed to be Canadian.

I agree that those people suck, but I don't believe it represents the vast majority of this country and I don't agree this country is something to be embarrassed of.

Just as shitty as the USA? Shit down there you have to be worried about being shot, shot by a cop, and if you happen to avoid that the bridge out of town might collapse while you're driving over it.

sdubfid
01-30-2022, 12:10 AM
A good example of how easy the media can craft whatever they want. And how your views determine how you absorb it. There are 3 sides to every coin. Heads, tails and the edge. If you’re heads or tails you can’t see the other side. If you’re on the edge you can see both.

From a few pictures some revsceners have determined everyone associated with the convoy is homosexual, fat, hairy, white, Jew killing, chilliwack residing, grave stomping vandals. If that’s not enough then they are compared to Americans which there are over 300 million of.

320icar
01-30-2022, 12:49 AM
A good example of how easy the media can craft whatever they want. And how your views determine how you absorb it. There are 3 sides to every coin. Heads, tails and the edge. If you’re heads or tails you can’t see the other side. If you’re on the edge you can see both.

From a few pictures some revsceners have determined everyone associated with the convoy is homosexual, fat, hairy, white, Jew killing, chilliwack residing, grave stomping vandals. If that’s not enough then they are compared to Americans which there are over 300 million of.

This sums it up pretty well.

https://i.ibb.co/vHpZfJb/09901419-88-D5-4-DF0-886-F-08-E7-FBA48266.jpg (https://ibb.co/Tk6mJHZ)
temporary image host (https://imgbb.com/)

SkinnyPupp
01-30-2022, 02:06 AM
A good example of how easy the media can craft whatever they want. And how your views determine how you absorb it. There are 3 sides to every coin. Heads, tails and the edge. If you’re heads or tails you can’t see the other side. If you’re on the edge you can see both.

From a few pictures some revsceners have determined everyone associated with the convoy is homosexual, fat, hairy, white, Jew killing, chilliwack residing, grave stomping vandals. If that’s not enough then they are compared to Americans which there are over 300 million of.
Yeah we really need to stop and think "I wonder what that nazi's perspective is on this?"

Manic!
01-30-2022, 02:08 AM
Spotify stock price down 2 billion. I wonder why.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/spotify-loses-2-billion-stock-182108629.html

westopher
01-30-2022, 06:12 AM
I agree that those people suck, but I don't believe it represents the vast majority of this country and I don't agree this country is something to be embarrassed of.

Just as shitty as the USA? Shit down there you have to be worried about being shot, shot by a cop, and if you happen to avoid that the bridge out of town might collapse while you're driving over it.

The US is also the vast majority of great people. I’m more talking about perception. Seeing the stories BBC and other major worldwide broadcasters are showing. It’s sad. We look like idiots.
There are hundreds of people carrying trump banners, calling for journalists to be killed, comparing medical treatment to the holocaust. This isn’t a media spin. We see this from people every day and it’s spectacularly easy to see it becoming more prevalent. It’s spreading like wildfire. People who have never engaged in political dialogue or social media activism all of a sudden think they are freedoms fighters. Where were you when Derek Sloan attacked woman’s reproductive rights, now he’s your hero for body autonomy? Where were you when w’etsueten land defenders were blocking the path of the pipeline on unceded territory. We’re you calling for their arrest, calling them terrorists and now you are hailing the trucker convoy as heroes for doing the same because it finally inconveniences you?
It’s garbage.

*to be clear I’m not accusing you of any of this. Just using the Royal you.

SkinnyPupp
01-30-2022, 06:37 AM
Interesting graph here:

(Singapore's first case of Omicron was December 9)

They are 88% double vaxxed, 58% triple

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FKXCXDlVgAsrlZ_.jpg

inv4zn
01-30-2022, 06:38 AM
Spotify stock price down 2 billion. I wonder why.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/spotify-loses-2-billion-stock-182108629.html

Nazis, duhh.

https://i.redd.it/zt1a8henlqe81.jpg

underscore
01-30-2022, 08:07 AM
https://twitter.com/fMRI_guy/status/963613417662746624

whitev70r
01-30-2022, 08:26 AM
If the worst this gets is some people draping a flag on Terry Fox statue and putting a placard on him, this is tame. If this was a rally or march for the environment (something presumably most of us would be on board for), you'd still get some antifa weirdos ... to have shit disturbers at any event, especially one this size is to be expected but I'm with MarkyMark ... I don't think the cray crays are as many as the media makes it out to be so don't drink the coolaid. Hell even at a local car meet, you get some dumbasses burning out, drawing attention to the cops, and ruining it for everyone else.

It begs the question if this could be all avoided. A few of us (El Bastard) had a short exchange about whether a vaccine mandate was necessary for truckers and of all the sectors that the gov't wanted to pick a fight with, I don't think this was necessary. Healthcare workers and others who work with vulnerable people, yes. But truckers?? I just don't think they interact with a whole lot of people to be of concern for spreading ... just make them mask up and social distance. You ticked them off and now all the freedom fighters are joining their convoy while you're hiding in some bunker.

On one news clip, I saw a trucker show the code of conduct that they signed in order to participate in this ... including no violence, peaceful, etc. I think the original reason for this convoy - namely no vaccines for truck drivers is legitimate. (oh before you go off, I am triple vaxx'd)

CorneringArtist
01-30-2022, 08:28 AM
The US is also the vast majority of great people. I’m more talking about perception. Seeing the stories BBC and other major worldwide broadcasters are showing. It’s sad. We look like idiots.
There are hundreds of people carrying trump banners, calling for journalists to be killed, comparing medical treatment to the holocaust. This isn’t a media spin. We see this from people every day and it’s spectacularly easy to see it becoming more prevalent. It’s spreading like wildfire. People who have never engaged in political dialogue or social media activism all of a sudden think they are freedoms fighters. Where were you when Derek Sloan attacked woman’s reproductive rights, now he’s your hero for body autonomy? Where were you when w’etsueten land defenders were blocking the path of the pipeline on unceded territory. We’re you calling for their arrest, calling them terrorists and now you are hailing the trucker convoy as heroes for doing the same because it finally inconveniences you?
It’s garbage.

*to be clear I’m not accusing you of any of this. Just using the Royal you.

There's a certain large, local Facebook car group that has convoy supporters telling people who were against the "protests" to "turn off the TV because of the media spin". It works both ways, but the sudden activists get their shit from potentially compromised sources on Twitter and Facebook. Nuance is not allowed, and the American practice of taking sides is becoming a problem.

Most of these people aren't that politically engaged, they're just showing their true colours off the back of a political issue.

pastarocket
01-30-2022, 09:13 AM
A bunch of Karen convoy protesters harassed staff at a soup kitchen. What a bunch of losers! This soup kitchen is there to help marginalized people, homeless people, of society.


https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2022/01/30/protesters-harassing-ottawa-soup-kitchen/

Shepherds of Good Hope
@sghottawa

Thank you for bringing this to our attention. Earlier today, our staff and volunteers experienced harassment from convoy protestors seeking meals from our soup kitchen. The individuals were given meals to diffuse the conflict. Management was then informed of the issue and no further meals were given to protesters.
Our soup kitchen is committed to providing meals to people experiencing and at risk of homelessness in Ottawa. This weekend’s events have caused significant strain to our operations at an already difficult time.

Ottawa Mayor Jim Watson denounced the actions of the demonstrators seeking meals at Shepherds of Good Hope.

“Completely unacceptable behaviour by these convoy members,” he tweeted Sunday morning. “Harassing volunteers and staff at a homeless shelter is a new low and severely damages the credibility of these protesters.


Where are the organizers to denounce these outrageous actions?”

StylinRed
01-30-2022, 09:36 AM
Convoy supporters are saying the nazis are political plants from trudeau :lol

320icar
01-30-2022, 09:57 AM
“dO yOuR oWn ReSeArCh! I ReAd It oN rEbEl NeWs”

Hondaracer
01-30-2022, 09:58 AM
Want to delegitimize anything? Pay a homeless guy to wear a maga hat and wave a nazi flag.

While I don’t think Trudeau is paying anyone to wave nazi flags, I think simply dismissing the chance that people are there with ulterior motives is fairly ignorant. We already know it’s 100% happened in the past with things like the Olympics here etc.

westopher
01-30-2022, 10:12 AM
I don't think any of us think that there aren't people with ulterior motives there looking to delegitimize it.
I also don't think that there aren't people that delegitimize it themselves with stupidity in this group. The whole dissolution of government, Trudeau resignation, ZERO restrictions, comparison to nazi Germany, communism, white nationalism, etc has been in it from the start.
Is everyone there a nazi Nutjob? Of course not. Some people just want to go out for brunch without being vaccinated, which I certainly don't support either, but it's a lot less absurd. The volume of people there flying trump flags and being apart of the horrible things mentioned above can't be ignored though. It's not like it's only 3 people.

Hondaracer
01-30-2022, 10:18 AM
Unless you’re there I think it’s pretty hard to say that one way or another. Obviously the media would be more than happy to run a loop of the same 3 guys with maga hats all day long

On IG I’ve come across posts where people there are calling out the guy with a confederate flag until he eventually leaves, a guy who is completely covered head to toe, cannot tell who he is etc. obviously global news ain’t gonna be running shots like that.

whitev70r
01-30-2022, 10:25 AM
I heard news 1130 report that the MAJORITY of the people have been peaceful. But that isn't 'newsworthy' so of course the cray crays get the attention. So far, I think it's fine. I believe in well thought out mandates but in this case, not necessary for truckers.

underscore
01-30-2022, 10:53 AM
85+% of truckers are vaccinated dude.

whitev70r
01-30-2022, 10:57 AM
^ ... so, what's your point? If 85% of them are already vaccinated, do you really want to mandate the other 15%? Shouldn't gov't be happy? I think that's the same for healthcare workers ... 85-90% and that's with a mandate.

Are you saying that you support government mandating truckers to be vaccinated? If so, let's discuss or debate that point. As I have stated above and before, I DO NOT think it was necessary to mandate all truck drivers to be vaccinated based on their work.

underscore
01-30-2022, 11:26 AM
The mandate is for cross border truckers who do not want to quarantine after crossing. The US has the same rule. They do not need to be vaccinated to work domestically. The mandate has little to no impact on actual trucking operations. Acting like the convoy is representing all truckers is false.

This convoy isn't just about that one mandate though. Still acting like it is is laughable.

white rocket
01-30-2022, 11:35 AM
A good example of how easy the media can craft whatever they want. And how your views determine how you absorb it. There are 3 sides to every coin. Heads, tails and the edge. If you’re heads or tails you can’t see the other side. If you’re on the edge you can see both.

From a few pictures some revsceners have determined everyone associated with the convoy is homosexual, fat, hairy, white, Jew killing, chilliwack residing, grave stomping vandals. If that’s not enough then they are compared to Americans which there are over 300 million of.

Yeah we really need to stop and think "I wonder what that nazi's perspective is on this?"

The fact that this is the take-away is quite sad and shows exactly how bad the divide really is. Waiting for surgery? Well then anyone who isn't vaccinated is a brainwashed racist piece of shit. You basically killed Terry Fox at this point. Easy dot connection and hill to die on. Tired of all this media manipulation and government overreach and want to fight for freedom? Easy dot connection and hill to die on.

Both hate being Canadian right now. Jesus fucking Christ :facepalm:

whitev70r
01-30-2022, 03:04 PM
The mandate is for cross border truckers who do not want to quarantine after crossing. The US has the same rule. They do not need to be vaccinated to work domestically. The mandate has little to no impact on actual trucking operations. Acting like the convoy is representing all truckers is false.

This convoy isn't just about that one mandate though. Still acting like it is is laughable.

Convoy started with this one mandate which snowballed into other things.

You still haven't given any good reason as to why this mandate needed to be made. Just because US has it is not a good reason bro. Do you want Canada to implement or relax all guidelines based on what US is doing ... no, didn't think so. Can you explain why it is needed based on their work?

SkinnyPupp
01-30-2022, 07:33 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FKWSAx6X0AMB34F.jpg

westopher
01-30-2022, 07:35 PM
Value dropped by 40% in the last month?

underscore
01-30-2022, 07:43 PM
Convoy started with this one mandate which snowballed into other things.

You still haven't given any good reason as to why this mandate needed to be made. Just because US has it is not a good reason bro. Do you want Canada to implement or relax all guidelines based on what US is doing ... no, didn't think so. Can you explain why it is needed based on their work?


From my understanding this isn't a new mandate for truckers, they're just losing their exemption from the 14 day quarantine period that applies to anyone who is unvaccinated. This change applies to emergency service providers and marine researchers as well. They aren't making anything new.

https://travel.gc.ca/travel-covid/travel-restrictions/exemptions

As for whether or not they should lose that exemption, the people who have made that decision on both sides of the border have access to far more data and information than you or I do. I'm going to choose to believe that they used that to come to an informed decision about it.

Manic!
01-30-2022, 08:25 PM
I heard news 1130 report that the MAJORITY of the people have been peaceful. But that isn't 'newsworthy' so of course the cray crays get the attention. So far, I think it's fine. I believe in well thought out mandates but in this case, not necessary for truckers.

If it's not newsworthy why was it on newsworthy 1130?

SkinnyPupp
01-31-2022, 12:47 AM
Got boosted 24 hours ago (3x BioNTech) and feel fine except my temp is just starting to creep up over the last few hours. Went from 36.3 to 36.8 so far

Edit: 37.1

11pm, fever gone, feel fine now :alonehappy:

SkinnyPupp
01-31-2022, 03:02 AM
https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1488089690045562882

El Bastardo
01-31-2022, 05:43 AM
Holy fuck, you guys. This shit is making the news down here. Its really an incoherent look for these guys.

Why are there Trump flags in Ottawa? Why are there Confederate battle flags in Ottawa? Why is there a Gadsden "Don't Tread on Me" flag in Ottawa?

This is fucking embarrassing. Can't people get their own goddamn branding? They have to co-opt American branding.
They can't go on Fiverr and pay some goddamned Romanian some pocket change for an original design and vector file that they can send to the print shop that doesn't represent a foreign country's interest? What is this smoothbrained garbage? And I don't know if they're supporting the Nazis or comparing Trudeau to a Nazi but why would you buy a Nazi flag to carry into this protest? And why would you deface a Canadian flag with a swastika when you're trying to take an anti-authoritarian stance? Get your shit together.

Do these people not have an original thought in their fucking heads?

And they're too poor to feed themselves so they're going to soup kitchens and homeless shelters? What about the millions of dollars they've raised on GoFundMe?

If this is about cross border trucking, why are they jamming up one of the borders? (https://globalnews.ca/news/8581612/coutts-protestors-blockade-border-crossing/amp/)

Jagmeet Singh claims that this is about white supremacy (https://globalnews.ca/news/8542184/singh-covid-trucker-convoy-vaccine-mandate-gofundme/) but his own brother in law donated a LOT of money to the convoy and had to be shamed into asking for it back.


They have no plan here except to go to Ottawa and be angry. They're hinting at violence too? (https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/covid-19-freedom-convoy-2022-news-2)


Wave your flags of failed nations all you want, and piss on memorials to soldiers who were braver than you'll ever be, but your ability to maintain a protest in Ontario in the dead of winter is limited, especially when you're competing with homeless people for food.

SkinnyPupp
01-31-2022, 06:01 AM
There's going to be good people protesting, and bad people protesting. Most media will only show the bad ones, because it's more exciting. There is also the possibility of agents provocateur

I disagree with the protest, but not the ability to protest. I'm glad it's been peaceful so far

EvoFire
01-31-2022, 07:05 AM
I think some one had a recommendation for parking at the convention center for the shot? Going there later today.

Qmx323
01-31-2022, 07:43 AM
I'm super confused, we had TWO protests going on this weekend? One in Van/BC for Highway conditions, and one all over for the "Freedoms of Canada" convoy?

Or was it all one big thing?

whitev70r
01-31-2022, 07:43 AM
Holy fuck, you guys. This shit is making the news down here. Its really an incoherent look for these guys.

Why are there Trump flags in Ottawa? Why are there Confederate battle flags in Ottawa? Why is there a Gadsden "Don't Tread on Me" flag in Ottawa?


Not as bad as FOX and Texas news makes it out to be. It certainly is ringing a bell to the cray crays out there. For sure, there are pro-Trump Americans in Ottawa, saw reports of US truckers from Detroit crossing the border to join the convoy. Also read that Eurpoeans are thinking of copycatting a truckers convoy for freedom.

The businesses near the Parliament will be suffering the longer this goes because most of them have closed as a precaution.

whitev70r
01-31-2022, 08:26 AM
JT tested positive for Covid ... no surprise. Those of you with young kids know how hard it is to isolate if family member has it. He should be fine, young, healthy, surfer and boxer athlete.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-protest-ottawa-1.6333316

westopher
01-31-2022, 08:27 AM
I'm super confused, we had TWO protests going on this weekend? One in Van/BC for Highway conditions, and one all over for the "Freedoms of Canada" convoy?

Or was it all one big thing?
The one in vancouver was last Saturday and completely unrelated to the “freedom” convoy.

whitev70r
01-31-2022, 08:31 AM
I'm super confused, we had TWO protests going on this weekend? One in Van/BC for Highway conditions, and one all over for the "Freedoms of Canada" convoy?

Or was it all one big thing?

It was related in that some weren't as invested and couldn't or didn't want to spend weeks and $$ driving their Vanderbilt to Ottawa so they just did a baby convoy in their respective towns and cities. It happened in many cities across Canada in support of the mother one.

GLOW
01-31-2022, 10:27 AM
a convoy of cars were honking horns with hazards on with various flags going up & down west broadway in the cambie/oak area saturday afternoon. i was only in the area for about an hour.

some of the banners were freedom of choice, no mask/vax mandates, and 1 i saw was related to support indian farmers.

not the 1st time i've seen a convoy in the area on a saturday. i just assumed it's a regular thing now.

in the summer i recall seeing huge protests that blocked traffic completely, though i wasn't sure what the cause was...

i guess it's the area of choice now as it's a stone's throw from city hall? :shrug:

68style
01-31-2022, 10:43 AM
One thing I’ve definitely noticed in this pandemic and all the resulting political discussion is that the people who really feel the most jilted definitely do not understand which level of government they’re supposed to complain to or how the various governments even work/interact here.

Just super poor levels of education all around.

SumAznGuy
01-31-2022, 11:21 AM
I think some one had a recommendation for parking at the convention center for the shot? Going there later today.

Park under the sails, not on the new side.
Take the parking stub and they will give you a 1 hr parking voucher.

inv4zn
01-31-2022, 12:02 PM
One thing I’ve definitely noticed in this pandemic and all the resulting political discussion is that the people who really feel the most jilted definitely do not understand which level of government they’re supposed to complain to or how the various governments even work/interact here.

Just super poor levels of education all around.

This is so true.

Canadians referring to their "constitutional rights", or like the stupidity of the trucker's protest organizers asking to disband the federal government by way of the Senate and the Governor General...it's like tell me you're dumb without telling me you're dumb.

Hondaracer
01-31-2022, 12:22 PM
I’m in support of protest (kinda)

But if you come to me and start quoting the constitution or Geneva convention, sorry but ya lost me lol

What I find really annoying now is when the hardcore anti-vax or the veiled anti vaxxer who is about the rights etc. all of a sudden starts using events or statistics now to somehow justify some kind of reinforced stance on the matter?

Like, I’ve told people, we are well into this, I’m relatively well informed on the matter, I’ve made my informed choices, I’m happy with them. There isn’t going to be some “new info” about how the media is influenced by hedge funds to prop up Pfizer shares that is all of a sudden going to make me flip lol..

68style
01-31-2022, 12:31 PM
I only really started to get upset when I found out my sperm was worth less

Manic!
01-31-2022, 12:39 PM
My understanding is a lot of the protesters are paying out of pocket for food and hotel. How long before they run out of money and have to go home?

JDMDreams
01-31-2022, 12:42 PM
Heard on the news they got like 9 million in donations? But then they also made a scene everywhere for not wearing masks or following rules and they were eating at homeless kitchens :ahwow:

68style
01-31-2022, 12:45 PM
My understanding is a lot of the protesters are paying out of pocket for food and hotel. How long before they run out of money and have to go home?

Duh they’re on CERB… which I’m sure they are not protesting the allocation or administration of hahah

Gofundme is not releasing the funds collected last I heard

Manic!
01-31-2022, 01:31 PM
They also forced a Sikh temple to close.

https://i.redd.it/52fwsotfnge81.jpg

Hondaracer
01-31-2022, 02:36 PM
Oh no.. a temporary disruption to a tax-free religious society..

inv4zn
01-31-2022, 03:08 PM
Oh no.. a temporary disruption to a tax-free religious society..

I think you've missed the point.

Regardless of religion Gurdwaras provide food to needy on a regular and very generous basis.

They closed to make a statement.

Manic!
01-31-2022, 03:39 PM
Oh no.. a temporary disruption to a tax-free religious society..

The Golden temple is the worlds largest free kitchen, provides 100K free meals a day and is open 24/7.

The Indian farm protests lasted for over a year. It was the worlds largest protest. Food was cooked on site and no one went hungry including the poor who lived in the area and the police who beat the protesters.

This freedom convoy has raised over 9 million. How come none of that money has gone to food for the protesters? How come they have not set up warming shelters so people don't have to stand in the -22 degree weather?

I wonder what 5 star hotel the organizers are staying at and wonder what fancy restaurants they are eating at.

Hondaracer
01-31-2022, 04:12 PM
Nevermind

mikemhg
01-31-2022, 04:40 PM
It's hard to take this "movement" seriously, if you peer behind the curtain, it's quite evident its organizers. This is CLEARLY a PPC/Wexit movement. Their only focus is on the liberal party and Trudeau, but why exactly?

Who runs Alberta, who runs Ontario for that matter? The Conservative Party.

How come the cracker corral isn't showing up on Doug Ford's door? Why is their only focus on Trudeau, when their own provinces have full say in terms of how to impose mandates, Ontario had far greater restrictions then we ever did in BC.

I'm against these mandates at this point, but this cracker corral is a fucking joke, they don't even know who they stand for, or who they should be against (or maybe they do, and this whole mandate crap is just subterfuge for their greater issues). You know... taking "our country" back.

El Bastardo
01-31-2022, 07:08 PM
It's hard to take this "movement" seriously, if you peer behind the curtain, it's quite evident its organizers. This is CLEARLY a PPC/Wexit movement.



Wexit, definitely. PPC, no. No word in the backends of the PPC on organization of this thing but PPC members are definitely wanting this to harm the Liberals. Max, however, who is literally the party, "supports Canadian truckers" and uses a bunch of loose statements to signal support without endorsing something that could turn violent. His email to party members says as such but he stands to benefit from an embarrassment to the Cons or the Liberal Party.

Wexit was a grift from the start. Or is the Maverick Party? Or is it the Canadian Heritage Party? Its all a patchwork of people chasing easy money. In any case, everything you needed to know about this event you found out when you read that people are going to soup kitchens for meals when millions of dollars were donated.

underscore
01-31-2022, 08:44 PM
How come none of that money has gone to food for the protesters? How come they have not set up warming shelters so people don't have to stand in the -22 degree weather?

I find it hilarious that some literally drove semi trucks to the protest but apparently didn't bring any supplies or anything with them.

Manic!
02-01-2022, 12:57 AM
I find it hilarious that some literally drove semi trucks to the protest but apparently didn't bring any supplies or anything with them.

I hear some of the truckers are starting to run low on fuel.

sdubfid
02-01-2022, 03:18 AM
I hear some of the truckers are starting to run low on fuel.

I doubt this is true. There are at least 10 kfcs in Ottawa.

TOS'd
02-01-2022, 07:30 AM
I hear some of the truckers are starting to run low on fuel.
Apparently, based on trucker comms, they are working with police to allow them to bring in jerry cans of fuel into downtown.

They said its up to the descretion of the police officer to allow them or not to pass the barricades with the jerry cans using ATVs (bylaw ticket if officer chooses to) or pickup trucks. And that they were working with some officers who were cooperating and will let them through.

whitev70r
02-01-2022, 07:45 AM
^ kabooooom !!!

westopher
02-01-2022, 07:48 AM
There’s another trucker convoy blocking working truckers from returning to Canada on the 405 apparently?
United they stand…..

Hondaracer
02-01-2022, 08:21 AM
https://apple.news/A8l7i9KD4Ta-S-TvrVov_pg

Premier Scott Moe says the provincial vaccine requirement program is expected to be scrapped by the end of the month.
In a news conference on Monday, Moe made the claim that COVID-19 vaccines no longer reduce the transmission of the Omicron variant and as a result, the vaccines are no longer required.
"People are asking their government for a return to normal, a removal of public health restrictions," he said.
"It is time for us as a government to do what Saskatchewan people are asking for."

All the while dix and Bonnie giggling on their power trip behind the curtains?

inv4zn
02-01-2022, 08:29 AM
^did you even read the article.

Many health professionals have spoken out against Moe's stance, saying his information is incorrect.

Opposition leader Ryan Meili said he strongly disagrees with the plan and believes Moe is relying on false information.

"It's idiotic. I cannot imagine someone in a leadership role displaying such extreme ignorance," he said.

"He's ignoring expert virologists. He's ignoring epidemiologists. He's ignoring [chief medical health officer] Dr. Shahab."

It's literally a politician making populist statements, and this is somehow the role model now? Boris Johnson did literally the same thing, but of course it's in no way related to what's happening to him now right?

And while the imagery of Dix and BH giggling in secrecy is somewhat funny, to call it a "power trip" is pretty ignorant. What actually is a power trip is making large scale decisions based on opinion for political gain, which is arguably just as ignorant.

Hondaracer
02-01-2022, 08:30 AM
The opposition leader coming out against it, unheard of.

Do you actually think the vaccine passport is limiting transmission at this point? Is it doing anything it was set out to anymore?

westopher
02-01-2022, 08:38 AM
I’d be in support of everything being lifted except the vaccine passport and masks.
Vaccinated people absolutely are transmitting, however they are clearly contributing to the ICU being LESS of an issue.
As long as the unvaccinated are taking up hospital beds they are still an issue. People who shouldn’t be as affected by this disease have the opportunity to protect themselves, and are still choosing not to. If they can go to restaurants, concerts, hockey games, etc. it’s quite clear what the results will be.
Yes, most will be fine, but the odds point to the fact that they are the difference maker for the issues in the health system. Of course old people are still going to be the majority of those needing treatment, but until they have a being old vaccine, it’s not a choice for them to suffer that they are making

Hondaracer
02-01-2022, 08:50 AM
70%+ of new cases in Alberta are fully vaccinated people with 26% of those having 3 shots

The ICU numbers are just increasingly leaning towards an older and older demographic of unvaccinated people. While the younger unvaccinated makes up almost zero cases in the ICU or even hospitalizations.

It’s just getting crazy that we crumble as a society to keep unvaccinated elderly alive lol.. like if you want to point fingers at people, that’s your demo. Unvaccinated young people at this point in the pandemic aren’t driving it. A 25 year old cancer patient can’t get chemo because an 80 year old unvaccinated fuck clinging to life yelling “I don’t regret anything!!” It’s so gross.

When the percentage of people fully vaccinated make up the same rate of new cases, seems like the vaccines aren’t really that great at preventing infection. As per the sask article.

westopher
02-01-2022, 08:52 AM
Yeah I agree with that part, but there’s also unvaccinated younger people getting sick, needing treatment and dying. As I said, unvaccinated covid cases should be back of the line for any treatment and we’d literally solve our problems.
If you are unvaccinated and need to be hospitalized, and there’s no space, here’s a free Spotify membership. Check out the joe Rogan experience and please follow up in a couple months with anything you found out that worked for you.

Hondaracer
02-01-2022, 08:58 AM
VERY VERY few. I quote the Alberta numbers because they are easier to read compared to that live graph Bc has. However Alberta’s numbers show that the amount of people unvaccinated, under 60 is pretty inconsequential to the health care impact.

westopher
02-01-2022, 09:01 AM
I’d say if we are talking 5-10 at any given time, those are 5-10 out of 120 people that wouldn’t be there, and not to mention the amount of time they spend in that bed. It makes a difference.
There is basically 100% chance that they wouldn’t be there if they were vaccinated.

inv4zn
02-01-2022, 09:28 AM
Also the 'vaccine program' was meant to do a bunch of things at the same time. Yes, to ensure unvaxxed don't sit and mingle with others to spread, but also to inconvenience them to the point where they get the shot.

Axing the vaxx passport doesn't do anyone any good except pandering to the few that couldn't go to Red Robin. I can do it fumbling around holding a 2 year old, restaurant staff have no issue with it - as far as covid restrictions go it's one of the least onerous ones that affect very little of the population.

highfive
02-01-2022, 09:35 AM
At this point, I feel everyone is too focused on the unvaccinated / antimask / anti mask vs mask /vaccination. This is not the main issue.

It's that we're approaching 2 years of this pandemic and the entire idea of "lock downs" and all these policies is to protect our health care system of being overloaded when shit hits the fan. So in the past 2 years, have I read any funding going towards to healthcare? Increase our ICU capacity?

I see $120 million loan to Ukraine? I guess there are a lot of Canadians there.

What I see is the incompetence of our government and leaders. Weather it's Trudeau or Horgan or Henry. They do not have a clear message and/or plan to fight this pandemic. They claim masks don't work then they say it does work. BC here, they are unwilling to test the public or have the public get access into testing themselves. Through their policies, they create more confusion among the public than the virus itself. The public doesn't even know what to listen to anymore.

Hondaracer
02-01-2022, 09:48 AM
It’s a lot easier to blame the unvaccinated than 20 years of under funded public health

westopher
02-01-2022, 09:55 AM
It’s a lot easier to get a vaccine than fix 20 years of underfunded healthcare. Pretty sure there has been announcements about new funding for healthcare during all of this?

Manic!
02-01-2022, 11:04 AM
Hundreds of real truckers stuck at the Canada US boarder in Alberta because of protesters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-NN4XTGAZ8

https://twitter.com/avnishnanda/status/1488301611201937409?t=0a8lSE0GvfbfXoa3-ljYPA&s=19

SumAznGuy
02-01-2022, 11:16 AM
Hundreds of real truckers stuck at the Canada US boarder in Alberta because of protesters.

Yup. One of our trucks left on Friday and is stuck there.
They were supposed to deliver on Monday in California and bring back a load of produce.

Traum
02-01-2022, 11:29 AM
It’s a lot easier to get a vaccine than fix 20 years of underfunded healthcare. Pretty sure there has been announcements about new funding for healthcare during all of this?
I was listening to a podcast on this very subject a little while back, Episode 456 at the Big Story:

https://thebigstorypodcast.ca/archive/

This podcast network is part of the Rogers Media group, so I would assume it does a reasonable amount of legitimate journalistic work.

In the podcast, the guest was discussing this exact issue of how most / all political leaders in the country have promised to inject funding / expand healthcare programs, but nobody has really delivered on the promise at all. So we continue to be stuck in this conundrum. :(

mikemhg
02-01-2022, 12:18 PM
Yup. One of our trucks left on Friday and is stuck there.
They were supposed to deliver on Monday in California and bring back a load of produce.

Imagine protesting RE supply chain issues, and being the cause of the very thing you're protesting against. Too funny :lol

When are these mask mandates going to end though? I'm sick of having to run back to my car after walking a few blocks and remembering that I left my stupid mask in the car.

One thing I do find very ironic about masks -- City imposed rules on straws, plastic bags, plastic in general, all in the name of the environment and climate change.

On the flip side, I haven't heard a single word about mask waste. I see them littered on the ground everywhere in Vancouver, on streets, on trails, you name it.

In Mexico, masks were littered all over the place as well. My mind likes to wonder what the environmental impact and waste is involved in creating and disposing of all these masks.

This is why we humans are destined to fail. We focus on one issue and impose pragmatic measures, spewing moral platitudes, meanwhile our response to COVID has created an entirely different issue of complete waste to the environment.

Curious if we'll see articles in the future about the "Growing disposable mask island in the Pacific", or "Philippines no longer to take the west's mask waste". :lol

I'm being silly, but I'm really tired of wearing these fucking masks. This better be over by summer.

inv4zn
02-01-2022, 12:20 PM
Hundreds of real truckers stuck at the Canada US boarder in Alberta because of protesters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-NN4XTGAZ8

https://twitter.com/avnishnanda/status/1488301611201937409?t=0a8lSE0GvfbfXoa3-ljYPA&s=19

What the fuck, 3 days???
Why isn't law enforcement or CAF moving these assholes??

Also you just know that when AB has supply issues because these entitles cunts deliberately held up cross-border traffic they'll blame Trudeau.

pastarocket
02-01-2022, 01:39 PM
Hmmm. Ottawa's civic government is considering legal action against GoFundMe in order to recoup the costs of policing because of the Flu Trucks Klan convoy.

FYI: It costs about $800,000 per day in policing costs.


https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/city-of-ottawa-considering-legal-action-to-recoup-protest-costs/ar-AATnjCP?ocid=entnewsntp

SumAznGuy
02-01-2022, 02:02 PM
Hmmm. Ottawa's civic government is considering legal action against GoFundMe in order to recoup the costs of policing because of the Flu Trucks Klan convoy.

FYI: It costs about $800,000 per day in policing costs.


https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/city-of-ottawa-considering-legal-action-to-recoup-protest-costs/ar-AATnjCP?ocid=entnewsntp

https://www.gofundme.com/f/taking-back-our-freedom-convoy-2022

Almost $10M.

Top donation $30K. Jagmeet's brother inlaw's $13K is still showing in the top 10 donations. LOL

TOS'd
02-01-2022, 02:25 PM
^ Yesterday the top donation was like $42,069 or something from www. Liar .com or something like that. Looks like it has been removed.

People were speculating it could be Elon Musk since he seems to enjoy trolling and has money to spend, but no concrete proof. He has tweeted about the whole situation multiple times.

mikemhg
02-01-2022, 04:43 PM
Elon better be careful, I think he's getting too comfortable turning into this alt-right online troll.

I can't imagine Tesla shareholders are liking that, he could turn into a liability at some point for the company.

SkinnyPupp
02-01-2022, 04:50 PM
Guys like Elon and Joe are practically orgasming over how huge their following is getting by appealing to the void left by Trump. Joe is already falling back due to the consequences, let's see what Elon does.

Hondaracer
02-01-2022, 04:59 PM
Lol do either really care?

That’s like all these people who spend all this time and energy making trump memes and shit while the guy is out golfing all day. They have enough money and influence to not really care about anything.

Just look at the investing thread, people love TSLA like they love apple. Elons ego might get hurt but at the end of the day he’s just bouncing back and forth being the worlds richest person

SkinnyPupp
02-01-2022, 05:02 PM
I think Joe cares deep inside. Otherwise he would have gone the opposite direction when the Spotify stuff started happening last week.

The fact that he got paid already shows that he doesn't have to care, and didn't have to do that video and doesn't have to make his show like it used to be (which he says he's doing but we'll see)

Elon I think truly doesn't care

Edit: I think JRE can be salvaged if Joe invites Duncan over for a show, does "an heroic dose" of mushrooms, and just resets his ego. He used to talk about people needing to do that, but he needs it as much as anyone now.

westopher
02-01-2022, 05:02 PM
Elon clearly cares. He's the kid no one liked in high school desperately pandering to whoever will worship him. If that wasn't the case, all these people would just shut the fuck up and go do cool shit quietly.

SkinnyPupp
02-01-2022, 05:12 PM
Elon cares about attention but I don't think he cares where it comes from. For a long time he was a nerd's hero, but now he's a wannabe rich ultracapitalist weirdo hero.

Back in the day you'd see dudes with Fight Club and American Psycho posters on their walls. Now the millennial version that same type of person has NFT monkey avatars and Elon Musk retweets LUL

Bouncing Bettys
02-01-2022, 05:17 PM
Interprovincial vaccine passports?
https://twitter.com/TrueNorthCentre/status/1487954376497012739

ImportPsycho
02-01-2022, 05:27 PM
https://twitter.com/CarymaRules/status/1488662055351504896


Mad respect for this guy for having balls to stand alone surrounded by lunatics and big rig

Manic!
02-01-2022, 08:25 PM
Idiot never thought he might have to use it on his own people. Lets see if he does.

https://twitter.com/jkenney/status/1273609306475094016

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_Infrastructure_Defence_Act

The Critical Infrastructure Defence Act (Bill 1)[1] (the Act), is a bill in Alberta, Canada introduced into the Legislative Assembly of Alberta on February 25, 2020. It received royal assent and was passed into law on June 17, 2020.[2] The bill seeks to legally define infrastructure and create offences and penalties for those who enter, destroy, or obstruct infrastructure. The bill has drawn criticism for targeting Indigenous groups and some believe that it violates aspects of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

The bill's definition of "essential infrastructure" includes:

pipelines and related infrastructure
oil and gas production and refinery sites
utilities (electric, gas, and water)
telecommunication lines, towers, and equipment
highways
railways
mines

The bill also "allow[s] regulations to expand the definition of essential infrastructure in the future if necessary" [12]
Prohibited activities

Under the bill, individuals (without lawful right, justification or excuse) are prohibited from:

entering any essential infrastructure
damaging or destroying any essential infrastructure
obstructing, interrupting or interfering with the construction, maintenance, use or operation of any essential infrastructure in a manner that renders the essential infrastructure dangerous, useless, inoperative or ineffective
aiding, counselling, or directing another person to commit an offence under the Act (whether or not the other person actually commits the offence)
gaining permission to enter an infrastructure under false pretenses [13][1]

Penalties

Individuals prosecuted under this bill would be subject to penalties. The penalties are as follows:

For a first offence: "a fine not less than $1000 and not exceeding $10 000, or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months, or to both a fine and imprisonment".
Second or subsequent offence in relation to the same premise: "a fine not less than $1000 and not exceeding $25 000, or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months, or to both a fine and imprisonment"
For Corporations: "a fine not less than $10 000 and not exceeding $200 000"

Significant provisions:

"Each day that a contravention continues constitutes a separate offence."
"A peace officer may arrest, without warrant, any person the peace officer finds contravening [the Act]."[14]





https://twitter.com/RachelNotley/status/1488673529100963840?s=20&t=N1tsI-x1CmD_ZZ-gd9NmaQ


RachelNotley

We are hearing that RCMP members at the Alberta-U.S. border have been swarmed and barricades have been rammed, causing a collision.

I join calls for calm at the border and ask Albertans NOT to drive to this blockade.

SkinnyPupp
02-01-2022, 08:29 PM
Shit is getting closer to the fan

These idiots were happy to support more authoritarian law, thinking it would never apply to them

Well it may still not, depending on how many Freedomers are in the RCMP

68style
02-01-2022, 10:28 PM
I can't imagine Tesla shareholders are liking that, he could turn into a liability at some point for the company.

He already has been for awhile, he isn’t on the quarterly results calls for a reason… and when he did come on the recent one by surprise he caused a massive loss to the company saying no cyber truck or roadster this year and that he wants to focus on robots instead.

Guys a fuckin clown, I’m not even invested in Tesla but I feel bad for all the people he costs thousands of dollars for his own entertainment.

Hehe
02-02-2022, 09:17 AM
He already has been for awhile, he isn’t on the quarterly results calls for a reason… and when he did come on the recent one by surprise he caused a massive loss to the company saying no cyber truck or roadster this year and that he wants to focus on robots instead.

Guys a fuckin clown, I’m not even invested in Tesla but I feel bad for all the people he costs thousands of dollars for his own entertainment.

As a TSLA shareholder, I honestly don't see that much of an issue.

TSLA, or Elon Musk, is not your typical blue-chip company/CEO where they follow a strict guideline and everything is about "fitting-in" the general perception of what is acceptable. He is not your usual "good" student who obeys the standard. But rather, it's about what's right.

Building EVs was right. Investing in AI that makes our life easier and more productive was right. Making a car/truck to be as simple as possible was right.

If TSLA just followed the market (car-making), pure BEV would never exist.

As for Elon's support to the truck covoy, let's just get one thing straight. He's not anti-vaxx, but rather, the continued restrictions that the gov't applies to the public without following any scientific fact at all.

Covid is in our society. By applying restrictions, such as requiring truckers to vaccinate doesn't help with the spread. A triple or even quad vaccinated trucker can still get infected and spread the covid as one without vaccine. Study has shown that Omicron variant can start spreading within a few hours of becoming infected... before any symptoms show up.

Instead of spending hundreds of millions on testing, which at this stage means little in the grand scheme of things, direct those funds to create more capacity in our medical system. Just suggest anyone who has symptoms to take their time off and stay home. Most would not develop severe conditions. And instead of putting so much resources in things that means nothing, how about let's focus on where the problem actually is: our health system is not equipped to handle large scale pandemic.

Coming back to Elon Musk... everyone is entitled to their opinion and I see no problem in him expressing his POV. You feel that he should STFU because it's against your POV and he can influence many. But what if the position is now reversed and your PoV is actually the one not accepted by the public? Again... focus on what's right. I've long stated that our gov't should focus on what actually matter: how our society and economy is going to change by taking the pandemic into account. Instead, they don't give a flying fuck and simply making policies that's about face.

They have argued that everyone should get vaccinated. But they should also talk about that getting vaccinated would not end the spread. This is not our polio/hep shot that we give to our kids so that they can build immunity. The vaccine serves no other purpose than reducing the symptoms and hide the true problem that our health system is incompetent.

You don't solve a problem by shooting the messenger. You solve the problem by actually targeting the problem. Because think about this... if we are already overwhelmed today (2yrs after covid as a matter of fact). What is going to happen when something much deadlier and easier to spread hits us? Are we just going to lock down the country a la China and wait for a year until vaccine shows up?

As mikemhg pointed out. We need to stop supporting policies that are only short term. They are ok when we are just starting to encounter the problem. But 2yrs in... wtf did we do to adapt our life to this pandemic? Nothing... we are still acting like this is just the beginning and put restrictions after restrictions. When is this going to end? If you don't tackle the problem, which is our health system... then the answer is never. We locked ourselves down when Covid first hit. 2yrs later, we are still putting restrictions that are basically lock-down lite. And assuming the pandemic is going to stay with us for a few more years... is this all this gov't can do? Restrictions after restrictions just so that we can "not overwhelm our health system?" WTF did we do in the last 2yrs with our health system?