[twitchyzero]

you're telling me a fucking cop is going to walk up to a booth of people and demand ID to prove they live together? hah.. good luck with that. I wouldnt show my ID even if i was with my wife, fuck that noise.

read this in joe pesci voice

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ShadyFoolishBovine-size_restricted.gif

[EvoFire]

it's literally impossible to enforce.

a friend of mine works at the Burnaby tank farm, probably one of the biggest construction projects in town these days.

There are people there from all over BC and further, some of them live together in 3/4/5 room houses, none of them have ID with the same address on it. They legitimately live in the same house, Do you fine them when they are out at a restaurant?

you're telling me a fucking cop is going to walk up to a booth of people and demand ID to prove they live together? hah.. good luck with that. I wouldnt show my ID even if i was with my wife, fuck that noise.

The scenario you've listed would be annoying, but probably the exception rather than the norm.

Also is there no law to make it illegal for you to not comply to an officer asking for identification?

If we're at the point of cops coming into restaurants to check ID like it's gang squad, you might as well shut everything down.

If they asked me for ID i'd politely decline, pay my bill and leave.

I dont know if any of you are familiar with Sam Chui, who is a youtuber who does air travel reviews etc. He's probably the most famous airplane youtuber. In his recent video he flew Emirates which is now using Iris scans for health screening bypass as well as security bypass within emirates own sections and boardings.

If you want to talk about dystopia, a private airline taking iris scans and saving that data for health screening is getting rightttttt up there.. lol

The airline is a private service, they can do whatever the fuck they want imo. And they can deny you also if they want. You can choose to not use their service though.

[cho]

Rumor, 4 people at Cactus Club Langley got fines of $2500 each because they were sitting in the same booth with a person with who they did not reside with.

false, source I work with the company

[Hondaracer]

The scenario you've listed would be annoying, but probably the exception rather than the norm.

Also is there no law to make it illegal for you to not comply to an officer asking for identification?

What you’re talking about is the equivalent to random stop checks. The same shit everyone has been crying about with people who live on the DTES native ppl etc. Only in this scenario they have absolutely no reasoning other than to ensure you live with the person you’re sitting beside. That’s pretty fucking loose reasoning. Also it is not a law yet, simply a recommendation so to have a cop question you at a table in a restaurant is pushing the limits on this police state ppl are hoping for FeelsGoodMan

As I said, and has been quoted, if we are really at that stage, yea, shut everything down because that is rediculous

[SumAznGuy]

What you’re talking about is the equivalent to random stop checks. The same shit everyone has been crying about with people who live on the DTES native ppl etc. Only in this scenario they have absolutely no reasoning other than to ensure you live with the person you’re sitting beside. That’s pretty fucking loose reasoning. Also it is not a law yet, simply a recommendation so to have a cop question you at a table in a restaurant is pushing the limits on this police state ppl are hoping for FeelsGoodMan

As I said, and has been quoted, if we are really at that stage, yea, shut everything down because that is rediculous

Yet it is legal for police to pull you over and ask you to show them your drivers license or if you had anything to drink.

[SumAznGuy]

Think you should watch this video. These apps often have higher prices than the actual restaurant, so if you're picking up you should just call them directly.

https://dailyhive.com/toronto/tim-hortons-donuts-sixty-cents?fbclid=IwAR34aZHrHXBD4vix6hIf3AiWWg6N929naGI VKuykVj1Scg-z-pQvkX3YpWw

Don't think you are gonna be able to get this donut deal walking into the your local Timmies.

[Obsideon]

i haven't thought about ebisu for a while, will take out next time we're in dt
I'm usually at the Robson location Monday to Friday, look for me I'll hook something up ;)

does your broadway location still do dine-in or just take out?
Dine-In is open now. It's like we were already prepared for COVID 5 years ago when we built the divided booths and private tatami rooms lol EleGiggle

If we mention RS ... can we get 10% off ... just kidding. I know it's hard to make it nowadays. Any of the locations, Robson, Broadway, or Richmond helps, right? Will plan to do that.

I would recommend Broadway, they are currently doing discount on take-out, and I can tell the manager to hook up something for sure for RS members! Just let me know.

If we're at the point of cops coming into restaurants to check ID like it's gang squad, you might as well shut everything down.

If they asked me for ID i'd politely decline, pay my bill and leave.

How is this any different from the waitress asking for your ID to check if you are old enough to drink alcohol?
It's a very quick and simple request to just pull out your wallet for 20 seconds... not really worth the hassle to refuse IMHO

... or you might become one of those people filming themselves doing things like this lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohrXMwfcUb4

[Manic!]

Police break up anti-mask dance gathering at Quebec shopping mall, issue fines

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipiwsSib0zY

https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/police-break-up-anti-mask-dance-gathering-at-quebec-shopping-mall-issue-fines-1.5200212

[pastarocket]

I just received text message on my cell phone about a "test" of the emergency alert system.

-government is gonna use the emergency alert system texts for the next lockdown?

:suspicious:

[320icar]

What you’re talking about is the equivalent to random stop checks. The same shit everyone has been crying about with people who live on the DTES native ppl etc. Only in this scenario they have absolutely no reasoning other than to ensure you live with the person you’re sitting beside. That’s pretty fucking loose reasoning. Also it is not a law yet, simply a recommendation so to have a cop question you at a table in a restaurant is pushing the limits on this police state ppl are hoping for FeelsGoodMan

As I said, and has been quoted, if we are really at that stage, yea, shut everything down because that is rediculous

Are you one of those people

[StylinRed]

Ya got the same, the TV also went red with an emergency test warning

[westopher]

I just received text message on my cell phone about a "test" of the emergency alert system.

-government is gonna use the emergency alert system texts for the next lockdown?

:suspicious:
They should have been fucking using it all along to explain the measures they were taking. Too many people have been using the excuse “oh I didn’t know” when being asked to wear a mask

[JDMDreams]

ItS nOT MaNdaToRy, now it's I ChOoSE NoT tO

[punkwax]

They should have been fucking using it all along to explain the measures they were taking. Too many people have been using the excuse “oh I didn’t know” when being asked to wear a mask

I had a buddy messaging a group chat I’m in saying he could have 5 people over for the Tyson fight on Saturday. I let him know he was behind on the new rules and this guy isn’t an idiot.

I agree that people need to be spoonfed the latest info by whatever means necessary so no one can plead ignorance.

[Hondaracer]

Went to a brand new house in Burnaby today for work to check on somthing

10+ EI guys working inside, not one mask. While I was there for 10-15 minutes another 2 delivery drivers came and went inside dropping off stuff, chatting, no masks.

Rock on dudes

[JDMDreams]

^^ Fraser Health, another 941 today, we'll probably be at 1000 by the end of the week

[stewie]

^^ Fraser Health, another 941 today, we'll probably be at 1000 by the end of the week

738. we went down a bit!
Apparently there was an error on tuesday making it go from 941 to 706.

[StylinRed]

Most deaths in a single day since pandemic began (13) and hospitalisations including icu patients keep going up

[pastarocket]

738. we went down a bit!
Apparently there was an error on tuesday making it go from 941 to 706.

An improvement in the daily Covid numbers.

A guy named Ryan Klassen asked a question during Global BC's video broadcast on their Facebook page of Dr. Bonnie's Covid update:

Ryan Klassen: "Anyone know if you can fit 35 inch tires on without a lift..??"

:lawl:

[Teriyaki]

Went to a brand new house in Burnaby today for work to check on somthing

10+ EI guys working inside, not one mask. While I was there for 10-15 minutes another 2 delivery drivers came and went inside dropping off stuff, chatting, no masks.

Rock on dudes

Off topic but just curious. Whats an El guy?

[hchang]

Off topic but just curious. Whats an El guy?

East Indian guys.

[chinook79]

Off topic but just curious. Whats an El guy?

East Indian..
Their typical culture have them living with multi generations in one house.. yet, younger generations aren't taking COVID19 serious and is seen partying everywhere with 0 precaution on safety measure in pandemic.
Diwali (one of the most important East Indian holiday) didn't help in number of new cases either in recent spikes. It isn't just BC.. Yukon is hit hard by returning East Indian from Diwali party in BC carrying covid19 to the territory spreading to the community.

[inv4zn]

lol there was a guy on News 1130 yesterday, with a very thick EI accent, who was saying how he's very upset that his community is not taking covid seriously and how still too many people think they are invincible, and he's trying to get the message across but it's hard.

Is the attitude really that bad within the EI community?

[StylinRed]

Yes

But it's not just the younger gen, since they've been having house parties at home with their parents/grandparents partying too, during the lockdown even

[Obsideon]

Police break up anti-mask dance gathering at Quebec shopping mall, issue fines

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipiwsSib0zY

https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/police-break-up-anti-mask-dance-gathering-at-quebec-shopping-mall-issue-fines-1.5200212

Karen spotted in the white blouse lol

[Obsideon]

https://twitter.com/SrushtiGangdev/status/1331739922105962499

So that means... we didn't smash a new record yesterday, but the revised numbers also mean last weekend's report is no longer 1933 total, it's now 2220.
https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/zL48ecvX2NkW1cU0FEfgrCc7Rgo=/0x0:900x500/920x613/filters:focal(378x178:522x322):format(webp)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/49493993/this-is-fine.0.jpg

[whitev70r]

Curious what happens when an individual is issued a fine, how that is enforced? If it is a fine for a car/driving offense, it shows up when you try to renew your license if you don't pay. But if it is an individual, what happens if you don't pay? Just lots of collection agency letters?

[Alpine]

https://twitter.com/SrushtiGangdev/status/1331739922105962499

So that means... we didn't smash a new record yesterday, but the revised numbers also mean last weekend's report is no longer 1933 total, it's now 2220.


These are significant corrections and completely change how we thought we were doing. Cases have actually been trending down over the last week vs trending up.

[JDMDreams]

A year into the pandemic and they can't count?

And in Fraser Health if they get rid of one they will just make another one

https://youtu.be/3gD1woa_Cbw

[Hondaracer]

Fake numbers are fake?

[RiceIntegraRS]

Also it seems EIs are under the impression that even if they are Covid +, if they show no symptoms they are fine to wander about in public

[StylinRed]

It's not that they don't know how to count, it's about matching positive samples to their submission date I believe

[Hondaracer]

Life labs now doing antibody tests, $75 a pop:

https://www.lifelabs.com/how-to-order-covid19-antibody/

[underscore]

^ aren't they the ones that do the bogus allergy testing for naturopaths? I'd do some serious research before paying them for anything.

[whitev70r]

Think you should watch this video. These apps often have higher prices than the actual restaurant, so if you're picking up you should just call them directly.

Kudos to ON for putting 15% cap on delivery apps! At least during lockdown. Win win for everyone, encourage people to still support local restaurant industry.

[pastarocket]

-Covid vaccine rollout plan. Front line health care workers, first responders, and other people (seniors?) get the vaccine shots first.

OTTAWA (NEWS 1130) – Nurses, doctors, police officers, and firefighters will be among those first in line to get a COVID-19 vaccine.

Deputy Public Health Officer Dr. Howard Njoo outlined the country’s vaccine rollout on Thursday, confirming Canada is expecting six-million doses of vaccines in the first quarter of 2021.

“We’re doing everything we can to give Canadians access to the safest, most effective COVID-19 vaccines in the world,” Njoo said at the first in a series of weekly briefings on Canada’s vaccination efforts.

[Hondaracer]

So a colleague sent me a message saying there are road blocks around HWY 91 and HWY 17 as well as king George and 72nd checking to see if people within a vehicle live at the same address.

That’s weird..wonder which type of people they are targeting in those areas..

Can’t confirm it’s anything more than a rumour though

[pastarocket]

So a colleague sent me a message saying there are road blocks around HWY 91 and HWY 17 as well as king George and 72nd checking to see if people within a vehicle live at the same address.

That’s weird..wonder which type of people they are targeting in those areas..

Can’t confirm it’s anything more than a rumour though

That is a fact. One of my cousins was driving solo on Canada Way. She went through the checkpoint. She was wearing her mask.

Friends tell me that cops are checking for passengers in vehicles for people who are not immediate family members. If these people are not immediate family members, and are not wearing masks, they would receive $230 fine per person.

[Hondaracer]

Canada way in Burnaby? Does Canada way extend into surrey? Because my colleague mentioned Canada way as well in the same breathe but I was thinking Canada way is the oddball of those locations

[pastarocket]

Canada way in Burnaby? Does Canada way extend into surrey? Because my colleague mentioned Canada way as well in the same breathe but I was thinking Canada way is the oddball of those locations

Canada Way is really close to the Highway 1 entrance when you turn off Kensington Ave before taking the entrance to the Highway.

[JDMDreams]

^ I heard on the vi chat that it was fake, someone confirmed with something working in RCMP

[SumAznGuy]

^ I heard on the vi chat that it was fake, someone confirmed with something working in RCMP

Put it this way, until I see a ticket, it's fake news.

[Hondaracer]

Bonnie spreading scare rumours?

[SumAznGuy]

Bonnie spreading scare rumours?

It's always been like that.
Remember back in May, people said they were getting $1000 tickets for being in the same car as others with no mask.

Or earlier this week with the Cactus Club rumors.

No tickets, no believe.

And yes, Bonnie admitted to spreading scare rumors when she came out with that wedding scenario a few weeks back.

[pastarocket]

^ I heard on the vi chat that it was fake, someone confirmed with something working in RCMP

My cousin played me for a fool again! :facepalm:

-should have known better. There is no way she would be driving eastbound to another province home given her situation. :suspicious:

[whitev70r]

Meanwhile, in the 6 ... I hope the police had a great feast afterwards. Adamson BBQ actually has great food, better than Memphis, like Hog Shack level or better. But c'mon folks, take out BBQ is just as good ... why all the ruckus? Was it worth it?

https://youtu.be/4t5n2oOAu_U

[SumAznGuy]

Meanwhile, in the 6 ... I hope the police had a great feast afterwards. Adamson BBQ actually has great food, better than Memphis, like Hog Shack level or better. But c'mon folks, take out BBQ is just as good ... why all the ruckus? Was it worth it?

https://youtu.be/4t5n2oOAu_U

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/police-arrest-owner-of-toronto-bbq-restaurant-for-defying-covid-19-lockdown-1.5205328

The idiot owner is a covid denier and posted some lame ass video about opening during the lockdown.

Not going to post that video as I don't want him getting any more attention than he deserves.

[CivicBlues]

^after they cuff these morons they should slap a mask on them. That'll be the greatest poetic insult. Plus they're putting them into squad cars, why the fuck not?

[StylinRed]

Why was everyone so heated tho... Jesus


887 new cases today, 13 more deaths, and growing hospitalizations

[SumAznGuy]

Why was everyone so heated tho... Jesus

Sounds like all covid deniers who support the restaurant owner, or the BBQ is that good.

887 cases today according the gov website.

[Obsideon]

Walmart employee in Dawson Creek, B.C., attacked after asking man to wear mask (https://globalnews.ca/news/7485947/dawson-creek-walmart-mask-assault/)

What in the flying fuck?! He literally ground and pound the poor minimum wage worker that's just doing his job ... that's messed up...

[SkinnyPupp]

Walmart employee in Dawson Creek, B.C., attacked after asking man to wear mask (https://globalnews.ca/news/7485947/dawson-creek-walmart-mask-assault/)

What in the flying fuck?! He literally ground and pound the poor minimum wage worker that's just doing his job ... that's messed up...
Last time this happened, the person who attacked the employee got into a police stand off and was killed.

Over wearing a mask.

It sucks that these employees are being put into this position.

[Hondaracer]

Walmart cant afford to have beefed up security? :/

[whitev70r]

Sounds like all covid deniers who support the restaurant owner, or the BBQ is that good.

What I don't get is that they can do take outs. That restaurant constantly sells out every day ... yes, it's that good.
Nobody says you can't open ... just feed the hillbilly crowd by containers!

[SkinnyPupp]

What I don't get is that they can do take outs. That restaurant constantly sells out every day ... yes, it's that good.
Nobody says you can't open ... just feed the hillbilly crowd by containers!
Because "muh rights"

[Obsideon]

Last time this happened, the person who attacked the employee got into a police stand off and was killed.

Over wearing a mask.

It sucks that these employees are being put into this position.

Wish there was instant karma for these shitheads ... so the employee trying to do the right thing now has a busted lip and emotional scarring. Maybe a pat on the back by his manager and the asshat just got escorted out and released for a "hearing at a later date".
Sigh.

[SumAznGuy]

What I don't get is that they can do take outs. That restaurant constantly sells out every day ... yes, it's that good.
Nobody says you can't open ... just feed the hillbilly crowd by containers!

Because "muh rights"

Exactly this.
Guy's video was about rights, sovereign nation, and some other bat shit crazy stuff.

But hey, it's publicity for his restaurant.

[JDMDreams]

I heard were at like 72% capacity at the hospitals and 69% of the cases in bc is Fraser Health

[westopher]

Walmart cant afford to have beefed up security? :/
They can’t “afford” fair wages for their workers so they definitely can’t afford to protect them.

[spoon.ek9]

article mentioned they have hired a security guard

[Ch28]

Walmart cant afford to have beefed up security? :/

All those fuckers care about is making money hand over fist. Every single Walmart that I've gone to since COVID started has basically replaced all cash registers with self-checkout.

[N.V.M.]

seems to me you can cheat those self checkouts so easy! you can use a different bar code you carry around with you, and you can omit an item or two.

[ilovebacon]

They can’t “afford” fair wages for their workers so they definitely can’t afford to protect them.

This is why you should protect yourself than to get into a fight with a minimum wage pay...

[welfare]

Meanwhile, in the 6 ... I hope the police had a great feast afterwards. Adamson BBQ actually has great food, better than Memphis, like Hog Shack level or better. But c'mon folks, take out BBQ is just as good ... why all the ruckus? Was it worth it?


I suspect his intention was to have his business shut down and be fined.
That way he can take it to court, and if he wins, set the precedent for unconstitutional shutdowns of businesses.
His lawyers seem to think he has a strong case.
section 7 of the charter of rights:
https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/csj-sjc/rfc-dlc/ccrf-ccdl/check/art7.html

[StylinRed]

I'm surprised other employees didn't jump in though

[Hondaracer]

All those fuckers care about is making money hand over fist. Every single Walmart that I've gone to since COVID started has basically replaced all cash registers with self-checkout.

Well, the people that shop at Walmart seem to be the type that also work there, a vicious cycle... EleGiggle

[6793026]

East Indian or not, household gatherings are the worse because a) once you're in the household, by the 1st hour, EVERYONE takes off their masks.

People with large family households, were jam packed within the same househould / backyard.. and caused huge outbreaks.

[Hondaracer]

https://i.imgur.com/0QBcN72.jpg

[welfare]

Wonder how many who donated are business owners who want to see him win in court. Consider it an investment.
Be able to hire some decent lawyers with that. Probably win it too.

[Teriyaki]

Excellent. Nevermind the actual court case, now you've got precedent of just making a huge ruckus and getting a fat kickstarter paycheque. You just know they'll be people trying to cash in on something similar

[whitev70r]

Knowing our court system, by the time it gets to court, we would have given everyone in Canada the vaccine ... except this group of course. I hope by then it would not be an issue of restaurants opening.

[GLOW]

I'm surprised other employees didn't jump in though

i was waiting for someone to go up from behind and apply a rear naked choke :ilied:

[Nlkko]

Walmart employee in Dawson Creek, B.C., attacked after asking man to wear mask (https://globalnews.ca/news/7485947/dawson-creek-walmart-mask-assault/)

What in the flying fuck?! He literally ground and pound the poor minimum wage worker that's just doing his job ... that's messed up...

I can already imagine how kindly a BC judge would look at this and the punitive damages that the judge would hand out for assault.

[JDMDreams]

^^ well didn't Van just voted to legalize small amount of drugs cuz they too lazy to enforce it

[ImportPsycho]

Walmart employee in Dawson Creek, B.C., attacked after asking man to wear mask (https://globalnews.ca/news/7485947/dawson-creek-walmart-mask-assault/)

What in the flying fuck?! He literally ground and pound the poor minimum wage worker that's just doing his job ... that's messed up...

someone needs to ID this piece of shit
but in Dawson Creek... maybe he'll get high fives from his friends and colleagues... :facepalm:

[underscore]

Last time this happened, the person who attacked the employee got into a police stand off and was killed.

Over wearing a mask.

It sucks that these employees are being put into this position.

Way back in the spring someone shot and killed a security guard in the US for being asked to wear a mask. There's no limit to peoples stupidity.

Anyone physically assaulting some poor worker over this stuff needs to get the shit kicked out of them though. Fuck being a better person and all that crap. Leave the poor person making min wage alone, grow the fuck up and wear a mask. If they can't do that basic thing they're unlikely to provide any value to society.

[Hondaracer]

^^ well didn't Van just voted to legalize small amount of drugs cuz they too lazy to enforce it

thats not how that works..

[GGnoRE]

That adamson bbq guys is on another level but I really feel for the small business owners that are forced to shut down in toronto. They are being asked to sacrifice for the good of society but then I see tons of people still going out and not avoiding non-essential travel despite being asked to by BC CDC. Even reading posts in this forum, I'd bet that people are still going out for non-essential travel and risk contracting and spreading covid. Don't even get me started with the big box stores and their black friday sales. Its all or nothing in my opinion. Either go hard with enforcement or let the businesses operate with covid protocols.

[JDMDreams]

I think all retailer businesses are trying to say they are essential and milk as much money as they can while they still can. You think that min wage walmart employee really wants to be there? Or the min wage at best buy? Even if you are young you are still risking your life + future health complications down the line.

[320icar]

In other provinces that have shit down all non-essential stores, there have been modifications. For example the Costco’s have roped off all of centres and hardlines. You can only shop the foods side of the store.

[welfare]

That adamson bbq guys is on another level but I really feel for the small business owners that are forced to shut down in toronto. They are being asked to sacrifice for the good of society but then I see tons of people still going out and not avoiding non-essential travel despite being asked to by BC CDC. Even reading posts in this forum, I'd bet that people are still going out for non-essential travel and risk contracting and spreading covid. Don't even get me started with the big box stores and their black friday sales. Its all or nothing in my opinion. Either go hard with enforcement or let the businesses operate with covid protocols.

You know I find it disturbing how many people are not only willing, but clamouring to have our government assume such control over our freedom. Taking australia as some exemplary model.
It's not the return to "normal" that people are longing for. They are living in a literal prison state. And it's not even based in rationality. You can hold a beach ball under water but it will come up as soon as you let go.

I actually have a level of admiration for this Adamson guy.
My brother developed one of the most prominent diesel repair shops in the lower mainland. We had nothing growing up. He created that business with his intelligence, timing, location, and the drive and dedication it takes to create a successful business from nothing. His story isn't unique. It's the story of every entrepreneur who's successfully grown a business.
And they are the lifeblood of our economy. To see people begging to have their life's work destroyed without regard is disheartening.
I'm not saying that's you. But it seems to be the sentiment of many.

[VRYALT3R3D]

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/police-arrest-owner-of-toronto-bbq-restaurant-for-defying-covid-19-lockdown-1.5205328

The idiot owner is a covid denier and posted some lame ass video about opening during the lockdown.

Not going to post that video as I don't want him getting any more attention than he deserves.

I live in Toronto and his other two locations are take out only for years now. He just knows how to play his stupid followers and I bet Rebel News is involved somehow.

[Bouncing Bettys]

Some of the loudest voices calling for mandatory masks and lockdowns from the government, also seem to want UBI, livable wages, universal healthcare (US), etc. This has been one of, if not the greatest transfer of wealth to the top earners and the further eradication of the middle class , all facilitated by governments. Just don't get your hopes up for a UBI or other improvements to the rest of us.

[underscore]

You know I find it disturbing how many people are not only willing, but clamouring to have our government assume such control over our freedom. Taking australia as some exemplary model.
It's not the return to "normal" that people are longing for. They are living in a literal prison state. And it's not even based in rationality. You can hold a beach ball under water but it will come up as soon as you let go.

Did you even read that article about Aus? They went and ripped the bandaid off and got it over with instead of slowly dragging it out like everyone else. They were able to have 40k people attend a rugby match a month ago. That's a hell of a lot more normal than anything I expect we'll be able to do anytime soon. People still seem to be clinging to this idea that it's possible to get through this with no impact and that's been shown to not be possible. Small businesses are going to get hit regardless. Swedens economy took a hit even with how little they did.

And honestly I'm getting a bit sick of people using "freedom" as a reason to be selfish (in general, not just with COVID). Restrictions would only be impacting those incapable of doing the right thing on their own. Those who are able to be considerate of others are already restricting themselves anyways, so whether it's official or not it makes no difference to them.

[Liquid_o2]

A friend of mine just arrived in Australia earlier this week because her partner lives there. Security picks you up from the airport when you land, sticks you on a bus, and takes you to an undisclosed hotel for 14 days of quarantine. She is on day 5. They don't mess around.

[sonick]

A friend of mine just arrived in Australia earlier this week because her partner lives there. Security picks you up from the airport when you land, sticks you on a bus, and takes you to an undisclosed hotel for 14 days of quarantine. She is on day 5. They don't mess around.

Forcefully loaded on a bus? Sent to an undisclosed location? Held against your will?

Imagine how MAGA COVID freedumb hoaxers and the russian propaganda machines could spin that if they did this in North America.

[GGnoRE]

You know I find it disturbing how many people are not only willing, but clamouring to have our government assume such control over our freedom. Taking australia as some exemplary model.
It's not the return to "normal" that people are longing for. They are living in a literal prison state. And it's not even based in rationality. You can hold a beach ball under water but it will come up as soon as you let go.

I actually have a level of admiration for this Adamson guy.
My brother developed one of the most prominent diesel repair shops in the lower mainland. We had nothing growing up. He created that business with his intelligence, timing, location, and the drive and dedication it takes to create a successful business from nothing. His story isn't unique. It's the story of every entrepreneur who's successfully grown a business.
And they are the lifeblood of our economy. To see people begging to have their life's work destroyed without regard is disheartening.
I'm not saying that's you. But it seems to be the sentiment of many.

Not sure if you misunderstood my post or if I didn't word it clearly. What I'm saying is the gov't should NOT be closing down the small businesses unless it is also willing to do everything in its power to stop non-essential travel during the lockdown. Look at what is happening in Toronto https://www.blogto.com/fashion_style/2020/11/black-friday-sale-vaughan-mills-toronto-lockdown/. Small businesses are forced to close while there is a huge line-up to get into the mall for black friday. If I was a small business owner facing bankruptcy due to lockdown, I'd be livid. Current projection for Ontario is that the curve will hover around the current rate (~1500 cases/day) near the end of December https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-ontarios-curve-flattening-but-not-time-to-loosen-lockdown-top/. So after 4 weeks of lockdown, then what? Extend the closure of businesses to prevent the curve from rising again? Or loosen the restriction and let the cases increase? Like I said before, gov't should either do everything in its power to dramatically reduce the spread of covid during the lockdown, or they should let the businesses operate with covid protocols.

[whitev70r]

You know I find it disturbing how many people are not only willing, but clamouring to have our government assume such control over our freedom.

I'm surprised that you are only able to handle one concept at a time. While it is true that individuals with hard work ethic and creativity should be applauded and have the freedom to open their businesses. WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY and everything we do as individuals has implications for others. So a government must balance the good of the individual with the good of the society as a whole. In a democracy, we elect governments and enable them to make those decisions for the good of the society. Yes, sometimes an individual's rights are diminished while the rights of the society must be protected.

What don't you understand about this?

For the Adamson BBQ owner, can we state that it was only to shut down dine in. They were encouraged to and allowed to do take out businesses. It's a minor inconvenience imposed for the health of the larger society. Fairly applied to all restaurants, not just his.

[westopher]

A friend of mine just did the mandatory lock down as he moved back to aus. Now he’s done, going to his favourite restaurants, seeing his friends, taking photos at car meets and having a fucking great life BUT OMG GOBERNMENT DUDTOPIA LIFE RUIEND NO FREEDUM.
Imagine giving up two weeks of your life to have some sense of normalcy instead of giving up basically 9 months and having clearly no end to this clusterfuck. Seems like a pretty easy fucking choice.

[twitchyzero]

i mean there's gonna be flare ups again but i'd rather close things down once in a while

the most frustrating part here is really the no end in sight aspect

[CivicBlues]

I'm surprised that you are only able to handle one concept at a time. While it is true that individuals with hard work ethic and creativity should be applauded and have the freedom to open their businesses. WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY and everything we do as individuals has implications for others.



Agree with everything you said but I read this in George Costanza's voice:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhe3RlzgTiQ

[welfare]

A friend of mine just did the mandatory lock down as he moved back to aus. Now he’s done, going to his favourite restaurants, seeing his friends, taking photos at car meets and having a fucking great life BUT OMG GOBERNMENT DUDTOPIA LIFE RUIEND NO FREEDUM.
Imagine giving up two weeks of your life to have some sense of normalcy instead of giving up basically 9 months and having clearly no end to this clusterfuck. Seems like a pretty easy fucking choice.
Australia is also an island. It's easy to regulate who comes and goes.
That doesn't happen when 70% of your trade runs across the longest unprotected border in the world.

[welfare]

I'm surprised that you are only able to handle one concept at a time. While it is true that individuals with hard work ethic and creativity should be applauded and have the freedom to open their businesses. WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY and everything we do as individuals has implications for others. So a government must balance the good of the individual with the good of the society as a whole. In a democracy, we elect governments and enable them to make those decisions for the good of the society. Yes, sometimes an individual's rights are diminished while the rights of the society must be protected.

What don't you understand about this?

For the Adamson BBQ owner, can we state that it was only to shut down dine in. They were encouraged to and allowed to do take out businesses. It's a minor inconvenience imposed for the health of the larger society. Fairly applied to all restaurants, not just his.

The problem is it's not based in reality.
Over 80% of the covid deaths in this country are from long term care homes. These are people who are already segregated from society. Completely locked down with no visitors.
The only place it's been able to get in is through the employees.
Crippling the economy, exploding our debt, among the many other consequences shutdowns place on society, because we can't manage to keep these employees in this tiny segment of the population from bringing covid in is asinine.

[JDMDreams]

From what I've heard, ppl in Toronto were just going to outskirts to shop, so these regional isolated shutdowns are useless unless I guess you do it China style and put road blocks on the roads.

[pastarocket]

https://www.citynews1130.com/2020/11/27/former-nato-leader-covid-19-vaccine-criticism/

Interesting article. Trudeau is appointing former NATO commander Dany Fortin to lead Canada's vaccine distributon efforts.


-from the article:

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and health authorities have said that the military will play a key role in getting the vaccines, when they are approved for use, to the country’s most vulnerable.

“Canada is well prepared for large-scale rollouts of vaccines, but this will be the biggest immunization in the history of the country,” he said outside his Rideau Cottage home. “We must reach everyone who wants a vaccine no matter where they live.”

It’s for this reason that he said the country was setting up a new body to stickhandle the complex task.

“We are standing up a National Operations Centre, through the Public Health Agency of Canada, with the support of the Canadian Armed Forces to coordinate logistics and distribution of vaccines,” Trudeau said.

Trudeau reaffirmed that the federal government and provinces will need to work seamlessly to guarantee the success of the National Operations Centre.

“In our meeting, the premiers spoke about the need to work in partnership with the federal government,” he said. “They also brought up the fact that in certain cases, they will need support to ensure that everyone is reached, including vulnerable people and Indigenous people.”

Premiers have said they need more answers around vaccine rollout, noting they are responsible for the final logistics.


Hmmm, that means Horgan's health minister Adrian Dix would be responsible for final logistics of distributing the Covid vaccine to all B.C. residents.
:considered:
:

[JDMDreams]

^^ if we can't even get people to wear a mask why do you think they will vaccinate

[Hondaracer]

People forget that 6 months ago BC was being plauded as the example to the world and Bonnie Henry had her picture in the New York Times etc?

Without widespread vaccination Australia will be back to having cases in no time. Everyone’s in a circle jerk about these blips of success. Aus is also in their summer right now. Not that they get weather that traps people inside in the winter like we do here. But it’s all apples and oranges.

BC is trying to walk this tight rope right or wrong in keeping businesses open and controlling the numbers. It seems like really the only place that can be hailed as the example is South Korea and really it isn’t a coincidence that these places that do well are also islands.

In Australia as well, you pretty much aren’t driving between major cities. The distances are so prohibitive that no one is just driving to another big city to vacation etc. There is very little like Vancouver to Kelowna or Edmonton to Calgary.

[welfare]

They're also constantly going in and out of lockdowns anytime singular cases arise.
Southern australia just entered another one last week just because one restaurant owner lied about info for contact tracing.
When the system is that fragile, you have to ask if it's actually "working".

[StylinRed]

^^^ there's also New Zealand as a perfect example

Also people in Australia are constantly going on road trips, from adelaide to Melbourne, or Melbourne to Sydney, or Sydney to Brisbane etc it's quite popular/common, let alone rail travel (rail is a far more popular form of travel than here)

granted these are drives between their metropolitan cities 9-12hr drives but there are popular holiday destinations between more in tune with a Kelowna etc (like port macquarie)

They're also constantly going in and out of lockdowns anytime singular cases arise.
Southern australia just entered another one last week just because one restaurant owner lied about info for contact tracing.
When the system is that fragile, you have to ask if it's actually "working".

Is it fragile? Or are they just really on top of their game to prevent mass outbreaks?

[320icar]

Walmart employee in Dawson Creek, B.C., attacked after asking man to wear mask (https://globalnews.ca/news/7485947/dawson-creek-walmart-mask-assault/)

What in the flying fuck?! He literally ground and pound the poor minimum wage worker that's just doing his job ... that's messed up...

https://i.chzbgr.com/full/9573760512/h1AAC028D/building-walmart-supercentre-entered-pvp-enabled-zone-offe

[JDMDreams]

Let's not forget Taiwan and HK, there's proven strategies that work, it's just whether it's politically beneficial to put these strategies in place. Based on Canada's trying to be average on everything track record we're fucked.

[Hondaracer]

More islands? Weird

[westopher]

You guys know we only have one border to a nation that’s been closed for 8 months though, right?

[320icar]

Yes, but the worlds largest unprotected border. Not saying people are jumping across the ditch but we aren’t Israel with our border control

[westopher]

The amount of quarantine exceptions the Canadian government has granted is pretty pathetic. Fucking Costco ceo cutting a ribbon being deemed “essential travel” tells you what are issues are.
Oh you’re rich? Please spit in my mouth. Thank you sir may I have another?

[JDMDreams]

^ Politically beneficial, I guess all the Fraser Health infections are people coming up from the murica and staying in Fraser Health

[Hondaracer]

“Frequent business travellers” were also exempt from quarantine for some time

Turd is more worried about hurting feelings than dealing with covid.

[SkinnyPupp]

I like how islands are suddenly super important as if the only way to get to Taiwan or New Zealand is to swim LUL

[pastarocket]

Translink expanded its mask policy.

https://www.citynews1130.com/2020/11/27/translink-mask-policy-updated/

VANCOUVER (NEWS 1130) — Passengers boarding or waiting for transit need to have a mask on now that TransLink has expanded its policy.

Masks have been required while on Metro Vancouver transit since August, but since the province has issued a provincial order, the rules have been changed.

Those who are able to wear a mask must do so at any indoor shelter where people are boarding or waiting, which includes stations, platforms, bus stops and loops, as well as bus exchanges.

Face shields are not an acceptable replacement for non-medical masks or face coverings, according to the transit authority.


TransLink also can’t issue exemption cards anymore since masks are an order from the province. Transit Police will speak with any passengers not wearing a mask.

Failing to wear a mask can lead to a $230 fine, which Transit Police can issue.

However, TransLink urges customers not to enforce the rule themselves.

About 95 per cent of people on transit have been wearing masks and TransLink expects compliance with the changes.

[SkinnyPupp]

Good to hear they were at 95% compliance already, and that face shields aren't being accepted (drives me crazy when I see NFL coaches wear these and getting away with it)

[underscore]

Yes, but the worlds largest unprotected border. Not saying people are jumping across the ditch but we aren’t Israel with our border control

How much traffic comes across in unprotected areas though? Obviously it's hard to get exact numbers on illegal crossings but I would imagine it's a pretty small percentage of the normal amount of legal crossings.

Unless those island nations have really cranked up their coast guard I imagine smugglers are still running boats in and out or getting things through ports. It might be harder to do than sneaking across the Canadian border but I'd be curious to see how different it really is.

[JDMDreams]

I think they should say bandanas and scarves don't count as face coverings

[Obsideon]

A friend of mine just arrived in Australia earlier this week because her partner lives there. Security picks you up from the airport when you land, sticks you on a bus, and takes you to an undisclosed hotel for 14 days of quarantine. She is on day 5. They don't mess around.

Korea is the same, arrive at the airport, you pay $2800 and they escort you to a designated building for mandatory quarantine for 14 days. 3 meals a day is provided for you. If you open your apartment door other than to pick up the tray of food an alarm sounds.

I follow this guy on YouTube, he reviewed all the food you get during the quarantine, looks pretty good haha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsfwidET_xc

He did say he was getting bored of eating "similar" food day in and day out, but he made the most of it and looks decent. He's doing exercises, watching Netflix.
The key point is after the quarantine is done, the successive videos of him eating around the country looks NORMAL.
I would love to be able to do that here, but alas... FREEEEEEEEDOM!

[welfare]

Yes, but the worlds largest unprotected border. Not saying people are jumping across the ditch but we aren’t Israel with our border control

I don't think people are grasping, we're talking about singular cases causing district shutdowns in these places. That's how tight the ship is.
There's literally zero room for mistakes. Everything must be accounted for.

[Hondaracer]

Yea Mikey Chen’s experience was interesting he did a good job documenting it. I enjoy his vids even though he’s a bit over the top seems like a legitamitely nice guy

My wife watched the videos with me and she’s like Uhg..definitely would have to be ordering from the Korean supermarkets lol..I thought I could get by on most days especially with those chicken cutlets etc. Breakfast leaves a little to be desired though

As a counter example to his Korean experience though on the Canadian side my wife’s idiot cousin (she is like a legit dummy) went to LA in August to meet up with a guy she met online... her dad who she lived with at the time had no idea she was there until she phoned him and tried to lay out her quarantine plan as his place. He said lol good luck, figure it out yourself.

She flew back to Vancouver, told the border agents of some BS plan, and then proceeded to have a friend pick her up and ultimately made her way to Squamish where her mom lives..who knows how many people she came into contact with etc. However giving any sort of BS plan was enough to get into Van and basically do whatever you wanted

[Obsideon]

Over the last few months I've actually coincidentally overheard a few customers that I know for a fact broke quarantine.

One guy I chatted with:
Him: Oh ya this is my 10th day here.... I mean 10th day... after finishing quarantine... so umm ya it's my 20th day
Me: You mean 24?
Him: Ya, ya right.

A dad and son:
"Ya today is our 14th day of quarantine, we are from Atlanta"
In my mind [but he was here 2 days ago, and 4 days before that.]

Like at the point what am I supposed to do?
https://i.imgur.com/AfG4vZG.gif

[StylinRed]

Oh yeah, I was googling t&ts hours yesterday for the coquitlam location, and came upon a story saying a few employees were covid+ so just a heads up, t&t says they've gone thru a deep cleaning

https://www.tricitynews.com/news/t-t-supermarket-in-coquitlam-reports-multiple-covid-19-exposures-1.24244572

[SumAznGuy]

Oh yeah, I was googling t&ts hours yesterday for the coquitlam location, and came upon a story saying a few employees were covid+ so just a heads up, t&t says they've gone thru a deep cleaning

https://www.tricitynews.com/news/t-t-supermarket-in-coquitlam-reports-multiple-covid-19-exposures-1.24244572

Yeah, that was a couple of days ago.

Today was 911 cases and 11 deaths.

Alberta is still in the 12XX cases and Ontario hit a new high, just shy of 1900 cases.

[SkinnyPupp]

Yea Mikey Chen’s experience was interesting he did a good job documenting it. I enjoy his vids even though he’s a bit over the top seems like a legitamitely nice guy

My wife watched the videos with me and she’s like Uhg..definitely would have to be ordering from the Korean supermarkets lol..I thought I could get by on most days especially with those chicken cutlets etc. Breakfast leaves a little to be desired though

As a counter example to his Korean experience though on the Canadian side my wife’s idiot cousin (she is like a legit dummy) went to LA in August to meet up with a guy she met online... her dad who she lived with at the time had no idea she was there until she phoned him and tried to lay out her quarantine plan as his place. He said lol good luck, figure it out yourself.

She flew back to Vancouver, told the border agents of some BS plan, and then proceeded to have a friend pick her up and ultimately made her way to Squamish where her mom lives..who knows how many people she came into contact with etc. However giving any sort of BS plan was enough to get into Van and basically do whatever you wanted
So as you can see, policy is more important than being an island.

[JDMDreams]

#grandma #grandpa lives matter, sure it's easy to say let the old people die, and 10 a day isn't much but why don't you roll up to your parents house and tell them to go die, give me that inheritance for the condo

[Hondaracer]

Yea it’s much better to be spoon fed and shitting your pants in some horrible facility

[StylinRed]

Did you seriously just say that these ppl who've passed are better off dead?

...

[Hondaracer]

If you no longer have the ability to communicate or barely can and are being spoon fed In some facility so your family can come say hi for 15 minutes a week then yes, I did.

As Bonnie once again said today, almost all the deaths occurred in long term care facilities. My parents and most people’s parents I know would share that sentiment I believe.

It’s not a better situation in that yesterday they were alive and today they are dead. However given the circumstances if people in those conditions contracted covid and were having to deal with the fight involved, I’d say Yea, you’re probably better off dead.

Again, I go back to people getting their panties in a bunch over an 80+ year old long term care resident dieing but no one gives two shits about the 16 year old junkie that ODed.

[68style]

^ I see them both as no longer contributing to society and using resources.... but at least the 80 year old fuckin earned it and ostensibly pre-paid into the system their whole working life. Give em a break, they’re not sacrificial lambs........

[StylinRed]

On top of that it's not just ppl in long term care homes dying and not even all of those are invalids, and of those it's not our place to say "eh whatever bud ur better off dead"

[SkinnyPupp]

^ I see them both as no longer contributing to society and using resources.... but at least the 80 year old fuckin earned it and ostensibly pre-paid into the system their whole working life. Give em a break, they’re not sacrificial lambs........
You goddamn lefties, showing compassion for people who aren't currently contributing to my wealth FailFish

[westopher]

Again, I go back to people getting their panties in a bunch over an 80+ year old long term care resident dieing but no one gives two shits about the 16 year old junkie that ODed.
You aren’t looking very hard if you think people don’t give a fuck about the overdose crisis.
Drug use isn’t a communicable disease, which is why you don’t see the measures taken that are being done for covid. The same people who are the ones that don’t give a fuck about the old people dying are the ones that don’t want “junkies” around and shit their fucking pants about taxpayer money going into harm reduction policies like drug decriminalization and prescription heroin and the like.

[welfare]

I just don't get why it's so hard to keep covid out of these care homes. All they'd need to do is test employees prior rather than after outbreaks.
They can't even do that and contain it from these extremely vulnerable places. Good luck containing it in the entire of society.

[320icar]

my parents and most people’s parents I know would share that sentiment I believe...

...Again, I go back to people getting their panties in a bunch over an 80+ year old long term care resident dieing but no one gives two shits about the 16 year old junkie that ODed.

You really are a piece of shit [edit: in this thread], and now I know where you got it from.

[Hondaracer]

Nevermind, enjoy your weekend :fullofwin:

[320icar]

You can be put in jail for murder if you don’t tell someone you have aids and they contract it.

https://davidcrowe.ca/SciHealthEnv/hiv-sex-jailtime.html

Most seriously of all, Hamiltonian Johnson Aziga might be convicted of first-degree murder because two women he had sex with later died of AIDS. [Herald, 2005]


So what if you know you’re Covid positive, but you are the kind of person like <redacted> and you don’t give a fuck about anyone else. You go about your normal day, pass Covid on and a bunch of elderly people die. Then what, not your fault? Fuck em?

[MarkyMark]

Well you can also cut someone's head off on a bus and be set free so I'd set the sentence to be somewhere between 'house arrest' and 'please don't do that again eh?'.

[SkinnyPupp]

I can see where Hondaracer is coming from in regards to assisted suicide; it's something I'd definitely consider for myself if the time comes. But it should always be up to the person, not to anyone else. And that includes not just letting a pandemic run wild and letting it wipe out the elderly.

[mikemhg]

I can see where Hondaracer is coming from in regards to assisted suicide; it's something I'd definitely consider for myself if the time comes. But it should always be up to the person, not to anyone else. And that includes not just letting a pandemic run wild and letting it wipe out the elderly.

:lol Honda is a total asshole, but I actually agree with a few of his points, somewhat.

Assisted suicide should ALWAYS be a choice, and IMHO should never be illegal. If I'm ever crippled, or shitting myself all day without any autonomy, you better believe I'm going to take that Fenty ride to the afterlife. Some of these old folk's lives aren't lives to me, it's a state of purgatory, a vegetable wasting away to the inevitable end.

That is a life I never want to have, I very much plan to leave on my own terms when the time comes.

I don't understand all the arguing in this thread, what's the fucking point? There is nothing our elected officials can do that will appease everyone, we live in a society sharply divided and polarized, we're essentially fucked until this ride is over here.

I haven't seen anyone offer any realistic solutions that would work in this type of society, this whole thing reminds me of climate change, an issue we know that's happening, but no one cares enough to make any sacrifices or changes. As such, we'll ride this baby until the wheels fall off.

[whitev70r]

https://twitter.com/SurreyRCMP/status/1332365338877583360

[welfare]

You can be put in jail for murder if you don’t tell someone you have aids and they contract it.

https://davidcrowe.ca/SciHealthEnv/hiv-sex-jailtime.html



So what if you know you’re Covid positive, but you are the kind of person like <redacted> and you don’t give a fuck about anyone else. You go about your normal day, pass Covid on and a bunch of elderly people die. Then what, not your fault? Fuck em?

But it's not aids.
Its nowhere near a terminal illness. Even in the demographic of 80+ the morality rate is above 90%

[welfare]

I can see where Hondaracer is coming from in regards to assisted suicide; it's something I'd definitely consider for myself if the time comes. But it should always be up to the person, not to anyone else. And that includes not just letting a pandemic run wild and letting it wipe out the elderly.

Yeah that's a though one.
My mom signed a DNR. Of course I had no idea. When the doctor told me at the hospital my heart just about dropped to the floor.
One of the last (intelligible) things she said was "I'm not gone yet".

It's one thing to make that choice in the moment you're in. But when you're on that bed, and your whole family is huddled around you, praying to god you'll just pull through, and the doctor can do nothing to make that happen, that's a whole other moment.

[MarkyMark]

It's a tough situation when it comes to your parents. My dad has made it mighty clear to me that when the time comes he wants to be 'put out to pasture'. He doesn't want to be alive only because he's hooked up to machines or being fed by a tube.

It doesn't matter what my feelings are on it, whatever he wants is what's going to happen when the time comes. Maybe it helps that we aren't a religious family, there's no 'higher power' to answer to, it's just you as a human being deciding when you've had enough.

[whitev70r]

Having a conversation as a family on what you like at the end of life or if something happened.

https://youtu.be/J1r0Xbh0UVo

[ImportPsycho]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IhR-R722Gk

what a bunch of fucking idiots
"you are required by law to accommodate us"
SMH...

[320icar]

Hearing them yell “go back to China!” In the background is fucking disgusting.

[StylinRed]

The police who didn't issue them a ticket or anything other than attempting to de-escalate the situation was pathetic

[Hondaracer]

Korea scrambling to find hospital beds as they hit 500+ cases a day, even with the preceding precautions for quarantine etc.

[GLOW]

The police who didn't issue them a ticket or anything other than attempting to de-escalate the situation was pathetic

if no tickets were issued, def soft as charmin

[68style]

... did you guys watch the video?

It clearly states that Mike Farnsworth decided to institute fines for people the day after this happened.

[stewie]

if no tickets were issued, def soft as charmin
... did you guys watch the video?

It clearly states that Mike Farnsworth decided to institute fines for people the day after this happened.


Get rid of the whole de-escalation needs to be removed. Its not like they've been loving under a rock and being told for tge first time to put a mask on.
Hit them hard where it counts - the wallet. On that same note, a 200$ ticket is useless. Make it minimum 500$ and if they become belligerent then bump it to arresting and put them in a holding cell for 24 hours to give them a nice criminal record the next time they apply for a job. If I was an owner of a store and any of my employees were anti markers on their own free time I'd fire them as they're a complete insult to the business and bring a bad reputation.

Edited to add your comment in 68style

[whitev70r]

^ as part of the 'fine' or punishment, can we put them in a holding tank with someone Covid positive?

[stewie]

^ as part of the 'fine' or punishment, can we put them in a holding tank with someone Covid positive?

I'd fully support that. At the same time refuse them medical aid telling them theres already a shortage of hospital beds because assholes like them refuse to wear a mask

[Manic!]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IhR-R722Gk

what a bunch of fucking idiots
"you are required by law to accommodate us"
SMH...

This is why store owners need bats.

[Spoon]

I'm surprised there's no news of X persons getting fired for attending these rallies. Who the heck wants to work close to these people anyways ... :heckno:

[Doubl3_H]

if no tickets were issued, def soft as charmin

Disobeying public health order and store policy, intimidation and racial slurs, no fine or any kind of repercussions.

Having a drink at the beach and not disturbing the peace, police issue you fine and pour out your liquor.

Ass backwards

[Hondaracer]

When everyone sees these stories like this how can anyone take the orders seriously?

Like Somone sees people shouting go back to China and fuck you serve me without a mask it’s my right! And then police take them out, don’t ticket them, don’t even give them a slap on a wrist and then someone is suppose to think it’s the end of the world to get together with a friend they haven’t seen in 6 months for a beer on a patio? It’s a fucking joke

[Teriyaki]

Wonder how they'd react if store employee after hearing "go-back-to-China"... went "Alright, get out of the store then. I need to close up so I can go back to China"

"NO, SERVE ME"!!

Bad apples ruining it for the rest of us as per usual it seems

[JDMDreams]

They don't get tickets because they don't have IllEgAl cAmBer

[RRxtar]

A lot of talk about "think of the seniors" a page ago.

Just got off the phone with my 86 year old grandma who is nearly in tears and doesn't know what to do. Her normal life is going to church every morning, going for coffee after with her small group of friends, and coming over to our house (or us going there) to see my 3 year old, her great grand son and the most important thing in her life who lights up her day.

Now in the last few years of her life she's stuck in her house, can't goto church, and can't see her family. Shes really struggling with this now. There is no zoom or FaceTime meeting with seniors either.

You guys like to say "think of the old people" talking about likely terminally ill seniors dying at the end of their life, and seem to disregard the enormous group of them like my grandma. How many seniors are going to die from isolation and loneliness, or at least turn the corner to the steep decline in livability? I bet its more than covid.

[JDMDreams]

All the old people must live in Fraser Health

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/b-c-now-has-more-than-double-ontario-s-active-cases-per-capita-1.5208409

[SkinnyPupp]

A lot of talk about "think of the seniors" a page ago.

Just got off the phone with my 86 year old grandma who is nearly in tears and doesn't know what to do. Her normal life is going to church every morning, going for coffee after with her small group of friends, and coming over to our house (or us going there) to see my 3 year old, her great grand son and the most important thing in her life who lights up her day.

Now in the last few years of her life she's stuck in her house, can't goto church, and can't see her family. Shes really struggling with this now. There is no zoom or FaceTime meeting with seniors either.

You guys like to say "think of the old people" talking about likely terminally ill seniors dying at the end of their life, and seem to disregard the enormous group of them like my grandma. How many seniors are going to die from isolation and loneliness, or at least turn the corner to the steep decline in livability? I bet its more than covid.
Are you saying we shouldn't be social distancing right now?

I don't get your argument here... I don't even want to consider what comes to mind with what we were talking about a page ago...

[StylinRed]

There was a party on davie St where several people overdosed on coke and mdma, yet there wasn't a mention of violating social distancing or fines..

https://www.citynews1130.com/2020/11/28/vpd-multi-overdose-vancouver-party/

[underscore]

I drove past this today, I guessed what it was but you really couldn't tell as the signs I saw made zero sense. Imagine having so little going on in your life that you spend your weekend publicly advertising how low your IQ is.

https://www.castanet.net/news/Kelowna/317736/Hundreds-protested-B-C-s-COVID-19-restrictions-in-Kelowna-Saturday#317736

[welfare]

Are you saying we shouldn't be social distancing right now?

I don't get your argument here... I don't even want to consider what comes to mind with what we were talking about a page ago...

You mean this?
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/facing-another-retirement-home-lockdown-90-year-old-chooses-medically-assisted-death-1.5197140

[SkinnyPupp]

You mean this?
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/facing-another-retirement-home-lockdown-90-year-old-chooses-medically-assisted-death-1.5197140
Yeah I didn't want to say he was suggesting his grandma commit suicide... But what's the other argument being made?

Normal, responsible people are doing everything they can to mitigate the pandemic, and keep people like our grandparents safe, until hopefully a vaccine can make things more normal again. It is going to really really suck until then, and unfortunately there are groups trying to make it as difficult and dangerous as possible.

[RRxtar]

My point was that it seemed like a lot of people want to lock everyone down because we need to think about terminally ill people in end of life care homes. Meanwhile there are significantly more active seniors, your grandmas and grandpa's, who are now locked up unable to live their last year's enjoyably. It is not a secret that isolation is a huge factor in seniors dying, it's why so many die soon after their spouses pass away.

I am not saying we should not social distance and I'm not saying my grandma should kill herself. I am saying it is absurd that seniors like her are desperate to see their families and i cant go to my grandmas house to visit, but we could go walk around Costco doing our Christmas shopping together with 5000 other people.

[welfare]

Nancy Russell (woman in the article) was willing to die just to be able to see her family again.

My 94 y/o grandmother lost her husband of 75 years 2 years ago. And then her sister who lived next door to her for her whole adult life last year. She's been in a care home in Lethbridge, alberta the past five years. Obviously there's no visitors allowed currently.
My wife (she's the smart one), picked her up a tablet and set up a Facebook account for her, got the facetime app all setup for her then we had it delivered there, ready for use at command.
Visiting would be ideal of course, but this helps a lot.

Anyone reading this in a similar situation, consider it. It can make all the difference.

[SkinnyPupp]

My point was that it seemed like a lot of people want to lock everyone down because we need to think about terminally ill people in end of life care homes. Meanwhile there are significantly more active seniors, your grandmas and grandpa's, who are now locked up unable to live their last year's enjoyably. It is not a secret that isolation is a huge factor in seniors dying, it's why so many die soon after their spouses pass away.

I am not saying we should not social distance and I'm not saying my grandma should kill herself. I am saying it is absurd that seniors like her are desperate to see their families and i cant go to my grandmas house to visit, but we could go walk around Costco doing our Christmas shopping together with 5000 other people.
Not to be a "devil's advocate" or anything, but what do you think would be a better option? Close down literally all stores, including grocery stores and pharmacies? Or allow more inter-household visits and open care home visits to more family members?

BTW you said you can't do zoom or facetime with her, why is that? I know it's not the same, but it's better than no contact at all. It's all I had when my mom was in the hospital after a stroke 2 years ago, since I couldn't travel at that time. That was the last time I saw her

[GLOW]

... did you guys watch the video?

It clearly states that Mike Farnsworth decided to institute fines for people the day after this happened.

i did watch but didn't catch that part, i must of been too triggered to notice

[StylinRed]

We had fines available for several months now, so I don't understand that part...

[SkinnyPupp]

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1332889290460844032

They expect to be able to vaccinate 50 million people around the world before the end of 2020 and 1.3 billion by the end of 2021

[RRxtar]

Not to be a "devil's advocate" or anything, but what do you think would be a better option? Close down literally all stores, including grocery stores and pharmacies? Or allow more inter-household visits and open care home visits to more family members?

BTW you said you can't do zoom or facetime with her, why is that? I know it's not the same, but it's better than no contact at all. It's all I had when my mom was in the hospital after a stroke 2 years ago, since I couldn't travel at that time. That was the last time I saw her

I would allow immediate family visits in home if less than 4 or 5 people and recommend masks. I can't believe that kind of visit is the place where large exposure events will take place.

My grandma, like many seniors, is not technologically inclined. No tablet or Wi-Fi or PC and barely can use her cellphone

[welfare]

Some valid points in this letter. Particularly the paragraph at the end regarding restaurants being a source due to contact tracing.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/En9S3PfXIAQhxT6?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/En9S3PgXcAE4VGl?format=jpg&name=large

[Manic!]

Some valid points in this letter. Particularly the paragraph at the end regarding restaurants being a source due to contact tracing.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/En9S3PfXIAQhxT6?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/En9S3PgXcAE4VGl?format=jpg&name=large

A dine-in restaurant is not an essential service.

[Jmac]

A walk-in grocery store also is not an essential service. Could easily do pick-up/delivery like a restaurant.

[320icar]

I think a point to not overlook is exposure time. I spent 8 seconds walking past someone in a grocery store isle? Versus an hour (450x longer than the isle encounter) sitting in an indoor space without masks eating with other people doing the same thing.

Just saying it’s not exactly apples to apples. But he brings up great points. But I don’t think anyone is blaming restaurants? Hasn’t it been proven they’re safer than most?

[Manic!]

A walk-in grocery store also is not an essential service. Could easily do pick-up/delivery like a restaurant.

Many grocery stores are not set up for curbside pick up or delivery and don't have the staff to set it up.

[westopher]

Restaurants managed to do it. Hire more staff or drop your margins to sort it out. That’s what we had to do.

[dachinesedude]

but realistically, imagine grocery stores being asked to do curbside pick up only, chaos would ensue

[westopher]

It's also totally not necessary. Just making the point, that you don't just get to say, oh we cant do it. The restrictions that have been put in place really don't change just because you cant do it. You adapt, or you die.

[StylinRed]

Delivery/pickup only from the major retailers would only be doable if they bought/rented several more trucks per delivery area, that's quite the endeavour, can't see them doing that

And then there's all the mom n pop grocers who would either be forced to do the same or be exempt, and that'll lead to more issues

I can't imagine any of our leaders being able to conceive or execute something like that

[68style]

I know there’s some random like Vietnamese grocery stores in East Van along Kingsway and a smattering of produce stores on Fraser St...... but are there really any more than a handful of highly ethno-centric “mom and pop” grocery stores nowadays????

[SkinnyPupp]

First France and Germany, now England going on full lockdown for a month

https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1322572709327458306
Update on the results of this lockdown:

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1333260725297573890

They went from 33K on the worst day day down to 12K yesterday

Also, third wave is hitting Korea, and they are up to 500 cases a day

Japan at 2500 a day

[ImportPsycho]

A walk-in grocery store also is not an essential service. Could easily do pick-up/delivery like a restaurant.

during first lock down, grocery pick up wait list was 1 week +
and even if you did managed to wait that long, by the time it's your turn to pick up, they would tell you all the items you wanted is out of stock.
grocery pick up is really shit show, because you can't reserve milk, bread, like you reserve TV at Best buy for pick up.

[welfare]

I think a point to not overlook is exposure time. I spent 8 seconds walking past someone in a grocery store isle? Versus an hour (450x longer than the isle encounter) sitting in an indoor space without masks eating with other people doing the same thing.

Just saying it’s not exactly apples to apples. But he brings up great points. But I don’t think anyone is blaming restaurants? Hasn’t it been proven they’re safer than most?

Yeah I guess it's all relative.
Just seems kind of unfair that restaurants need to adhere to such strict protocol laid out by health officials while most other businesses, where the virus is easily transmissible, are allowed to operate solely on protocol (or lack thereof) set by management.

[Qmx323]

Like previously mentioned though, you might walk by someone for 3 seconds at a grocery store.

Even less time if you can see them hacking a lung up and stay the F away from them.

Restaurants - You are laughing, talking, mask-less, and often loosened up with some alcohol.

Droplets don't just say "Oh y'all just havin' happy hour? I'll leave you guys alone then"

Also why is it suddenly that 6 feet social distance doesn't apply here?

If you're dining out with 5 friends and all of you have your own bubble, how safe is that?

There is definitely a balance of economic health and personal health that needs to be upkept, and this whole "unprecedented" event (Honestly whats unprecedented is how much the word "unprecedented" is used) is our feeling out process of how to balance things.

Remember SARS? Swine Flu? I don't remember seeing too too much of our daily life impacted during those situations.

[Hondaracer]

You go to Costco though, there's 500 people inside a closed environment

you to go a restaurant, you might be within 20 feet of 6-10 people.

Obviously unmasked and eating etc. but if you're distanced which is a lower risk?

[320icar]

If you're dining out with 5 friends and all of you have your own bubble, how safe is that?

That’s NOT how the bubble is suppose to work. If you’re out having dinner with 5 friends, then you and your friends have already completely filled your bubble right there, and no one at that table should be socializing with anyone else.

Not putting you on blast, but it’s a perfect example of why it doesn’t matter how many soft rules the gov puts in place, people are willfully ignorant on them and how they work.

[Hondaracer]

I’m seeing and hearing things from acquaintances like “The govt. said this was only going to be 2 weeks!”

:suspicious:

[68style]

Canadian tire was limiting entrants this weekend

Somehow Costco is allowed to be a total free for all shit show every day

[JDMDreams]

^^ no Costco isn't. I think they are tightened up. I was there yesterday and they were limiting people in in groups. There was also suspiciously the shortest line up to pay I've ever seen. I literally walked right up to the cashier. Costco isn't stupid like other big box stores.

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5819848

I guess this paints a better picture, still doing horrible though. Worse in Alberta

[68style]

Ok good cuz I went 2 weeks ago and it was like salmon swimming upstream to spawn

[320icar]

Costco has been limiting to 300 members in the store at a time since ~March. That being said it’s up to normal people to try and limit it. Sometimes they let in big dumps instead of 20 at a time. Everyone goes to the same area (produce, meat, bakery etc) so it feels packed, but the automotive isle and battery isles are dead.

Then there’s the idiot managers who will sometimes just let more people in. If you ever feel it’s too packed and cannot social distance, just call local bylaw to come check it out

[Hehe]

Update on the results of this lockdown:

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1333260725297573890

They went from 33K on the worst day day down to 12K yesterday

Also, third wave is hitting Korea, and they are up to 500 cases a day

Japan at 2500 a day

If you have full lockdown, OF COURSE the rate would drop, but the cost is millions or billions worth of economic activities.

The difficult task is how to RESUME an economy without Covid coming back.

How long can an economy sustain without long term damages and suffering (business all winding down... no jobs)?

Lockdown is just the easy way out... as a way of saying "Look, we are fucking doing something". Without other long term plans in place, Covid has shown throughout the world that they'd come back with fury like the case in BC.

It's like giving morphine to a patient in pain... the morphine gives an instant ease on the pain (infection rate)... but if the patient isn't treated, he/she's done.

[Hondaracer]

The numbers folllowing easing of the lockdown will be interesting

Frankly a 30% reduction in cases due to a complete month long lockdown doesn’t seem to have equitable value.

[whitev70r]

Taiwan. This was back on Oct 29th, today it is like 232 days without a single case of Coronavirus transmission. Damn ... they don't just do salt and pepper chicken, BBT, and beef noodles right!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IJRsmc-veU

[pastarocket]

A good read about the early stages of Covid in China.

-as we all know, vast under reporting of cases.

-very weak, and underfunded centre for disease control in China.

Did you know? Influenza epidemic in China during the last winter.

-internal documents from the Chinese government that were leaked to CNN:

The Wuhan Files

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/30/asia/wuhan-china-covid-intl/index.html

Chinese officials gave the world more optimistic data than they had access to internally
China's system took on average 23 days to diagnose confirmed patients, and testing failures meant most received negative results until January 10
A history of underfunding, understaffing, poor morale and bureaucratic models of governance hampered China's early warning system, internal audits found

A large and previously undisclosed outbreak of influenza happened in early December in Hubei province.

[Gumby]

That’s NOT how the bubble is suppose to work. If you’re out having dinner with 5 friends, then you and your friends have already completely filled your bubble right there, and no one at that table should be socializing with anyone else.

Not putting you on blast, but it’s a perfect example of why it doesn’t matter how many soft rules the gov puts in place, people are willfully ignorant on them and how they work.
I think he was saying each of the 5 friends have their own bubble, so having the 5 of them eat sit & together isn’t very safe.

[pastarocket]

2091 new cases for the past 3 days as per Dr. Bonnie. 277 historic cases from Fraser Health region.

total: 2368 new cases. :facepalm:

277 cases were not reported by people before. These 277 cases happened between November 18th to 26th

46 deaths

[Hondaracer]

80% of the deaths once again happening in long term care facilities and over 1300 cases related to long term care facilities.

There is seemingly no will to address this. If you can’t do on site testing then clearly it’s not a priority to stop these exposures and deaths in these places.

Edit* 750, 700, and then 500 however points towards a potential plateau in cases as we were closer to 900 last week

[Euro7r]

With spikes now upward trending, I only go out at night time when it's less people out. E.g. Groceries/errands.

[Alpine]

80% of the deaths once again happening in long term care facilities and over 1300 cases related to long term care facilities.

There is seemingly no will to address this. If you can’t do on site testing then clearly it’s not a priority to stop these exposures and deaths in these places.


This is what strikes me the most. They keep preaching about keeping our bubbles small, shutting down "high risk" small businesses, how everyone should be doing our part, etc. Yet we know where the majority of deaths are there's no urgency and no plan to prevent these deaths from happening. We are seeing an outbreak after outbreak at our long term care facilities and nothing is being done about it. WHY? What details are they keeping from us?

[StylinRed]

46 deaths for the weekend and 2087 new cases

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/covid-19-update-nov-30-1.5820095

[320icar]

I think he was saying each of the 5 friends have their own bubble, so having the 5 of them eat sit & together isn’t very safe.

Yes I think you’re correct after re-reading. But I do stand by what I said, I have heard many people say that about the bubble. Even my own friends =_= which I don’t see anymore now

[Spoon]

https://i.cbc.ca/1.5821522.1606697911!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpeg_gen/derivatives/original_620/free-grace-baptist-church.jpeg

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5821450

Keep it up guys. :fullofwin:

[westopher]

Lol. “God will protect us”
Gets covid at church.

[MG1]

https://i.cbc.ca/1.5821522.1606697911!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpeg_gen/derivatives/original_620/free-grace-baptist-church.jpeg

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5821450

Keep it up guys. :fullofwin:

If you are a true believer in god, you don't need a church. It is not essential. You most likely need the church so you can show off your latest jacket, pants, car, jewelry, what have you, to your friends. Rub it into your friends' face that your daughter got accepted into law school and your son is now a surgeon. Also, if god was so almighty, why is he doing nothing? Oh, I know, god is testing everyone. And, if you die from Covid, you are going to a better place (as you gasp for air and all your organs are failing)........... the pain. It's all part of the plan. god bless..........

BTW, not all christians are shallow minded lemmings. Some genuinely believe and do make a difference. They respect everyone else for their beliefs. I've met many a holy persons from all kinds of religions in my travels and they all have the same things in common. Always in search of truth, peace, and harmony. Never judging others. Sadly, not enough of these religious leaders around. People tend to flock to those damn, holier than thou evangelists with the silver tongue..............

[Hondaracer]

You believe there’s a guy sitting on a giant throne in the sky but you can’t believe Bonnie Henry when she says could you please wear a mask

[SkinnyPupp]

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1333530775367671813

With hindsight, I think we can say that even if China had handled it perfectly, we'd be exactly where we are now anyway.

[MG1]

Surprise!

[68style]

I mean I genuinely hope God is bigger than Covid. The virus is only 60-140 nanometers in diameter, I’d be hella disappointed if the almighty was revealed to be under that.

[Sw0op]

Canadian tire was limiting entrants this weekend

Somehow Costco is allowed to be a total free for all shit show every day

Canadian Tire was? i went to 3 Can Tires on Fri/Saturday to hunt down a deal and there was definitely no crowd control procedures

[underscore]

You believe there’s a guy sitting on a giant throne in the sky but you can’t believe Bonnie Henry when she says could you please wear a mask

Reminds me of this:

A big storm approaches. The weatherman urges everyone to get out of town. The priest says, "I won't worry, God will save me".

The morning of the storm, the police go through the neighborhood with a sound truck telling everyone to evacuate. The priest says "I won't worry, God will save me".

The storm drains back up and there is an inch of water standing in the street. A fire truck comes by to pick up the priest. He tells them "Don't worry, God will save me."

The water rises another foot. A National Guard truck comes by to rescue the priest. He tells them "Don't worry, God will save me."

The water rises some more. The priest is forced up to his roof. A boat comes by to rescue the priest. He tells them "Don't worry, God will save me."

The water rises higher. The priest is forced up to the very top of his roof. A helicopter comes to rescue the priest. He shouts up at them "Don't worry, God will save me."

The water rises above his house, and the priest drowns.

When he gets up to heaven he says to God "I've been your faithful servant ever since I was born! Why didn't you save me?"

God replies "First I sent you a fire truck, then the national guard, then a boat, and then a helicopter. What more do you want from me!!??"

I mean I genuinely hope God is bigger than Covid. The virus is only 60-140 nanometers in diameter, I’d be hella disappointed if the almighty was revealed to be under that.

Quality not quantity?

[68style]

Canadian Tire was? i went to 3 Can Tires on Fri/Saturday to hunt down a deal and there was definitely no crowd control procedures

3 road in Richmond was lined up to the garage bays on Saturday

[winson604]

Went to the liqour store beside Richmond Walmart last Sunday afternoon and needed to also get oatmeal so thought i'll run into the Walmart. Within 5 seconds I walked right out it was a fucking shit show I haven't seen this many people in one place since 2019 I don't care if Richmond has high mask wearing or not.

[MG1]

But the big question is, was the oatmeal on sale?

N. V. M. wants to know.

[SkinnyPupp]

UK to start Pfizer vaccines next week (https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/02/uk/pfizer-coronavirus-vaccine-uk-intl-hnk/index.html)

[winson604]

But the big question is, was the oatmeal on sale?

N. V. M. wants to know.

:lol

[twitchyzero]

how's russia doing with their vaccine?

[MG1]

Damn, Covid at the Safeway where I do my shopping (Kensington Square). Also, Joti's No Frills. My kids and I shop there every weekend.

Safeway, not so safe, these days. Actually, nowhere is safe these days.

[Alpine]

Damn, Covid at the Safeway where I do my shopping (Kensington Square). Also, Joti's No Frills. My kids and I shop there every weekend.

Safeway, not so safe, these days. Actually, nowhere is safe these days.

I would actually see that as being quite safe. Think about the number of interactions that these stores see on a daily basis and how many tens of thousands of people have passed through those doors. The # of positive cases is really quite minuscule given the situation.

[westopher]

Also, exposure =\= transmission.
Exposures can happen anywhere. Someone walking into Safeway with covid doesn’t really mean that the risk is there. Once multiple transmissions happen in an environment is the only time you can really determine if it’s safe or not, like the spin classes that have had multiple transmissions, or churches etc. Those are being shown to be unsafe environments.

[pastarocket]

Dr. Bonnie's daily briefing for today:

834 new cases
12 deaths

[JDMDreams]

So it works out to be around 100 ppl dying a week. Sounds pretty serious to me.

[StylinRed]

Shouldn't vaccine distribution be given to those with the highest risk of dying over front line workers instead? Distribute them to seniors first then docs/nurses

[JDMDreams]

Everyone is gonna die if we don't have healthy health care workers or they all decide to rage quit

[RRxtar]

Can someone school me on vaccines? Are there different kinds of vaccines other than the ones that protect you by teaching your body how to fight the virus before you catch it? If that is the case, shouldn't the priority be to vaccinate people at the highest risk of severe health complications? And demographics at very low chance of getting sick really done need vaccination? You can still carry and pass on the virus even with being vaccinated, correct?

[Ch28]

Shouldn't vaccine distribution be given to those with the highest risk of dying over front line workers instead? Distribute them to seniors first then docs/nurses

If you don't vaccinate the actual medical professionals first then we're fucked if they all start getting sick and dying off.

This is a prime example of where you need to direct your resources for the greater good of the public.

[Jmac]

Can someone school me on vaccines? Are there different kinds of vaccines other than the ones that protect you by teaching your body how to fight the virus before you catch it? If that is the case, shouldn't the priority be to vaccinate people at the highest risk of severe health complications? And demographics at very low chance of getting sick really done need vaccination? You can still carry and pass on the virus even with being vaccinated, correct?
Most vaccines prevent the spread as well but it doesn't sound like the COVID vaccines will.

[320icar]

If you don't vaccinate the actual medical professionals first then we're fucked if they all start getting sick and dying off.

This is a prime example of where you need to direct your resources for the greater good of the public.

I want to thank this post but I’m pretty sure hondaracer would [rightfully so] call me out for being a hypocrite

[StylinRed]

If you don't vaccinate the actual medical professionals first then we're fucked if they all start getting sick and dying off.

This is a prime example of where you need to direct your resources for the greater good of the public.

Yes but our medical staff haven't been dying from this while we've been losing a dozen seniors/high risk individuals a day in BC alone

I'm not saying don't vaccinate our medical staff, just prioritize those who are dying first

[Xu.Vi]

Yes but our medical staff haven't been dying from this while we've been losing a dozen seniors/high risk individuals a day in BC alone

I'm not saying don't vaccinate our medical staff, just prioritize those who are dying first

Assuming that medical staff has been the ones carrying covid-19 to the seniors...then yes, it would make sense to vaccinate the potential carriers, especially if they work in a number of care homes. I'm nearly certain the next in line are seniors.

Forgot to mention that by vaccinating the staff, it will also address (at least some) concerns for the seniors that may refuse to get vaccinated.

[Hondaracer]

Can someone school me on vaccines? Are there different kinds of vaccines other than the ones that protect you by teaching your body how to fight the virus before you catch it? If that is the case, shouldn't the priority be to vaccinate people at the highest risk of severe health complications? And demographics at very low chance of getting sick really done need vaccination? You can still carry and pass on the virus even with being vaccinated, correct?

What all the vaccines seem to do best is eliminate the chance of serious effects

What they don’t release and will be interesting to see if the vaccine actually prevents deaths. They may not be mutually exclusive when it comes to the efficacy.

In turds Canada prisoners get the first vaccines :whistle:

[westopher]

I can’t remember which vaccine it was, but they were claiming that it prevented severe cases in 100% of the cases in their trials. I’m sure there are caveats to that once the real world experience with immunocompromised people and the elderly, but if the people that aren’t getting immunity are still getting protection from severe cases, that’s fucking massive.

[SkinnyPupp]

Pretty sure you give it to people in this order:

1) Whoever participated in the trials and was on placebo (reward them basically, and you're already accessing them)

2) Health care workers, all medical staff, care home workers

3) Seniors in care homes/populated areas

4) High risk people in areas where there have been breakouts - urban centres, etc

And go from there

Countries like Canada and Australia will probably have the easiest time, their populations are so concentrated. America is going to have a hell of a time, especially with the existing anti vaccine movement. UK has this too

I am wondering if Hong Kong will be buying one of the 3 vaccines like Pfizer, or if they're waiting on a Chinese developed one

[Jmac]

Yes but our medical staff haven't been dying from this while we've been losing a dozen seniors/high risk individuals a day in BC alone

I'm not saying don't vaccinate our medical staff, just prioritize those who are dying first
Health care workers get prioritized because losing staff in significant numbers cripples the health care system and puts patients, who are generally much more vulnerable than the general population, at significantly higher risk.

[dark0821]

Pretty sure you give it to people in this order:

1) Whoever participated in the trials and was on placebo (reward them basically, and you're already accessing them)

2) Health care workers, all medical staff, care home workers

3) Seniors in care homes/populated areas

4) High risk people in areas where there have been breakouts - urban centres, etc

And go from there

Countries like Canada and Australia will probably have the easiest time, their populations are so concentrated. America is going to have a hell of a time, especially with the existing anti vaccine movement. UK has this too

I am wondering if Hong Kong will be buying one of the 3 vaccines like Pfizer, or if they're waiting on a Chinese developed one

I thought China already has a vaccine, not sure how much of it is true though... but I been told by multiple people that maybe its worth it to fly back and get vaccinated. And I keep telling them, I'm already Canadian, so I will get stopped at the border when I get off the plane... and will be on the next flight back to Vancouver lol...

[SkinnyPupp]

I thought China already has a vaccine, not sure how much of it is true though... but I been told by multiple people that maybe its worth it to fly back and get vaccinated. And I keep telling them, I'm already Canadian, so I will get stopped at the border when I get off the plane... and will be on the next flight back to Vancouver lol...
If they do, they're not sending any to HK LUL I haven't heard that they do. I assume most are similar and will come out around the same time, it's probably a matter of who is testing more

[underscore]

Countries like Canada and Australia will probably have the easiest time, their populations are so concentrated.

It's easy for a lot of the population, but actually making it available to everyone is going to be a lot of work. People are scattered all over most of Canada in small communities.

[SkinnyPupp]

It's easy for a lot of the population, but actually making it available to everyone is going to be a lot of work. People are scattered all over most of Canada in small communities.
Yeah but I think it's relatively a lower risk out there, so maybe it's not as urgent? Could be wrong

The other issue with these vaccines is that they must be kept at -70C and once thawed are only good for up to 5 days. This will make it even harder to get to people in remote areas

[RRxtar]

Do people who have had covid need vaccination?
Can we wait to see if we had undiagnosed covid thru antibody testing before we need vaccination?

[SkinnyPupp]

Here's the priority list UK is using for phase 1 which begins next week

The priority list for “phase one” of the Covid-19 vaccination programme is:

1. Residents in a care home for older adults and their carers

2. All those 80 years of age and over and frontline health and social care workers

3. All those 75 years of age and over

4. All those 70 years of age and over and people deemed to be clinically extremely vulnerable

5. All those 65 years of age and over

6. All individuals aged 16 years to 64 years with underlying health conditions which put them at higher risk of serious disease and mortality

7. All those 60 years of age and over

8. All those 55 years of age and over

9. All those 50 years of age and over.

And yes, they say you should get the vaccine whether or not you had the virus. Since they don't know how long the antibodies last once you recover. There has been evidence that you don't stay immune forever.

[StylinRed]

Health care workers get prioritized because losing staff in significant numbers cripples the health care system and puts patients, who are generally much more vulnerable than the general population, at significantly higher risk.

Yes generally speaking, but with covid having not been affecting our healthcare workers...

Glad to see the UK prioritizing those in urgent need first

[StylinRed]

T&T in Coquitlam is closed until the 5th now for deep cleaning as more employees are covid positive

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/tt-supermarket-coquitlam-closed-covid-19


And 3 superstores

Real Canadian Superstore, 3185 Grandview Highway, Vancouver: The last day the three team members worked were on November 19, November 20 and November 23, respectively.

Real Canadian Superstore, 1301 Lougheed Highway, Coquitlam: The last day the team member worked was on November 24.

Real Canadian Superstore, 7550 King George Blvd., Surrey: The last day the team member worked was on November 28.

[MG1]

I thought China already has a vaccine, not sure how much of it is true though...

They probably had a vaccine months ago. I wouldn't put it past them (CCP). Watch the US and the rest of the world die slowly........... send their citizens across the globe to spread it.

Stuff you see in Hollywood.

[quasi]

T&T in Coquitlam is closed until the 5th now for deep cleaning as more employees are covid positive

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/tt-supermarket-coquitlam-closed-covid-19


And 3 superstores

There are 100's of these every day, schools, grocery stores, restaurants we don't hear about 99% of them. Not the shut downs but the reported cases.

[welfare]

And yes, they say you should get the vaccine whether or not you had the virus. Since they don't know how long the antibodies last once you recover. There has been evidence that you don't stay immune forever.

So how long is the vaccine going to last?

[Jmac]

Yes generally speaking, but with covid having not been affecting our healthcare workers...

Glad to see the UK prioritizing those in urgent need first
All it takes is one person to get it and everyone they were in close contact with (aka co-workers) has to go into 10-day quarantine even if not showing symptoms.

[westopher]

Yes generally speaking, but with covid having not been affecting our healthcare workers...

Glad to see the UK prioritizing those in urgent need first

44 staff at Burnaby general have covid. That could be devastating for their ability to care for sick people as that’s a big chunk of their roster out. It’s just like the put on your own oxygen mask before your kids method, as if the care taker is fucked, then they’re both fucked.

[Ch28]

B.C. has no plans to mandate COVID-19 vaccine, top doctor says (https://www.citynews1130.com/2020/12/03/bc-covid-19-vaccines/)

VANCOUVER (NEWS 1130) – As talk of a COVID-19 vaccine intensifies around the world, B.C.’s top doctor is making it clear she does “not expect” immunization will be mandatory in the province.

“We have no mandatory immunizations in this country and in this province, and we do not expect that COVID immunization will be mandatory either. Having said that, there are some key positions where we know the risk of transmission … can be very high,” Dr. Bonnie Henry on Wednesday.

[JDMDreams]

You mean like how she waited till a year into the pandemic til she finally admitted to mandatory face mask? Typical Canadian do nothing it'll fix itself attitude.

[RRxtar]

So the question I have are... We don't know if you maintain antibodies after you have covid. How do we know thr vaccine works long term?
6months to create a vaccine is unheard of. People are worried about possible long term side effects of covid, but not the vaccine? Its ppossible the vaccines are being rushed thru testing and certification without enough long term testing with so much money on the line? Prove its safe =/= see if it's safe. That is bad science.
The vaccines are all said to be around the 95% effective mark (after very short term testing). Normal people are 99% likely to overcome covid without symptoms.

This vaccine is probably one of the biggest windfalls for a pharmaceutical company in our lifetime. Literally the entire planet needs it and it will be paid for by governments. There's a lot.of incentive to push it out. It is not outrageous for people to not want to be first in line.

[6793026]

Holy crap... the list of schools which were once infected.
can't even copy and paste as its so long.

https://globalnews.ca/news/7349387/coronavirus-list-school-exposures-in-b-c-dec-2/


Sorry but u can't mandate shit; you can't force someone to take a drug, flu shots or vaccine. I ahven't dug into it, but what were the top 5 things in which the gov't can force you do (to your body specifically)? Not talking about taxes and income tax...

Honestly, if there are side effects down the road, what the fuck would happened and it'll be gong show as once people start having vaccine, they will even be less likely to abid to social norms as they'll think they'll be invincible. No mask, no social distancing, they'll just say "I have the vaccine"... how the fuck will you prove you have taken the vaccine so police can't arrest you for breaking COVID regulations.etc.....

[Hondaracer]

The doctor who was on Joe Rogan explained the percentages for the efficacy of the Vaccine as:

The average person has a 99.6% survival rate. Given the fact that the vaccine is 94% effective, it doesn’t mean that the vaccine is less effective than natural immunity it means that the vaccine will essentially “take care of” that remaining .4 percent to a 94% efficacy (for now)