[Nlkko]

What's with Western ppl and toilet paper. Use water and soap.... No crusty bum.

[westopher]

Just poopy fingernails instead.

[H.Specter]

I have to say it's quite funny watching antivaxers/COVID deniers getting sick.

I follow this hooker fucking bodybuilder that lives in Thailand, Tony Huge -- he's a major Trumper, Covid denier, anti-vaxer. Expounding online (much like Joe Rogan), that you simply need to have a strong immune system, take zinc, vitamins, and that the vaccine is all bullshit.

The guy got hit with COVID in Thailand, and ended up losing a ton of weight and damaging his lungs permanently, serious damage, poetic justice indeed.

Speaking of anti-vaxxer, look at this joker acting handicapped and apparently people are donating to their gofundme etc

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/p7hjkv/anti_vaxxer_faking_being_handicapped/

[donk.]

Can someone unban skidz

He keeps sending me PM paragraphs, about all his anti vax juice that he drinks lol

This thread is too PG without a few anti vaxxers in here

Hondaracer/westopher, maybe you two can take off your muzzles and let us know what you really think :troll:

[westopher]

It’s less exciting in this thread since me and Honda basically met in the middle and agree on all of it now.
Vaccines for everyone!
No more lockdowns! My freedom!

[Hondaracer]

Lol

I don’t think we were ever too far apart, this medium just makes it seem that way

[68style]

When’s the group hug happening?

[Expresso]

When’s the group hug happening?

I thought you guys were sharing popsicles first.

[Gumby]

Lol donk the shit disturber... first in the real estate thread and now here.

[320icar]

When’s the group hug happening?

The 29th. See you there <3

[68style]

Is the Purple Heart a hidden message for westopher’s technoviolet M3 making an appearance????

[68style]

I thought you guys were sharing popsicles first.

We can multitask

[punkwax]

https://cdna.lystit.com/photos/nordstromrack/f85a12a1/the-narrows-Light-Blue-Bomb-Pop-Regular-Fit-Shirt.jpeg

Legit bought this shirt the other day. Perhaps I’ll rock it to the RS group hug meat

[mikemhg]

^Meat?

What you saying man?

[GLOW]

When’s the group hug happening?

https://imgur.com/EOZGDau.jpg

speaking of skidz, doesn't he have free reign in the FC thread with Chuck?

[SkinnyPupp]

Can someone unban skidz

He keeps sending me PM paragraphs, about all his anti vax juice that he drinks lol

This thread is too PG without a few anti vaxxers in here

Hondaracer/westopher, maybe you two can take off your muzzles and let us know what you really think :troll:
He actually asked me to delete his account, calling me a "pussy fag" for banning him from this thread because I am "too scared" to have him countering "the bullshit narrative" which will cause the country to become "Chinada".

I think it's fine to have dissenting opinions (even wrong ones), because maybe people can learn from each other (like honda and westopher) but no, not that garbage.

There's a covid thread in the fight club, you guys can go at each other there just the same.

[Mr.Money]

i hate people who sound like they smoke meth than pretend like they matter.

[punkwax]

^Meat?

What you saying man?

:ifyouknow:

[320icar]

Is the Purple Heart a hidden message for westopher’s technoviolet M3 making an appearance????

Psh no westopher doesn’t actually drive any of his performance cars

[westopher]

https://frinkiac.com/meme/S04E17/234366.jpg?b64lines=CiBXSFkgTVVTVCBZT1UgVFVSTiBNWQ ogT0ZGSUNFIElOVE8gQSBIT1VTRSBPRgogTElFUz8=
Psh no westopher doesn’t actually drive any of his performance cars

[JDMDreams]

Woooooo just got mandatory vaccine email at work:accepted:

[Teriyaki]

So someone works for the federal government ?

[westopher]

I thought the “miracle vaccine” didn’t do anything anyways.

[inv4zn]

One of the guys at work is going to have a very hard time explaining why he suddenly can't go on any flights to remote jobsites, which you know, is kinda his job to do.

[mikemhg]

He actually asked me to delete his account, calling me a "pussy fag" for banning him from this thread because I am "too scared" to have him countering "the bullshit narrative" which will cause the country to become "Chinada".

I think it's fine to have dissenting opinions (even wrong ones), because maybe people can learn from each other (like honda and westopher) but no, not that garbage.

There's a covid thread in the fight club, you guys can go at each other there just the same.

"Pussy Fag" huh? Haven't heard that one used since high school :lol

[mikemhg]

My company just announced vaccination confirmation requirements in order to ever work in the office physically.

Trudeau already announced vaccination requirements to board trains and domestic flights as well.

These people avoiding the vaccine and claiming their "rights" will be laughable quite soon here.

Fight it all you want, you're going to have to get it.

[Hondaracer]

Are those Trudeau promises about transit etc. Actually going to come down the pipe though or is it just an election promise waiting to be broken

[westopher]

I don’t think it has anything to do with local transit, as the logistics would be so complex. I think specifically for planes, trains, ferries and things where you’d need to purchase tickets in advance for.
Regardless though the promise will definitely be broken.

[underscore]

One of the guys at work is going to have a very hard time explaining why he suddenly can't go on any flights to remote jobsites, which you know, is kinda his job to do.

I know a company like that, soon they'll have only 1 vaccinated guy that does work at remote sites and the rest aren't vaccinated. Even if they decide to get vaccinated the whole process takes 9 weeks. Have fun telling customers you can't come out for at least that long.

[CivicBlues]

Are those Trudeau promises about transit etc. Actually going to come down the pipe though or is it just an election promise waiting to be broken

Federally regulated transport. Airlines and VIA rail basically.

[68style]

I saw some FB posts that I’m ashamed to admit someone I went to high school with made, they are documenting wherever they are replacing regular street lights with new LED ones in Richmond and South Vancouver and promoting the idea that they’re not actually just LED lights, they’re really special government vaccine detection lights.

You really can’t make this shit up.

[BlackV62K2]

I saw some FB posts that I’m ashamed to admit someone I went to high school with made, they are documenting wherever they are replacing regular street lights with new LED ones in Richmond and South Vancouver and promoting the idea that they’re not actually just LED lights, they’re really special government vaccine detection lights.

You really can’t make this shit up.

Ffs. The internet is the best and worse thing to be invented. Gives wackos a platform to share their conspiracy theories and hate.

[68style]

Ffs. The internet is the best and worse thing to be invented. Gives wackos a platform to share their conspiracy theories and hate.

No doubt. She made her job title “Investigative Researcher” a couple years ago and does nothing but post conspiracy theories all day long. Her way of going about it is to say everyone needs to be open-minded and realize there’s more than 1 truth…… ugggghhhhh

[underscore]

We got the shitty LED lights here quite a few years ago, that means CoK knew about the "virus" well ahead of time! Clear evidence of the plandemic! Checkmate libtards.

/s

[BlackV62K2]

Generalizing here but you look at typical conspiracy theorists and they are the losers in life that got nowhere. But now they are in the know and think they know something others don't so they feel important and/or finally better than others.

[SkinnyPupp]

https://twitter.com/NoLieWithBTC/status/1428844501053882371

[westopher]

I literally just let out probably the biggest sigh of my life after reading that lol.

[SkinnyPupp]

"I don't know what's in the vaccine I'm not putting it in muh body!" BrokeBack

They'll drink bleach, eat cow dewormer, anything but use an actual tested, effective vaccine.

I don't understand. Why are people SO FUCKING STUPID. WHY?!?!?!

[donk.]

My mommy booked flights to jamaica, today their flight is delayed until sunday due to pilots protesting mandatory vaccines

Via westjet

[donk.]

I saw some FB posts that I’m ashamed to admit someone I went to high school with made, they are documenting wherever they are replacing regular street lights with new LED ones in Richmond and South Vancouver and promoting the idea that they’re not actually just LED lights, they’re really special government vaccine detection lights.

You really can’t make this shit up.

Screenshot, lets go, you can blur out the name and photo, but would be better if you didnt so i can e-judge :troll:

[punkwax]

"I don't know what's in the vaccine I'm not putting it in muh body!" BrokeBack

They'll drink bleach, eat cow dewormer, anything but use an actual tested, effective vaccine.

I don't understand. Why are people SO FUCKING STUPID. WHY?!?!?!

https://y.yarn.co/86408d8c-ebcd-4d87-8a5b-05f2a8ce00cb_text.gif

[spoon.ek9]

I literally just let out probably the biggest sigh of my life after reading that lol.

really? cuz I lol'd :lol

[hud 91gt]

My mommy booked flights to jamaica, today their flight is delayed until sunday due to pilots protesting mandatory vaccines

Via westjet

Westjetters, just a bunch of Albertans spread country wide. Lol.


Saying that, I just read a WJ union email, I don’t think your cancelled
Flight has anything to do with vaccinations. Rather complete mistreatment/layoffs of crews.

[BIC_BAWS]

Went to a UBC Masters of Management party on Sunday. Under BC COVID laws, private gatherings are allowed now, this one was held at an amenities room with outdoor and indoor pools at a Yaletown apartment.

I'm double vaxxed as are all of my friends. It was a naive assumption that UBC Masters students would have been vaccinated.
Apparently someone who is knowingly COVID positive went to the party and left a few hours before we showed up. :rukidding:
imma email the fucking dean for this clear disregard for human life and irresponsibility :badpokerface:
(no symptoms yet and its been 5 days, but if I stop responding.. email the dean)

[Traum]

Apparently someone who is knowingly COVID positive went to the party and left a few hours before we showed up. :rukidding:

Holy WTF?!

Seriously, there better be some serious consequences for this fxxker.

[MG1]

The dean will take care of things............... they always do.

Unless, the dean was the fokker who tested positive.

[CRS]

https://twitter.com/richardzussman/status/1429149588997369857

Hello vaccination passports?

[GLOW]

I saw some FB posts that I’m ashamed to admit someone I went to high school with made, they are documenting wherever they are replacing regular street lights with new LED ones in Richmond and South Vancouver and promoting the idea that they’re not actually just LED lights, they’re really special government vaccine detection lights.

You really can’t make this shit up.

https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/64147081.jpg

[SkinnyPupp]

Expect to see a lot more of this

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1429265972893032451

[JDMDreams]

Gotta pay to play I guess:badpokerface::pokerface:

[SkinnyPupp]

Die of covid to own the libs

[spoon.ek9]

from the CNN article:

On his program, Valentine had repeatedly downplayed the importance of getting a vaccine against the virus, saying last December that he believed his personal odds of dying from Covid-19 were "probably way less than one percent."

[Hondaracer]

Well he wasn’t wrong. It’s just the irony of it

[CRS]

The whole Valentine thing is the very definition of play stupid games and win stupid prizes.

[SkinnyPupp]

BioNTech vaccine (Pfizer in America and Canada) is now FDA Approved (https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-covid-19-vaccine). Not just emergency use anymore, it's a fully approved drug.

One less thing for the weirdos to argue about.

Meanwhile...

https://c.tenor.com/BzdybKbJj7gAAAAd/moving-goalpost.gif

[westopher]

Lol like that’s gonna fuckin change anything for those idiots.

[Hakkaboy]

Lol like that’s gonna fuckin change anything for those idiots.

I find that it's easy to spot who's who when they use keywords like "experimental vaccine" and "PCR tests".

But 100% agree with Skip, it's one less thing to use but I'm sure they will come up with another one now

[whitev70r]

FDA approval may separate the anti-vaxxers with the group who identify as 'hesitant'. Some in hesitant group have been waiting for something like this. True anti-vaxxers will still hold out.

[CivicBlues]

So Health Canada doesn't have the equivalent right? No one is waiting for "Full Health Canada Approval?"

[mikemhg]

The FDA is run by the gOVerNMenT.

Like that will matter :lol

[JDMDreams]

I wonder what the big announcement today will be, there were whispers of vaccine passports for non essential services:accepted:

[68style]

So Health Canada doesn't have the equivalent right? No one is waiting for "Full Health Canada Approval?"

A concerning number of Canadians seem to think the FDA and American government have more power over us and validity than even our own agencies it seems.

[The Producer]

https://twitter.com/richardzussman/status/1429149588997369857

Hello vaccination passports?

and so begins the dystopian nightmare of true government sanctioned location tracking. I couldn't be more pro vaxx, but I'm absolutely against vaccine passports for any type of domestic application. Gotta show it to travel the world? - no problem, I'll choose if I want to leave the country. Got to flash my phone at the pub, and log an electronic entry to an establishment? Fuck that. :rukidding:

hey anti-vaxx assholes - everything you claim to be against will come to pass because you won't get a shot that will literally save your life.

[westopher]

The issue I have with this is now enforcement ends up in the hands of some poor underpaid front door staff of restaurants, bars, movie theatres, etc because the government hasn’t been able to do their job of putting things in place. I’d truly like to get out of the industry I’m in based on the fact I’m going to be the one that has to go punch someone in the face because they spit on some 20 year old that wouldn’t let them in a restaurant.

[320icar]

Fuck it, I’ll give up some freedom to stick it to the trump-tards.

I’m curious how difficult this will be for people who legitimately can’t get the vaccine. I have a few friends with cancer/crohnes etc which haven’t been able to

[westopher]

I’m sure exemptions are in place. Realistically it’s those people we really should be willing to sacrifice some things to protect instead of the anti vax fucks who constantly use people like that as an example of covid not being that bad “because underlying health conditions are why people are dying”

[Hondaracer]

can almost guarantee it will be a nightmare for them.

Honestly as a restaurant etc. Why should those people making trash wages working the door try to decipher a doctors note etc.? I would just instruct my employees that if you don’t provide the exact document required by the govt. you’re not coming in period.

Also if you can’t get vaccinated due to conditions or compromised immune systems, the places checking for vaccination status probably aren’t the best places to be if you’re concerned for your health.

Really hope you can just use that BC services card app and not have to carry the physical card around :/

[stewie]

I'm all up for this solely because I have an anti vax cousin. This will entertain me.

[westopher]

can almost guarantee it will be a nightmare for them.

Honestly as a restaurant etc. Why should those people making trash wages working the door try to decipher a doctors note etc.? I would just instruct my employees that if you don’t provide the exact document required by the govt. you’re not coming in period.

Also if you can’t get vaccinated due to conditions or compromised immune systems, the places checking for vaccination status probably aren’t the best places to be if you’re concerned for your health.

Really hope you can just use that BC services card app and not have to carry the physical card around :/
I’m saying the exemptions should be directly stated in the vaccine document. If not, it’s a HUGE government fuck up.

[JDMDreams]

Yes, would you really want to be rubbing elbows with the unvaccinated, keep in mind eating at the restaurant or going to a bar isn't essential service.


I'm all up for this solely because I have an anti vax cousin. This will entertain me.

[The Producer]

can almost guarantee it will be a nightmare for them.

Honestly as a restaurant etc. Why should those people making trash wages working the door try to decipher a doctors note etc.? I would just instruct my employees that if you don’t provide the exact document required by the govt. you’re not coming in period.

Also if you can’t get vaccinated due to conditions or compromised immune systems, the places checking for vaccination status probably aren’t the best places to be if you’re concerned for your health.

Really hope you can just use that BC services card app and not have to carry the physical card around :/

it can't be a physical card anyways - you could fake that in 5 seconds. further to that point, a screenshot from the card app isn't going to work either.

to be actually effective it's going to have to be a QR or tap or whatever. which means every business is going to need to acquire some way to read that.

then you have compliance issues for the business owners as well. i have no intention of asking my customers to show proof of vaccine to enter my store.

i'm not stoked to be on either side of a passport requirement.

[Hondaracer]

I’m saying the exemptions should be directly stated in the vaccine document. If not, it’s a HUGE government fuck up.

Given there currently isn’t a spot in the services app, I wouldn’t hold my breathe in there being some sort of new exemption space/card given the snails pace they move at.

But hey, maybe they will surprise us

[JDMDreams]

I think it will be common place as there's no point of having mandatory vaccines for employees if you still make them interact with the anti Vax, from what I've read based on what employment lawyers are saying, businesses can require vaccine cuz they "have to provide a safe work place for employees and customers."

So the same logic will apply if you let unsafe customers in it will risk employees and your customer's health. An outbreak is bad for business and reputation.

Would you visit an establishment that is anti Vax welcome, mask off welcome? I don't think so, as it will alienate the normal vaxed customers.

[Traum]

My hunch is -- the provincial gov is just gonna make the checking part a low tech, manual thing that is pretty much based on the honour system. Either a customer flashes his paper vax card -- it could be the vax card that we got when we got jabbed, or it could be a e-card we can download -- there is already a PDF thing for the COVID vaccination that I can we can download from the BC Services phone app.

It isn't going to be any sort of QR code scanning or tap thing because that idea just isn't going to fly with businesses.

[The Producer]

Would you visit an establishment that is anti Vax welcome, mask off welcome? I don't think so, as it will alienate the normal vaxed customers.

I'm not sure how you would know if an establishment is anti vax welcome - it's just the reality that a percentage of customers may feel this way.

I'm not sure which establishments you have visited in the last ~2 months. I'm not aware of very many that aren't "mask off welcome". It's not a requirement in this province at this time.

so yes? I've frequented the establishments that you refer to numerous times (basically anywhere I've been since the start of this phase), and will continue to do so.

[The Producer]

My hunch is -- the provincial gov is just gonna make the checking part a low tech, manual thing that is pretty much based on the honour system. Either a customer flashes his paper vax card -- it could be the vax card that we got when we got jabbed, or it could be a e-card we can download -- there is already a PDF thing for the COVID vaccination that I can we can download from the BC Services phone app.

It isn't going to be any sort of QR code scanning or tap thing because that idea just isn't going to fly with businesses.

so it's useless

why bother then? to satisfy the old "as a taxpayer the government MUST do something about this to make me feel better" trope?

[Hondaracer]

I thought we were already suppose to be at herd immunity? If that was the case and you’re hiring trustworthy people then you shouldn’t need to force people to get a vaccine as they should have already done so on their own merit.

Private companies getting access to your health records etc is where I draw the line. My employer has no business asking for proof of my vaccination imo. Either they Beleive what I say or they enact protocols to protect people. It isn’t hyperbole to say that this is a slipery slope because how can any company be sure of your true vaccination status without getting your health care #? They can’t. And that isn’t information any employer would be asking upon hiring.

In any business there is the hierarchy of control in terms of safety procedures. If a business cannot prove that everyone is vaccinated then they have to keep controls in place to ensure a safe work place for customers and other employees. In a customer facing business like a store-front etc. It will ultimately fall back into the business to enact controls to protect others.

If they govt. enacts some hokey policy that is easily counterfeited, it kind of defeats the entire purpose of this vaccine passport. As The Producer said, this essentially has to come down to a randomly generated QR code linked to your health card that businesses scan through a govt. app to get approval.

Anything less is pointless.

[JDMDreams]

From what I've seen, your manager can't ask, but HR health and safety can. And it isn't hard to see who still has to fully wear masks at all times since there weren't vacinated and have to do tests every shift I assume and upload it onto the company health and safety app. Or why xx employee all of a sudden got removed from their existing position.

They've also stated that you can be terminated if you break the rules.

So I guess all the ppl who don't want to get vaccines better start quitting or starting their own companies.:accepted::lawl:

[inv4zn]

I thought we were already suppose to be at herd immunity? If that was the case and you’re hiring trustworthy people then you shouldn’t need to force people to get a vaccine as they should have already done so on their own merit.

Private companies getting access to your health records etc is where I draw the line. My employer has no business asking for proof of my vaccination imo. Either they Beleive what I say or they enact protocols to protect people. It isn’t hyperbole to say that this is a slipery slope because how can any company be sure of your true vaccination status without getting your health care #? They can’t. And that isn’t information any employer would be asking upon hiring.

In any business there is the hierarchy of control in terms of safety procedures. If a business cannot prove that everyone is vaccinated then they have to keep controls in place to ensure a safe work place for customers and other employees. In a customer facing business like a store-front etc. It will ultimately fall back into the business to enact controls to protect others.

If they govt. enacts some hokey policy that is easily counterfeited, it kind of defeats the entire purpose of this vaccine passport. As The Producer said, this essentially has to come down to a randomly generated QR code linked to your health card that businesses scan through a govt. app to get approval.

Anything less is pointless.

We're not at herd immunity because the actual population (not just 12+) has not met the arbitrary threshold.

And while I understand what you mean with employers asking for PHNs, how is that any different than them asking for your SIN and other personal details (ie. DOB, address, etc.). There are laws and systems in place to protect you as the individual from misuse of that information, so that your company's accountant can't open credit cards in your name without facing a world of hurt.

Them just having another number on your file doesn't suddenly open you up to a massive invasion of privacy.

Anyway, if big banks have gone ahead and mandated vaccines, you can armchair lawyer all you'd like about how it's illegal and whatnot, but I'd think that actual lawyers have deemed it very legal.

[Hondaracer]

Ironically the company I work for was involved in my wife’s identity being stolen and used to open additional unrelated accounts so I’m not entirely assured of my privacy being guaranteed lol. One of the biggest companies in Canada couldn’t guarantee her privacy.

And i can pretty much say with certainty it wasn’t her fault as she is and always has been, over the top cautious. On top of that individuals within our company can access that information via a basic search (SIN, credit history etc)

So if a basic bum new-hire can access this information, im not exactly thrilled to provide any further personal data.

[westopher]

What can someone do with your proof of vaccination that they couldn’t do with all that other info though? It’s completely irrelevant when it comes to any sort of financial or identity fraud.
You can say, you just don’t like it, but that’s really the only effect it can have.

[Hondaracer]

If all you’ve gotta do is flash that card or PDF and have your name checked off a list, sure.

But again like I said above without providing your health care number and then basically cross referencing with the govt. your status, how could they ensure what you’re providing is legitamite?

Honestly it’s probably much ado about nothing but we’ll see. I won’t be making a fuss about it if that’s what it comes to as I still need a pay cheque but I’m not going to like it

[Hondaracer]

Here’s the system:

“A secure weblink will be provided and publicized before Sept. 13, where people will be able to confidentially access their proof of vaccination. Individuals will be able to save a copy of their proof of vaccination to their phone to show it when entering or using designated businesses and events. Individuals who cannot access their proof of vaccination online will be provided with a secure alternative option,” the province said Monday.

Counterfeits have already been made? Lol

[westopher]

I totally agree with not liking it, but I take a lot less issue with employers having the access to the info about employees, than the conflicts it will create in daily life.

[Coren]

https://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2021HLTH0053-001659
How it works

As of Sept. 13, people in British Columbia will be required to be partially vaccinated with at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine to access certain businesses and events.

As of Oct. 24, people in British Columbia will be required to be fully immunized, at least seven days after receiving two doses of COVID-19 vaccine, to access the same list of businesses and events.

In the interim, in areas where community transmission is increased significantly or where there are outbreaks, the requirements to be fully vaccinated to access these events and activities may be required at the direction of the local medical health officer.

Here is the full list of settings where proof of vaccination will be required:
indoor ticketed sporting events
indoor concerts
indoor theatre/dance/symphony events
restaurants (indoor and patio dining)
night clubs
casinos
movie theatres
fitness centres/gyms (excluding youth recreational sport)
businesses offering indoor high-intensity group exercise activities
organized indoor events (eg. weddings, parties, conferences, meetings, workshops)
discretionary organized indoor group recreational classes and activities

Individual businesses or event organizers may also implement these requirements earlier as part of their ongoing safety plans. Businesses or institutions choosing to adopt their own vaccination policies beyond those set out in this order will be responsible for doing their own due diligence.

Individuals will be able to confidentially access their proof of vaccination through a secure website. A weblink will be provided and publicized widely before Sept. 13. To access proof of vaccination an individual will need:
name
date of birth
personal health number (PHN)

Individuals will be able to save a copy of their proof of vaccination to their phone to show when entering or using designated businesses and events.

A second, secure option will be provided for people who cannot access their proof of vaccination online through a call-in centre (call centre details to be made public in coming days).

Individuals will show proof of vaccination in the settings listed in the PHO order, alongside valid government ID.

Proof of vaccination will also be required for people visiting from outside of B.C. using a provincially/territorially recognized official record alongside valid government ID from the jurisdiction. For individuals visiting from outside of Canada, they will be required to show their proof of vaccination used to enter the country and their passport.

The measures will be time limited through to Jan. 31, 2022, subject to possible extension.

The measures set out above do not apply to K-12 schools (public and independent) and before-and-after school programs for students. Student-only events and activities within K-to-12 public and independent schools and before and after school programs are excluded from providing a proof of vaccine as they will be covered by specific guidelines for school and child care settings. Guidance for these settings related to students will be provided in the coming days. The measures do apply to large indoor events (theatre, concerts) attended by parents, family and/or the public.

The measures set out above will, as relevant, apply to post-secondary campuses. Student housing will be a part of the public health order identifying where proof of vaccination is required and will be in effect for Sept. 7. Further guidance for these settings related to students will be developed in the coming days in consultation with public health, including which types of student housing facilities will be included.

[pastarocket]

VANCOUVER (NEWS 1130) — Starting Sept. 13, the province has announced that vaccine passports will be required in order to access non-essential businesses.

One dose will be required to enter places like indoor concerts, sporting events, movies, and anywhere there is non-discretionary activities by mid-September.

By Oct. 24, only fully immunized people will be able to attend these settings, including indoor ticketed sporting events, indoor and patio dining in restaurants, fitness centres, casinos and indoor organized events, like conferences and weddings.

“Providing advanced notice of this measure to stop the spread, keep people safe, and increase confidence will allow those who have not yet got their vaccine to take the necessary action to do so immediately,” Health Minister Adrian Dix said.


There will be no exceptions.

“This is a temporary measure that’s getting us through a risky period where we know that people who are unvaccinated are a greater risk of both contracting and spreading this virus. If there are those rare people who have a medical reason that they can’t be immunized – these are discretionary events, so they will not be able to attend those events through this period of high risk,” B.C.’s provincial health officer Dr. Bonnie Henry said.

The vaccine certificate system will limit where unvaccinated people will be allowed to go, and follows a push from restaurants and other businesses for the government to provide consistent rules.

“A secure weblink will be provided and publicized before Sept. 13, where people will be able to confidentially access their proof of vaccination. Individuals will be able to save a copy of their proof of vaccination to their phone to show it when entering or using designated businesses and events. Individuals who cannot access their proof of vaccination online will be provided with a secure alternative option,” the province said Monday.

Hmmm, that means people don't have to show the vaccine passport card in essential places like super markets, banks, Canadian Tire, Home Depot etc. How does this passport thing really limit the spread of Covid from the Joe Blows, John Smiths, who choose to be unvaccinated while grocery shopping at Super Store? [ :suspicious:

[CivicBlues]

Stratas should check this too and deactivate access to shared amenities if not met. Sick of using the building gym half-wondering if the 20-something person panting next to me is vaxxed or not.

[The Producer]

The measures will be time limited through to Jan. 31, 2022, subject to possible extension

subject to possible extension

extension

:heckno:




Hmmm, that means people don't have to show the vaccine passport card in essential places like super markets, banks, Canadian Tire, Home Depot etc.

aaaannnnd we're back to this essential (but not really) vs non essential bullshit again. :fulloffuck:

[inv4zn]

I do wonder how/what enforcement will happen, and how they will implement exemptions (ie. legitimate ones, not the "my feelings prevent me from getting a shot").

I think everyone can agree nobody wants to see the minimum wage front of house/retail workers deal with assholes spitting their literal vitriol.

Edit: nm, wow, no admission for unvaxxed, even for legitimate reasons. That's pretty strong, although I guess it makes sense also.

[underscore]

Got to flash my phone at the pub, and log an electronic entry to an establishment? Fuck that. :rukidding:

How is that any different from pubs/bars swiping your drivers license through a reader on the way in?

[Vansterdam]

I like how the article says 75% of BC has 2 shots and 85% have their first but are still implementing this.

do you really think its going to be "temporary" ?

but ya feel bad for the workers that have to deal with all the crazy shit once this goes into effect

[The Producer]

How is that any different from pubs/bars swiping your drivers license through a reader on the way in?

that's a thing? I've never been to an establishment that does that.

was that a covid thing? or am i just that old and out of touch :alone:

[inv4zn]

that's a thing? I've never been to an establishment that does that.

was that a covid thing? or am i just that old and out of touch :alone:

They do that to prevent fake IDs, pretty common. Casinos do it too if you look young.

[BlackV62K2]

Pre-covid, clubs definitely swiped your ID. I dont recall ever going to a bar/pub that did that though

[Hondaracer]

Jas Johal has a new radio show on 980 and he has Dix on right now. He asked whether or not the govt. had considered providing support for businesses to enact and require these passports

His answer was essentially that restaurants and other businesses have people who are scared to go to them without knowing everyone is vaccinated so you should be great full for the increase in business but no, we will not support your screening lol..

[StylinRed]

16 deaths over the weekend, damn

[inv4zn]

Hospitalizations are creeping up, as are ICU cases (91% unvaccinated) - some US hospitals are crippled right now with non-covid patients dying while waiting for a bed at ERs.

[pastarocket]

VANCOUVER (NEWS 1130) — As B.C. recorded 1,711 new COVID-19 cases over the weekend, Premier John Horgan said it is unlikely the province will be moving into stage 4 of the B.C. Restart Plan come September.

“The Delta variant and an increase in cases, largely within the unvaccinated population, has led us to pause and reflect on what steps, what measures, we can take through public health and through other initiatives to protect British Columbians,” Premier John Horgan said.

The number of new infections decreased over each of the past three days, with 724 cases recorded on Saturday, 545 on Sunday, and 442 on Monday.

Interior Health recorded the most new cases, with 768. Fraser Health has 419 new cases, and Vancouver Coastal Health recorded 290 new cases.


In the past three days, 16 deaths from COVID-19 have been recorded, for a total of 1,801 in B.C. This includes 14 deaths in Interior Health.

Premier John Horgan said it is 'unlikely' B.C. will move into stage 4 of the province's restart plan. :facepalm:

I cannot say that I am surprised that BC is stuck in stage 3 now.

[Hondaracer]

Just as I’ve seen 10-12 Washington plates in the last 2 days. Great timing

[hud 91gt]

Ironically the company I work for was involved in my wife’s identity being stolen and used to open additional unrelated accounts so I’m not entirely assured of my privacy being guaranteed lol. One of the biggest companies in Canada couldn’t guarantee her privacy.

And i can pretty much say with certainty it wasn’t her fault as she is and always has been, over the top cautious. On top of that individuals within our company can access that information via a basic search (SIN, credit history etc)

So if a basic bum new-hire can access this information, im not exactly thrilled to provide any further personal data.

BMO gave away my identity. I was notified by them. 1.5 years later bank accounts were attempted to be made at RBC (they notified me). But it’s all good. The class action lawsuits went through recently and I was elgiable for $100. I denied it as that would waive my right to sue the mother $&@“ers down the road. Not that I’d ever get anywhere. Lol.

[StylinRed]

Just as I’ve seen 10-12 Washington plates in the last 2 days. Great timing

I don't even count WA plates anymore, I'm counting California plates! See about 1 a day

[mikemhg]

How the fuck will this be enforced though? What happens if someone forgets their card at home, you're fucked then?

I see people who can barely figure out a damn QR menu at a restaurant, these people are going to figure out a QR code on their phone confirming vaccination?

How long will queueing into a concert or stadium take in order to visit an event when such confirmation will be required?

While I agree this is needed to some degree, this sounds like an absolute nightmare for the people who will have to enforce this rule.

Mark my words, this will end up being another lofty wonky policy, that will not have any legs in actual practicality.

As someone else said, it'll end up being some quasi honor system that most establishments simply won't follow.

Good luck getting that 16 year old @ Cineplex to argue with an antivaxer that they can't enter the movie they bought tickets online ahead for :lol

If you think the service/hospitality industry has taken a hit in terms of employees, wait til you see if that goes into effect.

[underscore]

^ how's that different from forgetting your drivers license?

that's a thing? I've never been to an establishment that does that.

was that a covid thing? or am i just that old and out of touch :alone:

The last time I went to the kind of place that did it was probably 8 years ago so I'm definitely the one out of touch :lol. I assume they still do it but idk.

It was usually clubs, or a weird place here that was technically a pub that tried to become a club. Think a pub that had music going at nightclub levels. Unsurprisingly it closed.

[PeanutButter]

Hmm.

The first thing I thought about, what about our economy. 20% of BC residents are not vaccinated, I wonder how that will affect those who are going out and spending money, etc.


While I believe everyone should be vaccinated, I don't know how this will play out. It's a slippery slope when you start doing stuff like this.

I'll be interesting to see how this plays out.

[SkinnyPupp]

This is what we were talking about like 400 pages ago in this thread... It's basically the opening plot to every Cyberpunk dystopian story. Create two classes out of necessity, the second class (the 20%) become disenfranchised. Drama ensues

[320icar]

Can’t wait for hospitals to require the vaccine passport. When asked why they’re not jabbed and they’re positive, tell them they can’t come in. They had their chance

[pastarocket]

Dr. B mentioned that the the vaccine passport cards are a "temporary measure"

This is a temporary measure that’s getting us through a risky period where we know that people who are unvaccinated are a greater risk of both contracting and spreading this virus,” B.C.’s Provincial Health Officer Dr. Bonnie Henry said. “If there are those rare people who have a medical reason that they can’t be immunized – these are discretionary events, so they will not be able to attend those events through this period of high risk.”

I think her point is that the risky period that BC is in right now is because of the combination of unvaccinated BC residents and the Delta variant. Hence, the need for these vaccine passport cards.

The message for the anti vaxxers who still refuse to get the vaccine is this: Get two vaccine shots or risk living a harder life with many businesses preventing you from using their services.

Would anti-vaxxers risk trying to get a fake passport card by paying a techie to make a QR code or simply get the Covid vaccine shots for FREE?

I doubt that you can just make these digital vaccine passports on your own. This is not Photoshop 101. LUL

[sdubfid]

Can’t wait for hospitals to require the vaccine passport. When asked why they’re not jabbed and they’re positive, tell them they can’t come in. They had their chance

What if they are 11?

[Hondaracer]

Dr. B mentioned that the the vaccine passport cards are a "temporary measure"

This is a temporary measure that’s getting us through a risky period where we know that people who are unvaccinated are a greater risk of both contracting and spreading this virus,” B.C.’s Provincial Health Officer Dr. Bonnie Henry said. “If there are those rare people who have a medical reason that they can’t be immunized – these are discretionary events, so they will not be able to attend those events through this period of high risk.”

I think her point is that the risky period that BC is in right now is because of the combination of unvaccinated BC residents and the Delta variant. Hence, the need for these vaccine passport cards.

The message for the anti vaxxers who still refuse to get the vaccine is this: Get two vaccine shots or risk living a harder life with many businesses preventing you from using their services.

Would anti-vaxxers risk trying to get a fake passport card by paying a techie to make a QR code or simply get the Covid vaccine shots for FREE?

I doubt that you can just make these digital vaccine passports on your own. This is not Photoshop 101. LUL

Well if it’s gonna be a QR code then you’re gonna have little billy stand outside and scan some meat heads invalid code? Lol anything you have to just “show”
To get in can be easily replicated.

I’ll give it a shot when they come out, haven’t used photoshop in a while

[JDMDreams]

Face masks sure wasn't necessary were they now? Great idea Horgan:fulloffuck:

[320icar]

What if they are 11?

Let them rot in the streets then numbnuts

[Traum]

Can’t wait for hospitals to require the vaccine passport. When asked why they’re not jabbed and they’re positive, tell them they can’t come in. They had their chance
You know, a part of me doesn't really have any issues with that if these people are consciously declining to take the vaccine just because they didn't want the vaccine.

You make your bed; you sleep in it.

[westopher]

I'd honestly prefer that to the current decision.
You don't want the vaccine? Fine. You get covid? You don't get treated. Other diseases and heath issues? Of course you still get healthcare. Live your life, do what you want, everyone else does too. It's just a covid opt out option. You really believe that the disease is less dangerous than the vaccine, try your fuckin luck and take the bet.

[StylinRed]

A passport is just so the rest of us can have a return to normalcy

It's either a passport or back to stage 2/1 until "it's over"

How can it be enforced at movies/bars/events? Just like your drivers license or event tickets /shrug

Will there be fakes? Yes of course, we've seen that overseas, and even locally with those Americans giving fake vax details to cbsa

Will it be implemented and up n running soon? With BCs track record at everything? No it probably won't be

[v_tec]

What's the current interval between the 2 shots? Are they still doing 7? 8? weeks?

The two dates they set - Sep 13 and Oct 24 is only 6 weeks apart, and they require u to be vaccinated 7 days prior. So that means for the absolute last minute jabbers, you need to have your second shot taken by Oct 17th....and that's only a month apart from Sep 13th.

Would been better off if they set a Aug 30th + Oct 24th or a Sep 13 + Nov 7th date.

[PeanutButter]

Hey RS,

I just read the "How it works" of this new PHO.
https://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2021HLTH0053-001659

There's an expiry to this PHO
"The measures will be time limited through to Jan. 31, 2022, subject to possible extension."

I feel like this changes everything. I feel better that there is a time limit on this PHO. So it just means unvaxxed people just can't do a lot of stuff for the rest of the year.

I mean, it still kinda sucks for them, but it's just for a limited time.

[SkunkWorks]

So it just means unvaxxed people just can't do a lot of stuff for the rest of the year.

I mean, it still kinda sucks for them, but it's just for a limited time.

Or they can just go get vaccinated. It's not that hard.

[donk.]

Or they can just go get vaccinated. It's not that hard.

I dunno man, i dont want LED street lights tracking me in richmond.
Il stick to my cow deworming medication to keep covid away

[PeanutButter]

Or they can just go get vaccinated. It's not that hard.

Well, yeah. That would be preferred.... lol

[PeanutButter]

Does anyone know if this will apply to churches?
It wasn't listed under organized indoor events. Is church considered an event?

[Peturbo]

I'd imagine that falls under organized indoor events.
Atleast I'd hope so

[westopher]

Exemptions for religious gatherings.

[StylinRed]

Does anyone know if this will apply to churches?
It wasn't listed under organized indoor events. Is church considered an event?

Exemptions for religious gatherings.

Yeah on the news1130 article it says religious activities get an out

Unfortunately I think that accounts for a good chunk of the anti vaxxers :heckno:

[Coren]

What's the current interval between the 2 shots? Are they still doing 7? 8? weeks?

The two dates they set - Sep 13 and Oct 24 is only 6 weeks apart, and they require u to be vaccinated 7 days prior. So that means for the absolute last minute jabbers, you need to have your second shot taken by Oct 17th....and that's only a month apart from Sep 13th.

Would been better off if they set a Aug 30th + Oct 24th or a Sep 13 + Nov 7th date.

4 weeks minimum, but they prefer longer for more antibodies to build up

[68style]

How the fuck will this be enforced though? What happens if someone forgets their card at home, you're fucked then?

I see people who can barely figure out a damn QR menu at a restaurant, these people are going to figure out a QR code on their phone confirming vaccination?



Pretty sure it's just going to be a part of the BC Services Card app on your phone.

Only people who don't have phones will be getting a card.

[underscore]

Religion holding society back as usual I see.

[Mikoyan]

Would anti-vaxxers risk trying to get a fake passport card by paying a techie to make a QR code or simply get the Covid vaccine shots for FREE?

Yes.

[Mikoyan]

What's the current interval between the 2 shots? Are they still doing 7? 8? weeks?

The two dates they set - Sep 13 and Oct 24 is only 6 weeks apart, and they require u to be vaccinated 7 days prior. So that means for the absolute last minute jabbers, you need to have your second shot taken by Oct 17th....and that's only a month apart from Sep 13th.

Would been better off if they set a Aug 30th + Oct 24th or a Sep 13 + Nov 7th date.

Reduced to 28 days. https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/covid-19/vaccine/dose-2

[T4RAWR]

Can’t wait for hospitals to require the vaccine passport. When asked why they’re not jabbed and they’re positive, tell them they can’t come in. They had their chance

We should apply the same rule for people who OD on drugs, get into a wreck driving a bit spiritidly, smokers, people who attempt suicide and fail, etc etc.

They all knew the risks and consequences of their actions. Some people need to fall to learn to get back up and realize the error of their ways.

But since we're going to turn people away from medical care let's weed out all the people who knowingly do something that's a bad idea and make poor decisions.

[whitev70r]

Dr. B going hardline !!

No Medical or Religious Exemption for Vaccine Passports
https://bc.ctvnews.ca/no-medical-or-religious-exemptions-for-b-c-s-vaccine-passport-system-1.5558423

People who can't get vaccinated against COVID-19 for medical reasons won't be exempt from B.C.’s upcoming vaccine passport system, nor will those who choose not to get immunized for religious reasons.

Provincial health officer Dr. Bonnie Henry, who announced the requirement Monday afternoon, said those individuals will have to miss out on discretionary services and activities, such as dining in restaurants and attending live sporting events, until the proof-of-vaccination requirement is lifted next year.

[hud 91gt]

Until it’s lifted next year? Shit won’t be lifted until this thing is done.

[Vansterdam]

Dr. B going hardline !!

No Medical or Religious Exemption for Vaccine Passports
https://bc.ctvnews.ca/no-medical-or-religious-exemptions-for-b-c-s-vaccine-passport-system-1.5558423

People who can't get vaccinated against COVID-19 for medical reasons won't be exempt from B.C.’s upcoming vaccine passport system, nor will those who choose not to get immunized for religious reasons.

Provincial health officer Dr. Bonnie Henry, who announced the requirement Monday afternoon, said those individuals will have to miss out on discretionary services and activities, such as dining in restaurants and attending live sporting events, until the proof-of-vaccination requirement is lifted next year.


If you have medical issues you don't get to participate in society anymore.. lol

[CRS]

If you have medical issues you don't get to participate in society anymore.. lol

Honestly, I'm not sure how I feel about that one.

On one hand, if you're sick enough to not get the vaccine you're probably too sick to actually go out during a pandemic where the virus will likely kill you.

On the other, you have your world shrunk that much more and the isolation alone could cause your condition to get worse.

[CRS]

https://twitter.com/LizaYuzda/status/1430210051483045888

My secret is that I never stopped wearing masks at indoor places.

[JDMDreams]

If old people in old folks home can all get vaccines, and you can't, what reason is it ESSENTIAL for you to go to a risky dangerous public setting?:accepted:

[pastarocket]

Education Minister Jennifer Whiteside’s announcements for the upcoming school year:

Mandatory masks for students in grades 4 and up in all indoor spaces in schools.

Mandatory masks for teachers and school staff in K to Grade 12.

Vaccine is not mandatory for students.

All students return for regular in class study at school.

From news1130:


While she highlights the importance of vaccines to getting through the pandemic, Whiteside has not made any indication they will be mandatory. She is instead encouraging people 12 years and up who are eligible to get the jab.

Dr Bonnie’s announcement this morning:

B.C. has reintroduced a province-wide mask mandate for indoor spaces across the province.

Provincial Health Officer Dr. Bonnie Henry announced the reinstatement during a news conference on Tuesday. The new mandate comes into effect on Wednesday and applies to people aged 12 and older in B.C.



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[Hondaracer]

You gotta be fucking kidding me :rukidding:

[JDMDreams]

^^ numbers don't lie, at least they are smart enough after 2 years and not go full retard like Alberta

[inv4zn]

Eh, it was bound to happen.

[The Producer]

https://twitter.com/LizaYuzda/status/1430210051483045888

My secret is that I never stopped wearing masks at indoor places.

me too but regardless, this is a regression - and a massive disappointment.

the usage of masks while necessary now must never be normalized.

I feel like every time this comes back we'll be more accepting of it - like it's the lesser of 2 evils.

i wish the PHO would be more transparent with us. I think it's time to come clean that this cycle will repeat for 4-5 years.

[Hondaracer]

I don’t understand where these projections of fall cases are coming from

So cases are going to be substantially higher in the fall with BC basically being at herd immunity numbers? Higher than when no one was vaccinated..

The portion of BC who cannot be vaccinated by age is approx 13-15% (Children in BC under 14) (I’m sure the portion of people who cannot be vaccinated due to medical conditions is insignificant) so eligible fully vaccinated BC residents are touching that herd immunity number even now. Feels like PHO is scared to come out and say the truth that with variants in place there is no herd immunity.

This shit just feels like throwing darts at the wall again and see what sticks. No rhyme or reason given behind moves, no explanation regarding transmission other than unvaccinated people and “case numbers”

So glad all the people who did their part in getting vaccinated ASAP have to be dragged through all the bullshit again and again of those who haven’t been. Feels great man

[BlackV62K2]

Fully vaxxed and still wear my masks at indoor public places. I dont see the issue imo

[westopher]

I do too, but I take it off sometimes, sometimes I forget it, when I go walk my dog, etc.
It's just what it really stands for thats upsetting. We were told vaccines were the ticket out of this, and because people are too fucking stupid to get them, they aren't. Essentially this just isn't ending, maybe ever, and the lockdowns and bullshit are probably going to come back. New variants, vaccines that lose effectiveness, etc.

[pastarocket]

Who here thinks that Dr. B and Dickhead Dix are seriously considering another vaccine rollout in BC for a third vaccine shot?

A booster shot for BC residents who got two jabs?


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[MarkyMark]

I've done all I'm gonna do for this. I got my two vaccines, and I guess if I have to wear a mask indoors whatever, but if they try and mention a booster they can suck my dick because they have no idea what the fuck they are talking about.

[Hondaracer]

That’s what a caller to 980 just said. When will people finally realize things aren’t working out? When you go for your 5th booster?

For me personally the mask think will stop me from supporting some businesses I would otherwise. Just off the top of my head when I was just in Whistler we did the peak to peak gondola, did an escape room etc.

I won’t do anything “non-essential” that I’m stuck inside a stuffy room or that it takes away from the experience in wearing a mask. I wear a mask most of the day at work, I still wore them in the mall etc. But for things I patronize where it’s very uncomfortable to do so, I just won’t be doing those things any longer.

My wife just found a personal trainer to work with again after quite a search. They work out of a small private gym in east Van. If she has to wear a mask now for training maybe she’ll get a refdund on that $1000 commitment.

[inv4zn]

I've done all I'm gonna do for this. I got my two vaccines, and I guess if I have to wear a mask indoors whatever, but if they try and mention a booster they can suck my dick because they have no idea what the fuck they are talking about.

Genuine question, how can you empirically say they have no idea what they're talking about?

I'm not suggesting everyone blindly follow the gub'ment et al, but isn't it reasonable to think there would be a science-based reason if they were to come out and say you needed a third shot?

Like the Tdap shot, you get one at 4~6 years old and then another in high school. Infants are given the same vaccine at 2 month intervals after birth. Yes long-term trials and all that, but with the Covid shot because all this shit is so new if there's new evidence that suggests a third shot is beneficial, and this was not known 4 months ago, why would you rather get your dick sucked by Dix than just get another shot when you've already had 2?

[mc.]

Like the Tdap shot, you get one at 4~6 years old and then another in high school. Infants are given the same vaccine at 2 month intervals after birth. Yes long-term trials and all that, but with the Covid shot because all this shit is so new if there's new evidence that suggests a third shot is beneficial, and this was not known 4 months ago, why would you rather get your dick sucked by Dix than just get another shot when you've already had 2?

Agreed. I get that no one likes wearing masks or going for shots, but an outright refusal to to get more shots or refusing to mask up again based on new and changing information is ridiculous.

It not like the Govt is holding back a ton of information. The decisions they make at a point in time is based on the best information they have at that time. If the information changes or new information is available, of course the decision may change.

Its like you are playing the lottery and after you picked your numbers, someone tells you what half the numbers will be and you refuse to change your numbers because they didn't tell you earlier.

[twixxer]

Based on what is happening around the world with Covid are you guys really surprised? It seemed obvious this was coming. They have been talking about booster shots for a while in other countries, the US, Israel, and Europe. It is not if its when.

[MarkyMark]

Genuine question, how can you empirically say they have no idea what they're talking about?

I'm not suggesting everyone blindly follow the gub'ment et al, but isn't it reasonable to think there would be a science-based reason if they were to come out and say you needed a third shot?

Like the Tdap shot, you get one at 4~6 years old and then another in high school. Infants are given the same vaccine at 2 month intervals after birth. Yes long-term trials and all that, but with the Covid shot because all this shit is so new if there's new evidence that suggests a third shot is beneficial, and this was not known 4 months ago, why would you rather get your dick sucked by Dix than just get another shot when you've already had 2?

Because until the people who refuse to get a vaccine get them, were always going to be doing this same song and dance. We take one for the team, they don't, numbers spike, new variant, new booster, restrictions lifted, restrictions back. Once they figure out how to get those people on board will I consider a booster.

[Hondaracer]

Agreed. I get that no one likes wearing masks or going for shots, but an outright refusal to to get more shots or refusing to mask up again based on new and changing information is ridiculous.

It not like the Govt is holding back a ton of information. The decisions they make at a point in time is based on the best information they have at that time. If the information changes or new information is available, of course the decision may change.

Its like you are playing the lottery and after you picked your numbers, someone tells you what half the numbers will be and you refuse to change your numbers because they didn't tell you earlier.

Are they holding back information? Probably. Are they making decisions based on real world data from around the world? Seemingly not. Or at least they are very hesitant to provide the public with informed opinions on the future.

[mikemhg]

I'm vaccinated, if you want to wear a mask, do you, personally for me, I hate it.

I don't want masks to become part of the norm, it's been absolutely fantastic this last month or so not having to do so, especially at the gym.

This will be interesting to see how this plays out in terms of the vaccination status.

What happens when it's decided that 2 vaccines aren't enough? That a 3rd or 4th booster is required to adhere to the vaccination policy, and be allowed to patronize establishments, etc?

If that happens, I think that's when you'll see a real inflection in the public's response to this. Most feel by their 2nd dose, they've done their due diligence. If you add yearly or more regular additional vaccines to the process, I guarantee you'll see major public blowback, and not just from the "mouth breathers".

[supafamous]

Because until the people who refuse to get a vaccine get them, were always going to be doing this same song and dance. We take one for the team, they don't, numbers spike, new variant, new booster, restrictions lifted, restrictions back. Once they figure out how to get those people on board will I consider a booster.

So basically become the people you are mad at?

Guy at my work who is fully vaccinated got COVID last week - his daughter came home from daycare with it and he was knocked out for several days. Another co-worker's nanny who is also fully vaccinated got COVID as well but ducked any sickness.

Considering the risks of passing it to my parents or other people you can bet I'm lining up for a booster as soon as its available to protect myself and my family - I don't think what others choose to do should be a factor in my decision making here.

[Hondaracer]

Hesitancy with the boosters is going to be such that it won’t really matter whether you’re doing good by your family etc. The uptake is going to fall off a cliff from the general public.

[CivicBlues]

What if the next booster is designed specifically to fight off the Delta variant? Would you line up for that one?

I don't get the whole argument that we should never backtrack on things because PHO said this or said that it's like a child's way of arguing:

Child (public): But Mommy Henry you said I didn't have to wear masks anymore!
Henry: I know, but we found new evidence that you can still transmit and also the virus is worse now.
Child: Buuu...but you SAID, YOU SAID!!!
Henry: *rolls eyes*

As if nature gives a fuck what one person says or even what the collective will of humanity wants. Nature does whatever the fuck it wants, Nature is Metal.

[Hondaracer]

I think it’s moreso the annoyance of going backward. Why did we even remove them in public places at all if that was a source of transmission. When they loosened the rules the delta variant was still around

[CivicBlues]

It wasn't at this level it was now. I believe back in early July it was still less than 30% of cases now it's almost 100%. Was it a mistake to remove the mandate? I think so. However I'm happy that we learn from our mistakes and do an about face instead of digging in on bad decisions like some other jurisdictions *ahem Texas*

[MarkyMark]

So basically become the people you are mad at?


So you don't have a line that you'll draw? You'll literally do whatever the government asks of in the name of Covid, no matter what it is? The first time you say "ehh I don't know about that" we all get to say you're "becoming one of those people" ?

I'm very far from someone that's anti government or anti vaccine, but I'm definitely not going to blindly jump in line for every new idea they come up with.

[stewie]

What if the next booster is designed specifically to fight off the Delta variant? Would you line up for that one?


By the time a booster shot to deal specifically with the Delta variant comes out and enough people have lined up for it and gotten it, the next variant will already be out and we'll start from square 1 again.

[supafamous]

So you don't have a line that you'll draw? You'll literally do whatever the government asks of in the name of Covid, no matter what it is? The first time you say "ehh I don't know about that" we all get to say you're "becoming one of those people" ?

I'm very far from someone that's anti government or anti vaccine, but I'm definitely not going to blindly jump in line for every new idea they come up with.

My comment was that the choice of others to not get vaxxed won't affect my willingness to protect myself and my family - if booster shots are available and the science shows they are a good preventative measure then I'll take them. I'm not going to deny myself the protection b/c I'm angry at the anti-vaxxers.

You seemed to be suggesting that b/c someone else is making a bad medical decision that affects you that you'll also make a bad medical decision for yourself out of spite. "Those people won't stop smoking outside my door so I'm going to START smoking too! You just watch!"

[Coren]

People take the flu vaccine every year. Is that not a booster? It's not like people take 1 flu shot and next year go "oh i already got a shot last year so fuck that i'm never taking another one"

What's the difference if we need a booster for covid? Is it because it's going to be within 6 months of the 2nd shot that it is making people paranoid?

And we know that new variances are coming out which makes the vaccine less effective. Studies from Israel are showing a third shot booster is increasing the protection against the Delta variant. These are studies that weren't available 3 or 4 months ago because it is NEW information, and with that new information the professionals are changing direction from what they stated earlier. Makes sense doesn't it?

[MG1]

Child (public): But Mommy Henry you said I didn't have to wear masks anymore!
Henry: I know, but we found new evidence that you can still transmit and also the virus is worse now.
Child: Buuu...but you SAID, YOU SAID!!!
Henry: *rolls eyes*



Reminded me of this.........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cp6gQzRjWwo

[Great68]

I bet re-instating this mask mandate is going to barely put a dent into the case counts.

When the mask mandate was implemented in November it came along with very heavy restrictions on gatherings public and personal (Remember we couldn't even have guests over at our own house?) Closed restaurants, etc etc.

People seem to associate our case reduction at that time with the masks, but I think it had WAY more to do with the outright lack of social contacts over those few months.

Going back to masks is certainly not going to help anti-vaxxers come around. All it's going to do is confirm is that the government will force public policy on everyone else to support their own bad decisions.

[Vansterdam]

https://i.ibb.co/MZLW5Nr/Whats-App-Image-2021-08-23-at-10-08-19-PM.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/SXD23hN/Whats-App-Image-2021-08-24-at-1-29-32-AM.jpg

[Hondaracer]

If you think people are going to be lining up for booster shots at the same rate as the initial vaccination program, I emplore you to listen to AM 980 around 230 when Adrien Dix comes on for questions lol

[underscore]

So you don't have a line that you'll draw? You'll literally do whatever the government asks of in the name of Covid, no matter what it is? The first time you say "ehh I don't know about that" we all get to say you're "becoming one of those people" ?

I'm very far from someone that's anti government or anti vaccine, but I'm definitely not going to blindly jump in line for every new idea they come up with.

The government isn't the one creating the vaccines though. They aren't "coming up" with anything in that respect.

[inv4zn]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/interior-health-vaccine-rebook-1.6151914

Criticism where criticism is due, this is a pretty stupid blunder.

Although I guess they fessed up to it, which is better than the alternative.

[Traum]

Mistakes are bound to happen in any field of work, and all things considered, only 500+ persons are affected is a very small number compared to the overall total that has been processed through the Revelstoke vaccination clinics.

As I'd always say -- it is how you handle mistakes that is the more important part. Of course the people involved need to be more careful, but I am not even gonna criticize this blunder.

[twitchyzero]

so we waited from 40 cases until 750 to reinstate masks?

why would anyone want to be on crowded train or bus without one regardless of jab status?

can’t believe they’re are still people refuting their effectiveness and the resistance from the top doc is a real head scratcher

there are examples that work real well, why we trying to reinvent the wheel

this half open half closed business is not sustainable long term

[Alpine]

I guess it’s clear we are looking at another few years of booster shots and on/off mask restrictions at a minimum.

[donk.]

Someone in our company group chat posted
"masks go back into effect tomorrow, etc etc"

Then our #1 anti vaxxer posted
"the vaccines didnt work so we have to wear our masks again, copy that"

Nearly crying from laughing so hard

Just to top it up someone else posted
"the sales in masks must be dipping down. Too much stock"

[68style]

I'm surprised people post such personal / risky opinions on a company group chat. Whether my views were extreme or not I certainly wouldn't make them known in that arena.

[punkwax]

^ ya my anti-covid vaxx (he’s fine with others, just not mRNA) colleague is the same. Talks about it non-stop but got annoyed when I put his position in writing recently. It wasn’t broadcast company wide, just within a select few who work with him regularly.

I guess my bad but if you can’t stop voicing your opinion verbally every. Single. Fucking. Day. Then stand behind it IMO

[westopher]

Why do these fucking idiots think they know something the whole medical field doesn’t about mRNA. Some dipfuck I was talking to the other day was telling me that if pilots get the mRNA they aren’t allowed to fly because it’s too dangerous.
I asked him if he’d like me to call my pilot friend and he declined. I asked anyways and he’s like “no it’s pretty much the opposite. Tell him to shut the fuck up”
Of course the next part of the convo talks about studies that tucker Carlson has showed, etc.

[SkinnyPupp]

So with mRNA vaccines having around 88% effectiveness against Delta (rather than 99% with typical covid), to reach herd immunity we now need about 97.4% of the population to be vaccinated.

This also means the vaccines that are less than 88% effective against Delta (AZ, Sinovac, maybe J&J?) are impossible to achieve herd immunity.

This is assuming a variant worse than Delta doesn't pop up.

[supafamous]

So with mRNA vaccines having around 88% effectiveness against Delta (rather than 99% with typical covid), to reach herd immunity we now need about 97.4% of the population to be vaccinated.

This also means the vaccines that are less than 88% effective against Delta (AZ, Sinovac, maybe J&J?) are impossible to achieve herd immunity.

This is assuming a variant worse than Delta doesn't pop up.

tl;dr: we're fucked.

I assuming that we are definitely going to get additional variants that are worse than delta as there's simply too many people who are unvaxxed and/or we can't get people vaccinated quickly enough to prevent mutations.

Going to be a lot more dead people in the coming years.

[hud 91gt]

Doom and gloom lol. We are already seeing our country is walking a pretty thin line to control this. If it comes down to it, no one is going to have a choice to have a booster or not. The stubbornness of the few left are just going to make it all the more painful.

[westopher]

https://thebeaverton.com/2021/08/anti-vaxxer-demands-you-produce-a-single-study-showing-mrna-vaccines-are-safe-no-not-that-one/
TORONTO – Clayton Bach, a local man who believes that the Pfizer and Moderna COVID vaccines are incredibly dangerous has demanded you produce a single study showing they are safe, but not that one.

“They rushed the technology. There is simply no proof that these vaccines are safe in the long run. In fact show me one single study that shows the opposite and I’ll go out and get the vaccine right now. One. Single. Study.” Said Bach, followed immediately by “No not that one. That one doesn’t count. Everyone knows the ‘independent research group’ that produced that study is in the pocket of big pharma.”

“Show me another study. Do it. You can’t. No not that one either! Man you google fast.”


Bach, a loose acquaintance you met in University but who appears on your facebook feed more often than your best friend and wife put together, has taken to make outlandish claims about what he will do if a single bit of evidence can be produced that proves him wrong, only to immediately refuse once this is done.

“The vaccines alter your DNA, causing harm to your sperm and giving any kids you have horrible birth defects. And if you can show me a single bit of research that proves otherwise I’ll give you ten thousand dollars,” posted Bach last week. No one had apparently been able to do so, although that may have something to do with Bach deleting every comment on his post.

In related news, an anti-masker comparing mask mandates to Nazi Germany was surprisingly not interested in hearing from Holocaust Survivors on how the two situations are a bit different.

[68style]

Why do these fucking idiots think they know something the whole medical field doesn’t about mRNA. Some dipfuck I was talking to the other day was telling me that if pilots get the mRNA they aren’t allowed to fly because it’s too dangerous.
I asked him if he’d like me to call my pilot friend and he declined. I asked anyways and he’s like “no it’s pretty much the opposite. Tell him to shut the fuck up”
Of course the next part of the convo talks about studies that tucker Carlson has showed, etc.

It's exactly the same as arguing with someone religious about whether god exists... just an endless array of whataboutism...

I don't think these people necessarily think they know 'more' than scientists... but they think that they're all working for governments and part of a big conspiracy against society and privacy.

I think the only wakeup call for these cocky fools who grew up not being able to be touched in western society with all their rights, etc is to go somewhere where they laugh in your face when you ask to speak to a lawyer and you can get beat to shit just because a military or police official was in a bad mood and didn't like you and there's not a fucking thing you can do about it. There's tonnes of places in the world where suddenly you're an ant and if a shoe comes down on you that's just tough luck and it's game over... these people don't appreciate or seem to understand that at all. They're literally living in a country with nothing but protection and freedom but they think the opposite because they've got zero understanding of anything outside their own little bubble.

[westopher]

I had that conversation earlier. These cunts talking about being given first dibs on life saving drugs comparing it to the holocaust when they are told they can't go have their fucking chicken fingies at cactus club, while people all of the world deal with whatever it is they are dealing with (no matter what it is, because literally anything is) that is 1000000000x more serious.

[supafamous]

https://youtu.be/pd8P12BXebo

Gotta watch this NYT's video about anti-vaxxers. It's crazy.

[underscore]

Why do these fucking idiots think they know something the whole medical field doesn’t about mRNA.

https://i.imgur.com/IoIgXCh.jpg

[Hondaracer]

https://i.imgur.com/rYRQnok.jpg

[68style]

Minus the wonky eye that is how I decided in my mind that you look after all these years hahaha

[ImportPsycho]

MERICA!
https://youtu.be/SJU__cC0j4s

[BIC_BAWS]

On topic, I'll publicly out this guy LOL. Imagine thinking that it's unconstitutional to not be able to go eat at a restaurants or go to a music festival. Fucking clowns man.

Imagine thinking that mandatory vaccines have never been a thing. Wow I wonder how polio got eradicated!!! Must be magic!?

Someone called him out to write to his MLA and he makes excuses as to why not to do it.
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[StylinRed]

tl;dr: we're fucked.

Going to be a lot more dead people in the coming years.

Hmm.... All this talk pre-covid about population sizes dwindling across most of the world, and the need for an autonomous workforce, and now this... Hmmm something something govt plot, nwo, something, something 5G!

I can see why conspiracy theorists think as they do, makes everything a lot more interesting, like you're watching/living in a Sci fi film :lol

[StylinRed]

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-58309026

Can the US crack down on fake vaccination cards?
By Daniel Thomas
Business reporter, New York

Published10 hours ago


As more people in the US are asked to prove they have been vaccinated in order to work, study or socialise, a flourishing black market in fake vaccination cards has sprung up. But what can be done to tackle it?

The operator behind "Covid19vaccinecardsss" took just seconds to reply. One of a slew of Instagram accounts hawking fake proof of Covid-19 vaccination cards, whoever was running the page was eager to sell, inviting the BBC to move over to an encrypted messaging app to make a deal.

For $100 (£70), the vendor would deliver a "registered" card, with either the logo of the US Centers for Diseases Control and Prevention (CDC) or Britain's National Health Service.

Payment could be made in Apple Pay or Bitcoin and delivery would be "discrete" and within 24 hours, they promised.

"Your cards will be saved into the database system," they told the BBC. "[These are] very good original vaccine cards, no worries."

As the Delta variant of coronavirus sweeps the US, businesses, universities and cities such as New York and San Francisco have introduced vaccine mandates to boost uptake of jabs.

But vaccine hesitancy remains high and a cottage industry for bogus inoculation cards has emerged to help people get around the rules.

Fakes have been sold on platforms from eBay to Whatsapp and there have been high profile busts, with warnings that counterfeiters and buyers could face jail.

Yet users, authorities and many others are sceptical that the use of false cards can be stopped.

Jennifer is head bartender at the busy Peculiar Pub in Greenwich Village, New York, where customers must show proof of vaccination in order to enter as part of a citywide mandate affecting bars, gyms and other indoor venues.

No one's raised her suspicions yet but she thinks it will be "really hard" to spot fake vaccination documents, which in New York can take the form of a paper card from the health authorities or merely a photo of that card.

"As long as it's printed and you can just write a date, how am I going to know the person that injected you and where you got it? There are hundreds and thousands of vaccination sites in the US, people can come to your home now to give you the vaccine."

Counterfeiters appear to be doing brisk business.

Last week, customs officials in Memphis, Tennessee and Anchorage, Alaska seized 6,000 false vaccination cards in separate shipments from China destined for recipients across the US.

They were printed with the CDC logo and closely resembled the genuine cards given to US citizens when they get vaccinated. However, when officials looked closer they noticed spelling mistakes and poor printing quality.

At the same time, more people who are using false documents are getting caught.

Recently, a Miami couple was arrested for allegedly trying to enter Hawaii using fake cards in breach of the state's travel laws, which require proof of vaccination or a negative test result to avoid quarantine.

Enzo Dalmazzo, 43, and Daniela Dalmazzo, 31, who travelled with their two children, are facing $8,000 (£5,000) in fines - although the maximum penalty could have been jail.

The flourishing market has prompted warnings from the FBI that unauthorised use of a government agency's seal is a crime and violators could face fines or up to five years in prison.

Chuck Schumer, the Democratic Senate majority leader, has called for a federal crackdown and national education campaign to stop counterfeiting. Why, he also asked, were people risking prosecution to get fake vaccine cards when jabs are free and plentiful in the US?

Stacey, who works at another busy Greenwich Village bar, says friends of hers are thinking of buying fake cards because they do not want to get jabbed over fears about vaccine safety.

Resistance to jabs and vaccine mandates is fierce in some parts of the US, where only 60% of the adult population is fully vaccinated, and typically driven by online disinformation and calls to protect civil liberties.

Stacey, who is vaccinated, says her friends think vaccine mandates could stop them doing everyday things if they become more common, and so fake documentation will offer a workaround.

But she adds: "It's worrisome in terms of public health. If they are choosing to come in with a fake vaccination card they are putting themselves at risk to people who are doing the same thing."

Bogus cards are easily available on social media, messaging apps and the dark web where they can be bought for anywhere between $25 (£18) and $500, according to reports.

On Instagram accounts often promote fake cards alongside images featuring anti-vaccination slogans or disinformation about vaccine safety.

Instagram shut down accounts the BBC reported but others remain on its site. Anyone buying, selling, or trading in fake, or genuine, medical documents on its platforms will be barred, the company said.

"We'll continue to identify and remove this content whenever we find it, and will disable accounts, pages or groups that repeatedly break our rules," a spokeswoman told the BBC.

Some New York businesses are concerned they could be held liable if someone is found on their premises with a fake card.

Sean, who manages Off the Wagon, another nightspot in Greenwich Village, thinks all proof-of-vaccination cards should be digital to stop fraud.

Such passes are planned or in use in the UK and Denmark, for example, but the US has no similar scheme.

Several digital vaccine apps are available within New York City, but bars like Sean's still can't access systems to scan them, which worries him.

"I am expecting [fake vaccination cards] just like I expect fake IDs for underage drinking," he tells the BBC. "But there isn't much you can do about the paper ones.

"That's why it is important to know we won't be held liable… We're at the very early stages with all of this, it's a fickle process."


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[Vansterdam]

Hmmm something something govt plot, nwo, something, something 5G!

I can see why conspiracy theorists think as they do, makes everything a lot more interesting, like you're watching/living in a Sci fi film :lol

plot twist: passports/QR codes is how their gonna track us :troll:

[inv4zn]

That BBC article is so disheartening.

Fuck we're trying to solve climate change, inequality, conflicts and war - and the real reason society is going to crumble is because of World War Stupid. I hope textbooks in the future (if books even exist lol) will name Facebook as the principal cause of the Age of Stupidity.

[The Producer]

just opened my work email this morning to find 3 cancelled orders for events. hopefully they're only postponed but nobody is taking any chances.

back to survival mode for us and back to record profits for shitty online sales giants.

[mikemhg]

I find it so ironic that the same conservative friends decrying that it's "their body" and that they should have the freedom to choose, are the same one's that don't believe that it is up to the woman's right to "choose" whether or not she can have an abortion.

It's funny how the the pretense of your body, your choice only applies to vaccines :lol

Also, it's been hilarious watching people post photos of Auschwitz, and Star of David armbands, comparing this mandate to the Nazis :lol

Such bad faith ridiculous arguments.

[mikemhg]

Also had my cousin (a restaurant owner), who her and her family are also not vaxed, claiming they will not follow the protocols at their restaurant.

Her argument is literally the following:

"What if you went to a restaurant and asked the waiter that you'd like to confirm what drugs they're taking such as marijuana, cocaine, meth, fentanyl, or if they have any STDs such as HIVs, and Hepatitis."

I told her that's a complete false equivalency, someone’s level of drug usage is not communicable, and neither is an STD in that type of setting. Besides, if you had sex with someone while carrying an STD, and not informing that person of such, you'd be prosecuted.

Where are these people getting this crap?

[BlackV62K2]

Was out eating and over heard a conversation these guys were having where one guy was saying to the other "I was going to get my shot but now they are forcing me to do it with the vaccine passport to do stuff, fuck them, I'm not getting it anymore". Typical manlet looking douche that probably injected one too many steroids. Ffs

[Hondaracer]

I had a customer at work that brought up vaccines and he got his first shot but wasn’t going to get his second because he felt “weaker” after the first..

[SkinnyPupp]

Was out eating and over heard a conversation these guys were having where one guy was saying to the other "I was going to get my shot but now they are forcing me to do it with the vaccine passport to do stuff, fuck them, I'm not getting it anymore". Typical manlet looking douche that probably injected one too steroids. Ffs
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[Traum]

That exact argument is something that has been floating around social media. I've seen it on at least 2 different platforms. FailFish
Also had my cousin (a restaurant owner), who her and her family are also not vaxed, claiming they will not follow the protocols at their restaurant.

Her argument is literally the following:

"What if you went to a restaurant and asked the waiter that you'd like to confirm what drugs they're taking such as marijuana, cocaine, meth, fentanyl, or if they have any STDs such as HIVs, and Hepatitis."

I told her that's a complete false equivalency, someone’s level of drug usage is not communicable, and neither is an STD in that type of setting. Besides, if you had sex with someone while carrying an STD, and not informing that person of such, you'd be prosecuted.

Where are these people getting this crap?

[StylinRed]

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/covid-vaccines-show-no-signs-of-harming-fertility-or-sexual-function/


Vaccines don't fuck with fertility, but covid does

[Vansterdam]

I had a customer at work that brought up vaccines and he got his first shot but wasn’t going to get his second because he felt “weaker” after the first..

who knows maybe eventually they gonna require at least 3 or more shots for you to go anywhere, just like how they expect everyone to have both by October :concentrate:

[CRS]

https://twitter.com/j_mcelroy/status/1430664694415589378

Looks like the stick is working.

But for real, how big of asshole are you that you have to wait until there are repercussions before you get off your ass to do the right thing?

[JDMDreams]

^^ this is what happens when you give people rights and freedom:rukidding::facepalm: you have to take it away to get shit done:fuckthatshit:

[ilovebacon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_F7UvmZLxA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiwsv51Il4k

[fliptuner]

https://twitter.com/j_mcelroy/status/1430664694415589378

Looks like the stick is working.

But for real, how big of asshole are you that you have to wait until there are repercussions before you get off your ass to do the right thing?

Ignorant and narcissistic mofos.

https://i.imgur.com/s0Uz0RX.jpg

[Hondaracer]

Closed the joe Rogan video after 15 seconds. Of course he spins the passport into a “people of colour/immigrant” thing when he pretty clearly couldn’t care about those groups any other time other than to spin it against vaccines etc.

Haven’t listened since he went to Spotify. Seems like a good choice

[GLOW]

unless he has someone mma related or a credible scientist like degrasse i'm not too interested.

[westopher]

I’ve always liked Joes standup, but it’s too bad he basically is Oprah for incels now.

[SkinnyPupp]

Closed the joe Rogan video after 15 seconds. Of course he spins the passport into a “people of colour/immigrant” thing when he pretty clearly couldn’t care about those groups any other time other than to spin it against vaccines etc.

Haven’t listened since he went to Spotify. Seems like a good choice
Same. He actually had on Dr Osterholm right when covid hit, if you remember I posted that podcast early on in this very thread. It was one of the best sources for information on covid at the time.

And then he started getting weird, and then the Comedy Store closed, and then he went nuts. And somehow he became a right wing weirdo right before our eyes. Spotify just added that extra barrier to make it easy to ignore.

[quasi]

I listen to his podcast but I'm pretty choosy on which episodes. Since he's went to spotify probably 10%, i like the comedians and when he has guys like David Choe, Jake the Snake or the undertaker on because I love the stories. I have no interest in listening to any Doctor, scientist, journalist, political activist those are not the conversations I have any interest in I want to be entertained.

[mikemhg]

I was an OG listener way back in the day, stopped listening over the last few years now.

He's clearly pivoted to a different type of audience. His personal relationships with the figureheads of the "intellectual dark web" seem to have really changed his perspective, for the bad.

You see this quite often on the internet nowadays, with certain media personalities. There's a lot of money to be made catering to that "incel", "alt-right", "red pill" audience of younger white men, and you'll see that literal pivot to cater to that demographic, especially when the initial more moderate or left leaning supporters begin to fall off.

Joe Rogan is all about $$$, don't ever let his "I'm just a dumb guy looking to learn stuff", schtick fool you.

[SkinnyPupp]

If you guys haven't listened to Joe's anti vaxx rants lately, it's gotten really disturbing. He had Rhonda Patrick on the other day, who BTW he would take her word on EVERYTHING even when she talks about in vitro studies and rat studies. She's the first to talk about the correlation between vitamin D deficiency and covid deaths. The "IDW" took that to mean Vitamin D cures covid (and now they promote horse dewormer as the cure)

Anyway, he argued with her about vaccines, using his personal anecdotes against her collection of data of millions of people. Over and over again, trying to discredit vaccines. (longish clip, I could only tolerate the first 40 seconds)

https://streamable.com/2w2je4

Then you go back and listen to him talk to Mike Osterholm about vaccines:

https://streamable.com/5omiyv

It's amazing how corrupted he's become. I don't think he "got stupider", he just caters to the weirdos now, instead of being a platform of information where a dumb guy asks smart people questions.

[mikemhg]

My Youtube algorithm put up that Dr. Patrick video last night, I had to turn it off after a few minutes.

You're totally right Skinny.

He used to laud over that doctor when she'd come on and validate all his claims on vitamins and supplements (supplements that he sells through ONIT, conveniently enough).

Now since she's a proponent of vaccines, he's deciding to argue with her based on some anecdotal stories of myocarditis that he heard through his anti-vax nutcase friends.

The guy is gross, it's a pity that his followers think he's the gospel and eat off every word he spews.

[68style]

Jesus the hypocrisy between those 2 clips… how can he not be ashamed of himself in any way

[SkinnyPupp]

https://twitter.com/antissa/status/1431102234108911619

[MG1]

Comedian who's no longer funny, but finds a new way of getting much needed attention. He's loving it. What a sap. Why do people have this need to follow someone? Jesus..............

[StylinRed]

Study regarding side effects of the vaccine, and comparing it to the risks of those same side effects from covid

Several articles out about this this morning, but the herald seems to get a little more in depth

Jist of it is blod clots, strokes, etc are a side effect from both AZ and Pfizer vaccines but those same side effects are up to hundreds of times higher from covid

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19541035.edinburgh-university-study-finds-pfizer-stroke-link-data-reassuring/

[Vansterdam]

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/health-canada-authorizes-use-of-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-in-children-12-and-older-1.5563898

Health Canada authorizes use of Moderna shot in children 12 and older

Health Canada has authorized a second COVID-19 vaccine for use in older children, saying it considers Moderna's vaccine to be "safe and effective" for those between the ages of 12 and 17.

[Vansterdam]

https://i.ibb.co/ScX9Jm1/240826444-1023838898364181-3498314287978534793-n.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/s991zvY/240738511-1023838878364183-683422447092883218-n.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/6g6wzjQ/240828369-1023838821697522-7270309531220138005-n.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/J7wHP75/240823766-1023838691697535-7032898149466561311-n.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/qWdtWTk/240673324-1023838935030844-1159082112489297785-n.jpg

[Derpdidoo]

Study regarding side effects of the vaccine, and comparing it to the risks of those same side effects from covid

Several articles out about this this morning, but the herald seems to get a little more in depth

Jist of it is blod clots, strokes, etc are a side effect from both AZ and Pfizer vaccines but those same side effects are up to hundreds of times higher from covid

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19541035.edinburgh-university-study-finds-pfizer-stroke-link-data-reassuring/

The list of side effects noted are just over the past few months while data keeps being collected and will be interesting to find out the long term side effects database in comparison to covid once the pandemic ends.

[mikemhg]

BC Ferries Memes never disappoints :lol

[westopher]

The list of side effects noted are just over the past few months while data keeps being collected and will be interesting to find out the long term side effects database in comparison to covid once the pandemic ends.
What will be the most interesting part is that if there are minimal/no long term side effects in any notable percentage is how people who refused it will just make things up like they have with regular vaccines in the past.

[inv4zn]

What will be the most interesting part is that if there are minimal/no long term side effects in any notable percentage is how people who refused it will just make things up like they have with regular vaccines in the past.

Yeah, or just plain lie like that massive cunt on tik tok.

For those unaware, some shithead mouthbreathing bitch made a series of 'videos' showing various side-effects from her supposed vaccine, but it's fake as fuck and super cringe. Except for the fact that she started a gofundme and amassed some ridiculous $. But I guess if you're giving your kids horse dewormers then you'll believe anything...smh.

[68style]

Who made the first ever fake symptoms video? Was it that girl who was like crunking backwards down sidewalks?

[pastarocket]

867 new cases in BC. The highest number of cases in four months. :facepalm:


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[whitev70r]

^ holy sh*t ... 867 !!! Going to be 4 digits by Monday!

[68style]

The measures in place are so silly... I run a floor hockey at a Vancouver community centre... I had read that masks weren't required for indoor sports and I'm confident everyone in our group is vaccinated. I got an email from the community centre today advising of the following measures:

1) You must walk into the community centre with a mask on
2) You can remove your mask when running around playing
3) When you shift off and you're on the sidelines waiting for your next turn, you have to put a mask on

So...... you're in a sealed gym with 17 other guys running full out and coming into contact with them playing hockey which is always going to be contact in some way and it's okay to be maskless, but when you go off to the bench you have to put a mask on? Am I the only one that thinks that's just stupid? I mean... if they're worried just cancel it. That's not preventing shit all.

[SkinnyPupp]

The measures in place are so silly... I run a floor hockey at a Vancouver community centre... I had read that masks weren't required for indoor sports and I'm confident everyone in our group is vaccinated. I got an email from the community centre today advising of the following measures:

1) You must walk into the community centre with a mask on
2) You can remove your mask when running around playing
3) When you shift off and you're on the sidelines waiting for your next turn, you have to put a mask on

So...... you're in a sealed gym with 17 other guys running full out and coming into contact with them playing hockey which is always going to be contact in some way and it's okay to be maskless, but when you go off to the bench you have to put a mask on? Am I the only one that thinks that's just stupid? I mean... if they're worried just cancel it. That's not preventing shit all.
It's a stupid policy but I guess the only other option is to shut down completely. I think it's a huge health risk for certain people to cut off oxygen intake during physical exertion.

Even in Hong Kong, where the masks rules are crazy strict (you still have to wear them at all times in public, even outdoors walking down the street), they had to make an exception for people exercising outdoors. Which again makes it stupid that you have to wear them when not exercising.

Still have to wear them in gyms though, and it really, REALLY sucks.

Side rant:

I'm not an anti masker by any means, I've been advocating them since day 1 of this thing when people were still going by old science of "it doesn't block the incoming virus". But fuck we're down to 0 local cases now with super strict quarantine and border closure. Half the population is vaccinated now. Can we at least take them off outdoors? Maybe more people will vaccinate if you let them take off their mask more often. It makes no sense to enforce them outdoors WutFace

[StylinRed]

What kind of irks me is DrH et al wants to make it seem like an interior problem, and they keep noting that half those daily #s are from the interior

But fraser n coastal health are basically one area and when u add those two #s up its higher than the interior health #s

[Traum]

Skinny, you've been in HK all this time, and you're telling me you don't know all of the insanely strict anti-COVID measures are only there because of political reasons?

Carrie is not going to ease things up until China feels ready to open up. Either that, or Carrie gets replaced, and the new puppet CEO -- Pikachu Lee? -- tries some new stuff.
Side rant:

I'm not an anti masker by any means, I've been advocating them since day 1 of this thing when people were still going by old science of "it doesn't block the incoming virus". But fuck we're down to 0 local cases now with super strict quarantine and border closure. Half the population is vaccinated now. Can we at least take them off outdoors? Maybe more people will vaccinate if you let them take off their mask more often. It makes no sense to enforce them outdoors WutFace

[westopher]

What kind of irks me is DrH et al wants to make it seem like an interior problem, and they keep noting that half those daily #s are from the interior

But fraser n coastal health are basically one area and when u add those two #s up its higher than the interior health #s
Interior health is also 1/4 of the population of those 2 health authorities, with a proportionally sized healthcare system.
They are also at higher risk for hospitalization due to lower vaccination rates.

[hud 91gt]

The measures in place are so silly... I run a floor hockey at a Vancouver community centre... I had read that masks weren't required for indoor sports and I'm confident everyone in our group is vaccinated. I got an email from the community centre today advising of the following measures:

1) You must walk into the community centre with a mask on
2) You can remove your mask when running around playing
3) When you shift off and you're on the sidelines waiting for your next turn, you have to put a mask on

So...... you're in a sealed gym with 17 other guys running full out and coming into contact with them playing hockey which is always going to be contact in some way and it's okay to be maskless, but when you go off to the bench you have to put a mask on? Am I the only one that thinks that's just stupid? I mean... if they're worried just cancel it. That's not preventing shit all.

You can’t make specific rules for every activity. People aren’t that smart to keep track of, nor will they both to even learn them.

Physical activity, mask off. Sitting mask on. It may be silly in your situation, but it’s a lot better then masks on everywhere.

[GLOW]

they could always say masks on at all times and really test everyone's cardio Kappa

it'll be like training at higher elevations :badpokerface:

[68style]

Haha yah after thinking about it I honestly don’t agree with what I said. It’s not silly. There’s a difference between sitting stationary in close proximity to people breathing heavily and running around near them…

[SkinnyPupp]

Skinny, you've been in HK all this time, and you're telling me you don't know all of the insanely strict anti-COVID measures are only there because of political reasons?

Carrie is not going to ease things up until China feels ready to open up. Either that, or Carrie gets replaced, and the new puppet CEO -- Pikachu Lee? -- tries some new stuff.
I know they want to have a zero covid policy like China, but other countries do too. And I know they want to open the border for China before anywhere else, and for some stupid reason keep using that to try to entice people to get vaccinated.

But no, not every single decision they make on covid is political. They've flip flopped on stuff, and there are some bad decisions, but mostly they are doing the right things to keep us safe from covid.

[Manic!]

https://scontent.fyvr3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/p843x403/240781186_10157949938705025_2376939072418294006_n. jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=wGccCAKG6Q8AX8CaO9F&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr3-1.fna&oh=84c773a289f0695b40de661fbb6a672f&oe=614EBCAF

[JDMDreams]

At pne pretty crowded lots of people not wearing masks :rukidding:

[MarkyMark]

Did you call the mask police on them?

[sdubfid]

Haha yah after thinking about it I honestly don’t agree with what I said. It’s not silly. There’s a difference between sitting stationary in close proximity to people breathing heavily and running around near them…

you were correct the first time, it is silly

[Manic!]

https://streamable.com/o6f99z

[westopher]

Might wanna post some context with that.

[CRS]

Might wanna post some context with that.

Horgan having a dinner that has a party of 7.

Angry people angry because they think it's max 6.

However, that was one of the rules that didn't actually take effect so he can have 7.

Angry people angry because rules are hard and people don't keep up to date on them.

[Hondaracer]

At pne pretty crowded lots of people not wearing masks :rukidding:

Yea, it’s outside.

[westopher]

At cars and coffee today. Pretty crowded, not many people wearing masks. Set up communal popsicle station though and all went well.

[68style]

Interesting. Didn’t see my invitation.

[ilovebacon]

https://streamable.com/o6f99z

As a public figure, this man should've known better to sit facing the windows next time lol

[68style]

Why? He isn’t doing anything wrong.

[Razor Ramon HG]

Nothing to do with him being right or wrong, just attracts unwanted attention.

[BlackV62K2]

At cars and coffee today. Pretty crowded, not many people wearing masks. Set up communal popsicle station though and all went well.

Did you call the mask police on them?

:troll:

[JDMDreams]

Meanwhile in Murica, at least there's no 5g side effects:troll::troll:

"Alberta feed stores inundated with calls for ivermectin over false claims livestock dewormer treats COVID"

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/ivermectin-alberta-covid-1.6157200

Maybe a shot of dog pee with it will cure all symptoms:lawl:

[MG1]

Dude who posted the original footage should hang his head in shame and give his balls a tug. He thought he had a news break story. He's like, "I caught him, I caught him............"

Give your balls a tug, numbnut.

[Traum]

At cars and coffee today. Pretty crowded, not many people wearing masks. Set up communal popsicle station though and all went well.

I see what you did there... and isn't that yellow car Producer's?

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