[SkinnyPupp]

You seem to be with the tribe of if you can prevent one person from getting Covid then it's worth whatever measures needed to make that happen.

No, I have literally said many times that it's worth reasonable measures to prevent more deaths and make it so we're at the point where "we can move on". In fact I am very careful to put it that way specifically.

[MarkyMark]

No, I have literally said many times that it's worth reasonable measures to prevent more deaths and make it so we're at the point where "we can move on". In fact I am very careful to put it that way specifically.

Sure but reasonable measures to you contradict what health officials feel is safe enough to not be required so calling people selfish for listening to them instead of you just doesn't come off very well.

[SkinnyPupp]

Sure but reasonable measures to you contradict what health officials feel is safe enough to not be required so calling people selfish for listening to them instead of you just doesn't come off very well.
These are judges making some of these rulings, not health officials.. They are literally overturning the rules put in place by health officials, because of politics and not science. And other lawmakers try to keep up. Judges, by the way, who were put in place by people who I absolutely disagree with on most things (and I think you would too)

[MarkyMark]

Are we talking about BC or USA? I haven't watched the news a ton but I don't recall judges removing our mask mandates?

[westopher]

US. The US Supreme Court declared the mask mandates on flights to be out of the CDC scope of practice. Launched by Desantis and latched onto by other republican governors. It's politics, not safety.

[SkinnyPupp]

Are we talking about BC or USA? I haven't watched the news a ton but I don't recall judges removing our mask mandates?
Trump's judge struck down the mandate for masks on buses and planes in the US. Canada followed suit for flights to the US, but is keeping them for flights within Canada.

Canada is still following science. The US is not... And this isn't a "hardliner" or "covid denier" thing either, because China is more hardline than anyone and they aren't following science either. It's all about politics in certain countries. Canada is probably one of the most reasonable on the entire planet.

[Hondaracer]

Sounds like the judges were following the science behind filtration and transmission?

So now there’s some weird lifelong grudge against republicans and judges you probably know nothing about other than their relation to a party clouding your judgement on rulings simply upholding existing laws within a different country? I see.. this continuous obsession some people seem to have with trump is really weird..not healthy.

The ruling however seems quite reasonable in the grander scope of things in terms of mask mandates.

So in Canada, where I think virtually all of us here have been following the guidance of Bonny Henry and Dix for the last two and a half years, “Doing our part” at basically every ask, when the health authorities we take as gospel start saying we don’t need to use masks anymore…we’re now assholes because we aren’t going out of our way to go BEYOND the people we’ve trusted this entire time? Right..

[westopher]

I don't know if your trying to put words in my mouth, but I assume you aren't talking to me here. I'll clarify regardless. When Canada says no more masks, I'd trust that, but I also had, and have the ability to understand the value masks have provided in enclosed areas. The filtration and air purification means I'm not gonna be in the 8th row and get Covid from someone in the 23rd row, the mask means I'm less likely to get it from (or give it to) someone in the 8th row. And yeah, my grudge against the republicans and the judges they have put in place are pretty founded by their actions, past and current over the course of the pandemic, covid related and otherwise.

[SkinnyPupp]

Imagine thinking that people critical of US Republicans and Trump in particular do so only out of some sort of "grudge" or "obsession"

jfc

[68style]

Haha not afraid to admit I have a grudge against Trump, always have, even before he was ever political I hated that mf’er… but there’s a different thread for that :)

[Hondaracer]

I don't know if your trying to put words in my mouth, but I assume you aren't talking to me here. I'll clarify regardless. When Canada says no more masks, I'd trust that, but I also had, and have the ability to understand the value masks have provided in enclosed areas. The filtration and air purification means I'm not gonna be in the 8th row and get Covid from someone in the 23rd row, the mask means I'm less likely to get it from (or give it to) someone in the 8th row. And yeah, my grudge against the republicans and the judges they have put in place are pretty founded by their actions, past and current over the course of the pandemic, covid related and otherwise.

No it wasn’t towards you.

So I guess my follow up to your post here however is when will you feel comfortable in not having that mask on a plane scenario play out?

It might be too broad of a question but under what circumstance are you not worried about having a mask to wear?

[Gumby]

Hondaracer posted some links from Transport Canada/IATA about COVID transmission on aircraft. Keep in mind that these sources want you to travel; they have everything to lose if travel was made even more difficult. Whereas the epidemiologist blog Mikoyan posted, this person has no connection to the travel industry. They are more likely to provide unbiased information.

Markymark mentioned "Personal risk assessments are the key words here" and I agree 100%. The point I'm trying to make is this: Do what you are comfortable with, but also take into consideration others around you.

For example, I work at UBC and masks are still required in indoor public areas until June 30th. Technically, my office is not open to the public, so masks are optional. I don't wear a mask when I'm in my cubicle, and neither do my immediate neighbours. When we talk openly, we try to keep our distance. However, I have another colleague ~30 feet away, and I always see him wearing a mask. So when I go talk to him, I put on my mask because that probably makes him feel more at ease.

[Hondaracer]

Absolutely.

[westopher]

No it wasn’t towards you.

So I guess my follow up to your post here however is when will you feel comfortable in not having that mask on a plane scenario play out?

It might be too broad of a question but under what circumstance are you not worried about having a mask to wear?
I’m fine either way TBH. I had a gnarly sinus infection the last week or so and thought it somehow magically was covid again, and I admit it definitely made me feel a little more cautious thinking I could get it again in a short period. Once I found out it wasn’t covid, I wore a mask and went on about my life as much as I could based on my energy level which was fuckin shot.
Maybe I’m being arrogant, but I don’t trust 50% of the general public to do the same. The same being test, confirm it isn’t covid, stay home, wear a mask, etc.
It’s kinda like the speed limit. You have to set them based on the cracked out guy in the shitbox Corolla that hasn’t changed his brake fluid in 37 years, when I’d feel perfectly comfortable if the speed limit was 30km/h higher in most places if dipshits like this didn’t exist.

[JD¹³]

Skinny your fail warms my myocardiatic heart :heartsmile:

[EvoFire]

You guys need to move this shit to fight club or something?

[SkinnyPupp]

You guys need to move this shit to fight club or something?
Nah we're going back and forth on an interesting and important topic... I do wish honda would stop putting words in peoples' mouths though, and discontinue going on about "tribes" and "grudges".

There's only one person trying to shit up the thread, and that's our own Joe Rogan.. Covid obviously changes people, and I don't want to make light of mental health issues... It affected me both physically and mentally, so I get it. But I wish we could get along better.. discuss, disagree, and learn each way.

[sdubfid]

I’m fine either way TBH. I had a gnarly sinus infection the last week or so and thought it somehow magically was covid again, and I admit it definitely made me feel a little more cautious thinking I could get it again in a short period. Once I found out it wasn’t covid, I wore a mask and went on about my life as much as I could based on my energy level which was fuckin shot.
Maybe I’m being arrogant, but I don’t trust 50% of the general public to do the same. The same being test, confirm it isn’t covid, stay home, wear a mask, etc.
It’s kinda like the speed limit. You have to set them based on the cracked out guy in the shitbox Corolla that hasn’t changed his brake fluid in 37 years, when I’d feel perfectly comfortable if the speed limit was 30km/h higher in most places if dipshits like this didn’t exist.

The driver of the 37 year old Corolla must be skilled if their car is still in one piece after so long with no reverse camera, abs, and managing to merge with 80hp.

[68style]

Fun fact: someone at work today on a chat asked a question that was obviously antivax / covid denial based and their name was Joe Rogan.

I assumed they had found a way to edit the “Anonymous” field and put the name in for fun, but I looked them up and wow that really is their name. What a coincidence lol…

[hud 91gt]

If you go back 2 years we talked about transmission on airplanes. The amount of filtration and airflow is really good. But there is no denying if your negative 6 inches apart, and someone coughs or sneezes, your getting all the snizz.

I can’t see Canada getting rid of masks on planes anytime soon. It does seem more political to me then anything. But if the public gets angry enough, the restriction will be gone I’m sure.

[Great68]

These are judges making some of these rulings, not health officials.. They are literally overturning the rules put in place by health officials, because of politics and not science. And other lawmakers try to keep up. Judges, by the way, who were put in place by people who I absolutely disagree with on most things (and I think you would too)

This is a completely different argument and yes I would totally agree, health policies should be determined by health professionals, not politicians or lawyers (judges) unless those politicians or lawyers hold some sort of relevant medical accreditation. (IE a politician who used to be an ophthalmologist really has no relevance to be speaking towards respiratory viruses)

But I try not to concern myself or get upset about what's going on in other countries like the USA. All that matters to me is what our health officials here say.

[SkinnyPupp]

This is a completely different argument and yes I would totally agree, health policies should be determined by health professionals, not politicians or lawyers (judges) unless those politicians or lawyers hold some sort of relevant medical accreditation. (IE a politician who used to be an ophthalmologist really has no relevance to be speaking towards respiratory viruses)

But I try not to concern myself or get upset about what's going on in other countries like the USA. All that matters to me is what our health officials here say.
Right, but if you recall this all started when people started saying they want Canada to follow USA's lead in striking down mask mandates in cramped and crowded public transportation scenarios... If they do, that's that. But it doesn't seem like they're going to at this point.

[Great68]

Well, I mean it does seem counterintuitive or conflicting that our provincial health officials say it's now perfectly fine to ride a crowded bus or skytrain to the airport maskless, but once your inside that airport the federal health officials say you have to mask up...

Doesn't it?

[westopher]

Perfectly fine =/= we strongly suggest you still wear a mask but don’t require you to because we know that you’re sick of it and might cause a problem over it.

[SkinnyPupp]

Well, I mean it does seem counterintuitive or conflicting that our provincial health officials say it's now perfectly fine to ride a crowded bus or skytrain to the airport maskless, but once your inside that airport the federal health officials say you have to mask up...

Doesn't it?
Yes, very

Most likely they removed the bus and skytrain rules for reasons that have nothing to do with science

[Great68]

Ah, so that's back to my original comment. I have faith and believe our BC Health officials are looking at the data and making the correct decisions based on that or things would still be mandated.
If you think the decisions are politically motivated, then you're removing all credibility of our health officials.

[SkinnyPupp]

Ah, so that's back to my original comment. I have faith and believe our BC Health officials are looking at the data and making the correct decisions based on that or things would still be mandated.
If you think the decisions are politically motivated, then you're removing all credibility of our health officials.
Why else do you think the rules are, as you put it, counterintuitive or straight up conflicting?

Science should be intuitive and non conflicting..

[Great68]

So then who's right? Which side is more politically charged?

[westopher]

If you think the decisions are politically motivated, then you're removing all credibility of our health officials.


I don’t agree with that at all. They are reading public reaction to their rules and suggestions with the understanding that an angry, spiteful public will make it far more difficult to impose or suggest any health restrictions moving forward.
It’s an understanding that you can only disrupt public life so substantially for so long before the pushback makes people cut off their nose to spite their face, especially in todays political climate where people seem to value freedom over quality of life in many aspects.
Although I don’t believe that necessarily makes it politically motivated. It’s an important look at the psychology of making things most effective.

[SkinnyPupp]

So then who's right? Which side is more politically charged?
Not sure what you mean by who is right? Who as in who?

Maybe Westopher is on the right track, and this is being done mostly to prevent bus drivers and passengers from getting spit on or physically assaulted. Maybe the truckers won after all? I have no idea

[Great68]

I don’t agree with that at all. They are reading public reaction to their rules and suggestions with the understanding that an angry, spiteful public will make it far more difficult to impose or suggest any health restrictions moving forward.
It’s an understanding that you can only disrupt public life so substantially for so long before the pushback makes people cut off their nose to spite their face, especially in todays political climate where people seem to value freedom over quality of life in many aspects.
Although I don’t believe that necessarily makes it politically motivated. It’s an important look at the psychology of making things most effective.



One can certainly hold that opinion. I do not, and say it's not politically motivated or our that would just remove all confidence in our health professionals. All along the messaging that we got from our BC officials is that people not following the order were idiots, that this province was not going to be looking at other provinces or the federal government to make its decisions and plot it's own course. It would be quite the about-face if at the end of it all they just decided to cave to public pressure.
Unless you can produce actual evidence that what you say is what led the decisions they made... Maybe there's a tape of a heated discussion between Horgan and Henry on this decision, and Hulk comes out "Dammit Bonnie, people can't handle this any longer, this is how it's going to be".

[Great68]

Not sure what you mean by who is right? Who as in who?


The federal side or the provincial side

[MarkyMark]

Well if hospitals were still completely maxed out would they have removed mask mandates just because people are upset about masks? I doubt it. I imagine someone with more information than us looked at the numbers and made a decision that isn't likely to affect the health of most citizens.

[westopher]

No they wouldn’t of, of course. They look at reasonable concessions to make, and make them. There is obviously a risk assessment involved.
It’s not black and white yes or no question. You balance decisions on multiple factors. If it was just safe or unsafe, they’d say yes or no, not, yes with caveats and suggested courses of action.

[MarkyMark]

I do believe their choices have been dictated more by science than public pressure. It's all risk assessment, and the risk just isn't what it used to be. I can't imagine they just decided to say fuck it based on a random bus attack.

I had more support for masks when it was mandated everywhere. At least then it made sense, if you're around people you're wearing a mask. This whole "mask here, no mask here" phase we've entered just seems sloppy, and I can't imagine it's working too well to slow the spread of a highly contagious virus.

[SumAznGuy]

Well if hospitals were still completely maxed out would they have removed mask mandates just because people are upset about masks? I doubt it. I imagine someone with more information than us looked at the numbers and made a decision that isn't likely to affect the health of most citizens.

Alberta did that last summer and pretty much declared covid over just as the science was showing Delta infections were starting to increase.

I believe every decision is politically/financially motivated. Not for what's best for the people, but what minimizes financial loses, not letting the medical system crash, while staying in people good books and hopefully get re-elected on the next election.

[westopher]

All I’m really trying to say, is public support is also part of the science.

[68style]

Ask anyone in Alberta if Jason Kenny was making decisions based on science or re-election chances lol

Canadian version of Ted Cruz... who is also sort of Canadian, embarrassingly enough

[Hondaracer]

With how “poorly” Alberta handled the whole thing they saw only 1000 more deaths than BC through the entire thing.

While people will go off about that being significant, I’d say over a 2 year period it’s not that bad considering restrictions were essentially lifted twice as often as other places.

Quebec has double the population of Alberta yet they had almost 3.5 times as many deaths as Alberta. No one seems to bring up Quebec who also seemed to have more severe restrictions etc. did they do a “good” job?

[westopher]

Lol Alberta’s restrictions were way harsher than ours most of the time but they went with a model of massive restrictions followed by none. 25% more deaths, 30% less population, indoor dining closed for months on end. They did an objectively much worse job of handling it.
Quebec did an absolutely garbage job as well. Same model as Alberta. That plays well into my theory of taking public opinion into consideration as well. Nobody would tolerate what was happening in Quebec with the absolute bullshit restrictions like curfews. That’s why everyone was just hanging out with other people in their homes with no consideration for the rules and driving infections.

[Hondaracer]

Than BC, yes.

BC basically walked this tightrope and it worked out. I’ll give them credit for it

[68style]

1000 more deaths with 700,000 less population is a lot... and they also had way MORE restrictions than us at times to clamp back down on being stupid lifting things too early a couple times.

Basically 1000 more people died so Kenney could get some votes.

Even when he had to hammer restrictions back on worse than BC's, he blamed it totally on his version of Bonnie Henry (sorry I forgot her name)... that poor woman ate so much shit for him.

[mikemhg]

Just came back from Phoenix yesterday, boy it was refreshing.

I'm out of the loop here, you guys still arguing about masks? :lol

TSA has scrapped their mandates, along with most companies (Uber days ago).

It's a moot point now. I can acknowledge I was very much on the left when it came to COVID mandates back in 2020, my opinion has evolved over time -- it's a shame that some of us have attached our own identity to the subject as an extension of one's self, that rigidity some are carrying begets common sense at this point.

[Gumby]

To me (this part is important, as everybody is different), common sense dictates that I should wear a mask in a variety of situations. Yes, it can be a hassle, but I don't find it uncomfortable, so why not decrease the chance (even by the tiniest bit) of me passing germs to others, or others passing germs to me?

Kind of like wearing a seatbelt. Besides the chance of getting a no seatbelt ticket, why do you wear a seatbelt? How likely are you going to get into a severe accident?

Edit: I’ll concede that mask vs seatbelt is a bad comparison.

[MarkyMark]

No seatbelt and a bad accident is for going to fuck you up or kill you. No mask and catching Covid at this point I'm most likely getting a runny nose if I even have any symptoms at all. Not the best comparison.

[GS8]

I just wear a portable airbag when I'm pushing dat samosa and tadka filled buggy around the Newton Walmart

:accepted:

[Hondaracer]

I’d say it’s more akin to wearing a helmet while driving as opposed to your seatbelt.

[J____]

That's fucking hilarious

The news here has been:

Govt plans to do universal testing over 9 days. Everyone tested 3 times, then RAT daily, and positives go into isolation

China wants them to do full lockdown during this time. What this means, nobody knows, but most likely it'd basically be like a typhoon lockdown, something we do 1-3 times a year. Grocery stores, pharmacies, etc would remain open.

Govt leaked these 2 stories with 2 different dates to the press (March 17 and March 27), and people lost their shit and started panic buy. Most grocery stores were cleared out of fresh and frozen food. Still lots of canned food and snacks and rice. We had to buy frozen chicken breasts for instance LUL

Experts have been saying universal testing is pointless during the peak, they already missed their shot at it having any effect. They'd essentially find over a million positives and tell them to stay home.

So the universal test is on hold for now, but they may use it to kill off the wave once it starts to die on its own. Experts keep saying it's pointless except in specific scenarios, but China really wants them to appear as if they're doing something. They still do building lockdowns, and when they do they find between 10-20% of the residents are positive.

They are still building isolation facilities, a new one in a shipping port with thousands of isolation pods that look like prison cells (complete with barred windows)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMqZel6agAUz1mO.jpg


Man oh man, after more than a month in Shanghai lock down, looking at your old post makes that cell seem like heaven haha. It was and still is an absolute shit show. Unbelievable how political opposition and turmoil can turn a "world class" mega city into a shit show. Everyday you'd see and experience shit that you would not imagine can ever happen. Just yesterday the morgue went to a retirement home and hauled away a old woman, she was all covered and zipped up, then while loading into the truck one of the retirement home workers realized she was still alive and moving haha. They then bring her back out and back into the home... A lot of the quarantine places are nasty AF and impossible to get rest as you are all sealed up with hundreds of people in a communal room, all snoring, lights always on, no showers. Even with that a lot of people in the early weeks was begging to go because they couldn't get any food to feed themselves. It's so crazy...

[quasi]

I got back from Vegas yesterday, was starting to feel run down, getting winded from 1 set of stairs. Tested when I got home, positive. Who would have thunk playing poker in a room with 5,000 other people. Feel worse today for sure.

I wonder what percentage of people at WSOP end up with it? Over/under 25% ? Less than 2% masked would be my guess if you're curious.

[MarkyMark]

I mean at this point if you're going out daily or traveling you've accepted that you're going to get Covid or you've probably already had it.

[pastarocket]

Breaking news:

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/canada-end-random-covid-tests-border?fbclid=IwAR2s1l3kK2gLAmXN49DY5CVIo_IbPuo41v hXSzll1rGZqcrQUl3mtt3w_AQ&mibextid=vgW32m&fs=e&s=cl

-federal government announced Friday it’s suspending random COVID-19 testing of international arrivals at all airports.

The program is being suspended from Saturday, June 11 until Saturday, June 30 — when current federal COVID-19 rules are set to expire.

In addition, COVID-19 testing for unvaccinated travellers won’t happen at the airport as of July 1, it will happen off-site.

In a news release, the Ministry of Transport billed the changes as something that would speed up wait times at Canada’s congested airports.

Finally, the feds are doing something to reduce the wait times for passengers at airports haha.


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[JDMDreams]

Go home Coronas it's monkey pox avian flu time :pokerface:

[Great68]

A few weeks ago we had norovirus run through the household. (Went through kid's daycare, then kid brought it home and it hit us).

Now THAT was fucking horrible. Couldn't even hold down a piece of bread in two days. Dry heaving over the toilet thinking "Fuck you stomach you're fucking empty!"

[Hondaracer]

Suspending those arrival tests isn’t going to do anything for the delays. That’s not where the delays happen.

[hud 91gt]

Suspending those arrival tests isn’t going to do anything for the delays. That’s not where the delays happen.

Maybe if security hires the lab testers? Lol


Just because you travel doesn’t mean you’ll get it.

My 8.5 month pregnant wife is just recovering from it. I travel for a living. Apparently I still haven’t had it. She’s about as cautious as they come… and I’m…. Not? Lol.

[pastarocket]

Suspending those arrival tests isnÂ’t going to do anything for the delays. ThatÂ’s not where the delays happen.

Yeah, I agree with you. The delays are related to a shortage of staff screening passengers at departure terminals in all Canadian airports.

There was recent news about CATSA hiring more than 850 people as screening agents.

Those new staff won't start working until they finish their training.

Meanwhile, some screening agents who are working at airports now would taking the time off from work during the summer. The 850+ new staff would just back fill for the screening agents who are not at work.

What is happening now at airports is another prime example of the short sightedness of our government. You would think that CATSA would anticipate a big increase in people taking flights for vacation after the past few years, by hiring more screening agents well before this summer.

[hud 91gt]

Yeah, I agree with you. The delays are related to a shortage of staff screening passengers at departure terminals in all Canadian airports.

There was recent news about CATSA hiring more than 850 people as screening agents.

Those new staff won't start working until they finish their training.

Meanwhile, some screening agents who are working at airports now would taking the time off from work during the summer. The 850+ new staff would just back fill for the screening agents who are not at work.

What is happening now at airports is another prime example of the short sightedness of our government. You would think that CATSA would anticipate a big increase in people taking flights for vacation after the past few years, by hiring more screening agents well before this summer.
I think that’s a pretty rough thing to say.

The airlines themselves are having staffing issues. I don’t think these screening jobs are very high paying jobs. Generally speaking, it seems the average intelligence of a screening officer is pretty low. I don’t want to say all of them… but it’s a thing. No one is able to find low wage workers at this point. Add some sort of “security training,” governed by Transport Canada, and you just asking for delays. Lol

[Gumby]

It's not official yet, but it's expected that the US will lift COVID testing requirements for air travelers entering the country, as of Sunday June 12th. That is, those traveling to the U.S. will no longer need a negative COVID-19 test one day before their flight to the country.

[Hondaracer]

All the vaccine passport shit etc. is a huge backlog and creates totally unnecessary waits.

I’ve flown 4 times during Covid and in the peak it was fine because no one was really travelling. On a recent trip to Mexico in March it seemed like more than half did not have the proper paperwork to he travelling, everyone had to register and aquire the stupid federal vaccine passport while waiting in line.. created hugeeeee delays. Scrap that shit already ffs.

Most airports in the world now are all going maskless, no vaccine passport etc. swear Canada does shit intentionally to dissuade leisure travel.

[pastarocket]

I think that’s a pretty rough thing to say.

The airlines themselves are having staffing issues. I don’t think these screening jobs are very high paying jobs. Generally speaking, it seems the average intelligence of a screening officer is pretty low. I don’t want to say all of them… but it’s a thing. No one is able to find low wage workers at this point. Add some sort of “security training,” governed by Transport Canada, and you just asking for delays. Lol

You make good points. I work with a colleague who also works for Air Canada.
She knows some of the screening agents at YVR.

The pay is definitely low for those agents.

[Qmx323]

These jobs are now and have had been competing with all these "boss-less" gig apps, which to be fair to end up paying alright compared to the work.

On top of that there is stuff like taskrabbit and etc that have more skilled gig opportunities.

[whitev70r]

Why do you think most of the screeners are immigrants?

Low pay.

[inv4zn]

so I was at YVR today dropping off some visitors. Their flight was 1pm, and they were like "we have Air Canada priority, so our check-in will be short, we'll get there by 11am." We were like no, so we get there at 9:50am.

The regular international AC line is quite crowded, but we get shown to the priority line a bit further down, and there's about 7 people ahead of my friends. So they're like "See, told you so".

Well, it took them an hour and 10 minutes to get checked in. Literally one person, and they were the slowest worker I've ever seen. In their defense there was apparently an unvaccinated woman yelling at the desk person because the government of her destination country won't let her in, and therefore they weren't allowing her to board.

Funny enough the actual security gates seemed pretty not crowded.

[Bouncing Bettys]

It's comical at this point.
https://twitter.com/DrEliDavid/status/1535568625893007361

https://twitter.com/realmonsanto/status/1536108447871139840

https://twitter.com/JustinTrudeau/status/1536365897358745600

[Hondaracer]

Every shot outside of Canada is maskless. When he went to Ukraine etc. crying at the EU parliament, all maskless.

Do as I say, not as I do.

[68style]

Not that I see much reason to mask up anymore, but doesn't it make sense when every single person attending something is screened for vaccinations etc?

[Hondaracer]

So you think he flies with a mask on? Like the rest of his subjects

I know it’s confirmation bias but the only people I know who have had Covid multiple times are double vaxxed and boosted lol..while the unvaxxed people I know almost all have not had Covid.

His diagnosis also comes in a convenient time as the enquiry into the emergencies act is circling around him

[Gumby]

So you think he flies with a mask on? Like the rest of his subjects

I know it’s confirmation bias but the only people I know who have had Covid multiple times are double vaxxed and boosted lol..while the unvaxxed people I know almost all have not had Covid.

His diagnosis also comes in a convenient time as the enquiry into the emergencies act is circling around him
Maybe I'm pointing out the obvious, and this isn't a knock against either group, but many vaccinated/boosted people are out doing stuff in public, so that's why they have or have had COVID. Meanwhile, perhaps the unvaccinated have not had COVID because they are still avoiding the general public.

[Hondaracer]

Nope, outside of the restrictions that were forced upon them all those people I know who are unvaxxed are now going to weddings with hundreds of people, casinos, events etc and have been since the vax passport was removed. Never caught it at its most contagious.

And lol..ducking Trudeau just had Covid in January.. and now again 5 months later?..

So his message there amounts to, you’ve had THREE vaccines in the last year and you’re still getting infected TWICE within 5 months…

[underscore]

while the unvaxxed people I know almost all have not had Covid.

That they know of.

No offense, but how do you still not get what "asymptomatic" means and how vaccines work?

[Great68]

That they know of.

No offense, but how do you still not get what "asymptomatic" means and how vaccines work?

I'm going to think that someone stubborn enough not to get a vaccine, is also not going to visit a testing center even if they had symptoms.

[donk.]

Unvaxed people would never admit getting covid

Because then covid would exist

cue the X Files theme song

[Gumby]

I'm going to think that someone stubborn enough not to get a vaccine, is also not going to visit a testing center even if they had symptoms.
I think the point underscore was trying to make is that the unvaccinated person might have had COVID, except they were asymptomatic so they didn't even know they had it.

In addition, he mentioned "how vaccines work", so I think he's referring to herd immunity - i.e. most people are now vaccinated and do not have the virus, so if the unvaccinated were to hang out with the same people, there's less chance of catching the virus.

[Hondaracer]

That they know of.

No offense, but how do you still not get what "asymptomatic" means and how vaccines work?

https://i.imgur.com/YkSmoNj.jpg

[donk.]

Oh hoooondaracer, why you gotta stir the pot like that, don't you know people can't handle it on the e-web

[Presto]

Just came back from a cruise with my family. My sister and her 2 yr old got COVID while on the cruise. Her husband and their 4 year old tested negative. They had to split up and go into isolation on the last day of the voyage. My wife and I tested negative along with my mom and dad. Prior to boarding, every passenger including children had to get tested for COVID.

The isolated passengers were the last to be let off the ship, and transport back home was provided by the cruise company.

Didn't care to go on the cruise, and I don't ever care to go again.

[underscore]

I think the point underscore was trying to make is that the unvaccinated person might have had COVID, except they were asymptomatic so they didn't even know they had it.

In addition, he mentioned "how vaccines work", so I think he's referring to herd immunity - i.e. most people are now vaccinated and do not have the virus, so if the unvaccinated were to hang out with the same people, there's less chance of catching the virus.

I was referring to how they're intended to reduce severity of symptoms, not prevent you from getting it at all, but you guys raise good points too. They're somewhat being covered by the vaccinated and even then I doubt many of the unvaxxed will get tested or admit to having it. They just had a cough and fever few days but it totally wasn't COVID. No sir. Definitely some totally different thing.

At this point I'm assuming Honda is just being deliberately obtuse, but maybe I'm giving too much credit there.

[Gumby]

Just came back from a cruise with my family. My sister and her 2 yr old got COVID while on the cruise. Her husband and their 4 year old tested negative. They had to split up and go into isolation on the last day of the voyage. My wife and I tested negative along with my mom and dad. Prior to boarding, every passenger including children had to get tested for COVID.

The isolated passengers were the last to be let off the ship, and transport back home was provided by the cruise company.

Didn't care to go on the cruise, and I don't ever care to go again.
Assuming this was your first time, sucks that it was ruined by COVID.

Pre-pandemic, I used to love going on cruises as everything (well, regular food/beverage, lodging, and entertainment) is paid for and you wake up in a new city every morning. The kids programs are usually well run so they can be occupied if you choose as well. But I'm not going on a cruise anytime soon.

[68style]

When was the last time hondaracer raced a Honda?

[Hondaracer]

Hmm maybe 06? Lol

[SkinnyPupp]

So vaccines actually cause covid now?

[donk.]

^^^

They have been causing covid since we all got chickenpox in elementary school, then we were given a second/third dose of covid when we got polio and measles, this was all the 20-40 year plan of the government, all tied in with the 911 tower controlled demolitions, followed by the great reset that's underway due to the current economic downfalls, thanks to Joe biden, who walked into trump's trap, that he has been setting for the last 4 years, without trump in office, unfortunately the moon landing would have never been staged in Hollywood in July of 1969, because trumps dad actually wrote the original conspiracy theory of JFKs death a year prior to 1963. If you are still reading this far in, then me and you both know global warming was invented for political finance reasons and the earth is still actually flat, almost as flat as those RFID chips that were injected into us in elementary school with the polio vaccines, hence why parents always knew where we were as kids, and finally today the vaccine updated the latest software in the RFIDs. The government picks who gets covid and who is an asymptomatic herd super spreader.
Cue china still being in lockdown (supreme government vs Canada)

[68style]

So vaccines actually cause covid now?

Haven't you heard? You get the vaccines and having those dead covid cells in your body acts like magnets for other hungry covid cells looking to avenge the death of their bretherin and they attack 10x harder than they would a defenseless body. It's called the magneto effect. No surprise that Jeff Bezos looks kind of like Magneto, because billionare.

[iwantaskyline]

Everyone in my social circle has tested positive for Covid recently yet I'm still somehow okay lol. Went to the Canada vs Curacao game and 3 of my buddies were positive after a day but I'm still good...

[SkinnyPupp]

Everyone in my social circle has tested positive for Covid recently yet I'm still somehow okay lol. Went to the Canada vs Curacao game and 3 of my buddies were positive after a day but I'm still good...
Maybe you got lucky and the vaccine didn't actually work!

[Presto]

Canada dropping vaccine mandate for domestic and outbound international travel as of June 20 (https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/canada-dropping-vaccine-mandate-for-domestic-and-outbound-international-travel-as-of-june-20-1.5946009)


The Canadian government is dropping the requirement that domestic and outbound international travellers be fully vaccinated against COVID-19, effective June 20. However, all re-entry requirements will remain in effect, and all passengers will continue to have to wear face masks.

This change will allow unvaccinated Canadians to board planes and trains heading to either domestic or international locations, but they will still be required to follow the current testing and quarantine requirements upon re-entry from international destinations.

Further, "due to the unique nature of cruise ship travel," the vaccination requirements for passengers and crew of cruise ships will remain in effect.

The requirement to use the ArriveCAN app to show proof of vaccination upon arrival to avoid a federal quarantine will continue, and all travellers will have to continue to abide by other country's entry requirements, potentially limiting the destinations unvaccinated travellers will be able to visit. Many countries, including the U.S., continue to require proof of vaccination upon entry.

Intergovernmental Affairs Minister Dominic LeBlanc, Transport Minister Omar Alghabra, Treasury Board President Mona Fortier, and Health Minister Jean-Yves Duclos made the announcement on Tuesday, alongside major updates to Canada’s vaccine mandates for transportation workers, and federal employees.

In revealing the updated policies, government says the mandates have been effective through the thick of the pandemic, but were never meant to be permanent. Though, should case counts climb again, federal officials say they won’t hesitate to reinstate any suspended COVID-19 travel restrictions.

The Canadian government says this move is coming now "following a successful vaccination campaign." Nearly 90 per cent of eligible Canadians are vaccinated against COVID-19.

"The decision today is not based on something that we woke up yesterday or this morning, and decided to do. We've done our homework… What got us [to] today was a period of discussions, of consultations, of looking at the big picture, of preparing ourselves for a potential wave in the fall, but [also] the current situation today," Alghabra said. "It's clear that the COVID situation is not the same now as it was last fall when we implemented the vaccine mandate."

The federal mandates requiring all passengers on planes or trains to be fully vaccinated against COVID-19 before boarding were first promised by the Liberals during the last federal election, and came into effect in October 2021.

In recent months, pressure has been mounting for the government to lift the travel vaccination requirements from opposition politicians and the travel industry, citing the significant strains and delays at Canadian airports, as well as the easing provincial public health rules.

Throughout these calls, the Liberals have defended the mandates, repeatedly referring to the need to follow the science and advice of public health officials.

On Tuesday, ministers said that the federal government’s “top priority” remains keeping Canadians safe, and that this decision is not related to easing the strain at Canadian airports, which they attribute to "staffing shortages."

Rather, the ministers cited the virus' evolution, the current epidemiological and modelling projections, and the high vaccination rate in Canada as key factors in lifting the mandates now.

With the policy change likely prompting even more of an influx in travellers descending on Canadian airports, the transport minister faced several questions about whether the government is equipped to adequately handle the added crowds. He said work continues with the Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA) to "increase efficiencies."

Last week the government halted its mandatory random testing of vaccinated travellers at airports, but maintained the requirement for any unvaccinated travellers to be swabbed.

In order to be considered fully vaccinated under the federal policy, people have had to show proof of a full vaccination series, but not a booster dose, despite calls from public health officials to make a third dose part of the requirement to better protect against severe illness and to shore-up waning immunity.

On Tuesday, Duclos said the Omicron variant has made it evident that two doses "are no longer enough," though the government is not going beyond encouraging those who have not yet received a booster dose of a COVID-19 vaccine to do so.

"Our rate of boosters in Canada is too low. It's lower than all other G7 countries, and that is not good. However, we know we can do better… and that's [what] we're going to do also in the next weeks and months with all provinces and territories, so that we are better prepared and sufficiently prepared for what… may be coming in the fall."

Reacting to the news, the National Airlines Council of Canada—which represents Canada's largest carriers, including Air Canada and WestJet—said it views the move as a "major milestone for the aviation sector, the tourism industry, and for Canadian travellers," but said it is not enough to resolve the problems at airports.

The Council is calling for immediate changes to ArriveCAN to eliminate duplicative health checks, end the mandate for inbound international travellers, and a commitment to make permanent the recent suspensions of mandates and random testing.

"The government’s decision to suspend the national vaccine mandate for air travel and transportation employees is a positive step, one that will simplify many aspects of travel and bring Canada closer to the emerging standard currently in place around the world. Airlines will work diligently to implement these changes," said the Council's interim president and CEO Suzanne Acton-Gervais in a statement.

Conservative transport critic Melissa Lantsman said that while the government has "finally" moved to end travel mandates, she said a suspension is not the same as a full elimination. "Some vaccine mandates is not all vaccine mandates. Still NO science we’ve seen to justify any mandates," she tweeted.

NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh says his team was consulted about the decision to remove these mandates before the announcement was made, given the NDP are in a confidence and supply deal with the Liberals.

"We said it's a very important factor in any decision, that we are following best evidence, and that we are letting Canadians know why certain orders are in place… And if there is no longer evidence we should no longer continue with a [public health] order," Singh said. "We supported that decision."

[whitev70r]

It sux but here we go folks .... don't shoot the messenger.

Vancouver Sun - Third Omicron Wave Has Begun
https://vancouversun.com/health/local-health/covid-19-third-omicron-has-begun-in-b-c-and-its-expected-to-grow-rapidly

[westopher]

It sux but here we go folks .... don't shoot the messenger.

B.C. confirms 3rd wave of COVID-19 has arrived, as number of patients in ICU hits record high
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/covid-19-update-april-12-1.5984289
Is this an April fools attempt?
CBC News · Posted: Apr 12, 2021 2:24 PM PT | Last Updated: April 12, 2021

[whitev70r]

^ sorry wrong link, dated article. I've edited in original. Kinda to be expected that case numbers will rise but be cautious .. that's all. I constantly know a handful of people who are Covid positive.

Excerpt from article:
The third Omicron wave has begun and is expected to increase rapidly and peak in August, says a COVID modelling expert.

“You go to the grocery store now and your risk is reasonably low. You go to the grocery store in three weeks and there is a high chance that somebody else will have COVID.”

“Every week in July that passes, COVID risk is doubling and that should help give people a sense of how much more likely they are to encounter COVID in their communities,” Otto said.

[westopher]

Yeah to be honest I feel like it's really not slowed down in my circle of friends and co workers. I always seem to know at least 2 people with it, but that said, no one out of those I know anymore is getting unmanageably sick. At the beginning it was taking people out much longer.
I think it's milder, but clearly other parts of it is that people don't care anymore. No ones going to get serious about it again, unless they are forced to.

[JDMDreams]

A lot of people I know, including myself got this sore throat, coughing thing but it's not COVID these last few weeks. So better prepare your cheeks. Wonder when they are gonna announce 4th shots/ flu shots.

[BlackV62K2]

If restrictions are enforced again, even the people that were for it before will be saying f#ck that this time around. No one wants to hear about this anymore. Yes it's still around and people are still getting it but it's no longer deadly as it once was.

[68style]

^ Agreed, I still put a mask on for the train ride (for example) just being much more conscious of all cold and flu stuff I feel like it’s just a good practice to take on some ideals that metropolitan Asian cultures have been practicing for decades to abate cold and flu spreading… but that’s about the extent of it.

I’ve donated enough of my life and efforts to this stuff.

[Hondaracer]

We will never be fully vaccinated against COVID’: Canadians may be required to get booster shot every 9 months

https://fortune.com/2022/07/05/canada-health-minister-jean-yves-duclos-says-people-nmay-eed-to-get-covid-19-booster-shot-every-9-months/amp/

[MarkyMark]

Required or recommended? The only way I'll get a booster is if I have a trip planned and I can't fly without it.

[Liquid_o2]

Meh, its like an annual flu shot. Not a big deal at all. People will turn it into a big deal though.

[Hondaracer]

It works so well, you need 4 in a calendar year

[westopher]

36 months in a year now

[MarkyMark]

Meh, its like an annual flu shot. Not a big deal at all. People will turn it into a big deal though.

Flu shot isn't a big deal because you don't have to get it, so if it's the same as that then I imagine no one will really make much of a fuss about it.

[westopher]

Flu mutates, that’s why we are supposed to get a shot once a year.
Covid mutates, what should we expect in that case? I thought it was just a flu anyways?
We wanted tools to manage it, got the tools, now people don’t like the tools. If you want to solve the problem, find some new tools I guess.

[68style]

Leeches?

I’m convinced someone told Trump to use a leech and he heard bleach and went with it while nobody dared to correct him

[SpeedStars]

Im vaxxed x3 and I believe I got the new omicron variant last week at an outdoors event. A few other people that I know also contracted the virus within a couple days of me getting it. It seems that omicron and especially the new version can easily infect you even if you are boosted up. Makes sense why Pfizer is developing a more inclusive vax that has better protection against omicron variants.

[Alpine]

Covid has turned into an endemic. Most are at least double vaxxed. Most who catch Covid are asymptomatic or shake it off in days, etc. Our health care system made it through the worst of it without crumbling. It’s basically mission accomplished.

[JDMDreams]

^^ yes until all the doctors and nurses gets it and has to stay home. We've had 3 ppl at work get covid all in the last 3 weeks. Plus other ppl calling in sick. Sure it's not ppl dying but you still get sick and it affects how a business operates. Don't bitch when restaurants are closed cuz all the staff are sick. Theres a mass outbreak at metro right now from an outbreak at the line friends pop up :pokerface:

[whitev70r]

^ yah, it's still a PIA to get it and a small % of people will deal with long term issues like fatigue, heart issues, or other mystery symptoms. Best case is get it and mild symptoms and you're done.

[inv4zn]

I was at RCH today for something unrelated, and was guided through what I have to assume is the covid isolation ward at the ER, because each 'room' looked hastily made and was obviously an afterthought for some containment.

Each room had someone on a ventilator, and out of the 5 people I saw through the peephole, only 1 looked actually old. There was also a ~week old baby with Covid that was admitted while we were there.

Me, the wife, and our toddler all got it ~3 weeks ago but we all shook it off easily, even the kid with no vaccines just spiked a fever for a day but was fine after that.

So yes, most people will not be hospitalized. But some will. And hopefully that number still stays manageable for healthcare. There's a lot of doom & gloom for the next wave, but I know a lot of people that got it recently and it seems to be manageable still.

[MG1]

Haven't heard much about results from any investigations as to how this virus got out of hand. Was it naturally occurring or man made?

Just curious. Nothing else.

[68style]

We will never really know, there's zero chance China is going to be honest or allow investigators proper access

[Traum]

We will never really know, there's zero chance China is going to be honest or allow investigators proper access
Not to mentioned that all the evidence has long been wiped clean.

Given the high degree of suspicion associated with many of the known / proven facts, my bet is the Chinese lab was definitely doing some sort of research work around the original coronavirus, but in the sloppiness / carelessness / accident, it got leaked out of containment.

[whitev70r]

Given the high degree of suspicion associated with many of the known / proven facts, my bet is the Chinese lab was definitely doing some sort of research work around the original coronavirus, but in the sloppiness / carelessness / accident, it got leaked out of containment.

I remember when Covid first started, this theory of a Chinese lab letting it out (either accidentally or intentionally) was part of the tin foil hat/conspiracy. Supposedly, it was a bat that passed it to Wuhan in a wet market.

Now this theory of it escaping from Chinese lab has emerged as the most widely accepted and credible narrative.

[MarkyMark]

I think people were considered racist for even suggesting the thought of it coming from a Chinese lab lol.

[whitev70r]

^ Of course, now the question is was it accidental or intentional? Some suggest that China leaked the virus intentionally to slow the rest of the world down in terms of economic advancement ... if that was the case, it kinda bit China in the ass as they were the 1st to feel the negative economic consequences and are still now. It appears that they, of all countries, are having one of the worst effects.

[westopher]

I would definitely assume it’s not on purpose, as if the world would have handled it better from the early onset, it only would have affected China. If they were actually trying to commit a bio attack, it would have been sent to US first

[Badhobz]

CALLING CIC !!! CALLING CIC !!!

[68style]

He is banned from this thread for very good reason

[Hondaracer]

Well if chinas goal in releasing it was to stifle their own population and keep people under their thumb I’d say it worked out pretty well

[westopher]

I think if that was the case they’d be a lot more calculated. After all, China hasn’t brought any solutions to the table, and I’m sure rich, powerful Chinese individuals have suffered from this.
All they have been able to muster up is crushing their own economic growth, and a syringe full of water that they call their own “vaccine”

[Bouncing Bettys]

Fauci was supposedly involved with gain-of-function research and funding at the Wuhan lab. If it were released on purpose, it may not have been under the instruction or awareness of the Chinese government itself.

[BlackV62K2]

When we thought COVID is ending
https://c.tenor.com/C4raGeQeBRIAAAAd/too-soon-junior.gif

[donk.]

CALLING CIC !!! CALLING CIC !!!

Calling skidz too

I'm supposto be dead by now according to him, since I filled myself with that toxic vaccine.
I wonder if i reply to his conspiracy theory pm's, he would reply.... Probably onto other forums spreading the word of the no no juice

[westopher]

Don't forget all the money you put into Fauci's pocket.

[68style]

Supposedly so rich, but still has to sit there and argue with Rand Paul almost every day

[westopher]

https://apple.news/AhATD469fTmSg7BihcS-5DQ
Fucking useless. Random testing for air travellers is back.

[MarkyMark]

What a fucking joke this has become. Those random tests don't do anything but inconvenience people.

[westopher]

Again like I said before. Covid is fucking here, we aren’t preventing it from appearing cause one dude out of 500 tested out of 5000 travellers tested has it. It’s a complete waste.

[Gumby]

So stupid... What do they hope to achieve with this random testing?

[Liquid_o2]

Just when I'm traveling to the U.S. for work for the first time in 2.5 years :okay:

[Teriyaki]

Heres what I think happened.

They (Government) signed a terribly lopsided agreement with the testing provider during the height of the pandemic. Remember, money was just being printed out and doled out like no tomorrow during this period.

They ended the contract. But now provider is coming back to say something long the lines of " hey remember that original contract? You're still gonna need to pay is xxx Millions even if we don't staff anyone or do anything" . Government goes shit. " Well we're gonna do this thing that we already paid way too much for, and we'll say we're doing something against new variants or whatever "

[whitev70r]

^ Probably. Can't blame them ... if gov't didn't do enough, people would scream. If gov't over estimated any service or things, then they are caught holding the bag.

Case in point are those rapid tests ... I think Canadian government ordered like a billion of them and initially, it was like one per adult per month, now they are giving it away like Halloween candy. But with the late summer/fall surge coming, these rapid tests will come back in handy.

[BlackV62K2]

Haven't picked up rapid tests kit since Mar and went to get a kit the other day to have one handy with the rising cases and was pulling out my driver's license for my medical number and they handed me two boxes without anything

[Hondaracer]

Hey don’t worry, it’s just like arrivecan. Just do your duty as a citizen and spend 6 hours in the lineup on each leg of your trip. Not a big deal, it’s just a random test

[JDMDreams]

I'm sure they know shits hitting the fan and they just haven't announced it yet. Or why else are they all of a sudden announcing 4 th shot best summer ever! No restrictions freedom bro

[westopher]

ArriveCAN is way less hassle than this. It’s like the menu on a QR code thing. Everyone pulling 9 hours of screen time a day and they have a meltdown about dedicating 90 seconds more.

[JDMDreams]

Arrive can is so easy just set it up once, just gotta remember your password cuz it logs you out

[MG1]

Arrive can is so easy just set it up once, just gotta remember your password cuz it logs you out

Yup............ except two weeks ago, the app asked me all kinds of questions I thought I had answered before. I started off exactly the same way. I mean I've used ArriveCAN every week sometimes twice a week since the border reopened. Anyway, long story short, now when I log in, I have two identical accounts. Like WTF? As soon as this happened, the first time I crossed back, I got the random test kit. Last Monday, it was like nothing happened. I ask the border guard if there was a record of my test results. He confirmed it was on the profile.

As I posted before, the test is pretty easy. Register, then don't make any appointments. Call a Shoppers Drug Mart that offers the swab service and go. I was told to just come in that day. Results took just over a day. No cost involved.

[Hondaracer]

ArriveCAN is way less hassle than this. It’s like the menu on a QR code thing. Everyone pulling 9 hours of screen time a day and they have a meltdown about dedicating 90 seconds more.

Lol how is this possibly less hassle? The random testing is like 1 person per flight in my experience

[westopher]

Have you had a fuckin random test? I have, and it was a fuck of a lot more of my time wasted than the 90 seconds I spent on a 2 day trip uploading a photo. Do you need me to show you how to work the VCR too?

[68style]

They're both totally pointless at this juncture.

The only people I can think of who would support ArriveCAN right now are like parents with kids who find it easier to keep all the documents stored in 1 place rather than carrying paper copies around and losing shit.

I am constantly across the border and I'm getting pretty tired of pointlessly clicking through the menus and guessing my re-crossing time for absolutely no actual purpose that I can see. Yah it's simple and takes like 2 minutes or less but it's also super stupid.

[Hondaracer]

Have you had a fuckin random test? I have, and it was a fuck of a lot more of my time wasted than the 90 seconds I spent on a 2 day trip uploading a photo. Do you need me to show you how to work the VCR too?

You were the one unlucky one, sucks. But everyone has to use the arrivecan app. What slows everything down isn’t the app itself, it’s people who don’t understand the requirement and now are filling it out at customs or don’t even have it downloaded period.

That scenario has the potential to create farrrr more headache for your average person than the random testing.

I swear this random testing being reinstated is just the govt.running out of ideas on how to solve the airport situation and now instead of enacting meaningful action you just add more deterants to travel in hopes that stems the congestion

[donk.]

Can you guys shit on each other some more please, I got a fresh bowl of popcorn for this theatre of a thread

[MG1]

Can you please stop shitting on people who shit on each other in this thread? Here, have some shit for your fresh popcorn.


sorry, just had to take a shit........... for the love of shits and giggles.


god bless

[donk.]

god bless

May our Lord and Savior always be by your side

[SkinnyPupp]

This was brought up before, but here's some even more recent data showing that Covid has basically replaced influenza (Hong Kong data)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FX2toqhaMAAaMf6.jpg

BTW peak numbers here are 740 people, to a peak of 1100 people hospitalized by influenza per month, a flashback for the "why weren't we this scared of the flu?/the flu is just as deadly" people (do they still exist?)

[BIC_BAWS]

So it turns out you don't have to report your test results anymore. But how do they collect data then? I finally got the Rona. I thought I was invincible or smt. Had 5 close calls over the years. But nope, finally got it.

I think the worst part is just the body aches and the hot/cold flashes.

Sent from my SM-G781W using Tapatalk

[Badhobz]

o shit, sounds like you got a worse version than when i got mine. mine was pretty mild, low grade fever, sore throat, runny nose and coughing. Almost like a run of the mill flu

[StaceyQ]

So it turns out you don't have to report your test results anymore. But how do they collect data then? I finally got the Rona. I thought I was invincible or smt. Had 5 close calls over the years. But nope, finally got it.

I think the worst part is just the body aches and the hot/cold flashes.

Sent from my SM-G781W using Tapatalk

Waste water testing. They're using that to track and project.

[G]

Off topic but thought I’d ask here:

Anyone have recommendations for places to get PCR testing for travel?

[inv4zn]

Off topic but thought I’d ask here:

Anyone have recommendations for places to get PCR testing for travel?

Lifelabs was cheapest a few months ago ($150 tax in I think), and they don't do the bullshit some of the other clinics do where they're like "Oh, you need a PRINTED copy? Well, that's $80 more then."

The only thing with Lifelabs is the entire process is suuuper fucking convoluted. You need to go in, make an account in Lifelabs for whomever is flying, enter ALL their info, then pay for your test. They then send you a code, which you use to book an appointment at other clinics (LD, Shoppers, etc.), but then you need to bring a requisition form that they send you by email. It took me almost an hour to do it properly, because their website is a shitshow, there are like 16 critical steps, and none of them are clear.

I am 100% certain my 60+ mom would never have been able to do it alone.

[underscore]

Where's a PCR test down there that's pretty straightforward? I've got some older relatives needing them for a cruise out of there in a couple weeks. Alternatively somewhere in Naniamo since that's where they're coming from.

[inv4zn]

Where's a PCR test down there that's pretty straightforward? I've got some older relatives needing them for a cruise out of there in a couple weeks. Alternatively somewhere in Naniamo since that's where they're coming from.

4 places in Nanaimo, try their individual websites.

https://bc.thrive.health/covid19app/resources/8775ded9-0d73-4cb8-b035-031194ec722c

[whitev70r]

What do you guys think will happen in the fall? There is prediction of uptick come fall ... and then 4th shot promo coming out. You all know how many people are testing +'ve nowadays. Any guesses?

Much of the same ... as is. Or, PHO suggestions to mask up. Or, required masking in certain public places like transit, etc.?

[Hondaracer]

3rd world places have all but given up testing so their only indicator is hospitalizations which are also generally down.

There are places in the world in winter right now obviously who don’t seem to be seeing the uptick. I highly doubt we will ever go back to any sort of public health orders. People simply won’t be following them. If you thought the passports etc. before were killing business, wait until the next time lol

If you’re vulnerable, sorry but stay home.

Btw, my wife has a colleague who’s entering this expedited nursing program at UBC which is full time, 7 days a week, for 18 months. So seems like they are at least trying to fill some voids

[SkinnyPupp]

After avoiding covid here the entire time, including several coworkers getting it, my sister went to Canada last week and got it IMMEDIATELY LUL. She's fine after a few days

In other news from this side of the world, HK is changing their insanely strict 7 day mandatory hotel quarantine to 3 days hotel + 4 days home monitoring. Still have to take a rapid test daily, and several PCR tests throughout the week. You can go to work and school during this time, but you won't be able to go into restaurants and other places that require check ins.

Having any quarantine at all is pointless now, but I guess this is better than the old way.

[whitev70r]

Btw, my wife has a colleague who’s entering this expedited nursing program at UBC which is full time, 7 days a week, for 18 months. So seems like they are at least trying to fill some voids

That and fast track nurses fully trained in other countries and bring them up to standards here in Canada and let them work.

[JDMDreams]

What Coronas it's monkey pox no wait mother fucking 18th century polio :fulloffuck:FeelsBadMan

[SSM_DC5]

Btw, my wife has a colleague who’s entering this expedited nursing program at UBC which is full time, 7 days a week, for 18 months. So seems like they are at least trying to fill some voids

Wife's colleague definitely won't be a RS baller unless the colleague has a significant other making triple. Registered nurses start at $36.23 and caps out at $47.58 after 9 years.

[westopher]

They could solve the nursing issue simply by offering proper, affordable childcare. When 70% of your workforce is women of childbearing age, it’s pretty fucking easy to see how many go on maternity leave and never go back.

[ssjGoku69]

What's the overtime rate for nurses though? I would think a lot of nurses are doing OT because of the shortage so they make a lot more, but work shitty long hours

[JDMDreams]

It's hard work man, cleaning pee poop for 12+ hours plus deal with dumbass anti maskers and anti vaxers. I know they get extra pay for night shift. But yea it's very taxing on you.

[68style]

They could solve the nursing issue simply by offering proper, affordable childcare. When 70% of your workforce is women of childbearing age, it’s pretty fucking easy to see how many go on maternity leave and never go back.

Or just make them all barren with an evil vaccine!!! No more maternity leave!!! #CiC

[mikemhg]

Nurses can make bank though.

My GF clears about $120K yearly working at VGH, with some OT (not tons, although there's lots available if you want it).

[westopher]

Everyone on RS makes 200k after taxes though so that’s a poverty wage.
My wife never picks up OT and she made like 98k last year I think?

[SSM_DC5]

Nurses can make bank though.

My GF clears about $120K yearly working at VGH, with some OT (not tons, although there's lots available if you want it).

Approximately an extra 350 hours of OT so taking an extra shift every other week.


Everyone on RS makes 200k after taxes though so that’s a poverty wage.
My wife never picks up OT and she made like 98k last year I think?

Your wife has reached the cap or really close to it with those earnings.

With the numerous calculations on these forums with wages and being able to afford to buy a place in Vancouver/Burnaby, being a nurse ain't one of those jobs that will get you there.

[westopher]

No jobs will get you there is the point.
You need
A) 2 of those jobs in a household
B) money given to you
C) to be in the top 3% of income earners in canada
You also are missing that the cap of 47.xx doesn’t include shift differential, double time or triple time for holidays, work short premium, all of when you add them up get to an extra 5-10k a year.

[EvoFire]

No one can buy a house on a single income without some help.

Even with dual income it's hard. I haven't been ashamed to say we've gotten some help with buying our house. We could however definitely afford a duplex on our own though. A house is within reach, but with our budget it wouldn't be a house we want to live in.

[CivicBlues]

^ uhm...wrong thread? How did Covid discussion turn into another RE thread? LOL


Earn 120K sitting on your butt at home writing emails and taking zoom calls for maybe 4 or 5 hours a day max. And fucking off the rest on RS.

or

Earn 120K for 10 hour shifts on your feet cleaning up shit, piss, bodily fluids, getting harassed, threats of assault, actually getting assaulted. Seeing people sick, some people die. Basically being present for the worst days of some people's lives.

I don't know about you guys but it seems like a no brainer to me. Nurses should be getting 300K minimum for the insanity they deal with.

[SSM_DC5]

^ this type of comparison is what I'm eluding to. If someone is going to go through a career change, changing to nursing isn't really a good choice.

Just the thought of every nurse in BC (using this loosely because private pays differently) earning the same wage whether they work in Vancouver or they work in Chilliwack results in the Vancouver nurse being poorer because of the cost of shelter. I'm sure plenty of nurses (or even health care workers as a whole) would rather work close to home than commute 40+ mins to work if they earn the same wage.

[EvoFire]

^ uhm...wrong thread? How did Covid discussion turn into another RE thread? LOL


Earn 120K sitting on your butt at home writing emails and taking zoom calls for maybe 4 or 5 hours a day max. And fucking off the rest on RS.

or

Earn 120K for 10 hour shifts on your feet cleaning up shit, piss, bodily fluids, getting harassed, threats of assault, actually getting assaulted. Seeing people sick, some people die. Basically being present for the worst days of some people's lives.

I don't know about you guys but it seems like a no brainer to me. Nurses should be getting 300K minimum for the insanity they deal with.

Oops, wrong place.

[mikemhg]

Not entirely true.

Nurses can make big bank if they take a contract abroad (my gf is actually in the process of facilitating that). I work from home, so it's immaterial to me.

A friend of mine quit her job at St Paul's earlier this year and took a contract at a hospital in San Antonio, TX. She's making almost $10K a week with room and board paid for. She's renting her condo out here in Vancouver and in a year will have enough to make a down payment on a bigger place in Vancouver if she chooses to do so.

That's the real concern here for our health system, too many doctors and nurses are peacing out and heading abroad for better pay. We're going through a definitive brain drain right now.

[westopher]

You guys have to understand as well, that 120k wfh jobs don’t grow on trees, where healthcare jobs, kinda do.

[MarkyMark]

Hard to compete with 10k a week lol what would our taxes have to be to cover that

[SSM_DC5]

Not entirely true.

Nurses can make big bank if they take a contract abroad (my gf is actually in the process of facilitating that). I work from home, so it's immaterial to me.

A friend of mine quit her job at St Paul's earlier this year and took a contract at a hospital in San Antonio, TX. She's making almost $10K a week with room and board paid for. She's renting her condo out here in Vancouver and in a year will have enough to make a down payment on a bigger place in Vancouver if she chooses to do so.

That's the real concern here for our health system, too many doctors and nurses are peacing out and heading abroad for better pay. We're going through a definitive brain drain right now.

If you expand to comparing nursing in other countries, then 100% you can make some decent money. But nursing in metro vancouver doesn't cut it.

You guys have to understand as well, that 120k wfh jobs don’t grow on trees, where healthcare jobs, kinda do.

My friend tells me that CPA's starting wage is now at 100k.

[SkunkWorks]

My friend tells me that CPA's starting wage is now at 100k.

No offense but your friend is smoking crack.

I'm a cpa and 100k jobs are absolutely not the norm - let alone starting.

[westopher]

It's pretty reasonable to assume, when someone tells you what they make, and it sounds high, they likely are a fucking liar.
There's a reason that median wages are lower than what every single person you know tells you they make. Because one is real and one isn't.

[winson604]

Man what a world we live in now. Turning 40 this year and growing up heck even in my late 20's early 30's the thought of making 6 figures even if it was just 100k even felt like I would have "made it" and I guess while stats for avg income would probably say it still is the reality is in Vancouver it's shit. Sigh

So back to the corona thing has everyone pretty much just moved on and living life completely pre pandemic normal? Or do you still practice certain precautions depending on the situation? Has the pandemic changed for example what you would have previously considered a crowd as not busy but now you're like fuck that's way too many people for my liking?

[SSM_DC5]

No offense but your friend is smoking crack.

I'm a cpa and 100k jobs are absolutely not the norm - let alone starting.

None taken. Friend is the one offering, but I'll try to double check the info with him as it was told me while drinking and my comprehension declines as the night goes on. FeelsBadMan

[JDMDreams]

Still wearing masks, and ppl still getting Coronas at work once every few weeks. So nothing much has changed.

[westopher]

For any normal person a whole lot has changed. Did you expect earth to eradicate the disease in 2 years? Or everyone just hides in their basement indefinitely?

[bcrdukes]

So back to the corona thing has everyone pretty much just moved on and living life completely pre pandemic normal? Or do you still practice certain precautions depending on the situation? Has the pandemic changed for example what you would have previously considered a crowd as not busy but now you're like fuck that's way too many people for my liking?

I've simply adapted to the changes based on the trends and medical advice from the public health authorities. There is no point in living in our basements forever so really, it's about finding that balance that works and is comfortable for us.

Having said that, I am still taking my precautions of wearing a mask and routine handwashing. I got my 4th booster shot the other day while on the same day, my aunt and uncle in California got COVID...for the second time. It's a bit of a no fucks given attitude in California.

I still go out and in big crowds or closed quarters, keep my mask on. We now have a "mask optional" policy at the work place but I keep my mask on when walking around but keep it off while stationary at my desk.

[winson604]

For any normal person a whole lot has changed. Did you expect earth to eradicate the disease in 2 years? Or everyone just hides in their basement indefinitely?

Neither lol though I can still recall in year one of the pandemic many people thought the vaccine is coming and by 2021 we're back to normal. Even at the time I thought that sounded insane. I kept telling people buckle up boys this is here for the long haul.

[westopher]

Sorry if it seemed my answer was directed at you. It was at happyslip 2’s incessant comments about how he’s the only person that knows what’s going on with covid and how to deal with it for about 628 pages.

[MarkyMark]

I don't really think about Covid much anymore until I'm forced to which is usually by way of some bullshit app that is doing absolutely nothing to prevent Covid.

[EvoFire]

We've mostly gone back to normal, but we avoid very crowded areas, Costco is not avoidable though.

The one big change is full time WFH. Some companies are trying to get employees back in, but I don't think it's happening. The one time I went to the office last month there was a positive case. Not going in anymore unless I really have to.

[whitev70r]

Especially if you've already had it ... I feel a higher level of invincibility for at least 1-2 months. Then apparently, you can catch it again. However, there are now reports coming out that if you catch it multiple times ... there could be more serious consequences.

[JDMDreams]

Catch till you die, #newnormal, gotta catch them all, what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger :troll:

[winson604]

Sorry if it seemed my answer was directed at you. It was at happyslip 2’s incessant comments about how he’s the only person that knows what’s going on with covid and how to deal with it for about 628 pages.

All good bruh felt no hate there.

[EvoFire]

Whoever that's thanking, ImmunoErosion, you name is hilariously apt.

[quasi]

I'm not concerned about it, if businesses want me to mask up no issue at all I'll do that but I'm not voluntarily masking up anywhere. I'm not worried about getting it, if I get it I get it.

[donk.]

Catch till you die, #newnormal, gotta catch them all, what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger :troll:

A few months ago I bumped into one of my coworkers at a supplier (he is our supreme anti vaxxer)
I walk up to him, and ask him jokingly: hey man when are you getting your 3rd booster? (Knowing he does not have any)
And instantly he responds: that depend, are you gonna get the 12th dose when the government demands you should get it?
So I reply: of course! Gotta catch em all, they are like Pokemon cards!!!

Then we both laugh and continue on with our day

[SkinnyPupp]

Especially if you've already had it ... I feel a higher level of invincibility for at least 1-2 months. Then apparently, you can catch it again. However, there are now reports coming out that if you catch it multiple times ... there could be more serious consequences.
I think I read somewhere that they're finding the immunity after getting covid to be quite a bit lower now, with all these Omicron variations. I'd have to look it up to be sure, but I think that's what was said.

[inv4zn]

So I'm looking to book a trip to Korea in Sep. or Oct., and covid is still a thing there.

Need to pay for a RAT 24 hours before flight for all passengers 5+, need to pay for a PCR within 24 hours of arriving in Korea, masks in indoor spaces, etc, for anyone 2 years or older.

Reealllly hoping some of the testing is gone by then, but Korea is one of the few countries still testing and they're at like 100k cases a day.

[GLOW]

A few months ago I bumped into one of my coworkers at a supplier (he is our supreme anti vaxxer)
I walk up to him, and ask him jokingly: hey man when are you getting your 3rd booster? (Knowing he does not have any)
And instantly he responds: that depend, are you gonna get the 12th dose when the government demands you should get it?
So I reply: of course! Gotta catch em all, they are like Pokemon cards!!!

Then we both laugh and continue on with our day

I like 2 people opposing sides can still banter and not get their panties in a knot

[GS8]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ottawa-arrivecan-criticisms-airports-wait-times-1.6548504

"Planned improvements"

Best improvement would be to ditch this garbage

[mikemhg]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ottawa-arrivecan-criticisms-airports-wait-times-1.6548504

"Planned improvements"

Best improvement would be to ditch this garbage

"Expanding".

Told ya'll they won't get rid of this process, get used to it :lol

[whitev70r]

I've used Arrivcan 2x ... sped right through customs (Nexus). You basically answer the most basic of questions that agent would have asked you anyways ... how long have you been, where did you stay, etc. So once you show up at the booth, they pull all that up ... saves a bit of time.

What's all the uproar with Arrivcan ... never thought it was that much of a hassle. Am I being tracked or something? I mean ... I'm sure they have all that info with or without Arrivcan.

[westopher]

It's just like the QR code menu thing. People just get upset because it cuts into their time on tiktok.

[MarkyMark]

"It's useless but why not just do it anyways?"

Why not speak up against it if it's bullshit?

[westopher]

I think there’s better causes out there to get wound up about, that’s why. It’s really trivial.

[MarkyMark]

Yeah but unlike a lot of other causes this one is easily fixed. You can't wave a magic wand and fix housing costs, gas prices, nursing shortages, the homeless problem... This you could get rid of tomorrow and all it would do is save people some time.

[GS8]

"Expanding".

Told ya'll they won't get rid of this process, get used to it :lol

My parents are too old to learn this app shit and don't quite fall into the 'exempt' category. If they could just wave their vax papers around like they won the lottery, they would.

[JDMDreams]

Had some none Canadians, Muricans come and use arrive can, none of them even complained. The price you pay to travel. :pokerface: first world problems

[SkinnyPupp]

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1559126575248973824

[CivicBlues]

So when the first vaccines came out they all threw out efficacy rates (95%, etc) as soon as they could.

Now these new ones are out and I'm not hearing a peep about their efficacy. Am I just not reading the right sources?

[JDMDreams]

^^ I also remember they said there's no risk to Canadians when this started in Wuhan :fulloffuck: virus can't take planes silly Canada

[CivicBlues]

umm what point are you trying to make?

WHO =/= Pfizer, Moderna

[inv4zn]

So when the first vaccines came out they all threw out efficacy rates (95%, etc) as soon as they could.

Now these new ones are out and I'm not hearing a peep about their efficacy. Am I just not reading the right sources?

I'm no expert, but I think in the beginning they were using the efficacy rates to give people a sense that it's safe (and it has shown to be so).

Then you got the variants, which dropped the efficacy rates, and then suddenly telling people it's only 40% effective doesn't sound as nice, and maybe will get people thinking "well I'm not gonna take it then".

I'm sure it's a hodgepodge of public health policy, marketing, social engineering, whatever. The new ones are supposed to be better against the Omicron variants though.

[CivicBlues]

Yeah would be nice to see some numbers instead of just "oh it's better, trust us"

[whitev70r]

We had this discussion before ... initially the efficacy rate was understood as (or implied to be) prevention rate ... which is the understanding of most vaccines. But what really happened in real life was that the vaccines reduced the severity of symptoms and (now looking back obvious) not a % to reflect prevention. But nevertheless, I much rather be out for 5-7 days with flu-like symptoms with the vaccine than risk having to go in the ICU or ventilator, etc.

[mikemhg]

It's just like the QR code menu thing. People just get upset because it cuts into their time on tiktok.

I disagree big time here, it's a massive pain in the ass for some people.

We had a family friend come visit from Ireland back in June, he's an elderly fellow that had no idea about ArriveCan.

He arrives without it completed in YVR and customs were going to slap him with a 14-day quarantine for failing to complete the app. The man is triple vaxed as well. Luckily he was able to plead his case to the officer and they gave him a pass.

But what if they didn't? What a way to waste 2 weeks of your trip simply for failing to complete a stupid process in which such information can be gathered via customs in the first place?

[westopher]

It’s for sure a pain in the ass for SOME people, but the fact remains that most of the people complaining, it isn’t a big issue for, and they really don’t give a shit about things being issues for other people.
Like the antivaxxers trying to act like they are protecting peoples rights and freedoms when they just don’t want a little needle because being told what to do hurts their feelings.

[68style]

I’ll die on a few hills in favour of mask and vaccine mandates… but ArriveCAN can go back to the fiery pits from whence it came as far as I’m concerned.

Signed,
Someone who’s had to fill it out like 40 times now

[CivicBlues]

I disagree big time here, it's a massive pain in the ass for some people.

We had a family friend come visit from Ireland back in June, he's an elderly fellow that had no idea about ArriveCan.

He arrives without it completed in YVR and customs were going to slap him with a 14-day quarantine for failing to complete the app. The man is triple vaxed as well. Luckily he was able to plead his case to the officer and they gave him a pass.

But what if they didn't? What a way to waste 2 weeks of your trip simply for failing to complete a stupid process in which such information can be gathered via customs in the first place?

How did the airline let him board in the first place? They're supposed to check if all your papers are in order before they even check you in. It's no difference if you showed up without the proper visa/passport/whatever the country needs. The airline is just as culpable for leading him on.

[CivicBlues]

We had this discussion before ... initially the efficacy rate was understood as (or implied to be) prevention rate ... which is the understanding of most vaccines. But what really happened in real life was that the vaccines reduced the severity of symptoms and (now looking back obvious) not a % to reflect prevention. But nevertheless, I much rather be out for 5-7 days with flu-like symptoms with the vaccine than risk having to go in the ICU or ventilator, etc.

That doesn't answer my question though. How are we supposed to make a quantitive judgement that the new Bivalent vaccine is better than another OG vaccine if they don't release the numbers? Even if it is Apples to Oranges numbers now, we have enough data to make a proper comparison now I'd hope.

[Great68]

I'll die on the QR code restaurant menu hill.

I fucking hate looking at menus on my phone. I always ask for paper menus, and when they don't have them I've literally walked out.

What a stupid consequence of the pandemic, all because at the beginning people thought they could catch covid from touching a piece of paper.

[winson604]

I'm in the generation of growing up on tech so I'm usually all for digital options. That said, I much prefer the physical menu over the QR code. It's just easier to scan and flipping pages than trying to do it on my phone. Sometimes it can be annoying like I might have to pinch to zoom in and shit too. It's like how some people prefer reading a physical book over newspaper I guess over doing it on a tablet or other electronic device. That said, I don't really care if the option isn't there I'm just saying given the choice I prefer hard copy.

Side note I remember my last phone (I think it was a Pixel) didn't actually have a QR reader built into the default camera like my phone does now so I had to purposely download a QR read app, first world problems.

[Mikoyan]

By the time the messaging gets to the masses it gets so dumbed to be understandable.

I've resorted to reading preprint studies. I haven't seen anything yet with the New bivalent vaccines but here's one that tested up to 2 RNA boosters and compared it from OG covid to BA5.

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20220803/Low-neutralization-of-Omicron-BA5-after-four-doses-of-mRNA-COVID-19-vaccine.aspx#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16597571799161&csi=1&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.news-medical.net%2Fnews%2F20220803%2FLow-neutralization-of-Omicron-BA5-after-four-doses-of-mRNA-COVID-19-vaccine.aspx

Conclusion: The study findings showed that four COVID-19 mRNA vaccine doses did not efficiently neutralize the SARS-CoV-2 Omicron BA.5 sublineage. However, there was sufficient vaccine-induced neutralization in the sera obtained after BA.5 breakthrough infection. The researchers believe that there is an urgent need for an updated COVID-19 vaccine that neutralizes the highly immune evasive SARS-CoV-2 Omicron BA.5 sublineage.

[SkinnyPupp]

I'll die on the QR code restaurant menu hill.

I fucking hate looking at menus on my phone. I always ask for paper menus, and when they don't have them I've literally walked out.

What a stupid consequence of the pandemic, all because at the beginning people thought they could catch covid from touching a piece of paper.
I agree but I will share one cool anecdote: having a full menu on your phone that can be translated by google makes it easier if you're in a country where you can't read everything.

[punkwax]

I actually prefer the QR code menu.. just makes sense to me and some huge menus out there that can take up the whole table are annoying. Give me that table space! To each their own I suppose..

[Gumby]

Also costs less to only maintain a digital menu, and can easily change your menu items.

[inv4zn]

Also sometimes the menus are sticky and gross...

[donk.]

Also sometimes the menus are sticky and gross...

Where the f are you eating..... :heckno:

[Mikoyan]

Where the f are you eating..... :heckno:

Gonna guess Chinese/Japanese.

[dark0821]

^

Damn... holy shit everyone making 100K per person, and I am with 65k on a single income LOL... WTF... feel bad for my kids, I guess we are really just surviving below poverty standards of living...

Back on topic, we still mask up as a family when visiting malls, we skipped fireworks and canada day celebrations cuz wife thinks its not worth the risk... I am kinda bummed tbh, I love crowds and meets, but as she states, not worth the risk, especially being the single income owner, not gonna work out great if i go down haha

[JDMDreams]

^^ I mean your wife can get a part time job, I literally see hiring signs everywhere. You can be stay at home dad we in 21 century gender equality:troll:

[Hondaracer]

So when will your wife consider it worth the risk? When Covid is gone? Lol

[Badhobz]

i wanna stay home and be a no income household and just live like those mainlanders.

FeelsBadManFeelsBadMan

[Great68]

Also sometimes the menus are sticky and gross...

Your phone probably harbors more bacteria than that menu...

Your Cell Phone is 10 times Dirtier than a Toilet Seat (https://www.statefoodsafety.com/Resources/Resources/the-dirty-cell-phone-25-127-bacteria-per-square-inch)

[68style]

Not going to read that

[68style]

i wanna stay home and be a no income household and just live like those mainlanders.

FeelsBadManFeelsBadMan

Those guys are dedicated man... in my condo sometimes dumdums will park in your registered parking spot thinking it's a visitors (or, possibly, because they just don't care) it's happened to me a few times and I leave a note "Hey this isn't a visitor spot, please move your car" and you just hope it's gone in the morning... but the other day I saw a brand new Bentley parked in the registered spot of an Audi S5... well... the S5 owner came home and in a fit of ego and jealousy decided to park his car across the front of the Bentley and sat in it ALL EVENING just so he could confront the guy when he came out hahaha

I just happened to be down there washing my car when the big confrontation finally happened, so much yelling that I couldn't understand but wished so much that I could... I imagine a lot of it probably centred around an Audi owner trying to tell a Bentley owner off and the Bentley owner's ego taking over and telling him to move his piece of trash Audi, calling him a low class guy or saying his GF has tanned skin or some shit :lawl:

[Badhobz]

saying his GF has tanned skin or some shit :lawl:
:lawl::lawl::lawl::lawl:
HOW DARE YOU LOOK SOUTH EAST ASIAN!!! YOU FARMER !!!!!

mainlanders are so much fun, i miss going back to shanghai.... all my relatives are a bunch of cunts.

p.s. my mom showed them a picture of my LC and my aunt was like, did he lose his job or something? he went from a maserati to a lexus (corolla)? you guys poor

[68style]

Hahaha I love people who live in skewed realities... not even being facetious... I'm comfortable with my own life so it's a real kick when you don't need to be angry or jealous and just see how distorted some people get.

Tell them to enjoy the lockdowns lol

[Hondaracer]

Can buy one of those $12,000 Maseratis on auto trader and save face

[inv4zn]

Your phone probably harbors more bacteria than that menu...

Your Cell Phone is 10 times Dirtier than a Toilet Seat (https://www.statefoodsafety.com/Resources/Resources/the-dirty-cell-phone-25-127-bacteria-per-square-inch)

Yeah but my phone doesn't smell like aged soy sauce, so there's that.

And let's be honest, after reading the article, if someone said you had to either lick your phone or a toilet seat, which would you choose?

[Teriyaki]

Your phone probably harbors more bacteria than that menu...

Your Cell Phone is 10 times Dirtier than a Toilet Seat (https://www.statefoodsafety.com/Resources/Resources/the-dirty-cell-phone-25-127-bacteria-per-square-inch)

Y'all don't soap up your phone and give it a good rinse in the shower?:badpokerface:

[GS8]

Meh, my phone may be dirty but still cleaner than my last girlfriend

[Badhobz]

https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-15-2015/IUyizC.gif

[radeonboy]

p.s. my mom showed them a picture of my LC and my aunt was like, did he lose his job or something? he went from a maserati to a lexus (corolla)? you guys poor

Lol my mom immediately asked if I was in financial trouble when I picked her up from the airport with my Kia during her last visit. She ended up liking my Kia a ton, but said she still wouldn't be caught dead with one because of its badge :rukidding:

[GLOW]

just change it to that rebadge i saw on many kias and no one will notice :lol

[sonick]

just change it to that rebadge i saw on many kias and no one will notice :lol

lol do you mean that Kia SUV driving around with BMW-style kidney grills?

[GLOW]

haha instead of the badge that says "KIA", this one

http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0229/9049/products/Customers_photo_CF_3_1024x1024.jpg?v=1649472503

[68style]

Looks like someone punched out a Lexus logo

[Teriyaki]

Love how off topic this thread has become. I keep clicking in here and feel like, wait am I in the "no need to start new thread" thread but nope.
Sign of the times. Covid barely registers as a point of interest /discussion anymore.

[inv4zn]

Getting the kid her kid-sized covid shot next week.

Will update in 50 years if any long term effects or not.

[Badhobz]

GG Covid. No re.

[Hondaracer]

Lol all these fucking articles popping up

“Well.. most people with omicron don’t even know they have it!”

Ffs just stfu already

[Great68]

Got the notification that my kid's second shot is available. The problem is, there's barely any dates shown for availability to book. We're away camping next week, and it doesn't show anything past the end of august.

I'm hoping once the month rolls over they'll show dates in September. Otherwise, what a crap show. Not making it easy anymore.

[westopher]

Lol all these fucking articles popping up

“Well.. most people with omicron don’t even know they have it!”

Ffs just stfu already
Lol if we don’t know we have it I’d say it’s a good sign to not shut the planet down again, and also a good sign that either
A) vaccines make a difference
B) the virus has mutated into something that is much less worrisome
C) probably all of the above

[winson604]

Getting the kid her kid-sized covid shot next week.

Will update in 50 years if any long term effects or not.

My 3 year old got her shot a couple weeks ago. All went well, she didn't even feel the shot and was in a good mood all day with no reaction then right as quiet time was happening she threw up hard 3 times in a row lol. Of course it was spread out too. Threw up once, removed all the sheets to wash, put new ones on then came another all over the bed. Fun times.

[Hondaracer]

Lol if we don’t know we have it I’d say it’s a good sign to not shut the planet down again, and also a good sign that either
A) vaccines make a difference
B) the virus has mutated into something that is much less worrisome
C) probably all of the above

D) the people who were gonna die died.

[inv4zn]

D) the people who were gonna die died.

You must be super fun at funerals, eh?

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