[Hondaracer]

I called in to 980 with the clown Keith baldry and I said it was kind of a lack of respect to just force people to show up and say oh, here’s you’re second Pfizer shot when you got Moderna as the first

He shot me down right away saying experts bla bla bla it’s like shut up clown

[inv4zn]

I'm going to throw this out here.

A lot of people who got it refuse to acknowledge something bad happen to them. Maybe it's their ego, but they would think "it's still worth it to get it instead of covid" so they can go back to "normal" and travel to continue to flaunt on their IG.

Anyways, either you get the jab or not. People should still be respected for their own decision.

Yeah this is a fallcy - you can't claim a lot of people refuse to acknowledge bad side effects when 1: you literally have no idea, because they refuse to say it and 2: that's just not true, read this damn thread.

That's like me saying a lot of people are rapists but they refuse to acknowledge it - there's no basis to account for this, because if they did acknowledge it, well then they wouldn't be part of the group.

[punkwax]

If you had your first one after the first wave of (mostly) old people, your second one is already set dude, check your health portal using the BC services card app:

https://www.healthgateway.gov.bc.ca/

I got mine May 20 and it automatically showed up with my second shot estimated for July 8 on there and it says I’ll be texted or emailed shortly beforehand.

You made it sound so easy I got the app. Then I had to create other website logins to sync w with app etc and I still can’t find my second dose ETA. Used the chat function, same thing just a bunch of new links to try and the runaround.

I give up. I’ll just wait for my text lol

[CRS]

You made it sound so easy I got the app. Then I had to create other website logins to sync w with app etc and I still can’t find my second dose ETA. Used the chat function, same thing just a bunch of new links to try and the runaround.

I give up. I’ll just wait for my text lol

Just click on the vaccination does you got in your history and it'll be there.

You may have to wait a couple of seconds for it to populate.

[LightKeeper]

Yeah this is a fallcy - you can't claim a lot of people refuse to acknowledge bad side effects when 1: you literally have no idea, because they refuse to say it and 2: that's just not true, read this damn thread.


Yes It's a fallacy, just like how you will have no idea if you will have side effects or not.

Since I cannot put words in to people's mouth, I should've said most people who fell ill after getting the jab, will not link it to the jab because of their ego.

[westopher]

90% of the people in this thread who mentioned they got their shot, also mentioned any side effects they felt, whether they had been pro or skeptical of the vaccine.

[RiceIntegraRS]

You made it sound so easy I got the app. Then I had to create other website logins to sync w with app etc and I still can’t find my second dose ETA. Used the chat function, same thing just a bunch of new links to try and the runaround.

I give up. I’ll just wait for my text lol

I just clicked on the my first dose shot, and on that page it told me when im eligible for my next shot, which less than a week but i havent received my text boooking yet. But since a bunch of people are getting hit harder when their 2nd shots, i dont mind waiting a tad longer and hopefully the 2nd dose hits me less harder if that make sense.

[punkwax]

Just click on the vaccination does you got in your history and it'll be there.

You may have to wait a couple of seconds for it to populate.

Had to register for even more stuffs. Finally got there :thumbsup:

[Hakkaboy]

Yes It's a fallacy, just like how you will have no idea if you will have side effects or not.

Since I cannot put words in to people's mouth, I should've said most people who fell ill after getting the jab, will not link it to the jab because of their ego.

What side-effects did you feel after your first jab that may or may not be dismissed by you because of your ego?

[twitchyzero]

breakthrough medicine is not without risks

we're in this shit 16 months deep and there's very few who actually want this to drag on so let's just play nice regardless of someone's choice?

i'm few days from 2nd dose and will continue masking probably rest of the year regardless of what our government tells us

[LightKeeper]

What side-effects did you feel after your first jab that may or may not be dismissed by you because of your ego?

I'm talking more about long term effects.

I think it's quite unanimous that the short term effects were there.


let's just play nice regardless of someone's choice?


I agree with this.

[spoon.ek9]

I can't speak to how things are outside of this thread but we have all been very forthcoming and transparent about our experiences with the vaccine. This is probably the 5th time I've said this but I actually had less side effects with my second dose of Pfizer and I wasn't the only one with this experience.

Anyways, I am happy to report that we are seeing very few covid cases at my hospital these days. It obviously isn't zero, but it's a stark contrast to what we were seeing at the peak of that third wave!

On another note, after tonight I will have surpassed 200 hours OT in 6.5 months (all of last year was 154). We are still busy at the hospital but at least for the most part, it ain't covid! We're still short handed btw, in case some of you were wondering. Looking forward to having a normal summer and a normal world again :D

[whitev70r]

On another note, after tonight I will have surpassed 200 hours OT in 6.5 months (all of last year was 154). We are still busy at the hospital but at least for the most part, it ain't covid! We're still short handed btw, in case some of you were wondering. Looking forward to having a normal summer and a normal world again :D


Can you take that OT in pay? Or do you have to take it off in time?

[Obsideon]

Can you take that OT in pay? Or do you have to take it off in time?

Either way it sounds like a great time! :toot:
Banking all that money/time since there's currently nothing to do anyway, then blowing your excess load when everything opens up!

I don't even remember if I wrote this already but maybe got lost in this thread; my cousin who's a US fire fighter got his second dose.
He said the first dose he felt absolutely nothing, after the second dose it felt like he got hit by a truck, couldn't get out of bed for 3 days.
He's super fit, trains daily and crazy cardio. It scared me when he told me, if he's bedridden for 3 days, am I gonna die? lol ...

Personally my first dose, sore arm and mild headache.

[JSALES]

One of my coworkers who got his first shot of Pfizer told me his foot was inflamed and painful, as well as having blurred vision for a week. He said he’s hesitant to get the second dose since he does not want to go through the pain again

[punkwax]

My daughter had a sore throat for a couple of days so I took her for a gargle test today at 1:15. She got a text about 6 hours later letting her know it was negative.

Impressive.

[spoon.ek9]

Can you take that OT in pay? Or do you have to take it off in time?

problem is, even if I bank it, there's no guarantee we have enough staff for me to take the time off. so instead, I've taken the money for all of it lol.

[whitev70r]

Research to confirm what we all know!

Alberta's vaccination rate correlates with education level

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/alberta-vaccination-rates-education-correlation-1.6063373

[GLOW]

problem is, even if I bank it, there's no guarantee we have enough staff for me to take the time off. so instead, I've taken the money for all of it lol.

i'll reiterate :)

https://media1.giphy.com/media/Tg6H3bvu1IgrEQHmXo/200.gif

[MarkyMark]

COVID putting people's kids though college

[whitev70r]

By the time you take off the taxes, you might as well take it off

[underscore]

3rd leg

:troll:

I think you got the wrong medication from Pfizer then :lol

[donk.]

I think you got the wrong medication from Pfizer then :lol

How did you know i got pfizer :suspicious:



we're in this shit 16 months deep and there's very few who actually want this to drag on

USA and alberta have entered the chat


On a side note, i keep harassing our anti vaxxers at work, (all trades guys so its harsh humor as usual) and turns out your actually "not allowed to ask" people if they have their vaccine? Something to do with privacy or something? Next thing you know, you cant ask what someone had for breakfast without HR showing up

World is going downhill 1 year at a time, id pay big bucks to go back to 1980 where noone was butthurt about everything and anything

[westopher]

Funny cause the anti Vaxxers are also most commonly in the “but my rights free speech!” Category.
What they usually mean by defending free speech though is that they can criticize peoples backgrounds and ways of life without being held accountable for their comments, but are the first to cry when someone criticizes them.

[Hondaracer]

Unless you’re working in a care home or hospital I don’t feel like it’s any of an employers business whether you’ve been vaccinated or not

[westopher]

It’s definitely the employers business as they are held directly accountable for workplace transmission.

[Traum]

The Chinese TCM explanation for this is -- your body has flushed out all the toxins that was previously stored / trapped in you. Some people pay thousands of dollars to get a treatment result like this, and you got it for free! :alonehappy:

I hope you've been having yogurt to replenish your gut flora, man.

I didn't even want to post about this, because I totally jinxed myself.

My vaccine on that Monday elicited fucked up diarrhea for a whole week from the Tuesday - Sunday. Ended up clearing up by Sunday night.

Apparently that's a side effect for some people, lucky me.

Needless to say I did not inform any of my friends that are on the fence about the whole thing :lol

[Ch28]

It’s definitely the employers business as they are held directly accountable for workplace transmission.

Maybe I'm looking at this from the wrong perspective, but I honestly see no issues if my employer asked me if I was vaccinated or not. I don't see any negative downside besides the obvious "muh freeedums!!!11" excuse?

[JDMDreams]

Yea I'm wondering about the legality of the vaccines at the work place, especially with the no face mask that the gov says. I've already heard a guy say I don't have to wear a mask cuz I've had 2 shots:ohgodwhy::fulloffuck::facepalm:

I heard UK is delaying reopening cuz shits going bad again.

Yea sure you have 2 shots, but I haven't and what about the Karen next to you that didn't get any shot? Can they sue you for infecting them? That's like having aids but not letting people know :pokerface:

[LightKeeper]

It's none of anyone's business when I super charge/ turbo charge or what kind of oil I put in my ride.

[underscore]

It’s definitely the employers business as they are held directly accountable for workplace transmission.

Yeah I don't see how this would be different from any other workplace safety requirement. In plenty of industries you already have to provide proof that you've taken the required training and safety courses so you're less likely to hurt or kill yourself and others.

[MG1]

………….or what kind of oil I put in my ride.

Royal Purple, ftw! Full synthetic and that colour. Kool Aid.

[320icar]

It's none of anyone's business when I super charge/ turbo charge or what kind of oil I put in my ride.

It is if you spill it on the road causing accidents and deaths

[320icar]

Yeah I don't see how this would be different from any other workplace safety requirement. In plenty of industries you already have to provide proof that you've taken the required training and safety courses so you're less likely to hurt or kill yourself and others.

Isn’t it mandatory for plenty of fields like airlines? Getting mandatory vaccines etc. Don’t see why this should be any different

[blkgsr]

i'm trying decided if i go AZ on my 2nd shot or not....i can book no but not sure what to do, i keep hearing stay with AZ. anyone with any real valid input?

[JDMDreams]

^ did you have any symptoms after getting it? No one can answer that for you besides your body.

[LightKeeper]

It is if you spill it on the road causing accidents and deaths

Well, if I deliberately ejaculate into someone's soup, then sure, it's my fault.

This goes for any type of medical condition btw. There's no reason to disclose your own personal medical records to your employer.

I'd be more worried about shingles than corona, even then I wouldn't care if the person next to me has shingles.

[sonick]

i'm trying decided if i go AZ on my 2nd shot or not....i can book no but not sure what to do, i keep hearing stay with AZ. anyone with any real valid input?

This article convinced me to go for Pfizer for my second shot (AZ was my first) 2021-06-04 BC ? COVID-19 in British Columbia (http://covidbc.webfoot.com/2021/06/04/2021-06-04-bc/)


Also they have lower stock of AZ, and so Pfizer is likely going to be more readily available.

[68style]

Not sure about private workplaces, but federal government unions was a complete non-starter to even ask if each person has the vaccine or not, they’re not going to ask end of discussion.

So going back into the office at some point you have no idea who has it or not… I know of 2 people I work with who refuse to get it but officially I don’t know that.

It’s going to be interesting, raises all sorts of issues of why you should go into meeting rooms or work in close quarters with people who have the potential risk to die from infection, etc.

[RiceIntegraRS]

i'm trying decided if i go AZ on my 2nd shot or not....i can book no but not sure what to do, i keep hearing stay with AZ. anyone with any real valid input?

I can get my 2nd AZ shot on Thursday if i wanted to and im really tempted to do so.

But im opting to get the Pfizer just cause of the effectiveness and it also protects me from additional variants. Hopefully i get a booking text by next week

[Hondaracer]

Imo any unionized place you're not gonna get anything out of the employees regarding their status

If I was with my old company where I respected ownership and was on friendly terms with them id be more than happy to tell them anything they wanted. But now working in a unionized environment where the employer basically went out of their way to not get us vaccines, and does a lot of borderline invasion of privacy shit i don't care to tell them anything.

The managers had this gross round about way of being like "heh heh I got my vaccine how about you?" Which was 100% mandated from above. I just kinda gave a vague answer then asked which vaccine he got, when he said AZ i kinda made a point to be like yea eh.. too bad for you lol

If public health numbers are accurate there shouldn't be a reason to have to ask whether someone is vaccinated or not because in theory your workplace should have herd immunity.

In the perfect scenario I'd have no problem disclosing whatever they wanted. But given how they approach things where I work, what's next, mandatory flu shots? Fuck that

[twitchyzero]

i think they at the very least they should know how many of its employees are vaccinated if kept anonymous

[Ch28]

The managers had this gross round about way of being like "heh heh I got my vaccine how about you?" Which was 100% mandated from above. I just kinda gave a vague answer then asked which vaccine he got, when he said AZ i kinda made a point to be like yea eh.. too bad for you lol

You're such a dick :lol

[Great68]

Not sure about private workplaces, but federal government unions was a complete non-starter to even ask if each person has the vaccine or not, they’re not going to ask end of discussion.

So going back into the office at some point you have no idea who has it or not… I know of 2 people I work with who refuse to get it but officially I don’t know that.

It’s going to be interesting, raises all sorts of issues of why you should go into meeting rooms or work in close quarters with people who have the potential risk to die from infection, etc.

Private employer,
We had a company town hall last week, and our HR VP actually stated on record that they legally can't require vaccination for employees.

[stewie]

This goes for any type of medical condition btw. There's no reason to disclose your own personal medical records to your employer.


If I'm a long haul semi truck driver spending 15 hours a day driving an 18wheeler down the highway every day should I kinda tell my boss if I have narcolepsy and that I have in the past passed out at the wheel and it's possible to do so again?
They are my medical records which may have a negative impact on my job... so nah I don't think I'll tell the boss and just see how things turn out.

[Hondaracer]

You're such a dick :lol

It was such a weasly way he asked me i had to get a poke in :lol

[320icar]

I think it goes both way. I fully support people’s free choice to NOT have the government force vaccines upon them. But I don’t want my right to safety be trumped by your right to freedoms, we both deserve respect.

This is where heard immunity is important. If a workplace has 80-90% vaccination rate, then does that last percent really matter? I don’t know, I’m not a scientist.

You have a right to smoke. But your right to smoke does not trump my right to not want to breathe in your second hand smoke.

You have a right to not want the vaccine. But I have a right to not be surrounded by people carrying a potentially deadly virus. Whether YOU care if YOU sit next to someone with ‘shingles’ is not MY problem when MY health might be at risk.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ it’s a tough decision. How do you pleaser everyone?

[LightKeeper]

If I'm a long haul semi truck driver spending 15 hours a day driving an 18wheeler down the highway every day should I kinda tell my boss if I have narcolepsy and that I have in the past passed out at the wheel and it's possible to do so again?
They are my medical records which may have a negative impact on my job... so nah I don't think I'll tell the boss and just see how things turn out.

Obviously when you have physical impairment, you shouldn't be operating or applying to any job that requires you to work with a machine.

But for other disease like cancer, flu, diabetes, covid, herpes, whatever. There is no reason for disclosing any of that to your employer.

Furthermore, I saw a new piece on someone driving home AFTER getting the covid shot and they passed out at the wheel and caused a huge accident. This is something similar to what you're saying. DO NOT DRIVE AFTER YOU GET YOUR SHOT.

[westopher]

Public vaccination numbers only give part of the story.
I’m sure some sectors are 90% and some sectors are 50% based on demographics.

Put it this way, and this is all hypothetical. The numbers don’t relate to my work in any way. If I have 8 staff, 3 are unvaccinated. Am I going to put the two unvaccinated ones together in a small room where social distancing isn’t possible? That greatly increases my chances of having a workplace transmission, and can
A) put my staff at risk
B) cost the business money
C) get us temporarily shut down
How does someone’s right to not let me know if their vaccinated trump the risks it can cause my business, and employee health and wellness?
You don’t want to get vaccinated sure, it’s your body, but if your employed by me, it’s my business, so, what’s fair? I’m not talking about firing people cause they aren’t vaccinated. As long as you can do your job, and it has no bearing, that’s unreasonable. But to keep secrets that can affect others at your place of work because “it’s none of my business?” No fuckin way that’s a reasonable request.

[LightKeeper]

I just want to understand where some of you guys' worry come from?

You have always been exposed to people that have transmitted disease in pre-covid times, you just never know about it. Whether it is a common flu to hiv. What some of you are saying is that people are "disgusting".

Someone's right does not end where your fear begins.

[stewie]

Obviously when you have physical impairment, you shouldn't be operating or applying to any job that requires you to work with a machine.

But for other disease like cancer, flu, diabetes, covid, herpes, whatever. There is no reason for disclosing any of that to your employer.

Furthermore, I saw a new piece on someone driving home AFTER getting the covid shot and they passed out at the wheel and caused a huge accident. This is something similar to what you're saying. DO NOT DRIVE AFTER YOU GET YOUR SHOT.

Luckily for the person I've made up, so long as he hasn't passed out at all within a 5 year period they're allowed to keep their commercial license and use it as if there's nothing wrong. However, if they happen to have an accident at home while walking through the kitchen or driving down their alley way their commercial license is suspended again. BUT that's only if they admit something happened. They can pass out while putting on their shoes in the morning... if nobody saw it happen... did it actually happen?

It may be walking on glass turning them down from a job as it's a medical discrimination. They've a license to work and as far as a Dr. is concerned the person is perfectly healthy and capable so long as meds are taken as prescribed. It's an honor system.

If we're going to say do not drive after you get a covid shot, we might as well follow what the label on all over the counter pills such as Tylenol/Buckley's cough pills etc say. "You may experience drowsiness, do not operate heavy machinery" and so on. Take a shot/pill of anything and put yourself out of commission for 12 hours to self monitor?

[68style]

If I had sex with my coworker they’d be legally obligated to tell me if they have HIV and it’s veritably impossible for me to catch it otherwise.

You really want to get into the whole COVID = Same as the flu thing?

[Blueboy222]

4Head

[LightKeeper]

If I had sex with my coworker they’d be legally obligated to tell me if they have HIV and it’s veritably impossible for me to catch it otherwise.

You really want to get into the whole COVID = Same as the flu thing?

The point is that you were already surrounded by all kinds of virus either at public place or work place. What changed is the sudden mentality of people that others are unclean.

I'm not going in to covid = common flu thing, even though they are statistically the same.

[Hakkaboy]

For the anti-vaxxers in here, I see a few, if your employer says "OK, we won't ask if you have been vaccinated or not, but it is required that you wear your mask anytime you leave your desk or talk to anyone. If you have been vaccinated, then you may choose to wear a mask or not."

So, for you guys who refuse to vaccinate...and tell your employer about it, will you be wear a mask or not and breach of your employer's health and safety protocols?

[inv4zn]

If I'm fully vaccinated by 2 shots, why should i be worried about being around others who aren't vaccinated?

Because 2 shots =/= 100% protection.

If you wore a condom, but it's only 90% effective, would you have sex with someone with HIV?

[68style]

The point is that you were already surrounded by all kinds of virus either at public place or work place. What changed is the sudden mentality of people that others are unclean.

I'm not going in to covid = common flu thing, even though they are statistically the same.

Nope I’ve always assumed other people are filthy, don’t wash their hands after the bathroom, pick their noses, scratch their balls, touch everything, have fans at their desks they cough into.

That said, nothing they ever coughed out could put me in the hospital with a life threatening condition before this. In order for your theory to be true Covid would have to be no more dangerous than the common flu, so you are making that argument whether you think you are or not.

It’s up to you if you want to continue believing that stupidity.

[MarkyMark]

Just give incentives to show you're vaccinated perhaps. People who can prove they have both shots have the option of wearing a mask if they want, everyone else has to keep the mask on. Doesn't have to be that persay but I'm sure there's more creative ways to make it an "optional" choice to show you're vaccinated.

[LightKeeper]

For the anti-vaxxers in here, I see a few, if your employer says "OK, we won't ask if you have been vaccinated or not, but it is required that you wear your mask anytime you leave your desk or talk to anyone. If you have been vaccinated, then you may choose to wear a mask or not."

So, for you guys who refuse to vaccinate...and tell your employer about it, will you be wear a mask or not and breach of your employer's health and safety protocols?

I'll admit I guess I'm an "anti-vaxxer" because I don't see the benefit of taking this drug. I'm far from anti-vaccine though. Many people who take this shot does not understand. This is NOT the traditional whole cooked virus vaccine. So far, only Sinovac from China is and there is very little funding for this approach of vaccine. Also, there is always a risk when you inject something into your system.

For me personally, wearing a mask is where I drew the line. I did not mind wearing a mask throughout the last year. So when you ask if employer says vaccinated can take off their masks, I wouldn't care at all. But don't you think that is prejudice?

[westopher]

I'm not going in to covid = common flu thing, even though they are statistically the same.
This is a very quick way to prove that you won’t really bring anything to the table here.

[LightKeeper]

That said, nothing they ever coughed out could put me in the hospital with a life threatening condition before this. In order for your theory to be true Covid would have to be no more dangerous than the common flu, so you are making that argument whether you think you are or not.

It’s up to you if you want to continue believing that stupidity.

Yes, you can say covid and the common flu are different things, but the stats are very similar. Two different things having similar results is not out of the ordinary.

Of course we can believe what we want. It's up to you and I respect that.

[LightKeeper]

This is a very quick way to prove that you won’t really bring anything to the table here.

Westopher, that's all I have to say, man.

I'll leave this discussion up to you guys.
I just thought some opposing opinions would spark discussion, but obviously this topic is beaten to death and people already made up their mind.

All the best to you all on your decision in this topic.

[blkgsr]

I can get my 2nd AZ shot on Thursday if i wanted to and im really tempted to do so.

But im opting to get the Pfizer just cause of the effectiveness and it also protects me from additional variants. Hopefully i get a booking text by next week

i'm currently booked for my 2nd shot of AZ on the 28th

i was thinking of going pfizer but my wife who works in health care has been talking to upper level doctors and they've been telling her for me to go 2 shot AZ

[Blueboy222]

4Head

[Liquid_o2]

So you're saying even if you and I are both fully vaccinated, we could still get covid? Why did I bother getting vaccinated with my first dosage at all, and risk all the long term side affects?

The chances of it becoming a serious illness are drastically reduced if you are vaccinated. You won't end up in the hospital. That is why.

[JDMDreams]

^so you don't die on the spot, look at India. From what I've been sold its to lessen the symptoms, you can still get it, just less likely to die and have bad symptoms. You can also still be a carrier if you're vaccinated.

[Traum]

So you're saying even if you and I are both fully vaccinated, we could still get covid? Why did I bother getting vaccinated with my first dosage at all, and risk all the long term side affects?
The COVID vaccines available in Canada have been shown to be extremely effective in reducing your chances of developing severe symptoms or dying from COVID. The mild cases rarely leave behind any long term side effects.

Additionally, even if a vaccinated person gets sick, the transmissibility of the virus from that person seems to be dramatically lower as well.

[JDMDreams]

And for employers, I'm pretty sure they can some how say it's a requirement for the job. At the end of the day it's private property and they make the rules. I'm sure they can say vaccine required, like they said they will for concerts, traveling etc. No shirt no shoes no vaccine no service.

I doubt they would want to risk shut downs, sick employees, negative press just for some Karen's.

[LightKeeper]

I'll add that 2 shots from Pfizer/ AZ would not be enough.

There will be booster shots coming in September of this year.

[MarkyMark]

How many people who have been fully vaccinated have died from Covid after the fact? I was under the impression that the numbers were pretty much no one.

I'm on board with the vaccines and the masks to get through this but once I'm fully vaccinated and the numbers are very low I'm ditching this fucking mask. Anyone who's worried about me being a carrier can put on 3 masks.

[320icar]

Obviously when you have physical impairment, you shouldn't be operating or applying to any job that requires you to work with a machine.

But for other disease like cancer, flu, diabetes, covid, herpes, whatever. There is no reason for disclosing any of that to your employer.

Furthermore, I saw a new piece on someone driving home AFTER getting the covid shot and they passed out at the wheel and caused a huge accident. This is something similar to what you're saying. DO NOT DRIVE AFTER YOU GET YOUR SHOT.

Sorry you’re right. I didn’t realize cancer, herpes and diabetes were airborne and super infectious that spread around the world ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[JDMDreams]

^ maybe end of 2023 if there's no more new variants

[westopher]

Westopher, that's all I have to say, man.

I'll leave this discussion up to you guys.
I just thought some opposing opinions would spark discussion, but obviously this topic is beaten to death and people already made up their mind.

All the best to you all on your decision in this topic.
Opposing opinions are fine, but you can’t just ignore actual numbers and stats that disprove your completely false statement.

[6793026]

If I'm fully vaccinated by 2 shots, why should i be worried about being around others who aren't vaccinated?

thought this has been discussed to death.
Just cause you are vaccinate, you can still get sick.
Lots of assumption
You did get a working vaccine, ur body is actually making the antibodies. YOu still get infected, you just get "less" sick. You can still and might be able to transmit.

Doctor made fun when we had a beer; just cause you got HIV vaccine (if there is one), you're not going to start banging every girl / guy out there. You cant' really tell if you're really really protected.

[CRS]

So you're saying even if you and I are both fully vaccinated, we could still get covid? Why did I bother getting vaccinated with my first dosage at all, and risk all the long term side affects?

So if seatbelts don't save 100% of lives, why bother wearing one?

I'll add that 2 shots from Pfizer/ AZ would not be enough.

There will be booster shots coming in September of this year.

This is highly speculative at this point.

[JDMDreams]

^ I'm pretty sure there will be a booster shot, new vaccine as it continues to mutate. Doctors already said there's gonna be a wave 4 just how bad it gets this fall.

[snowball]

Booster shots won't be needed if we can stamp it out this year or early next year. But we all know that's not going to happen because there are some people holding us back.

[320icar]

I just want to say I appreciate @lighthouse being open and honest with his opinion. Being able to see a situation from different angles is always appreciated and helps us all understand things better.

I still personally disagree though.

[Hondaracer]

This argument is a funny one about “but you might cause me to die because I’m fully vaccinated And you’re not!!”

Come on, non-vaccinated people having a 99.97 survival rate of COVID19 and you’re worried about Somone who isn’t vaccinated effecting you when you’re fully vaccinated? This is getting a little silly.

I completely agree with Westopher that in small, private companies it “may” be in your right to ask for proof of vaccination. Companies under 100 people or so generally do not have an HR department therefore I think you could easily ask potential and current employees to disclose their vaccination status and not risk any repercussions.

Large companies, unionized companies, and the public sector, there is no way in hell you’re going to have to prove anything.

That statement on the previous page of “if you can’t prove your vaccinated you’ll have to wear a mask” lol, yea fucking right.. that’s like the antithesis of that Jew star anti-vaccer thing I posted. You think a company is going to essentially publicly shame an employee who they can’t say has been vaccinated by forcing them to wear a mask all day long? Good luck

[Traum]

Booster shots won't be needed if we can stamp it out this year or early next year. But we all know that's not going to happen because there are some people holding us back.
It isn't just anti-vaxxers holding us back. Another unfortunate and inconvenient truth is -- so far, only the wealthy countries have reliable access to the effective vaccines. The poorer countries have very poor access to those effective vaccines, and that reality just means the pandemic will continue to ravage them for some time. As the pandemic continues, new variants will emerge, and there will come a point when a new variant is fairly good at defeating the existing vaccines.

Add world travel and global economy to the mix, and you can guarantee the new variants will spread around. Countries with strong immigration programs -- Canada and the US immediately comes to mind -- cannot stop people from flying back to their countries of origin for whatever reason, nor can they stop them from returning, so the virus will continue to spread.

This COVID genie is out of the bottle already. I can picture how it might mutate to become less virulent over time, much like how many different diseases have done, but it ain't gonna go away ever. It has already made too large an established base.

[LightKeeper]

I just want to say I appreciate @lighthouse being open and honest with his opinion. Being able to see a situation from different angles is always appreciated and helps us all understand things better.

I still personally disagree though.

Thanks for the shoutout, it's lightkeeper though.

We're living in the information age after all. We're all bombarded with information every day. Information is moving so fast that people do not have time to process them. I think this is why there are numerous opinions in this topic. These beliefs are based on these information. Scientific study shows this, this report shows that.

Personally, I believe this pandemic is at a tipping point in this information age. Things will be very interesting in the next few years.

What we cannot lose at this time though is respect from a man to a man. Whatever I said in this topic was just my opinion. I wish all the guys at revscene good health and all the best to your decisions on this topic.

[MG1]

The end is the beginning.

Nature's a bitch. Unless, it was man made.

I don't think this pandemic is going to end. Only going to get worse. Life will never be the same.

[Manic!]

The end is the beginning.

Nature's a bitch. Unless, it was man made.

I don't think this pandemic is going to end. Only going to get worse. Life will never be the same.

https://cdn.theatlantic.com/thumbor/ngdxE03mE2W9JM0Udtye4fC5N-w=/675x518/filters:format(png)/media/img/posts/2014/05/debbie/original.png

[MG1]

I hope I'm wrong. I really do, but have to be prepared for the worst. Nobody a year and a bit ago thought it would get to where we are now.

[twitchyzero]

USA and alberta have entered the chat


USA went back to normal life months ago

[320icar]

USA went back to normal life months ago

Yes but only because they decided to just not care anymore. Plus their yardstick of ‘a normal life’ is pretty fucked (there has been over 250 mass shootings in the us so far in 2021)

[68style]

I’m glad Trudeau didn’t agree to open the border despite having a personal interest in it being open, latest information out of the USA and their no holds barred march toward freedom is that the most dangerous variants have completely taken over… so the people getting sick there now are getting really fuckin sick…

[CivicBlues]

The fuck is going on in the Yukon? 71% fully vaccinated age 12+ (https://covid19tracker.ca/provincevac.html?p=YT) yet it's now the 3rd highest infection rate in North America (https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/covid-19-in-the-u-s-how-do-canada-s-provinces-rank-against-american-states-1.5051033)

All it takes is one mother fucker and a bunch of his unvaccinated friends, it turns out:
https://www.yukon-news.com/news/it-is-now-more-important-than-ever-to-get-vaccinated-yukon-jumps-to-33-active-covid-19-cases/

[westopher]

With such a low sample size the results can look a lot crazier than they are.
Sensationalist headlines. What’s the news gonna ruin people’s days with once covid is no longer the hot topic?

[Hondaracer]

They should probably start reporting the bad drug crisis that has killed hundreds of more people than Covid.

[MarkyMark]

It's going to be years of "Is this disease the next Covid 19? Here's 10 reasons why it's worse!" and "Get ready to cancel that trip you planned."


People will eat it up too.

[Traum]

I'd say the crucial takeaway out of this news continues to be -- it is extremely important to get ourselves fully vaccinated. It is the delta / Indian variant picking up steam down there in the US, so I wouldn't say it is new. Just 2 days ago, an English study has shown that both the Pfizer and the AstraZeneca vaccines are highly effective at preventing hospitalization (ie. severe COVID) due to the delta / Indian variant:

https://www.citynews1130.com/2021/06/14/pfizer-astrazeneca-preventing-hospitalizations-from-delta-variant-in-britain/

The 2 dose "scores" against hospitalization are:

- Pfizer 96%
- AstraZeneca - 92%

Even the 1 dose "score" is really quite good, esp for Pfizer:

- Pfizer 94%
- AstraZeneca - 71%

It is quite disappointing to see the US vaccination rate increasing more slowly now -- Google says it is only sitting at 44% now, and there is a definite slow down in vaccinations since mid April. At least Washington's vaccination rate is higher than the US national average (at almost 60% right now), but I'd obviously want to see it going much higher before I'd feel comfortable travelling down to WA again.

I’m glad Trudeau didn’t agree to open the border despite having a personal interest in it being open, latest information out of the USA and their no holds barred march toward freedom is that the most dangerous variants have completely taken over… so the people getting sick there now are getting really fuckin sick…

[MG1]

A good friend of mine, who lives in Edmonton, called me a few days ago to tell me he tested positive and is feeling most of the symptoms. Of all the people who shouldn't get it.......... he was pretty anal when it came to protecting himself against Covid. Contact tracers are puzzled. And, he was two days away from getting his second dose of Pfizer.

I told him if he hadn't received his first shot, he might be dead by now. He's in rough shape. Not as bad as another person I know, closer to home, who is in an induced coma in the hospital. Been in hospital for two months.

[westopher]

They should probably start reporting the bad drug crisis that has killed hundreds of more people than Covid.
That won’t get the general public wound up though as most people either aren’t afraid of it or they just don’t care about the people dying from it.

[fliptuner]

Does anyone know if they're using Pfizer at Sunset, in Van? Thanks

[StylinRed]

I'd say the crucial takeaway out of this news continues to be -- it is extremely important to get ourselves fully vaccinated. It is the delta / Indian variant picking up steam down there in the US, so I wouldn't say it is new. Just 2 days ago, an English study has shown that both the Pfizer and the AstraZeneca vaccines are highly effective at preventing hospitalization (ie. severe COVID) due to the delta / Indian variant:

https://www.citynews1130.com/2021/06/14/pfizer-astrazeneca-preventing-hospitalizations-from-delta-variant-in-britain/

The 2 dose "scores" against hospitalization are:

- Pfizer 96%
- AstraZeneca - 92%

Even the 1 dose "score" is really quite good, esp for Pfizer:

- Pfizer 94%
- AstraZeneca - 71%

It is quite disappointing to see the US vaccination rate increasing more slowly now -- Google says it is only sitting at 44% now, and there is a definite slow down in vaccinations since mid April. At least Washington's vaccination rate is higher than the US national average (at almost 60% right now), but I'd obviously want to see it going much higher before I'd feel comfortable travelling down to WA again.

Now I'm wondering if we really need a 2nd dose? Seems like the first does it all, for the mrna ones anyway

[The_AK]

Yes but only because they decided to just not care anymore. Plus their yardstick of ‘a normal life’ is pretty fucked (there has been over 250 mass shootings in the us so far in 2021)

Yea but think of all the value they've created for investors

[320icar]

Yea but think of all the value they've created for investors..

“Twenty million Americans lost their job in the pandemic,” Joe Biden remarked in his Wednesday night address to Congress. “At the same time, roughly 650 billionaires in America saw their net worth increase by more than $1 trillion . . . and they’re now worth more than $4 trillion.”

That’s true, according to Forbes’ data—but the numbers are actually a bit richer. Total American billionaire wealth stands at $4.6 trillion as of the stock market close on April 28, by our count. That’s up 35% from $3.4 trillion when markets opened on January 1, 2020, just as Covid-19 was beginning to take the world by storm.

[CivicBlues]

Now I'm wondering if we really need a 2nd dose? Seems like the first does it all, for the mrna ones anyway

1st dose gives you decent amount of immunity, 2nd dose makes it last longer.

[Traum]

Now I'm wondering if we really need a 2nd dose? Seems like the first does it all, for the mrna ones anyway
For myself, I'd still totally go for the 2nd dose.

Also, keep in mind that those numbers are for protection against hospitalizations from the delta / India variant. They are not efficacy rating against infection (for the variant), and I would expect the efficacy rating against infection is going to be lower than the protection against hospitalization.

Additionally, while the policy announcements haven't been announced yet, I think we can pretty much guarantee that there will be far fewer restrictions for people who are "fully vaccinated" compared to those who have only received 1 shot (unless it is J&J, but that has not been used in Canada yet). So that'd be another incentive to just get both shots done.

[StylinRed]

1st dose gives you decent amount of immunity, 2nd dose makes it last longer.

Yeah which makes me wonder if the second dose should/could just be pushed back longer

At first I was completely turned off by canadas decision of prolonging the second dose, now I'm wondering if we could go longer :lol

[Hondaracer]

If you were skeptical about the vaccine at all, even if you’re not anti-vax, and you’ve got no plans to travel out of the country I don’t really see the point in getting it at this point (for the time being)

You could easily wait a year or more if you were concerned about any long term effects with little risk to yourself if the positivity rate is accurate and not everyone is just an asymptomatic carrier now etc.

[hud 91gt]

Any one in the medical field comment on if a second dose is actually any worse then a single? Or are people just worried about some short term effects? I’m talking in a broad sense, obviously not for this vaccine specifically

In my eyes, you already have that shit inside of you, may as well go for it 100%. Lol.

[quasi]

For myself, I'd still totally go for the 2nd dose.

Also, keep in mind that those numbers are for protection against hospitalizations from the delta / India variant. They are not efficacy rating against infection (for the variant), and I would expect the efficacy rating against infection is going to be lower than the protection against hospitalization.

Additionally, while the policy announcements haven't been announced yet, I think we can pretty much guarantee that there will be far fewer restrictions for people who are "fully vaccinated" compared to those who have only received 1 shot (unless it is J&J, but that has not been used in Canada yet). So that'd be another incentive to just get both shots done.

Yeah, kind of my thought on it is might as well in case I want to travel (I want to travel, Mexico and Vegas are calling) and it's required. My wife is getting her second today, I'm getting mine in a week and a half and my teenager has his first I'd imagine he'll get his second in the next month or two.

[CivicBlues]

Yup pretty much no country in the world is giving concessions for half-vaxxed travellers. Go full or stay home

[Gumby]

The next major hurdle is developing a mechanism to prove you’re vaccinated. I heard on the news today that 1 in 5 adults would lie about being vaccinated if it meant they could travel. :lol

[Hondaracer]

That BC services card app has a very nice little vaccination card you can download as a PDF once you’ve linked that second website to it

[Great68]

For the services card app thing, does it get married to your specific cell phone?

I want to set this up, but my only cell phone is work issued so I don't exactly want to put something like this on there if all of a sudden it's taken away and I have to jump through hoops to un-marry it.

[Hondaracer]

Hmm can’t say. It may because I just opened mine and there is zero login to see your name etc.

[Coren]

Just fyi - Lot of new appointment slots were opened up the in the last day. Was able to move my parents 2nd shot from mid july to next week.
To change or check just go to your confirmation email and click the cancel link, then it'll allow you to hit a button to change your appointment

[underscore]

I haven't tried moving my BC Services app, it might be worth shooting them an email about how that works. Worst case grab an old phone or buy a cheap one and put it on that?

[twitchyzero]

Just fyi - Lot of new appointment slots were opened up the in the last day. Was able to move my parents 2nd shot from mid july to next week.
To change or check just go to your confirmation email and click the cancel link, then it'll allow you to hit a button to change your appointment

i was just helping mom book and noticed appointments same-day 20 minutes out lol

[eclipseman]

I booked for my second Pfizer/Moderna this morning for July 6th. Based on reading comments, cancelled and just booked for this Sat (June 19th).

[nismodrifter]

Just fyi - Lot of new appointment slots were opened up the in the last day. Was able to move my parents 2nd shot from mid july to next week.
To change or check just go to your confirmation email and click the cancel link, then it'll allow you to hit a button to change your appointment

Thanks for posting this. I was sched for this Saturday evening, was able to get a spot earlier in the day now.

[hud 91gt]

For the services card app thing, does it get married to your specific cell phone?

I want to set this up, but my only cell phone is work issued so I don't exactly want to put something like this on there if all of a sudden it's taken away and I have to jump through hoops to un-marry it.

It is, but you can setup on a second device after (not sure what happens to the first device). I dropped my phone in a lake last week. With new phone had to redownload, then go through the approval process again.

[Hakkaboy]

For ppl booking their second shots, when did you get your first shot? Wondering how close they are doing with the "forecast" found the the health services site.

[snowball]

For ppl booking their second shots, when did you get your first shot? Wondering how close they are doing with the "forecast" found the the health services site.

2nd shot 9.5 weeks after the first.

[eclipseman]

Had my first on April 21st.

[quasi]

For ppl booking their second shots, when did you get your first shot? Wondering how close they are doing with the "forecast" found the the health services site.


10 weeks for me from my first shot to when I've book my second.

[StylinRed]

https://m.thewire.in/article/government/uttarakhand-govt-orders-fir-against-labs-for-fake-covid-tests-during-kumbh

India performed at least hundreds of thousands fake covid tests, This was done to meet govt daily test quotas

The full extent of the fraud isn't known


Copied from Reddit, but edited the quick summary as it was misleading

[Hakkaboy]

great thanks guys!

Looks like I'm still a few more weeks out

[Teriyaki]

Surprise 1m Moderna shots incoming to the feds tomorrow, then off to the provinces afterwards. We might get a small tip of the needle for those with Moderna first shots?

[CRS]

Surprise 1m Moderna shots incoming to the feds tomorrow, then off to the provinces afterwards. We might get a small tip of the needle for those with Moderna first shots?

I think we're getting them tonight and it's likely because the vaccination rates are stagnating so they over supply for a product that is going to go to waste. Since we're so close, why not just give it to us and get some good rep out of it.

[The Producer]

2nd shot booked for saturday. exactly eight weeks after the first. wife and I will both get it together again.

taking the AZ again. whatever it takes to move the process along.

positive thread post!

[blkgsr]

apparently now they're saying not to get the 2nd AZ shot

cancelled my appointment and tried to make an appointment for the other ones but system is down of course, called in and they're saying the notices for the mRNA shots won't come out till you're at 8 weeks.

[iwantaskyline]

Do you have to register again for the second dose or is it auto?

[The Producer]

apparently now they're saying not to get the 2nd AZ shot

cancelled my appointment and tried to make an appointment for the other ones but system is down of course, called in and they're saying the notices for the mRNA shots won't come out till you're at 8 weeks.

interesting - I'll prob get an mrna notice right after i get my shot :pokerface:

oh well, if they want to boost me again in the fall, I'm fine with that. whatever it takes

[CRS]

Do you have to register again for the second dose or is it auto?

Auto

[westopher]

2nd shot booked for saturday. exactly eight weeks after the first. wife and I will both get it together again.

taking the AZ again. whatever it takes to move the process along.

positive thread post!
Maybe you aren’t now from the looks of things today.

[The Producer]

Maybe you aren’t now from the looks of things today.

https://www.citynews1130.com/2021/06/17/pfizer-moderna-vaccines-now-preferred-second-dose-for-astrazeneca-recipients-naci/

this? fucking NACI mix messaging.

man, this has all been handled so poorly.

[CRS]

https://www.citynews1130.com/2021/06/17/pfizer-moderna-vaccines-now-preferred-second-dose-for-astrazeneca-recipients-naci/

this? fucking NACI mix messaging.

man, this has all been handled so poorly.

Here's the thing with science and the NACI. They work with the best information that they have at that time.

Is it always 100% correct? Absolutely not. But they're forced to make recommendations with the information that they have.

I don't understand people who are say that they are giving mixed messages. Because science is a mixed message. It gets refined over time. It may keep the same course but it more than likely will change some.

[westopher]

That’s fair. The flip flopping from the people in charge of interpreting that message is the issue though I think. They need concise direction from NACI to be filtered through the politicians in charge of conveying that information. The conflicting messages from politicians and the NACI (who are advising politicians) is getting people stressed out. Either NACI should be giving information to the media exclusively, or politicians should be, because when they contradict each other, they are making people uncomfortable. Which is the last thing Canada needs in terms of preventing vaccine hesitancy.

[The Producer]

then they should pull the canadian AZ approval

right now they're telling me I really shouldn't get the vaccine I have an appointment for in 48 hours (but it's up to me, even though I'm totally unqualified to choose)

that's mixed messaging, or whatever you want to call it - and I don't think it's helping. my confidence in the process is pretty shot, and the naysayers and doubters get the ammunition they need to keep spreading the bad word.

i know this stuff is always changing - hell, we're the beta testers here.

[CRS]

then they should pull the canadian AZ approval

right now they're telling me I really shouldn't get the vaccine I have an appointment for in 48 hours (but it's up to me, even though I'm totally unqualified to choose)

that's mixed messaging, or whatever you want to call it - and I don't think it's helping. my confidence in the process is pretty shot, and the naysayers and doubters get the ammunition they need to keep spreading the bad word.

i know this stuff is always changing - hell, we're the beta testers here.

This is one of those you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't.

Can you imagine what would happen if they pulled AZ? All the naysayers would have unlimited ammunition.

If you're going with new data, you could always switch. But AZ's test trials are valid for keeping their own brand instead of mixing.

[The Producer]

could this have anything to do with the borders? are these guys doing a little bit of pre damage control if we find out that the americans will not accept an AZ vaccine passport?

i'd be a lot more stoked about making a decision if I had the same information that the politicians have.

i'm not going to lie - I took the AZ because I wanted to protect myself and my business as soon as I possibly could. but I also was part of a movement that undoubtedly contributed to the easing of the 3rd wave. Frankly, i think there should be a little more support for the AZ crowd, both at a provincial and federal level.

tell me that our group has considerable resources assigned to us to make sure that we are as equally protected as our fellow citizens. Assure us that path we took will never result in any negative access issues, be it travel - or even domestic restrictions.

I mean - maybe this is great timing. If I had gotten the AZ shot an hour ago, I wouldn't be sitting here trying to figure out what to do.

[CRS]

It's a deeply personal choice. I don't think there is a right or wrong choice.

I am confident that whatever choice you go with, you will not have your access restricted should vaccine passports even be a thing.

[twitchyzero]

looks like one will be uploading their vaccine cards into the app, then digital database will roll out few months later

https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/2021/06/17/as-calls-grow-for-a-travel-plan-minister-says-proof-of-vaccine-system-unlikely-until-the-fall.html

the conflicting message on the AZ stance between the province and canada is :fulloffuck:

and now we're seeing it won't be recognized when you leave the country as some predicted, cavet emptor

[pastarocket]

Bill Blair - Public Safety Minister


@BillBlair
·
Jun 18, 2021
Our number one priority as we fight #COVID19 is keeping Canadians safe. In coordination with the U.S., we are extending restrictions on non-essential international travel and with the United States until July 21st, 2021.


Bill Blair
@BillBlair
As we have said, the government is planning measures for fully vaccinated Canadians, Permanent Residents, and others who are currently permitted to enter Canada and will provide further details on Monday, June 21.

[320icar]

Thank fuck. Keep it going @bill Blair

[twitchyzero]

6 months of vaccinating/90% to target and they're just now working on a border plan, waits 1 business day prior to deadline to announce extension LUL

summer tourism season dead a 2nd year, how many businesses are on their last straw?

gotta love living in north korea

[68style]

Well... alternatively... waiting until 1 day prior allows them to have the most up to date stats to base their decision on?

Maybe should visit North Korea and report back, also show us all the photos you took while there... oh wait you can't take photos there without being arrested. Totally same.

[twitchyzero]

would love to, under house arrest since last March though

was more alluding to how the feds have brainwashed us into thinking it’s still too risky, even with 2 doses

then allow nhl teams in, that’s the kicker

also, Moderna tells us to get our shit together

https://financialpost.com/fp-finance/moderna-founder-says-canada-needs-to-build-a-biotech-hub-to-avoid-getting-caught-with-its-pants-down-next-time

[CRS]

6 months of vaccinating/90% to target and they're just now working on a border plan, waits 1 business day prior to deadline to announce extension LUL

summer tourism season dead a 2nd year, how many businesses are on their last straw?

gotta love living in north korea

would love to, under house arrest since last March though

was more alluding to how the feds have brainwashed us into thinking it’s still too risky, even with 2 doses

then allow nhl teams in, that’s the kicker

also, Moderna tells us to get our shit together

https://financialpost.com/fp-finance/moderna-founder-says-canada-needs-to-build-a-biotech-hub-to-avoid-getting-caught-with-its-pants-down-next-time

Wow, did you recently take a page out of the Karen's Handbook for Hyperboles?

:badpokerface:

[twitchyzero]

is it hyperbole if we had re-education camps until not even that long ago?

we can’t even wag our fingers at the Saudis anymore lol

ask the tour operators out of at least 2 years of work how to best describe it, house arrest isn’t that far off

[Teriyaki]

Holy shit when did RS become Facebook groups/twitter. I expected better.

[CivicBlues]

You totally can take photos in North Korea as a tourist, you just have to take photos of the ruling Kims every 2nd photo

[fliptuner]

Waiting my 15 minutes, post vax, at Sunset in Van. Pretty well setup, offering all 3. I got Pfizer/Pfizer. We'll see how the reactions go, this time around. First dose I got a mild rash/hives on my forearms.

[The Producer]

i took the second AZ shot in the end. figured i would follow the manufacturers plan. if I have to boost w something else later, so be it.

no side effects

of course as predicted, got offered an mRna 9 hours afterwards :alone:

[TOS'd]

What was the general consensus on mixing mRNA vaccines? Ie. First shot was Pfizer, second shot being offered is Moderna.

[SSM_DC5]

What was the general consensus on mixing mRNA vaccines? Ie. First shot was Pfizer, second shot being offered is Moderna.

The consensus of RS?

[TOS'd]

The consensus of RS?

RS, Government, etc.

Previous news about mixing were typically AZ with something else. On June 14th it was said to seek the same one. And then on June 21st it said mixing mRNA was completely safe. Some pharmacies here (ON) have their own stance and will not be allowing people to mix P/M doses despite the news above.

Just curious what others thought. I am not eligible to book my second yet, my first was P. But I know others who are eligible and they just got an email saying they will be getting M (P was their first dose).

[inv4zn]

mRNA COVID-19 vaccine
NACI recommends that, if readily available, the same mRNA COVID-19 vaccine product should be offered for the subsequent dose in a vaccine series started with an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine. However, when the same mRNA COVID-19 vaccine product is not readily available, or is unknown, another mRNA COVID-19 vaccine product recommended for use in that age group can be considered interchangeable and should be offered to complete the vaccine series. The previous dose should be counted, and the series need not be restarted.

(Strong NACI Recommendation)

From here:
https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/immunization/national-advisory-committee-on-immunization-naci/recommendations-use-covid-19-vaccines/rapid-response-interchangeability.html#_mRNA_COVID-19_vaccine

[CivicBlues]

RS, Government, etc.

Previous news about mixing were typically AZ with something else. On June 14th it was said to seek the same one. And then on June 21st it said mixing mRNA was completely safe. Some pharmacies here (ON) have their own stance and will not be allowing people to mix P/M doses despite the news above.

Just curious what others thought. I am not eligible to book my second yet, my first was P. But I know others who are eligible and they just got an email saying they will be getting M (P was their first dose).

2nd shot emails now say what shot you'll be getting? I thought you just show up and get whatever they have.

[TOS'd]

2nd shot emails now say what shot you'll be getting? I thought you just show up and get whatever they have.

For ON in this particular health region, yes. Cannot comment on BC.
Thank you for booking your second appointment of the COVID-19 vaccine at ______________ vaccination clinic, and doing your part to protect yourself and others.

We are pleased to offer you the Moderna vaccine for your second dose.

[Teriyaki]

Although the mRNA shots are mostly identical afaik between P and M, I can foresee that other countries will not be as forgiving and "loose" with the rules as we have been even if that data says it's safe.

Possible that some countries will go 100 percent by the book and only recognize those with 2 of the same shot as "fully vaccinated".

[68style]

My mom went for her second shot at River Rock in Richmond and she said they checked her card when she went in and there were 2 separate lineups… one for people who had Moderna and one for people who had Pfizer.

[Euro7r]

Just booked my dad for shot# 1 at Vancouver Italian Cultural Center for July. I haven't really been following the vaccine aspect, so whatever they have that day they have to take it? My dad is one of the fucking assholes that is adamant on Pfizer, so how he can ensure he gets that?

[Hondaracer]

Unless he gets a text like above you won’t know until you go.

By all means at this point if he wants pfizer I’d say tell them to cancel on site and then he can rebook

[snowball]

Just booked my dad for shot# 1 at Vancouver Italian Cultural Center for July. I haven't really been following the vaccine aspect, so whatever they have that day they have to take it? My dad is one of the fucking assholes that is adamant on Pfizer, so how he can ensure he gets that?

Might be hard to convince your dad, but the provincial sites only have Pfizer and Moderna and they are virtually the same. I got Moderna a few months ago and had no issues.

Most likely though they will give him Pfizer.

[Coren]

Just booked my dad for shot# 1 at Vancouver Italian Cultural Center for July. I haven't really been following the vaccine aspect, so whatever they have that day they have to take it? My dad is one of the fucking assholes that is adamant on Pfizer, so how he can ensure he gets that?

Just fyi, your dad (and anyone else who needs their first shot) can do a drop in clinic for 1st shot instead of waiting for July if he wants.

Same-day drop-in spots now available!

VCH is now offering same-day drop-in spots at select COVID-19 vaccination clinics. These spots are for first doses only. People aged 70 years of age and older (those born in 1951 or earlier) may attend a drop-in clinic, listed below, for first or second doses.

ICBC Claim Centre
Address: 255 Lloyd Ave., North Vancouver, B.C. V7P 3G5
Dates: June 22, 23 and 24
Times: 7 p.m. to 10 p.m.
Availability: 50 drop-in spots available per evening
Eligibility: Age 12-69, first dose only, age 70+ first or second dose

Vancouver Community College
Address: 1199 E. 7th Ave., Vancouver, B.C. V5T 4V5

Dates: June 23, 26 and 27
Times: 9 a.m. to 6 p.m.

Availability: 400 drop-in spots available per day
Eligibility: Age 12-69, first dose only, age 70+ first or second dose

source: COVID-19 vaccines (http://www.vch.ca/covid-19/covid-19-vaccine)

[StylinRed]

Cubas developed vaccine has a 92+% effectiveness, announced earlier today https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/cuba-says-abdala-vaccine-9228-effective-against-coronavirus-2021-06-21/

[Gh0stRider]

My mom went for her second shot at River Rock in Richmond and she said they checked her card when she went in and there were 2 separate lineups… one for people who had Moderna and one for people who had Pfizer.

good to know. I have my 2nd shot appointment at River Rock this weekend.

[Sentinel]

I went to convention center yesterday for my second vaccination. It was 10 weeks after the first vaccination. The computers at convention center had a glitch so they had to manually register the patients. Took about 80 minutes from lining up to leaving after the 15 minutes resting period.

At the registration, they check which one you got as your first vaccine. Then line up at the pfizer line or moderna line.

[mikemhg]

Cubas developed vaccine has a 92+% effectiveness, announced earlier today https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/cuba-says-abdala-vaccine-9228-effective-against-coronavirus-2021-06-21/

Blows my mind this country still has an embargo held against it. They export more doctors per capita then anywhere else in the world.

Fucking nuts.

[whitev70r]

How are anti-vaxxers explaining the dramatic drop in cases as a result of the effectiveness of vaccinations? I mean the cases are down to like ~50/day now.

[68style]

^ herd immunity, everyone got it of course it’s going down, it wasn’t bad in the first case most people actually got it and didn’t even realize it blah blah blah

[Blueboy222]

:pokerface:

[LightKeeper]

How are anti-vaxxers explaining the dramatic drop in cases as a result of the effectiveness of vaccinations? I mean the cases are down to like ~50/day now.

If you're interested in an opposing opinion, you will need to look for it yourself. Most people already made up their decision. Otherwise, you can just listen to Bonnie Henry.

[inv4zn]

If you're interested in an opposing opinion, you will need to look for it yourself. Most people already made up their decision. Otherwise, you can just listen to Bonnie Henry.

"dO yOuR oWn ReSeArCh!!!!"

:rukidding:

[LightKeeper]

"dO yOuR oWn ReSeArCh!!!!"

:rukidding:

"BoNniE HeNRy iS AlWAYs rIGHt!"

:woot2::woot2:

[inv4zn]

"BoNniE HeNRy iS AlWAYs rIGHt!"

:woot2::woot2:

No, but the science she delivers is what I'll base my trust on.

5G microchip nonsense vs. science...hmm. Tough choice.

[LightKeeper]

No, but the science she delivers is what I'll base my trust on.

5G microchip nonsense vs. science...hmm. Tough choice.

Yes because Bonnie Henry represents the whole scientific community. :sleepingzz:
And people starts wondering why people stop giving opposing opinions.

[LightKeeper]

I'd hate to be the one that ends this discussion.

Carry on... I promise I'll just listen in from now on.

[Hondaracer]

Not to mention Bonnies statements often have conflicted with the national vaccine teams statements. Provincial health officers have tried to downplay the seriousness of some effects such as the AZ blood clots until higher powers essentially force their hand to act otherwise etc.

Not to say she hasn’t done well, but just blindly listening to her drone on day in day out is doing yourself a disservice imo.

Also all this talk of mixing vaccines, if you search articles coming out of medical journals and hospitals in the states the general consensus seems to be mixing is only “in the most exceptional circumstances” yet we try and quote a small sample size study that it’s fine and just shut up and take whatever shot you’re given :/

[inv4zn]

lol I'm not perpetuating that Bonnie Henry should be idolized, I donno why her name is being specifically mentioned as some form of counter argument to antivax.

Feel free to make your own decisions, but when the general consensus of people who are, you know, doctors, to do something - I think I'll go with what they say.

To be clear, I fully respect Hondaracer's stance in this thread because his points and arguments are still within the realm of reason. My distaste is towards the full out crazies that drink the anti-vax koolaid based off of a youtube video some guy in a basement wearing a labcoat put together, as if somehow that supersedes actual science.

[inv4zn]

Yes because Bonnie Henry represents the whole scientific community. :sleepingzz:
And people starts wondering why people stop giving opposing opinions.

Perhaps you failed to notice she's the scientist/doctor who is representing the province...So yeah.

[Blueboy222]

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[LightKeeper]

Perhaps I'm in no position to post here because I rarely come on to revscene. (I'm honestly here to look for a possible used car to buy)

I appreciate HondaRacer's comment as well(even though, I'm more of a Toyota guy :fullofwin:), because he actually did some homework on this.

For your information, there are plenty of scientific peer-reviewed journals from doctors/ scientists regarding this "vaccine" and other remedies to this coronavirus. You just need to look for them yourself because what you see on TV is pretty much a "youtube video"

[SSM_DC5]

How are anti-vaxxers explaining the dramatic drop in cases as a result of the effectiveness of vaccinations? I mean the cases are down to like ~50/day now.

I think their explanation is not due to vaccination, but it's because flu season is over.

[JDMDreams]

^ flu season 2021 is in like 2 months lol, brace yourself winter is coming

[GLOW]

i thought their explanation was that it was all a hoax :badpokerface:LUL

[yray]

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/likely-link-between-rare-heart-inflammation-and-pfizer-moderna-vaccines-cdc-advisers-1.5482320

'Likely link' between rare heart inflammation and Pfizer, Moderna vaccines: CDC advisers



Anyone feeling the inflammation after getting doses?

my dick was swollen for a couple hours... oh wait, wrong Pfizer

[StylinRed]

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/likely-link-between-rare-heart-inflammation-and-pfizer-moderna-vaccines-cdc-advisers-1.5482320

'Likely link' between rare heart inflammation and Pfizer, Moderna vaccines: CDC advisers



Anyone feeling the inflammation after getting doses?

I had chest pains for about a week, around 2-3weeks after the shot, I assumed it was heartburn though, even tho I rarely get heartburn, and it never lasts that long, but I just shrugged it off

[inv4zn]

For your information, there are plenty of scientific peer-reviewed journals from doctors/ scientists regarding this "vaccine" and other remedies to this coronavirus. You just need to look for them yourself because what you see on TV is pretty much a "youtube video"

Imagine making an obvious statement as if it's somehow poignant. Of course there are plenty of academia - but how many of them are antivax?

[GGnoRE]

LightKeeper, can you post your scientific peer-reviewed sources then? I'm actually curious so I'll read them with an open mind

[blkgsr]

got my mRNA text 8 weeks after as expected (AZ 1st shot) so booked for July 6th for what ever the dealers choice is i guess

[JDMDreams]

I heard on the news this morning 95% of the cases in England is the Delta variant, Us is 20% but fauci predicts it will be 70% in a month. Open the borders they said it will be fun they said, no face masks they said :heckno:

[LightKeeper]

LightKeeper, can you post your scientific peer-reviewed sources then? I'm actually curious so I'll read them with an open mind

I'll post one for spoon feeding, many of you refuse to believe it anyways. One of the problem with this "vaccine" is that it became a science religious cult. If people don't agree with Anthony Fauci's "science" is that they are against science. This is far from the truth.

Also, I'm just gonna ignore inv4zn's comments because they read like it's from a 15 year old high schooler with his meme comments (Save it for your facebook updates)

If anyone took a basic research course in college/ university, you would know that you should look for opposing sources, not just from your idiot box (television).

EDIT: Just realize I can't upload PDF files. Too bad. Just keep watching the news then.

[Presto]

Why can't you just post a link to this article? It should be easy enough to Google it.

[inv4zn]

I'll post one for spoon feeding, many of you refuse to believe it anyways. One of the problem with this "vaccine" is that it became a science religious cult. If people don't agree with Anthony Fauci's "science" is that they are against science. This is far from the truth.

Also, I'm just gonna ignore inv4zn's comments because they read like it's from a 15 year old high schooler with his meme comments (Save it for your facebook updates)

If anyone took a basic research course in college/ university, you would know that you should look for opposing sources, not just from your idiot box (television).

EDIT: Just realize I can't upload PDF files. Too bad. Just keep watching the news then.

lol, literally the same response from everyone subscribing to the same idiocy. Gaslighting, diversion, generalizations, and when all else fails, "hapzard" (shitty) comments with liberal use of quotations, parenthesis, etc. Although kudos to you for at least NOT capitalizing every fourth WORD.

[LightKeeper]

Why can't you just post a link to this article? It should be easy enough to Google it.

It's not an article. Not those Global News news article.

It's an academic journal, you don't find those on Google.

[whitev70r]

^ Most reputable academic journals are available either through a library, Ebsco, or something similar. Why don't you just quote name of author, title, name of journal and let's see if we can find it.

[LightKeeper]

I take that many of you here are offended because you already took the "vaccine" and cannot be unvaccinated.

I quote "vaccine" here because it can barely be called a real vaccine.

Those of you that took it are part of the clinical trial. You signed up for an experiment that would've never been allowed if it wasn't under the emergency act. This clinical trial does not end until 2023.

Under Operation Warp speed, Trump was able to produce this drug for all to use. Never been done in the history of mankind. Trump was the man.

When politics is mixed into medical, you have to know something isn't right. Because we're so sure money can expedite the scientific method. Right?

[EDIT] Just want to add that, I hope you have the name of the nurse that gave you the shot, because no one would be held accountable for your adverse effects. The man/woman that gave you the shot must be held responsible, because "I'm just taking orders" should not be a viable reason.

[Spectre_Cdn]

It's not an article. Not those Global News news article.

It's an academic journal, you don't find those on Google.

Google Scholar.

Many here would have access to journals and papers; all we need is a journal name, title and author(s).

[LightKeeper]

Google Scholar.

Many here would have access to journals and papers; all we need is a journal name, title and author(s).

Here I screen shot the first page.

Alright, I give up here.
Revscene sucks. Can't even attach pictures.

I'm wasting time here just to convince you guys.

[CRS]

Here I screen shot the first page.

Alright, I give up here.
Revscene sucks. Can't even attach pictures.

I'm wasting time here just to convince you guys.

Just upload to imgur. Google drive. Whatever cloud you want.

JFC how hard is that?

[LightKeeper]

Just upload to imgur. Google drive. Whatever cloud you want.

JFC how hard is that?

Honestly a pain to do extra steps.
https://imgur.com/a/1jHeSjv

[sonick]

Here is the fulltext PDF link. It took 5 seconds to find:

https://ijvtpr.com/index.php/IJVTPR/article/view/23/51

Here is the main site of the journal: https://ijvtpr.com/index.php/IJVTPR/issue/archive

Do your own research and judgment.

About the Authors:

Stephanie Seneff (born April 20, 1948)[1]:249 is a senior research scientist at the Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory (CSAIL) of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT). Working primarily in the Spoken Language Systems group, her research at CSAIL relates to human-computer interaction, and algorithms for language understanding and speech recognition. In 2011, she began publishing controversial papers in low-impact, open access journals on biology and medical topics; the articles have received "heated objections from experts in almost every field she's delved into," according to the food columnist Ari LeVaux.

The other, Greg Nigh is a naturopath and acupuncturist.

[68style]

So is there an addendum article that explains why I should believe the lady who made Alexa and an acupuncturist about vaccination science over, say, someone who studied molecular level biochemistry for 7 years?

I feel like I would have no problem listening to Stephanie talk about computer based voice recognition… or getting acupuncture from Greg… but neither of them should be writing about vaccines or even giving an opinion on them. At all.

[LightKeeper]

That is just one doctor/ scientist.

There are many more. Of course, we're all psychopaths that read in to these things :)

Happy to be one.

I wouldn't buy a used car comfortably without a car fax report/ thorough research of the car I'm buying. I wouldn't directly inject something into my body without knowing what it is, even then, there are still risks injecting anything into the body.

[68style]

Well of course there are many more? It’s easy to talk about something and write articles when you don’t need to back them up with science or studies.

Your comparison doesn’t even hold water, you’re not doing research, you’re looking for dialogues that fit a personal decision you’ve made. It would be more like shopping for a used car and deciding you want a Toyota and then reading articles written by people who only love Toyota’s… or getting a carfax report from someone who usually provides reports on laundry detergent and knows nothing about cars but thinks they do because they drove one once.

[LightKeeper]

Well of course there are many more? It’s easy to talk about something and write articles when you don’t need to back them up with science or studies.

Your comparison doesn’t even hold water, you’re not doing research, you’re looking for dialogues that fit a personal decision you’ve made. It would be more like shopping for a used car and deciding you want a Toyota and then reading articles written by people who only love Toyota’s… or getting a carfax report from someone who usually provides reports on laundry detergent and knows nothing about cars but thinks they do because they drove one once.

I completely agree with you. When I watch Bonnie Henry on TV and how she contradicts herself throughout the whole last year. I tend to not trust that source.

[68style]

I don’t watch her every day myself, not sure why she needs to be a focal point or what she has to do with the science behind vaccines. She’s creating policy with the rest of the government based on best information available at any given time while considering the needs of the many. An unenviable task if there ever was one.

I mean the proof will be in the pudding, ~5 billion people are going to be vaccinated in a years time with little to no related deaths. Can’t say the same for Covid. I don’t even need to say anything, I am confident that time will prove you wrong, just hope you don’t have to pay for your decision personally.

[LightKeeper]

Delta Variant coming soon.
Booster shots would be needed by Sept - Nov (Fall).

If I remember to log on here again, we'll see if it's true.

Also, ya'll haven't looked into other remedies to covid yet.

[sonick]

Also, ya'll haven't looked into other remedies to covid yet.

Says who? I have been consistently taking vitamin D, Zinc, and Quercetin with my usual vitamin regiment since the start of the pandemic, yet I am still getting my vaccines.

[underscore]

Those of you that took it are part of the clinical trial. You signed up for an experiment that would've never been allowed if it wasn't under the emergency act. This clinical trial does not end until 2023.

If you're not getting vaccinated you're signing up for the clinical trial for COVID. Of the two groups, that seems like a much worse one to be in.

[LightKeeper]

The coronavirus has been around even before we were born into this world.
If you're not comfortable with it, and you trust the science, then go ahead and get the vaccine.
Simple as that.

But, as to say, your dose does not work because unvaccinated people didn't get it, that is just bogus.

[stewie]

Delta Variant coming soon.
Booster shots would be needed by Sept - Nov (Fall).

If I remember to log on here again, we'll see if it's true.

Also, ya'll haven't looked into other remedies to covid yet.

If I didn't get vaccinated and ended up with Covid perhaps this remedy could work: Onions in socks (https://www.healthline.com/health/cold-flu/onion-in-sock#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20folk%20remedy, up%20cured%20of%20your%20illness.)

[LightKeeper]

I bet ya'll having so much fun now that I participated here.

Anyways, hope it was entertaining to you all.

You can all take it as a joke.

[Hondaracer]

The vaccine discussion begins and ends with hospital capacity

You take the vaccine knowing it was created as an emergency measure to try and help family and friends from ending up in the hospital and dieing. Regardless of your stance on the vaccine the argument always comes back around to hospital capacity and the medical system

I really couldn’t have cared less to be vaccinated as I don’t believe I was in danger at all of being seriously ill or dieing from covid. The numbers reflect that. However, occasionally you kinda gotta take one for the greater good of society. I’m not thrilled to have to take it, but if it means some return to normalcy and protecting my parents etc. I guess you do what you gotta do

Regardless of your thoughts on the vaccine it always goes back there. That’s it

[inv4zn]

The vaccine discussion begins and ends with hospital capacity


Well, yes - but also no. Hospital capacity is an important measure for societies with hospitals, but you also have to realize that hospitalization only occurs for people with access to hospitals...

I guess the counter-argument would be if some hypothetical place had a hospital with a million-bed capacity, would that location not take Covid seriously?

But the rest of what you said is on point, 100% agree.

Also, to nobody's (except maybe Lighthouse or keeper or whatever):
https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-941fcf43d9731c76c16e7354f5d5e187

Nearly all COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. now are in people who weren’t vaccinated, a staggering demonstration of how effective the shots have been and an indication that deaths per day — now down to under 300 — could be practically zero if everyone eligible got the vaccine.

An Associated Press analysis of available government data from May shows that “breakthrough” infections in fully vaccinated people accounted for fewer than 1,200 of more than 853,000 COVID-19 hospitalizations. That’s about 0.1%.

And only about 150 of the more than 18,000 COVID-19 deaths in May were in fully vaccinated people. That translates to about 0.8%, or five deaths per day on average.

The AP analyzed figures provided by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The CDC itself has not estimated what percentage of hospitalizations and deaths are in fully vaccinated people, citing limitations in the data.

[CivicBlues]

Yikes this is some November 2020 level discussion going on here. Haven't we all moved on ?

[inv4zn]

^ Clearly not, I found out a few days ago a guy we laid off last year is a huge covid denier. Like flat out denies it.

The kicker is his sister in the US died from it a few months ago, but he STILL denies it. Boggles the fucking mind.

[LightKeeper]

I already know whether I post other sources, it would still be ridiculed. No matter how many different sources there is, it wouldn't change anyone's mind.

Like I said, people had already made their decision on this topic. I completely respect that.

I just hope ya'll would do the same for us with different opinions in the real world.

[mikemhg]

I already know whether I post other sources, it would still be ridiculed. No matter how many different sources there is, it wouldn't change anyone's mind.

Like I said, people had already made their decision on this topic. I completely respect that.

I just hope ya'll would do the same for us with different opinions.

That's kind of a lame excuse though.

Post your sources, even if you get clowned, who cares? Push your ideas if you think they're credible.

Just don't post an MP3 file :lol A buddy of mine I was debating with on FB tried to send me, a recording of an anti-vax "doctor". Needless to say, I didn't download, nor listened to it.

[LightKeeper]

Honestly though, medical advice shouldn't be given to one and another in the public. It should be sacred between a doctor and a patient. And everything discussed should be confidential.

A doctor should be there to help with the patient's wish. Not the doctor mandating this or that because of the greater good.

Therefore, politics and medical should not mix.

[CivicBlues]

I already know whether I post other sources, it would still be ridiculed. No matter how many different sources there is, it wouldn't change anyone's mind.

Like I said, people had already made their decision on this topic. I completely respect that.

I just hope ya'll would do the same for us with different opinions in the real world.

Look I'm trying real hard not to ridicule you here but you can't just appear out of nowhere and go around cock-teasing us with ReAd MuH SoUrCeS!!!111 for like 3 pages straight and then post some potato photo of a "paper" written by a Computer Scientist and Acupuncturist on the subject of vaccines.

I mean, come on man, I know you're trying to be objective and start a dialogue here but at least try a bit harder. It doesn't help your default disposition is some half-assed persecutory delusion.

[JDMDreams]

I guess some people prefer death over 5g

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/us-covid-19-deaths-unvaccinated-1.6078680

[westopher]

Live free or die, I guess.

[LightKeeper]

ReAd MuH SoUrCeS!!!111 .

I bet you didn't even read past the first few pages. The first thing that comes to your mind is dismiss.

I can be extremely rude also to your retarded decision on getting something experimental and just follow what you are being told.

Obviously, this isn't the place to debate about vaccines. But, I see now this is just another place where you find others who conforms to the jab.

[CivicBlues]

Just what the fuck do you expect us to read? Your incessant ramblings about non-peer reviewed sources? Your raving persecution complex? Stop trying to be some kind of off-brand CiC. All the crazy, none of the substance.

[68style]

The antivax argument always falls into a big pharma / lemmings / conformist thing.

Tell us about other facets of your life... do you drink soda? Do you eat microwavable foods? Do you drive a car? Do you walk outside? Do you wear shoes made of synthetic materials? Any polyester in your clothes? What are your soaps in your house made out of? Cleaners? Are you posting your messages on a laptop? Phone? Wifi?

How come all these things aren't conforming to Evil Inc? All the things above you most likely partake in or use are not okay or conformist or are okay to put in your body... but suddenly you decided to draw your line in the sand over a vaccine that has essentially saved the world? MRNA vaccines aren't "new experimental technology", maybe this derivative is new, but the philosophy and science behind them is anything but and I would hardly call it experimental.

Its way too convenient to decide on this one thing you're suddenly more educated / can see more clearly / not a follower when literally every other facet of your life you're doing exactly what everone else is and eating/drinking/breathing the same shit... come on...

[LightKeeper]

Just what the fuck do you expect us to read? Stop trying to be some kind of off-brand CiC. All the crazy, none of the substance.

You don't need to read anything. You don't even want to know anything other than what you are being told by the news.

Critical thinking isn't meant for you. Just listen and do what you are being told.


I actually remember CiC and I never had any problem with him. His opinions was just as strong as yours.

[CivicBlues]

As I suspected, you're just a low-rent troll.

[LightKeeper]

As I suspected, you're just a low-rent troll.

Let's just leave it at that. You can just take me as a troll or a joke. Doesn't matter. I have nothing to gain here, but to lose my time on here.
There's no more room to discuss this topic for me here. It would just turn ugly.


Continue and carry on.

[SkinnyPupp]

I don't think this person is a troll; they seem to really be the next CiC. Just completely lost.

We should just be glad that there are enough critical thinking people to hit the >75% vaccination rate to get herd immunity. Let them benefit from it, they are still part of the public after all.

I think they actually believe that "the news" is trying to mislead people. To what end, I don't know. But they are right in that I "don't want to know anything" that crazy people claim.

[LightKeeper]

Here I'll get you guys back on topic:

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/b-c-adds-75-new-cases-of-covid-19-3-deaths-1.5483897

Today's numbers.

[68style]

^ haha geez this guy… gives new definition to the word sanctimonious

[inv4zn]

LightKeeper: "Vaccines" are not proven, MSM is lying, you're all sheep!
RS: stats show vaccines are working
Lightkeeper: But but bonnie henry! There's plenty of papers!
RS: Plz provide source
Lightkeeper: Do your own research!
RS: Plz provide source
Lightkeeper: Can't upload, sorry, RS is shit
RS: Plz provide source
Lightkeeper: Can't find source, but here's a shitty photo
RS: Finds paper very easily, finds it's written by non-experts, points this out
Lightkeeper: There's more, trust me.
RS: Plz provide source
Lightkeeper: Why, you'll just make fun of me! I won't reply anymore!
RS: lol, troll
Lightkeeper: I won't reply! But here's a reply, vaccines are bad!
RS: plz provide source
Lightkeeper: no, u
RS: We think you're objectively wrong, and hope you change your mind
Lightkeeper: you're all sheep, here's a diversion tactic, links to CTV.

Do you see why you're facing ridicule?

[AzNightmare]

I had a discussion with a friend last month. He's been spamming me with a lot of "anti-vax" videos and articles. Kind of TL;DW TL;DR.

Anyway, I just thought it was annoying how he would just send sources without actually talking to me. I don't know if I was just part of his list of contacts that he was mass messaging these to.

One day, I just wanted to burst his bubble and told him I already had my shot, lol. I had no idea he was really serious about this stuff and nearly scolded me and said I am going to die in 5 years.

Well shit..... maybe.

I went on a shopping spree for car parts afterward.
:pokerface:

[68style]

You should ask him if he will be disappointed if you don’t die

[donk.]

I I had no idea he was really serious about this stuff and nearly scolded me and said I am going to die in 5 years.

Global reset / WEF /davos has entered the chat

In 4 years, there will be a vaccine, for the vaccine :troll:

[Ludepower]

My anti-vaxx brother is a LightKeeper until he caught covid. Bed ridden for 2 weeks and driving himself to the hospital to confirm hes not dying.

His Facebook post saying its just a mild flu and government/media is brainwashing you has aged like milk.

He's now waving the white flag and preaching the vaccine. Its all a conspiracy until it affects you personally. Luckily our vaccination rates are high and lightkeeper gets to leech the benefits.

[CivicBlues]

People like LightKeeper are worse than scum. Planting seeds of doubt in the guise of "scientific inquiry" when in fact he and people like him are the one ignoring reams of scientific inquiry that have been peer-reviewed on these vaccines. The hesitant and weak-minded latch on this misinformation and the pandemic is prolonged for all of us.

Fuck you.

[quasi]

I had a discussion with a friend last month. He's been spamming me with a lot of "anti-vax" videos and articles. Kind of TL;DW TL;DR.



I have one friend like that, I just don't take the bait, don't argue with him and let him continue with zero interaction on the topic.... I like the guy but sometimes he says some dumb shit, I don't even feel the need to argue I'm not changing his mind and he's not changing mine.

[spoon.ek9]

Ok, as someone who works in hospital and has had a front row seat to this entire pandemic, lightkeeper you are incredibly misinformed. I don't even know where to start with all the completely incorrect information you're spewing.

[westopher]

Bro just keep an open mind you can find the info out there bro please bro don’t be sheeple.

[fliptuner]

Ok, as someone who works in hospital and has had a front row seat to this entire pandemic, lightkeeper you are incredibly misinformed. I don't even know where to start with all the completely incorrect information you're spewing.

Inb4 you're a pawn or part of the conspiracy :lol

Update, 5 days after getting my 2nd Pfizer shot. I got the same minor hives breakout on my forearms and felt a bit sluggish the first day. No headache this time. Went right back to work NP.

[whitev70r]

Lightkeeper has fallen into the stereotypical anti-vaxxer profile. RS sincerely tried to give him the benefit of doubt and a moment to articulate an intelligible reasonable counterpoint but regretfully, it's the same old.

[JDMDreams]

Apparently there's a Delta + now, which is another mutation of the Delta and vaccines might be not effective against it.

[GGnoRE]

I'll post one for spoon feeding, many of you refuse to believe it anyways. …

If anyone took a basic research course in college/ university, you would know that you should look for opposing sources, not just from your idiot box (television) …

LightKeeper, I’m going to try be civil with you in hopes that you will reply again. Since you speak of college/university level education, you should know that vetting your sources is the most important. The journal that published the paper you quoted is pretty much garbage in terms of scientific integrity.

1. The Editor-in-Chief, John Oller, believes that vaccines cause autism which has never been proven. That should be a major red flag unless you believe in that theory as well? https://johnoller.com/researcher-blogs/tag/john-w-oller/
2. This journal has no actual publisher nor is it indexed in PubMed. Basically it is no different than me publishing random theories online on my own website. None of the work from that journal is cited by any reputable publications elsewhere. Is this your definition of “scientific, peer-reviewed” sources?
3. The author of the paper that you shared, Stephanie Seneff, is an editor of the journal (see point #2 about self-publishing). She’s got zero scientific qualifications in infectious disease, epidemiology, or any other scientific discipline related to COVID. She also spews a lot of conspiracy theories about GMOs. Her latest is that Glyphosate causes Covid. https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-pseudoscience-environment/dr-stephanie-seneff-strikes-out-again-glyphosate-and-covid-19

Any clarification will help, thanks.

[whitev70r]

^ Don't bother ...

[bigzz786786]

LightKeeper is a real life hacks!

Oh right, my sources:

Revscene.net (2021), "Coronavirus discussion ", pg 450

Trust, its legit

[punkwax]

https://i.imgflip.com/5ekecb.jpg

[underscore]

I've interacted with present-day people who still think seatbelts and airbags are a bad thing.

[whitev70r]

Or cyclists and helmets. The most idiotic thing I see are cyclists who hang their helmet on the handlebars as they ride around ... so the helmet is protecting the handlebar in the event the cyclist has a crash?

[Hondaracer]

My buddy got an appointment for second shot in Surrey, they didn’t say which it was until he was there. Got Pfizer as first and only Moderna was at the location he showed up to. Walked and he said a bunch of people cancelling on site as well

The total population getting their second shot will likely take much longer than the first did, as they are seeing in the states

[AzNightmare]

My buddy got an appointment for second shot in Surrey, they didn’t say which it was until he was there. Got Pfizer as first and only Moderna was at the location he showed up to. Walked and he said a bunch of people cancelling on site as well

The total population getting their second shot will likely take much longer than the first did, as they are seeing in the states

Is this behavior justified?
Is it because they think Pfizer is the best? or they just don't want to mix and match?

Should we be concerned about this?

[Hondaracer]

As I said before my preference would definitely be to get two of the same. Not only for any future concerns but for travel etc. If I’m going to take it I’d like it to have the least negative effects possible

[SkinnyPupp]

https://twitter.com/angryblkhoemo/status/1408576921269583879