[The Producer]

I see what you did there... and isn't that yellow car Producer's?


maybe it was me, but still 2 more weeks before you can check my vaccine passport history to see if I was actually there or not :badpokerface:

[SumAznGuy]

I see what you did there... and isn't that yellow car Producer's?

https://scontent.fyvr3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/240438748_10159763688549810_4127977154216761765_n. jpg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=b9115d&_nc_ohc=epKVWsEUZn4AX8G3dth&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr3-1.fna&oh=e1790bbbfb40151c7200627d60a76856&oe=615396BA

Still can't believe a car that looks THAT GOOD needs to be inspected for rusty fenders.
And loose seatbelts.

[320icar]

Still can't believe a car that looks THAT GOOD needs to be inspected for rusty fenders.
And loose seatbelts.

The second the vi thing came up I stopped going into Vancouver as a precaution (what, September 2018?) but once westopher got hit and even put on a flatbed, I KNEW I would never step foot in that city again.

Especially if you know him. He isn’t a hot head but holy eff I couldn’t imagine the white hot rage that would have been burning inside

[donk.]

https://twitter.com/NoLieWithBTC/status/1428844501053882371

https://mobile.twitter.com/DrAndrewThaler/status/1430916845406728201

[westopher]

I see what you did there... and isn't that yellow car Producer's?

https://scontent.fyvr3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/240438748_10159763688549810_4127977154216761765_n. jpg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=b9115d&_nc_ohc=epKVWsEUZn4AX8G3dth&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr3-1.fna&oh=e1790bbbfb40151c7200627d60a76856&oe=615396BA
Grape and lemon. Two popsicles no one likes.

[68style]

I’m more a lollipop kinda guy

[AzNightmare]

Grape and lemon. Two popsicles no one likes.

What?! You didn't like Grape?

https://images.freshop.com/00077567121202/266a6add3e03703e15b40020cc5c6f8e_large.png

My bro and I would literally fight for the grape one back in the days.

[westopher]

Man we should split a box cause I only want cherry.

[pastarocket]

VANCOUVER (NEWS 1130) — The number of COVID-19 cases continues to climb in the province, as B.C. has recorded 1,853 new COVID-19 cases over the weekend.


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[BIC_BAWS]

Man we should split a box cause I only want cherry.I only want orange

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[westopher]

RS popsicle 3 way meet

[Teriyaki]

Grape and lemon. Two popsicles no one likes.

These are literally my favourite. Actually the green is also great.

[punkwax]

You mean lime?

Grape popsicles are fantastic :megusta:

[SkunkWorks]

I only want orange

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... I thought you were into black ones?

[Vansterdam]

https://vancouversun.com/news/world/highly-mutated-variant-first-found-in-south-africa-has-spread-to-europe-and-asia/wcm/dd3236a8-688c-4efc-b71d-81a94646540f?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR0TP6mq4D2IMJkSKf72H7uyUsC05KWQ_oMWWkj_b 9-1U7a_pHqzyHDYlJU#Echobox=1630349412

[westopher]

At least I’ve got my retirement plan figured out now.

[BIC_BAWS]

... I thought you were into black ones?

only bbc

big. black. cars....

:badpokerface:

[68style]

^ I knew there was a reason you liked my Mustang

….. all 8 cylinders of it

[EvoFire]

Does anyone have any idea or heard any rumours how the vaccine passport would apply to travellers?

If some one is visiting Vancouver and had their proper vaccine elsewhere how do they get a vaccine passport, or are they SOL?

[StylinRed]

How is the UK still recording over 32,000 daily cases

[320icar]

How is the UK still recording over 32,000 daily cases

The same reason no one in the interior is vaccinated. They have large groups of old stubborn people (you know, the ones who voted for brexit and against immigration). They’re the same ones refusing to get vaccinated.

Source: my family who lives there

[68style]

There's a reason they're called the America of Europe.

My godparents live there, both immuno-compromised and they got the vaccine... they have 3 sons, 1 older than me, 1 same age as me and 1 that's 2 years younger... the oldest one only got the shot after his wife forced him to, the one the same age as me got it because he has some immune system issues and the younger one refuses to get it because the government can't tell him what to do. He's also living in his parents house at 40 and doesn't have a job and his mom who has a bad hip has to do his laundry and cook all his meals for him. Goes a long way to show the demographics of who doesn't bother with this stuff and thinks they know everything.

[JDMDreams]

BeKuz EcOnomIes Mate, mAh rIgHts to Go BuY maH pInTs aT da MaRketZ, caNt bAn mE mA riGhts:accepted:

[StylinRed]

I was shocked when watching UK news this morning

I expected numbers like that from France over the UK, but France has less than we do! The country that doesn't really shower, with twice the population!

[JDMDreams]

I'm surprised to see cases going up in Israel, as they have pretty high vaccine rates? And they usually are the first ones to get vaccinated:suspicious: so not sure what's going on there cuz they were supposed to be the model rich country

[westopher]

https://apple.news/AGn3pjeN6StiOXe-3fMzuMQ
Careful travelling to Canada since they have 5% of the active cases per capita as we do. You might not get enough covid there - US government

[whitev70r]

Please .. Americans, do stay away from Canada.

[StylinRed]

I'm surprised to see cases going up in Israel, as they have pretty high vaccine rates? And they usually are the first ones to get vaccinated:suspicious: so not sure what's going on there cuz they were supposed to be the model rich country

iirc their youths and orthodox community doesn't want to get vaxxed

[320icar]

I'm surprised to see cases going up in Israel, as they have pretty high vaccine rates? And they usually are the first ones to get vaccinated:suspicious: so not sure what's going on there cuz they were supposed to be the model rich country

The vaccine doesn’t make you immune dude. It just reduces your chances of serious illness. Also people are saying “look how many vaccinated people are getting sick!!” Well yeah, duh. The more vaccinated you have, the more will get sick in the % between vax and unvax.

That’s like saying “why are all the bad drivers in richmond chinese??” Well, cuz 90% of the total drivers ARE Chinese, therefore the odds are 9:1 lol

[68style]

^ The Costco parking lot strongly endorses your statement :fullofwin:

[pastarocket]

Dr. B showed new Covid modelling data today.

Unvaccinated people make up 81 percent of hospitalizations in the last month.

Unvaccinated people are 17 times more likely to be hospitalized than fully vaccinated people.

She keeps talking about a "risk based approach" to dealing with Covid cases.

If it is a risk based approach, then why did Dr. B. mention the possibility of getting kids in age 6 to 11 to get vaccinated?

Is it safe for kids in that age range to get vaccinated when their immune systems are still developing in that age range?
Giving the vaccine to kids in that age range is not a risk in itself??

Are you kidding me, Dr. B???? :fulloffuck:

[SumAznGuy]

Dr. B showed new Covid modelling data today.

Unvaccinated people make up 81 percent of hospitalizations in the last month.

Unvaccinated people are 17 times more likely to be hospitalized than fully vaccinated people.

She keeps talking about a "risk based approach" to dealing with Covid cases.

If it is a risk based approach, then why did Dr. B. mention the possibility of getting kids in age 6 to 11 to get vaccinated?

Is it safe for kids in that age range to get vaccinated when their immune systems are still developing in that age range?
Giving the vaccine to kids in that age range is not a risk in itself??

Are you kidding me, Dr. B???? :fulloffuck:

To me, it's more evidence they have no clue what they are doing.

[MarkyMark]

So are the people who told everyone they should get the vaccine going to say they will not vaccinate their kids once one is developed?

[Mr.Money]

what about flu shots?... did anyone freak out about that for kids in the history of vaccines.

[JDMDreams]

Yes I've seen those who refused treatment so the kid dies. I guess that they can make another one or we don't need another anti Vax around

[westopher]

I don’t get the angle. How does wanting kids to be vaccinated once it’s declared safe to do so mean they don’t know what they are doing? What am I missing here.

[donk.]

Your missing the fact that this thread mostly consists of licenced doctors, scientists, and politicians.

[westopher]

People are just all over the fuckin map here lol.

[CivicBlues]

People just wanna be contrarian dicks. OMG Dr. Henry won't mandate masks. Omg She mandated masks but won't with vaccines, OMG she won't vaccinate or children, now she's going to vaccinate our children OMG?! Some people think she's the "Manager of COVID" or something rather than the Chief Medical Officer of a small insignificant Province in a small insignificant Country who gets 2nd hand information.

Also, who the fuck is Dr. B?

[whitev70r]

Neanderthal !!

Dairy Queen customer urinates at counter after mask dispute on Vancouver Island

https://vancouverisland.ctvnews.ca/dairy-queen-customer-urinates-at-counter-after-mask-dispute-on-vancouver-island-1.5567370

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx4KTk22mq8

[snowball]

The vaccine doesn’t make you immune dude. It just reduces your chances of serious illness. Also people are saying “look how many vaccinated people are getting sick!!” Well yeah, duh. The more vaccinated you have, the more will get sick in the % between vax and unvax.

That’s like saying “why are all the bad drivers in richmond chinese??” Well, cuz 90% of the total drivers ARE Chinese, therefore the odds are 9:1 lol

People also don't understand that the less severely sick you are, the less viral load and less chance you'll be spewing out the virus to give to someone else.

[pastarocket]

People just wanna be contrarian dicks. OMG Dr. Henry won't mandate masks. Omg She mandated masks but won't with vaccines, OMG she won't vaccinate or children, now she's going to vaccinate our children OMG?! Some people think she's the "Manager of COVID" or something rather than the Chief Medical Officer of a small insignificant Province in a small insignificant Country who gets 2nd hand information.

Also, who the fuck is Dr. B?


My bad. I should refer to Dr. Henry as Dr. H. LUL

My point is that if Dr Henry, Dr. H, is using what she calls a “a risk based approach” towards fighting Covid in BC, I hope she shows scientific data to support her claim that vaccinating kids ages 6-11 is possible and safe.

Show us the data, Dr. Henry!


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[westopher]

She’s not walking around vaccinating kids. She’s speaking about how that is a hope for the future. Clinical trials have been ongoing for months and she will share that data when it becomes available from the case studies. She is neither developing, nor approving the vaccines herself so I honestly don’t know what you think is happening based on her statements.
I also don’t think the term “risk based approach” is corresponding with what you think it means.
You identify the largest risk to your goal, do what you can to address that risk, then move on to the next largest risk to your goal.

[Traum]

My point is that if Dr Henry, Dr. H, is using what she calls a “a risk based approach” towards fighting Covid in BC, I hope she shows scientific data to support her claim that vaccinating kids ages 6-11 is possible and safe.

Show us the data, Dr. Henry!

Everybody in the US and Canada are basically doing exactly just what you are asking -- we are all waiting for the scientific data to come out. FDA has been requesting that same info from Big Pharma (and Pfizer, especially), but has also changed the level of trial data that they want from the pharmaceutical companies, so the study is not finished yet. If FDA doesn't change its mind again, we should be able to see the trials wrapping up by the end of Sept, and results from the approval process from the FDA by the end of Oct, and maybe kids in the 5 - 11 range will be able to start getting vaccinated.

Frequency Podcast did a story on exactly just that today. Check it out, because it's good info:

https://thebigstorypodcast.ca/2021/08/31/vaccine-faq-timelines-for-kids-do-vaccine-passports-help-and-do-you-need-a-booster/

[ilovebacon]

Neanderthal !!

Dairy Queen customer urinates at counter after mask dispute on Vancouver Island

https://vancouverisland.ctvnews.ca/dairy-queen-customer-urinates-at-counter-after-mask-dispute-on-vancouver-island-1.5567370

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx4KTk22mq8

this guy's shameless LOL

[GLOW]

am i reaching here?

assuming the cashier is a teenager, isn't that some sort of offense on a minor to be whipping it out and peeing in their direction? some sort of sexual crime no?

[westopher]

Becoming a registered sex offender for that would definitely be some poetic justice.

[Tapioca]

The rising case counts will just continue to exacerbate the inequality of those working for and owning small businesses that rely on the in-person experience and the professional class who work for larger organizations whose businesses can continue to function virtually or can impose mandatory vaccine policies with little pushback from employees.

[The Producer]

The rising case counts will just continue to exacerbate the inequality of those working for and owning small businesses that rely on the in-person experience and the professional class who work for larger organizations whose businesses can continue to function virtually or can impose mandatory vaccine policies with little pushback from employees.


as a small business owner, covid has had a significantly detrimental financial impact on my business. Down 90% in the early months.

a "vaccine passport" as much as I'm wary of government overreach/tracking will absolutely help small business in the arts and entertainment/hospitality/tourism industry.

if we can get some vaccine policies in place, the events my business supports will be able to resume safely

all we want is for day to day events to resume. I can't think of a single type of small business that won't benefit from this government's vaccine policies that seek to further drive take up.

[lilaznviper]

the amount of people protesting near VGH...

if you are going to protest, atleast do it away from the hospital:facepalm:

[westopher]

They don't want to be too far away when they all get sick.

[whitev70r]

Use facial recognition tech ... don't admit them if they do need hospital for Covid!

[lilaznviper]

apparently the protest is called "canadian frontline workers" protest

all the frontline workers are probably going fuck off

https://twitter.com/emadagahi/status/1433184504022188035

[whitev70r]

^ oh damn ...there are that many idiots in YVR!!

Hope some of them test +'ve in the next few days!

[pastarocket]

These protesters can scream and protest all they want about their rights.

Covid and Mother Nature do not care about their feelings and opinions about mandatory vaccines for many businesses.

These Covidiots can potentially hurt someone who has a medical emergency because the dumbasses are preventing paramedics from taking that person to VGH!

Selfish assholes who only care about their rights and not the rights of other people to get medical attention!


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[BlackV62K2]

Joe Rogan tested positive. Takes a whole load of meds including the horse dewormer. Ffs

https://www.mmafighting.com/2021/9/1/22653071/joe-rogan-reveals-he-contracted-covid-19-prescribed-numerous-treatments-including-controversial-drug

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CTSsA8wAR2-/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

[Manic!]

apparently the protest is called "canadian frontline workers" protest

all the frontline workers are probably going fuck off

https://twitter.com/emadagahi/status/1433184504022188035

Russia and China going a great job.

[68style]

Joe Rogan tested positive. Takes a whole load of meds including the horse dewormer. Ffs

https://www.mmafighting.com/2021/9/1/22653071/joe-rogan-reveals-he-contracted-covid-19-prescribed-numerous-treatments-including-controversial-drug

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CTSsA8wAR2-/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

I love how people are so quick to causal analyze things with zero control group study:

"Regardless of that particular drug, Rogan says that the overall treatment prescribed to him has helped in his recovery and he appears to be almost back to normal after a couple of days dealing with symptoms."

Yah because he checked the alternate reality where he took nothing at all and saw how it turned out?

Fuckin idiot.

[The Producer]

^^ how many people did he pass it on to before showing symptoms?

what a clown

[Tapioca]

i try not to dip into this thread too often but what are you talking about? :fulloffuck:

as a small business owner, covid has had a significantly detrimental financial impact on my business. Down 90% in the early months.

a "vaccine passport" as much as I'm wary of government overreach/tracking will absolutely help small business in the arts and entertainment/hospitatlity/tourism industry.

if we van get some vaccine policies in place, the events my business supports will be able to resume safely

don't speak for me or my small business peers (who have argueably taken the brunt of the financial hit in the last 18 months)

all we want is for day to day events to resume. I can't think of a single type of small business that won't benefit from these vaccine policies that will further drive take up.

I think you took my point the wrong way as I was thinking about the reluctance by governments to come down hard on vaccine hesitancy and their fear of a very vocal minority.

[SkinnyPupp]

Joe Rogan tested positive. Takes a whole load of meds including the horse dewormer. Ffs

https://www.mmafighting.com/2021/9/1/22653071/joe-rogan-reveals-he-contracted-covid-19-prescribed-numerous-treatments-including-controversial-drug

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CTSsA8wAR2-/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Holy shit he looks like death

He's vaccinated so should be able to recover, unless he fucks himself up with all the horse dewormer and other shit. Or he could be one of the 1% of vaccinated who get really sick... 1% is still a lot of people.

Since he has had covid before, he's pretty protected against delta... Prior covid positive is actually more effective protection against delta compared to vaccination.

My only hope is that he changes his tune because as bad as the show is, he has a ton of followers and a lot of influence.

[Hondaracer]

Yea that IG vid looks like he’s aged 20 years since the last time I saw a video of him lol fuck

[GGnoRE]

Not sure what you're comparing against but I think he looks pretty decent for someone in their mid 50's lol. He also says he's only had 1 bad day of symptoms and now feels great after a couple of days so I doubt this experience will change his tune.

[SkinnyPupp]

Not sure what you're comparing against but I think he looks pretty decent for someone in their mid 50's lol. He also says he's only had 1 bad day of symptoms and now feels great after a couple of days so I doubt this experience will change his tune.
Maybe it's the lighting (though I doubt since it's outdoors) but his skin colour looks like a cadaver. Maybe it's one of the drugs he took, I don't know.

But whatever the reason, he looks like awful here, you can't argue against that.

Edit; apparently it's a playback issue when you watch the video on PC? They're talking about it on the joe rogan reddit. All I know is, he looked like a zombie when I watched it.

[The Producer]

I think you took my point the wrong way as I was thinking about the reluctance by governments to come down hard on vaccine hesitancy and their fear of a very vocal minority.

i completely did - i apologize.

I'm going to edit my post to convey the same content - that I think small business would be all in favour of vaccine mandates

[GIZZ]

My anti vaxxer coworker told our manager today he's pro vaccines and he had the shots. WTF bullshit is this, everyone knows he didn't. Who knows what bulshit is coming out of this guy next.

[Manic!]

https://scontent-lax3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/241059709_10159122219276144_339759216303342519_n.j pg?_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=b9115d&_nc_ohc=Ie3957KxZUMAX-9FVut&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-2.xx&oh=51d66b19fda42dc143191a6f1db8c0b0&oe=61540653

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/p526x296/240901354_10159122219331144_4307132027755735889_n. jpg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=b9115d&_nc_ohc=XUBLIC4yVdsAX_VboLf&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-1.xx&oh=bb0c62612b969fa1b8751f880027cf09&oe=6156A917

[westopher]

I genuinely hope the person/people that assaulted the health care worker gets covid and at least ends up in the ICU. Fucking wastes of space. What a shithole of a place this has become.

[underscore]

Nah that's a waste of an ICU bed. They made their choice, they should stick to their guns and die at home.

[JDMDreams]

Well I guess we know who we can blame if there's another lock down cuz cases shot up, they can thank then selves for keeping businesses closed and even tighter restrictions:accepted::troll::troll::lawl:

Yo dawg I heard you don't like restrictions so you protested which will cause more restrictions :lawl:

[MarkyMark]

JDMDreams when he hears about tighter restrictions

https://c.tenor.com/W6rM3OJDZUgAAAAC/feels-andysamberg.gif

[GGnoRE]

I'm fully vaccinated but I've sorted given up frowning upon anti-vaxxers and I don't think they will be the reason covid drags out in the grand scheme of things.

1. CDC study published July 30 2021 found that vaccinated individuals carried as much virus in their noses as unvaccinated individuals, strongly suggesting that vaccinated people could spread the virus to others.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7031e2.htm?s_cid=mm7031e2_w
"During July 2021, 469 cases of COVID-19 associated with multiple summer events and large public gatherings in a town in Barnstable County, Massachusetts, were identified among Massachusetts residents; vaccination coverage among eligible Massachusetts residents was 69%. Approximately three quarters (346; 74%) of cases occurred in fully vaccinated persons (those who had completed a 2-dose course of mRNA vaccine [Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna] or had received a single dose of Janssen [Johnson & Johnson] vaccine ≥14 days before exposure). ..."

2. A large Israeli study showed that people who once had a SARS-CoV-2 infection were much less likely than vaccinated people to get Delta, develop symptoms from it, or become hospitalized with serious COVID-19. Vaccinated individuals were 27 times more likely to get a symptomatic COVID infection than those with natural immunity from COVID.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1
"This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity. ..."

3. Even at one of the world's highest vaccination rates, Israel is currently recording one of the world’s highest infection rates. More than half of their cases are in fully vaccinated people.

https://www.science.org/news/2021/08/grim-warning-israel-vaccination-blunts-does-not-defeat-delta

4. Israel is also finding that vaccine efficacy declines over time which is why they are planning to roll out booster 3rd shots. How many booster shots are you willing to take? Asked another way, at which Xth booster shot are you labelled as an anti-vaxxer if you refuse to take it?

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/23/science/covid-vaccine-israel-pfizer.html

5. Some don't believe that even boosters are likely to defeat the Delta wave.

https://www.science.org/news/2021/08/grim-warning-israel-vaccination-blunts-does-not-defeat-delta
"... Yet boosters are unlikely to tame a Delta surge on their own, says Dvir Aran, a biomedical data scientist at Technion. In Israel, the current surge is so steep that “even if you get two-thirds of those 60-plus [boosted], it’s just gonna give us another week, maybe 2 weeks until our hospitals are flooded.” He says it’s also critical to vaccinate those who still haven’t received their first or second doses, and to return to the masking and social distancing Israel thought it had left behind—but has begun to reinstate.

Aran’s message for the United States and other wealthier nations considering boosters is stark: “Do not think that the boosters are the solution.” ..."

6. Even after we defeat the Delta wave, guess what? There's more strains in the pipeline, possibly with vaccine resistance.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/09/01/who-tracking-new-covid-variant-named-mu-warns-it-could-be-more-resistant-to-vaccines/?sh=7cfd2c0959fc
"The World Health Organization said it has identified a new coronavirus “variant of interest,” named mu—also known by its scientific name, B.1.621—in its weekly pandemic update Tuesday, warning it was becoming increasingly prevalent in Colombia and Ecuador and shows signs of possible resistance to vaccines.
...
Mu has a number of mutations that suggest it could be more resistant to vaccines, the health agency warned, but said further research would be needed to confirm this.

Preliminary data show a reduced effectiveness of vaccines “similar to that seen for the beta variant,” the WHO said. ... "

7. Even with vaccination, most scientists believe that we will not be able to eradicate Covid and the virus will become an endemic for years to come.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00396-2
"... If other regions [like Western Australia], aided by vaccines, aimed for a similar zero-COVID strategy, then could the world hope to rid itself of the virus?

It’s a beautiful dream but most scientists think it’s improbable. In January, Nature asked more than 100 immunologists, infectious-disease researchers and virologists working on the coronavirus whether it could be eradicated. Almost 90% of respondents think that the coronavirus will become endemic — meaning that it will continue to circulate in pockets of the global population for years to come (see 'Endemic future'). ..."

[SkinnyPupp]

What point is it you're making though?

[GGnoRE]

Most anti-vaxxers have a stupid reason for refusing vaccines. But regardless of their reason, they are heading towards immunity (stronger immunity than vaccination) like the rest of us who are vaccinated.

We are told to get vaccinated not just for ourselves, but for others. Well this doesn't exactly seem to be the case as I wrote above.

Even if you are vaccinated now, the virus isn't going away anytime soon and your vaccine efficacy will continue to decline. At a certain point, I would assume that more people will roll the dice at some point with no additional booster shots. We are currently drawing the anti-vaxxer line at 2 shots but that seems a bit arbitrary when there will be people who refuse their 3rd or 4th or 5th etc booster shots.

[Hondaracer]

I guarantee you the uptake for booster shots is going to fall off a cliff.

And frankly given the protests etc. I really doubt the govt. has the balls to implement any further vaccine passport measures ie. now you’ll be restricted if you don’t have a booster.

Learn to live with it because herd immunity was seemingly a pipe dream from the beggining and I’d say it’s a safe bet the govt. knew that.

[whitev70r]

I know of a double vaccinated person tested positive. It seems like vaccines may be able to lessen symptoms, get the body ready in case you catch the virus, but certainly not a 80-90% efficacy rate which they were touting ... if by the efficacy rate we understood it as 'you won't get it'.

I'd still get it for the protection of lesser symptoms but yah, I can see how evidence is now giving anti-vaxxers more fuel to their fire namely, double vaccinated people still testing +'ve. Having said that, the Delta variant was a bit of a game changer. Pfizer or Moderna might be more effective against original Covid but virus is out smarting and out running how humans can find solutions.

Reasonable people see vaccines lower case counts with original Covid and Delta throwing us for a loop.

Anti-vaxxers say, 'See, I told you so. Case counts still high, people with double vaccines still get it, vaccines itself side effects, eff vaccine passports, etc.'

[Traum]

The vaccine is not 100% effective against infection -- that is something we've known since their introduction. Also, we now know effectiveness against infection drops over time, perhaps a bit sooner than everyone has anticipated, but it is still very effective in offering protection against severe COVID, and it is those severe COVID and their lasting consequences that are the most damaging.

There is also no disputing that the vast majority of people infected now are:

1) infected by delta, and
2) unvaccinated

To me, this means the vaccine continues to be very effective, both in terms of significantly reducing the chances of getting infected, as well as the risks of developing severe COVID if you do get infected.

Are those reasons still not enough to get the shot? Someone would have to be an idiot to not see how the vaccine offers fantastic protection against the disease, delta variant or not. FailFish

[CivicBlues]

Most anti-vaxxers have a stupid reason for refusing vaccines. But regardless of their reason, they are heading towards immunity (stronger immunity than vaccination) like the rest of us who are vaccinated.

We are told to get vaccinated not just for ourselves, but for others. Well this doesn't exactly seem to be the case as I wrote above.

Even if you are vaccinated now, the virus isn't going away anytime soon and your vaccine efficacy will continue to decline. At a certain point, I would assume that more people will roll the dice at some point with no additional booster shots. We are currently drawing the anti-vaxxer line at 2 shots but that seems a bit arbitrary when there will be people who refuse their 3rd or 4th or 5th etc booster shots.

Except the point of getting vaccinated is to keep your ass out of the hospital. These anti-vaxxers will end up getting it but a larger percentage of them will require hospitalization than the vaxxed population causing further strain on our Hospitals.

The vaccination strategy was never about eradicating COVID, it was to keep our Health Care System intact.

[Hondaracer]

So you’re double vaccinated

Would you prefer to roll the dice on a mild case of covid or take another booster?

[whitev70r]

The vaccine is not 100% effective against infection -- that is something we've known since their introduction. Also, we now know effectiveness against infection drops over time, perhaps a bit sooner than everyone has anticipated, but it is still very effective in offering protection against severe COVID, and it is those severe COVID and their lasting consequences that are the most damaging.

There is also no disputing that the vast majority of people infected now are:

1) infected by delta, and
2) unvaccinated

To me, this means the vaccine continues to be very effective, both in terms of significantly reducing the chances of getting infected, as well as the risks of developing severe COVID if you do get infected.

Are those reasons still not enough to get the shot? Someone would have to be an idiot to not see how the vaccine offers fantastic protection against the disease, delta variant or not. FailFish

Well, yah ... that's what the fine print is now telling us.

BUT it's hard not to deny that when they rolled out the vaccine ... it was advertised as 80-90% effective. I know it was ambiguous ... but what do you think the avg person concluded by that?

[320icar]

I’m not even going to engage. So much wrong

Guys like “bad guys can still get guns. So why bother with any attempt at gun control? Who cares if more school shootings happens ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ “

[spoon.ek9]

the average understanding of what vaccines do is flawed to begin with. as mentioned many times already vaccines do not prevent infection, they prevent hospitalization and death. that's what the efficacy percentage is rated on. the people experiencing breakthrough infections is incredibly low (roughly 1%) and of that percentage, vast majority of the ones being hospitalized have pre-existing underlying conditions.

[westopher]

We still have pretty clear numbers that I believe were stated as
You have a 17x better chance of being infected if you are unvaccinated
29x better chance of being hospitalized
10x better chance of dying if you are hospitalized
I’m not sure how anyone that can even add 1+1 can argue against vaccine effectiveness, but with these dumbfuck contrarians, I’m sure plenty of them would argue 1+1=2 is just a coverup by George soros to keep the sheep from knowing real math, so here we are.
Idiocracy is officially a documentary that was somehow released back in time.

[GGnoRE]

We all understand that vaccines work to a varying degree against variants and time. Nobody argued that. In an ideal world, we'd all get fully vaccinated at the same time. But the reality is, not everyone is going to take the vaccine. Some are anti-vaxers now and reasonable people will opt not to take boosters in the future. We are seeing data from Israel and CDC that variants can cause surges in infections or outbreaks where the majority of the cases are among those who are fully vaccinated. Covid will continue to mutate and remain as an endemic for years to come with or without vaccination.

As for trying to keep people out of hospital, I really wonder how far we should go as a society. Our society allows people to make poor choices all the time; we allow people to smoke, drink alcohol, use recreational drugs, eat garbage diet, not engage in any physical exercise, be morbidly obese etc... all of which leads to a burden on our healthcare system without any restriction or penalty. Imagine the uproar if we decided as a society that, if you have a blood pressure exceeding X or if you smoke or if BMI is above Y, all of which are common causes of heart diseases which is the number 1 cause of death and burden on our healthcare system, you will not be allowed to enter bars, fast-food restaurants etc. If you were to ask me how do we keep hospitals from getting overrun from Covid, I think we should have 20x the ICU capacity that we currently have. If we can spend over 70B on CERB, I think we can spend billions increasing the pay of current nurses, recruiting and expediting the training of new nurses specifically for managing covid patients, building emergency triage centers, manufacturing more medical equipment etc.

[westopher]

Nobody argued that.
If you believe that you haven’t been paying attention.
Agreed on increasing healthcare budgets, but other than that I’ve clearly heard, read and seen people making statements that “95% of people in hospital are vaccinated” and “vaccines make no difference in the spread of covid” which is downright bullshit. More people believe this trash than their should be.
Again on the obesity, addictions, etc.
A vaccine doesn’t limit those.

[Hondaracer]

Hospital capacity and the recruitment/training of future nurses and doctors can wait until after Trudeaus failed pandemic election.

[spoon.ek9]

We all understand that vaccines work to a varying degree against variants and time. Nobody argued that. In an ideal world, we'd all get fully vaccinated at the same time. But the reality is, not everyone is going to take the vaccine. Some are anti-vaxers now and reasonable people will opt not to take boosters in the future. We are seeing data from Israel and CDC that variants can cause surges in infections or outbreaks where the majority of the cases are among those who are fully vaccinated. Covid will continue to mutate and remain as an endemic for years to come with or without vaccination.

As for trying to keep people out of hospital, I really wonder how far we should go as a society. Our society allows people to make poor choices all the time; we allow people to smoke, drink alcohol, use recreational drugs, eat garbage diet, not engage in any physical exercise, be morbidly obese etc... all of which leads to a burden on our healthcare system without any restriction or penalty. Imagine the uproar if we decided as a society that, if you have a blood pressure exceeding X or if you smoke or if BMI is above Y, all of which are common causes of heart diseases which is the number 1 cause of death and burden on our healthcare system, you will not be allowed to enter bars, fast-food restaurants etc. If you were to ask me how do we keep hospitals from getting overrun from Covid, I think we should have 20x the ICU capacity that we currently have. If we can spend over 70B on CERB, I think we can spend billions increasing the pay of current nurses, recruiting and expediting the training of new nurses specifically for managing covid patients, building emergency triage centers, manufacturing more medical equipment etc.

NONE of those are infectious diseases. That's the difference plain and simple. You cannot compare poor choices with a highly infectious disease that can and will affect people against their will.

[320icar]

Don’t bother guys.

[GGnoRE]

NONE of those are infectious diseases. That's the difference plain and simple. You cannot compare poor choices with a highly infectious disease that can and will affect people against their will.

Before responding to your post, I will state again that I have taken the vaccine and I support the vaccine but I am questioning what is the best way for us to move forward as a society when covid is projected to stick around for years and a growing segment of our population will be anti-vax/partially-vaxed/un-boostered.

I thought the main argument supporting harsh restrictions against those not vaccinated is to keep people away from hospitals (this is why I brought up poor lifestyle choices which leads to hospitalization), not necessarily to prevent infections in general? All of us have access to vaccines and our chances of ending up in a hospital is extremely low if you protect yourself by taking the vaccine.

If you are supporting harsh restrictions against those not vaccinated to prevent infections in general, how do we explain that there are no restrictions if you choose not to get the influenza vaccine every year? Before anyone gets upset that I compared covid to the flu, I appreciate that covid is different than the flu in terms of r0, symptoms, death rate etc etc. but who and by what criteria are we deciding which infectious disease warrants such extreme intervention from the government? Is it simply by rank ordering? i.e. if disease X is more dangerous than the flu, it warrants mandatory vaccination? Is it by some metric like r0? I guess my stance is that I don't expect nor want the government to attempt to eradicate all risks to my health via extreme measures. They provided free vaccines to everyone and I am okay with whatever risks that remain which is very low for the majority of our population.

[westopher]

You need to look at the numbers.
There hasn’t been a time in our lives where a single disease left unchecked would overrun the hospital system.
Not obesity, not the flu, not drugs (although that is overwhelming our ambulance services as of late)
That is why this disease requires different solutions. Because the system that has been constructed since the implementation of health care in this country has never had to adapt to anything of this magnitude, nor can it this quickly.
There is no comparison to be made, because these other issues are not even close to as dangerous to our population as an entirety.

[GGnoRE]

There hasn’t been a time in our lives where a single disease left unchecked would overrun the hospital system.
Not obesity, not the flu, not drugs (although that is overwhelming our ambulance services as of late)
That is why this disease requires different solutions. Because the system that has been constructed since the implementation of health care in this country has never had to adapt to anything of this magnitude, nor can it this quickly.

I agree that we need a unique solution to prevent the hospitals from being overrun but my perspective is that the solution we are going about now will only strengthen the resolve of those who are not vaccinated or not-boostered in the future and create a deeper rift in our society.

[westopher]

That I can agree with. Most of the unvaccinated that are not specifically anti vax are simply making a fuss because they don’t like being told what to do, or to be alienated.
It’s like the child having a temper tantrum because he got in trouble for something he didn’t think was wrong.
What’s an alternative though? We asked, we told, we gave information. Those that are left behind are holding the rest of society back.
I did my part, why should I be punished for those that didn’t? The alternative is a sweeping lockdown for everyone. Again.
No one wants more lockdowns, except maybe JDMdreams.

[JDMDreams]

That's why we need passports to keep the unvax away from the healthy. It's 2 years in, and they made their choice. It's like that friend that never listens to your advice and get hurt or that kid that keeps touching the boiling pot when you told them not to. It makes no sense that we would risk the health of all the vaccinated ppl to please the rights and freedoms of the anti Vax. What about the rights and freedom/ health and safety for everyone else who followed the rules.

That's like saying it's my rights and freedom to drive at 200km and text while I do it. You have to face the consequences of your decision. Let them drink the bleach and shove that horse creme up their butts.:lawl:

[Hondaracer]

I’m not at all against the passport, I encourage it in fact due to it being basically the last resort to twist people’s arm to get vaccinated.

However, it left me with an uneasy feeling when they had a govt. representative on the radio talk about the “temporary” passport system and she literally said the word temporary 6-7 times in a 3 minute interview lol..

[JDMDreams]

^^ same thing as them saying face masks weren't necessary, and you guys don't need masks as of July

[Hondaracer]

Not even close to the same.

[SkinnyPupp]

I am questioning what is the best way for us to move forward as a society

The best way right now is for everyone to get vaccinated. There's literally no good argument against it.

[hud 91gt]

I didn’t know being fat or having high blood pressure was contagious. I’ll avoid all old people from now on.

[320icar]

Also the argument about why not make smokers not allowed to go to the hospital etc.

You can’t catch cancer. BUT unlike obesity, smokers do produce second hand smoke. That’s why for the good of society it’s illegal to smoke in public parks, indoors, homes or cars with children.

Why should corona be any different

[GGnoRE]

I didn’t know being fat or having high blood pressure was contagious. I’ll avoid all old people from now on.

The fact that covid is contagious or infectious, in isolation alone, is too simple of an argument to warrant the magnitude of action that our government wants to take against a segment of our population who are unvaccinated. If you were to rely on that contagious aspect alone, you wouldn't be able to explain why we as a society are okay with people freely spreading the cold and flu to each other without any restrictions. The only reason and valid argument to support extreme measures against the unvaccinated is to prevent hospitals from being overrun, which covid has the potential to do but not the flu, not to prevent infections overall.

Also the argument about why not make smokers not allowed to go to the hospital etc.

You can’t catch cancer. BUT unlike obesity, smokers do produce second hand smoke. That’s why for the good of society it’s illegal to smoke in public parks, indoors, homes or cars with children.

Why should corona be any different

The question I am asking is how do we balance the "good of society" with respecting the decisions of individuals, regardless of how much you deplore those decisions. I appreciate that someone can give you covid, but the risks that an unvaccinated person pose to you as a vaccinated individual is very low. This is not me downplaying covid, doctors and infectious disease experts have said it multiples times on tv that even IF you were to contract covid, you will most likely experience mild respiratory illness as a vaccinated individual.

From a practical standpoint, I would also ask what is the end game if we go down this direction? Sooner or later, the majority of cases and infections will be among fully vaccinated individuals when you look at the new data coming from Israel and CDC. At that point, we won't be able to scapegoat the unvaccinated population by introducing more punitive measures against them. On top of that, our vaccine efficacy from the first two doses will continue to erode and we will most likely be asked to get our 3rd booster. So now, if you don't get your booster are your vaccine passports revoked? What about another booster 6 months later? Before we set a new precedent by supporting this now, do we even know what is the long-term plan? I'll state again that my stance is that I would much rather see us investing heavily in increasing ICU capacity exponentially now to prevent lockdowns from ever happening again.

[westopher]

The fact that covid is contagious or infectious, in isolation alone, is too simple of an argument to warrant the magnitude of action that our government wants to take against a segment of our population who are unvaccinated. If you were to rely on that contagious aspect alone, you wouldn't be able to explain why we as a society are okay with people freely spreading the cold and flu to each other without any restrictions. The only reason and valid argument to support extreme measures against the unvaccinated is to prevent hospitals from being overrun, which covid has the potential to do but not the flu, not to prevent infections overall.

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No one is relying on the contagious aspect alone lol. These rules that are being put in place are complex. You keep going back to these comparisons, that are totally irrelevant.
We as a society are “ok” with the flu because
It doesn’t overwhelm the hospital system
It doesn’t kill 5 million people in a little over a year EVEN AFTER SHUTTING THE ENTIRE WORLD DOWN MULTIPLE TIMES.
You’re suggesting that we invest tens of billions of dollars in revamping our hospital system, accept many more deaths and severe illnesses than necessary, instead of people getting vaccinated because they don’t like it.

[GGnoRE]

No one is relying on the contagious aspect alone lol.

If a poster only mentions the contagious aspect as a counter-argument, why would I assume anything else when responding to that poster? That would be putting words in someone's mouth that they never said. Last time I checked, we never get credit for ideas and reasons that we never actually write down or say.

... instead of people getting vaccinated because they don’t like it.

I guess only time will tell whether this is an effective solution. As I wrote before, I don't think this will change people's mind who are already entrenched in their position that they are not going to get vaccinated. In fact, I think it will only embolden them.

By suggesting that we invest in increasing ICU capacity, I am not suggesting that we give up on vaccination. We should continue to push vaccination as much as 'reasonably' possible but the latest studies are showing that even with high vaccination rates, additional restrictive measures will be required to overcome the delta wave such as masking, social distancing, and possibly another lockdown. My perspective is that increasing in ICU capacity is the best way to avoid that lockdown scenario since hospitalization is the key determining factor.

[Presto]

Increasing ICU capacity is not effective if there's no one to staff it.

[westopher]

You can think that the person knows only that one sentence from their post if you like, but if you provide a solution based on only that one piece of info while knowing there are other relevant factors you are ignoring, the solution really holds no weight whatsoever, right? It’s really just telling someone they are wrong while being completely wrong in your own way as a rebuttal.
The vaccine uptake after the announcement would say that it did have an effect on more people getting vaccinated as appointments for first doses have doubled the week it announced over the previous week. Again, you aren’t wrong that people will use it as ammunition not to get vaccinated, but people also will use it as a reason to get vaccinated.

[Hondaracer]

The numbers will tell if the passport was effective or not. If the percentage of people who get vaccinated due to being shut out of “non-essential” businesses only goes up a percent or 2, id say the program was a failure.

[hud 91gt]

:sigh:

[supafamous]

The numbers will tell if the passport was effective or not. If the percentage of people who get vaccinated due to being shut out of “non-essential” businesses only goes up a percent or 2, id say the program was a failure.

https://twitter.com/j_mcelroy/status/1433243360031088645?s=20 - It appears to be working.

That said, we're at the point of diminishing returns so a 1-2% increase in vaccinations would be a pretty meaningful victory. The pool is relatively small of people who aren't vaccinated now but we're still not at herd immunity.

The lady who cuts my hair has been resisting a shot for months until I told her she'd be banned from restaurants etc - even though she doesn't use any of those businesses she said she'd go get her shot now. Little things like that add up.

[whitev70r]

Most businesses owners interviewed are in favour of vaccine passport (unless they are not airing those who disagree with it). They say it is one way to keep their businesses open as we are in the midst of a 4th wave. They don't want to shut down again and again and again.

Vaccine passports also makes other customers feel safer.

Eff the anti-vaxxers, you'll have to order take out, watch the Canucks game on TV, have your groceries delivered.

[320icar]

Nevermind.

[Hondaracer]

Groceries essential.

Also fast food and food courts are not part of the checks.

[westopher]

Yep. All these people sharing these nazi meme comparisons talking about how their rights are violated and they aren’t allowed to go to the grocery store or move freely throughout their country seem to not realize
A) you can go to the grocery store
B) you can move wherever you want to in Canada. You just can’t fucking fly there utilizing a private business. Walk, drive, figure it the fuck out.
If you got better at medicine than a doctor from watching a few you tube vids, watch a few more and build a fuckin plane.

[Hondaracer]

Most people bitching probably never patronize different restaurants anyways lol..

Like what you go to your little shitty pub once a month and now it’s like nazi Germany? Fuck

[JDMDreams]

^^ but it's ma rights to pee on your establishments for telling me what to do:joy:

[spoon.ek9]

a few points to make:

1. It seems some people don't understand that you only go to ICU when your chances of dying are very high. Increasing ICU capacity isn't a meaningful solution because your plan shouldn't be based on the final stage before death. At our ICU, capacity wasn't increased throughout this entire ordeal. What did happen was that every room was converted to a negative pressure setup. Other wards were converted to isolated wings in order to deal with the influx of covid patients that didn't require ICU care.

2. Healthcare workers and hospitals are NOT ok with flu. If we as a society were ok with it, there wouldn't be a yearly vaccine for it. Think about that logic for just a second. Also, the flu can be dangerous but clearly not as deadly as covid has been. I believe it was 2017/2018 when our hospital had a huge flu season to deal with. Emergency wait times were 5-6 hours just to be seen. I'm not sure anyone who doesn't work in hospital can imagine the intense amount of stress that is involved with knowing there's 100-200 people in and outside the waiting room. One of the patient care coordinators (PCC) couldn't even sleep because she knew what kind of shit show was waiting for her once she came back to work the next day.

3. Increasing staffing is not as easy as it sounds. Training cannot and should not be "expedited". Rushing through and/or incomplete training will lead to issues, errors and possibly death. The pressure of speeding up the process in itself could motivate students to quit if they feel like they don't have adequate time to learn; especially since lives are on the line in these professions.

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The solution to all of this is obviously very complex. I think the vast majority of us can agree that prevention is the best route to handling things. We started with distancing, mask usage and heightened sanitizing. We moved onto vaccination. We enjoyed a brief moment of normalcy. The unvaccinated drove the new variant to prominence in our communities. We had to revert back to distance and masks because of this despite being vaccinated. So yes, it makes sense to temporarily deny the unvaccinated access to non-essential services so that the rest of society can continue on.

Side note on staffing: I've worked 316 hours of OT this year alone so far. Basically every department is short of people. All sorts of staff have been working extra hours (sometimes for free out of the kindness of their hearts). It is quite understandable that healthcare workers are tired, stressed, overworked, and upset with the way certain segments of our society are behaving (ie the most recent protest outside of VGH). Most people who look at our situation and how reliant it can be on the collective intelligence of society, don't really want to step in and do this type of work.

[68style]

I was at my condo’s gym last night and a guy who sometimes talks to me in the building told me he’d been on the fence the entire time about the vaccine not because he’s anti-vax but he felt nervous how short it was developed in and he doesn’t leave his house much but he told me he finally went to get it because he wanted to go to the gym and not be super paranoid and because of the passport thing.

I know at least 1 other guy that went to get it last week too because he’s been lazy the whole time and doesn’t work in the public but he decided to do it because he’s not going to be able to go anywhere.

So I guess it’s at least pushing the people who were on the fence.

[68style]

Thanks for the eye opener spoon.ek9… man people need to stop thinking they know how shit works and have all the answers.

[Hondaracer]

My company came out with their mandatory vaccine policy last week and your testament for vaccination yesterday. A very basic statement you sign off on saying if your single vaxxed or double vaxxed and the date of the second vaccination. No proof needed etc.

If you don’t want to declare it whether you’re vaccinated or not, you will have to sign out rapid tests and perform those rapid tests every single day prior to the start of work.

Thought it was completely fair and I had no problem signing off on the testament as I didn’t have to provide proof or my health number etc. Of course on the same day we had a union meeting and the union came out and said somthing along the lines of “all the company thinks of you is spit since you need to do rapid tests!”

It’s like Jesus Christ just shut the fuck up already

[Manic!]

They call you sheep call them a pussy.

https://youtu.be/XAjQQG_uT_E

[320icar]

Hope those rapid tests and shit are all off the clock and paid for by the person

[68style]

They call you sheep call them a pussy.

Reminds me of a “No Fear” shirt I had in the 90’s :D

https://pictures.depop.com/b0/9673471/530668787_7FrvO5pEna/P0.jpg

[SkinnyPupp]

Thanks for the eye opener spoon.ek9… man people need to stop thinking they know how shit works and have all the answers.
He works for "the government" don't believe a word he says BrokeBack

[unit]

I was at my condo’s gym last night and a guy who sometimes talks to me in the building told me he’d been on the fence the entire time about the vaccine not because he’s anti-vax but he felt nervous how short it was developed in and he doesn’t leave his house much but he told me he finally went to get it because he wanted to go to the gym and not be super paranoid and because of the passport thing.


some people who are this way are just using as an excuse i find.. i have a friend who said she is not anti vax but shes hesitant because she feels that it was 'rushed'. i asked her if i could show her that it wasn't rushed in the sense that they cut corners and she didn't respond to my offer lol

[SkinnyPupp]

I similarly had a friend who was "wait and see" who got it today along with 5 "wait and see" coworkers SeemsGood

The "wait and see" people are at least coming around, and were never complete idiots, just misunderstood.

[Manic!]

Jason Kenny now bragging his province is the first to offer $100 for anyone who gets vaxxed. That's not something to be proud of.

[whitev70r]

Like I said earlier, with FDA approval for Pfizer, the reasonable 'wait and see' crowd should be swayed. There are some anti-vaxxers that publicly will say softer things like, 'we'll wait and see' but they are closet anti-vaxxers.

FDA approval and vaccine passports is separating the cautious ones from the wacko ones.

[SkinnyPupp]

For GGNore and people thinking along those lines, please read:

Don't Panic Over Waning Antibodies. Here's Why (https://leaps.org/how-long-do-covid-antibodies-last/what-happened-in-the-past)

Luckily, the vaccines generate B cells that get relegated to our memory banks and these memory B cells are able to produce high levels of antibodies to fight the virus if they see it again. Amazingly, these memory B cells will actually produce antibodies adapted against the COVID variants if they see a variant in the future, rather than the original antibodies directed against the ancestral strain. This is because memory B cells serve as a blueprint to make antibodies, like the blueprint of a house. If a house needs an extra column (or antibodies need to evolve to work against variants), the blueprint will oblige just as memory B cells will!

-Monica Gandhi MD, MPH; infectious diseases and HIV doctor at UCSF

[320icar]

I guess the metadata collected from google with all the antivax people in this thread has triggered some new ads

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[whitev70r]

Damn .. in AB, $100 if you get a vaccine!

But then, earlier, I think they had a $1M lottery if you get a vaccine!

What a joke ...

[MarkyMark]

Maybe they should raffle off a fully loaded F-350 and a years worth of smokes if you get the vaccine that would probably do the trick.

[SkinnyPupp]

Damn .. in AB, $100 if you get a vaccine!

But then, earlier, I think they had a $1M lottery if you get a vaccine!

What a joke ...
Only like 30% of people over 70 here are vaccinated... The housing authority did a test run by giving out 1kg bags of rice with vaccination for elderly people in a low income area. So many people showed up that they had to turn them away...

Sometimes all you need is some incentive. And old people here will line up for hours for free rice LUL

They interviewed some people and they said they didn't know how to book online, and others said that their doctor told them to "wait and see". Some just wanted the free rice (they've done open walk ins before).

$100 is pretty sweet.. It feels like a waste of tax dollars, but the alternative is having fewer vaccinated people so I'd say it's worth it.

[whitev70r]

^ I get that in HK with people over 70. But that's clearly not the case in AB.

And yah, shout "FREE" and you'll have a swarm of Asian people ... doesn't matter what or if they need it, they will run to line up and get it.

[SkinnyPupp]

^ I get that in HK with people over 70. But that's clearly not the case in AB.

And yah, shout "FREE" and you'll have a swarm of Asian people ... doesn't matter what or if they need it, they will run to line up and get it.
1KG bags of rice are worth like $2-3 USD if you buy bags that small.. A lot of these people really are poor, but still it's crazy that's the incentive!

I remember when flights started requiring sealable bags, and when the airport put them out, people would just hoard them by the handful, I saw it with my own eyes. After that I think you had to ask for one

[Manic!]

Kenny is giving away $100 after he cut nurse's pay. I hear the amount they are giving out is about the same he cut from nurses.

[mikemhg]

Those people who protested at VGH are knuckle dragging fuckheads.

I feel bad for my GF and the other nurses and doctors that work there, imagine being praised to being villainized in the span of a year.

If you want to protest, do you, but you can't disrupt the activity of the main and primary hospital in the province. It's funny to me, these are the same people that when contracted with COVID, run straight to the same hospital for treatment.

The reality is, this has nothing to do with the vaccine. There's been 5 billion vaccinations given out since its development, if there were any major issues, wouldn't we hear about them by now?

The truth is, these people don't care about the efficacy about the vaccine, it's never been about that. This all really started the last few years ago, especially with the coming of Trump, it's this whole counter culture, anti-pc, anti-immigration, government tyranny bullshit.

It's not coincidental that the entire crowd of protesters were white, not a single shade of melanin were seen in that group. Many of these people are brushing shoulders with white supremacism groups (as evidenced by the swastika flags, etc).

These are people that are simply angry at the current state of the world, the "beigeing" of society, immigration, all the items I've listed above, very little of this has to do with the vaccine in itself.

Similar protests about "rights" and "freedoms" and comparisons to communism were levied in the 60's during the civil rights movement as a government tyranny being imposed on the public, and that segregation should be a choice and a right.

This is the current state of the culture we're now in, if it wasn't vaccines, this would've manifested itself in some other manner, attached to some other subject/controversy.

[SkinnyPupp]

https://twitter.com/MaxCRoser/status/1434228604666368007

[68style]

Yah sure, China is in the next lowest death category above Greenland. Right. Let’s all bow to their remarkable success with the virus…………

[320icar]

https://twitter.com/MaxCRoser/status/1434228604666368007

I love how China is technically a lighter shade than Canada. Get right fucked bud LOL

Edit: per 100k ppl, so then maybe ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ but I highly doubt that

[SkinnyPupp]

Yeah per 100K people rather than a flat number.. At 25 excess deaths per 100K, China is still probably above every other country there. They could be insanely higher, but who really knows.

You can read how they calculated it here (https://github.com/TheEconomist/covid-19-the-economist-global-excess-deaths-model). It's quite a wide range

[StylinRed]

If u read the article, they have no real data to go on from China, but estimate up to 1.5million deaths, so don't let the shading fool ya

[68style]

Well they also said Tiannamen Square never happened amongst many many many other ridiculous claims, anything to save face right?

[6793026]

when i heard the news for HK; those above the age of 80 in Hong Kong, the number shrinks to 8%. I was blown away on the percentage being so low.

I'm going to assume they have lack of accessibility as #1 factor and #2, they aren't readily able to get informed in the news.

[whitev70r]

Twas the night before ... school starts. My greatest concern is for kids under 12 who cannot get vaccinated. Universities ... well, most people in that age bracket is vaccinated, I think.

Let's hope for the best and this, I would gladly be wrong, but my uneducated guess is that it will be > 1000 +'ve cases/day in about a week's time.

[JDMDreams]

^^ enjoy it while we can. I've been to two restaurants over the weekend both were packed, at least at 85%+ capacity if not fully seated. No barriers or some seats less than 6 feet apart.:okay:

[SkinnyPupp]

when i heard the news for HK; those above the age of 80 in Hong Kong, the number shrinks to 8%. I was blown away on the percentage being so low.

I'm going to assume they have lack of accessibility as #1 factor and #2, they aren't readily able to get informed in the news.
I think the main thing is the "wait and see" attitude a lot of people here have, especially older people. We haven't had a single local case of covid in 3 weeks now, which is beyond the incubation period. So HK is essentially covid free right now - anyone infected came from somewhere else, and is in quarantine. So why take the "risk" of getting vaccinated when closed borders and insanely strict quarantine (which don't' affect these 80 year olds) are effective? Just wait it out, isolate HK and let the world deal with it.

This WOULD be a feasible solution, albeit an expensive one, if a vaccine didn't exist. But it does, so...

They are working to make it more accessible with more walkup vaccinations throughout the city. A lot of people can't book online. the other issue is doctors who have that general "wait and see" attitude, which as we know kind of works, but only as long as the borders are closed. Problem is, closed borders breaks the economy, and isn't a final solution, as much as localists and racists in general like to keep borders closed.

[impactX]

I think the main thing is the "wait and see" attitude a lot of people here have, especially older people. We haven't had a single local case of covid in 3 weeks now, which is beyond the incubation period. So HK is essentially covid free right now - anyone infected came from somewhere else, and is in quarantine. So why take the "risk" of getting vaccinated when closed borders and insanely strict quarantine (which don't' affect these 80 year olds) are effective? Just wait it out, isolate HK and let the world deal with it.

This WOULD be a feasible solution, albeit an expensive one, if a vaccine didn't exist. But it does, so...

They are working to make it more accessible with more walkup vaccinations throughout the city. A lot of people can't book online. the other issue is doctors who have that general "wait and see" attitude, which as we know kind of works, but only as long as the borders are closed. Problem is, closed borders breaks the economy, and isn't a final solution, as much as localists and racists in general like to keep borders closed.

It is catch-22, they will not open the border without quarantine because China's policy is to maintain zero infection (pipe dream). CCP leadership has to maintain this stance to justify their past actions of keeping the borders closed.

[SkinnyPupp]

Keeping the borders closed really is the most effective thing to do, even better than vaccination probably. It just fucks up your country in many other ways I guess

Zero covid can be maintained with a closed border.. but then what's the point?

Also what's the point of having zero covid when everyone still has to wear a mask, even outdoors FailFish

We have zero covid now, but can't change our lives to be anything resembling pre-covid.

[pastarocket]

-was reading this from News1130:


NEWS 1130: https://www.citynews1130.com/2021/09/07/bc-covid-vaccine-card-details/


We also know that British Columbians will be able to save their vaccine card to their smartphones. The province says a secure paper option will be available for the launch date.

The proof of vaccination requirement doesn’t just apply to locals, but to everyone coming to B.C. too. That means Canadians visiting from out of province will have to show their province or territory’s officially recognized vaccine record as well as government ID from that province or territory. International visitors will have to show the proof of vaccination they used to enter the country, as well as their passport.

Premier John Horgan is expected to join Provincial Health Officer Dr. Bonnie Henry and Health Minister Adrian Dix for the announcement Tuesday at 2 p.m.


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[6793026]

I can't wait to see what's going to happen.

For my grandma who is stubborn and not getting vaxxed, she can't go dim sum any more. You try talking to a 91 yr old in getting vaxxed....

I am however eager to find out how they will deal with fake stuff. Will it be a QR code restaurants will have to scan and it'll have to be green lid? or this piece of paper which my buddies are making fake print outs already be pass-able....

[impactX]

Keeping the borders closed really is the most effective thing to do, even better than vaccination probably. It just fucks up your country in many other ways I guess

Zero covid can be maintained with a closed border.. but then what's the point?

Also what's the point of having zero covid when everyone still has to wear a mask, even outdoors FailFish

We have zero covid now, but can't change our lives to be anything resembling pre-covid.

There is an agenda hidden somewhere... just like how they stopped renewing passports in mainland China and discouraging people from traveling. But they only started doing this this year.

Anyway. I think this generation of people is changed forever. I asked my daughter who's six to take off her mask after getting into the car. She ignored my request and fell asleep with her mask on... something that I would never be able to do. :lol

I can't wait to see what's going to happen.

For my grandma who is stubborn and not getting vaxxed, she can't go dim sum any more. You try talking to a 91 yr old in getting vaxxed....

I am however eager to find out how they will deal with fake stuff. Will it be a QR code restaurants will have to scan and it'll have to be green lid? or this piece of paper which my buddies are making fake print outs already be pass-able....

I would have some heart to heart talk with her to see what's her concern if I were you. At her age, she is quite vulnerable to the virus. If death is what she fears, it is the exact reason she should give the vaccine a try. There is no way anyone can live in a bubble and not get infected in the long run.

I have a helper from Philippines whose brother in her 60s and mother all passed away because of this virus. Her sister in 40s also got it recently too and is not recovering. All of them did not get vaccinated. With the vaccine, at least you can somewhat treat it like a flu.

[Hondaracer]

When you’re 91 what exactly are you worried about? Not reaching 92? Lol

[Presto]

Vaccination Card registration is up:

https://ministryofhealth.queue-it.net/?c=ministryofhealth&e=landingpage
Current queue time is 20 min.

[StylinRed]

Why does my estimated wait time keep increasing! I thought it was a queue!

[Expresso]

Why does my estimated wait time keep increasing! I thought it was a queue!

Not everyone knows how to use a computer.

[StylinRed]

Yeah this queue is bs... The queue I joined with my other phone afterwards has a lower counter than my pc

[TOS'd]

When will the passport be in effect?

[StylinRed]

It let me save as a pdf file on one of my phones, but my gf doesn't get to save hers as a pdf, the button for it isn't even on her screen

[Hondaracer]

guess shes SOL

[Spectre_Cdn]

It let me save as a pdf file on one of my phones, but my gf doesn't get to save hers as a pdf, the button for it isn't even on her screen

Wouldn’t it be easier to save a screenshot of it?

[pastarocket]

Yay! I waited over 30 minutes in the Health gateway virtual queue to get my vaccine passport QR code.

Finally, it is all set up. Saved the PDFs in the notes app of my phone.


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[Hondaracer]

So typical..

so i had all the required info ready to go, use that info to try and login, get an error

So i then used the BC services app and logged in through that, there was a bit of a hiccup loading it and it kind of refreshed itself and then the QR code popped up.. however, no way to save the entire card. No download as PDF etc. only the "Done" button at the bottom..

so i screen capped it but i dunno if thats adequete etc. uhg..

[westopher]

So unlike them to not have logistics sorted at rollout.:pokerface:

[MG1]

I'm in no hurry to get the passport. It'll work out eventually. Can't be any worse than waiting two full years (and counting) before getting my Nexus Pass. Applied for it in August of 2019. Interview is in Late October.

[Manic!]

Got mine queue was about 15 min on my laptop. They gave you no way to print it so I did print to PDF in firefox.

[StylinRed]

Wouldn’t it be easier to save a screenshot of it?

That's what we did, but dunno if a screenshot will suffice

[JDMDreams]

I don't see the rush either, you can still go buy groceries, unless you start going to none essential services such as going out to eat you don't really need it

[westopher]

There are people on RS that don't have agoraphobia, so they probably would like to do that.

[pastarocket]

Dr. Henry's news conference began at 2pm today. -give detailed information about the digital passport and addresses privacy concerns:

People must show identification such as a BCDL to employees at private businesses prove that you are the owner of the digital passport.

The passport does not link people's vaccination status to other health agencies or have any additional information about a person's medical history stored on it. She is addressing people's concerns about privacy.

[winson604]

No PDF as well so screenshotted too. Don't think it matters as long as they scan the code. If you want a printed version you can call and be mailed a card.

[spoon.ek9]

waited 45mins and got it done. used my laptop so i took a SS, slapped it into paint and cropped it. emailed it to myself so i could download onto my phone.

[Mr.Money]

48 minute wait time.


phone would automatically shut screen off, would still keep track and updated once i checked on it 10 minutes later...over and over....


easy peasy.

[BlackV62K2]

https://youtu.be/3O_7O9_nV10

Put on your tinfoil hat and have your JR bullshit detector on for this one. Sick for a day? Now arguing that all this other shit he put in his body works and it's the big pharma trying to say it doesn't for vaccine profits. Glad I got my refund for the Joe Rogan show here.

[Nlkko]

Yeah the average Beefs and Trixies digging coals and growing corn outa the MidWest gonna have a dedicate medical teams on standby to give them a bunch of cocktails of medicine including livestock meds but meds made for human, available for free, tested and used worldwide by all kind of regimes are somehow sus.

Fucking idiot.

[SumAznGuy]

I found this Dr pretty interesting when it comes to calling out JR.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGvlPeo5bNU

Also, for all those that said the Covid vaccine was rushed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPeeCyJReZw&t=582s

[BlackV62K2]

I need to send that doctor's video to a friend of mine who still hasn't gotten the vaccine cause there's not "enough" studies on it. But talks about all this other shit like being young, healthy, exercising, taking 'x' vitamins and waiting for herd immunity. Although with the vaccine passport thing now, he might change his tone.

[donk.]

Anyone else get shingles 2-4 weeks after your second vaccine?

My friend had it 2 weeks after, and i just got it about 3 weeks later, were both late 20s

Coincidence or not, seems to be links online suggesting its more common than not

Time to get more vaccines, lol

[punkwax]

^ I haven’t heard of shingles post-vaccine but apparently people are getting vertigo.

Mind you, it could just be people getting shingles and vertigo naturally looking to place blame on something.. who knows.

[SumAznGuy]

^ I haven’t heard of shingles post-vaccine but apparently people are getting vertigo.

Mind you, it could just be people getting shingles and vertigo naturally looking to place blame on something.. who knows.

Funny you mentioned it. There was a few days last week where my wife was experiencing vertigo-like symptoms. But now they are gone.
Her second shot would have been around 3-4 weeks ago.

[hud 91gt]

My dad got a full body rash. Looked pretty nasty.

[fsy82]

^ I haven’t heard of shingles post-vaccine but apparently people are getting vertigo.

Mind you, it could just be people getting shingles and vertigo naturally looking to place blame on something.. who knows.

i actually got severe vertigo a month ago out of nowhere. im fully vaccinated as well. i wonder how many more people had it after they were fully vaccinated

[donk.]

I had vertigo as a kid, being "drunk" 24hrs a day for like 3 days was not cool.

My co workers brother had vertigo like 2 months ago, dont know what his vax status was at the time tho

[StylinRed]

Alberta group linked to us based right wing group is threatening to sue BC over the vaccine passport, demanding exemptions for medical, religious reasons, as well as exemptions for conscience objectors

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/mobile/allow-vaccine-passport-exemptions-or-face-legal-challenge-group-warns-b-c-government-1.5577671

[fliptuner]

My dad got a full body rash. Looked pretty nasty.

I got hives on my forearms for a few days - apparently, a common side effect.

On the subject of getting your passport on your phone, I kept getting an error message after entering my details. Refreshed a bunch of times, to no avail. Tried it in desktop mode and worked fine.

[T4RAWR]

Anyone else get shingles 2-4 weeks after your second vaccine?

My friend had it 2 weeks after, and i just got it about 3 weeks later, were both late 20s

Coincidence or not, seems to be links online suggesting its more common than not

Time to get more vaccines, lol



My wife got shingles after her second dose.

She got pfizer if there's any correlation.

[hotjoint]

used my PC so i took a SS, slapped it into paint and cropped it. emailed it to myself so i could download onto my phone.

Exact same thing that my family and I did :fuckyea:

[donk.]

My wife got shingles after her second dose.

She got pfizer if there's any correlation.

Thats wack.
Double Fize for me

How long before she was back to 100%?

[hotjoint]

^ I haven’t heard of shingles post-vaccine but apparently people are getting vertigo.

Mind you, it could just be people getting shingles and vertigo naturally looking to place blame on something.. who knows.

My wife and I had vertigo about a month after our 2nd shot in July. It lasted a few days and wasn't super strong.

[68style]

… none of things are necessarily a causal relationship

[6793026]

yup, my friend's sister got it.

1st shot.. pain around side of ear. had to go to hospital. Lucky she caught it early. she was NOT happy.
2nd shot. Same thing, obviously cause it super early and went to doctors and had to take around 14 pills a day. I feel for her man, she's in her mid 40s.

[T4RAWR]

Thats wack.
Double Fize for me

How long before she was back to 100%?

2 weeks of meds with atleast a month of feeling like shit total.

Still not 100%.

She asked the doc if she could get the shingles vaccine and he said no.

[whitev70r]

The average cost of treating a COVID-19 patient who needs intensive care in Canada is estimated at more than $50,000, compared with $8,400 for someone who's had a heart attack, a new report says.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/cihi-covid19-canada-hospital-cost-1.6168531

[SkinnyPupp]

The average cost of treating a COVID-19 patient who needs intensive care in Canada is estimated at more than $50,000, compared with $8,400 for someone who's had a heart attack, a new report says.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/cihi-covid19-canada-hospital-cost-1.6168531
Combine that with over 90% of the people in ICU with covid are unvaccinated (and like 96% under 59), and you might have an idea of why they want people to get vaccinated.

These idiots are costing us everything.

[68style]

Add in the policing for their protests etc… Selfish pricks

I didn’t really know anyone personally who outright refused to get the vaccine, but I’m sure finding myself surrounded by a lot of people who won’t do the passport thing or are vehemently opposed to it. It’s so ridiculous, you check in on Facebook, review on Yelp, location post on IG… meta data your photos… huge corporations that actually care about where you go and what you do so they can sell you shit and sell your interests to others actually care to see this stuff. These people think the disorganized Canadian government gives a shit where they’re eating or what they’re attending?

Mind boggling.

Okay for giant corporations who go out of their way to hide what they’re doing with your info… but government openly does it and it’s a conspiracy.

[pastarocket]

https://www.citynews1130.com/2021/09/09/vaccine-passport-protest-vancouver-hospital/

WTF?????

Some of these meatheads want to protest next Monday, September 13th, near VGH again???

Mayor Stewart mentions that he is reviewing a series of options with the VPD chief:

When they happened last week, I reviewed the situation thoroughly with Chief Adam Palmer of the Vancouver Police Department, as well as our health authority. I understand that the province is also concerned about this type of action right across British Columbia,” Stewart told NEWS 1130 Thursday.

“We’ve reviewed all our legal options and are going to make sure people can get to health care when they need it and they’re not impeded in any way to get to the hospital.”

One option, Stewart explains, is a legal injunction. He says there are other legal avenues the city can take, but that an injunction would “be the most prudent one at this point.”


All these Covidiots protesters are forcing many patients, some of them cancer patients, having to walk to VGH in order to receive treatment. What a bunch of selfish, dumbasses.

I do not disagree with their right to protest. What I do not like seeing are these selfish fucks preventing people from getting access to health care.

If they want to protest, then they should just protest in front of government buildings where Horgan and other government officials make decisions to manage Covid.

[Hakkaboy]

Add in the policing for their protests etc… Selfish pricks

I didn’t really know anyone personally who outright refused to get the vaccine, but I’m sure finding myself surrounded by a lot of people who won’t do the passport thing or are vehemently opposed to it. It’s so ridiculous, you check in on Facebook, review on Yelp, location post on IG… meta data your photos… huge corporations that actually care about where you go and what you do so they can sell you shit and sell your interests to others actually care to see this stuff. These people think the disorganized Canadian government gives a shit where they’re eating or what they’re attending?

Mind boggling.

Okay for giant corporations who go out of their way to hide what they’re doing with your info… but government openly does it and it’s a conspiracy.

Not just that, but they are willing to show their ID to prove their age when purchasing alcohol/tabacco/entering a club or casino (if asked), but this is a big no no?

[68style]

Yah did anyone besides Gangsters complain about the BarWatch program? I know it’s a joke anyway but where were all the protests for that?

[Manic!]

The government has updated the vaccine card website. It's way easier now. No queue. Just type in your PHN, date of birth, and the date of one of your shots. Took like 30 seconds. Props to who ever designed this. This is some Google/Amazon type stuff.

[BlackV62K2]

These bums protesting were probably the same people asking for government handouts at soon as covid started. Brb collecting CERB, not working so go down the rabbit hole of internet misinformation, now have become a crackpot.

[whitev70r]

Time to get serious with the Covid protesters .. lock those idiots up, send them to the drunk hold tank even if it is for a couple of hours! Free speech and protest yes but disruption to health care, sick people inconvenienced, health care workers harassed and assaulted ... NO.

[Mr.Money]

Riot control really needs to step it up if they want to play.

[Great68]

I'll admit that I'm one of those fully vaccinated people who's not a fan of this program. It just rubs me wrong, just like when they banned having people over at your residence over the winter (That made me absolutely livid).

I'd like some more defined dates/milestones from the government as to when it will be removed. If it's milestone based, what are they and what happens if we never do reach those milestones (Like,surely there are some people who never will never get the vaccine no matter what, nor care about accessing the sort of services this vaccine card allows access to), so what happens then?

I'm not really worried about the personal information aspect, I think the government probably is mostly competent on that one (although I remember a few years ago when they lost a hard drive with unencrypted education records on it (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/virk-data-education-1.3238851), so never underestimate their incompetence). However, on that front I don't have social media really tied to my identity (No facebook, no twitter, and my google account is not in my real name)

I think why the Bar Watch thing was never as heavily protested, is that it's much less wide spread than this program, and you can easily avoid those places if you want to (I've never been to a place with Bar Watch, I always thought it was a program meant for douchey night clubs, which I'm not really into)

As for showing ID for buying alcohol/week/tobacco, is anyone on this forum young enough that they still get carded? LOL

The only thing on the list of activities that this vaccine card thing would affect in my life is access to sit in restaurants. And I know I'll cave because the wife is going to want to go out to eat sometime soon :P

[CivicBlues]

There is a time limit:

By order of the Provincial Health Officer (PHO), proof of vaccination is required to access some events, services and businesses. Starting September 13, you must have at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine. By October 24, you must be fully vaccinated. The requirement is in place until January 31, 2022 and could be extended.

Also, Asian pushing 40 - still get carded occasionally. Seeing my ID's birthdate usually elicits a guffaw from the cashier at the till.

[Great68]

Yes I saw that statement and was referencing the "and could be extended" note. That's pretty vague and open ended.

Would be helpful if they provided the criteria that would cause it to be extended

[inv4zn]

Yes I saw that statement and was referencing the "and could be extended" note. That's pretty vague and open ended.

Would be helpful if they provided the criteria that would cause it to be extended

Of course they're going to leave in 'could be extended', it would be monumentally stupid not to do so.

It's not some nefarious reason, it's in case shit goes further south and they legitimately need to extend the program so the majority of people can still do things.

And honestly, it starts in September with a proposed sunset clause of January, which means for about 3 months people will be using the system. You're ok with a minor inconvenience for 3 months, but not 4? or 5 or 12?

For the customer, this is truly a minor inconvenience. For the worker, yes this will likely be added stress.

[Coren]

Provincial Minister of Health Adrian Dix shared the demographics of B.C.'s ICU population at a news conference on Thursday as he repeated his perpetual appeal for residents to get vaccinated.

Dix said there are 130 people in intensive care in the province as of Thursday - one more than the number officially released by the health ministry on Wednesday - though he cautioned that Thursday's numbers had not yet been finalized.

Of those 130, Dix said, 111 are unvaccinated, 10 are partially vaccinated and nine are fully vaccinated.

Moreover, no one under age 50 who is in a B.C. ICU right now is fully vaccinated, Dix said.

That group - people in intensive care with COVID-19 who are under age 50 - accounts for 32 of the 130 ICU cases, according to the health minister's numbers. That's roughly one-quarter of coronavirus patients in intensive care.

As has long been the case, older people account for a larger portion of those hospitalized with COVID-19. Still, those who are unvaccinated make up most of the ICU cases among B.C. residents age 50 and older.

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/all-covid-19-patients-under-age-50-in-b-c-icus-are-unvaccinated-health-minister-says-1.5579272

[Great68]

Of course they're going to leave in 'could be extended', it would be monumentally stupid not to do so.

It's not some nefarious reason, it's in case shit goes further south and they legitimately need to extend the program so the majority of people can still do things.

And honestly, it starts in September with a proposed sunset clause of January, which means for about 3 months people will be using the system. You're ok with a minor inconvenience for 3 months, but not 4? or 5 or 12?

For the customer, this is truly a minor inconvenience. For the worker, yes this will likely be added stress.

Sorry dude, you're not going to convince me to like this "minor inconvenience". I told you how it is, and that I'll be complying but I'm not happy about it, nor do I have to be.

If it gets to 12 months with this vaccine card thing, then that just means the vaccines are becoming useless.

[CivicBlues]

It's an inconvenience for sure, but won't it give you even a little more peace of mind knowing the loud talker at the next table or the person blowing their nose in line at a concert is confirmed to have been vaccinated?

[westopher]

Thoughts and prayers for all of those that have to show a barcode on their phone when they walk into a restaurant.
You don’t have to like it, but your other option is to just have a full lockdown again. That sound like a better time?

[Great68]

It's an inconvenience for sure, but won't it give you even a little more peace of mind knowing the loud talker at the next table or the person blowing their nose in line at a concert is confirmed to have been vaccinated?

Thing is, I've been fully vaxxed for a couple months now, I'm not really worried about an unvaxxed person sitting next to me...

[Great68]

Thoughts and prayers for all of those that have to show a barcode on their phone when they walk into a restaurant.
You don’t have to like it, but your other option is to just have a full lockdown again. That sound like a better time?

Oh fuck off. I already said I'm fully vaxxed, had absolutely no hesitation to do so. Who are you trying to villify here?

If shit goes sideways enough that we have to go to lockdowns, it's not because the unvaxxed could get into these things. There are so many other vectors of transmission still open.

[donk.]

:inout:

[whitev70r]

Where is or what happened to Mr. HappySilp ...

[underscore]

I'd like some more defined dates/milestones from the government as to when it will be removed.

How can they really nail those down with how fluid the whole situation has been, when there's nothing you can use as a reference for how this will go?

[westopher]

Oh fuck off. I already said I'm fully vaxxed, had absolutely no hesitation to do so. Who are you trying to villify here?

If shit goes sideways enough that we have to go to lockdowns, it's not because the unvaxxed could get into these things. There are so many other vectors of transmission still open.
Lol I’m not trying to vilify you. I’m giving you the other option. Sound fuckin sweet? It’s literally a very slight minor annoyance compared to something that’s catastrophic for people’s financial well being.
Nobody fucking knows what’s gonna happen man. You think virologists and doctors think they know? They are the first to admit they don’t know where this is going. That’s how it’s gone so far, so placing definitive timelines just sets them up for failure and to have more dickheads protesting outside hospitals because they were “mislead.”
I’m not worried about unvaccinated people infecting me either, but what I am fucking worried about is when my wife gets redirected to the covid ward because these stupid fucks fill up the hospital again.

[SkinnyPupp]

For like 6 or 8 months (no idea what time is anymore) we've had to sign in whenever we go into any restaurant or government facility... It's not a big deal. Just have your phone out when you enter.

And of course the timeline is open ended, it's covid. Who the fuck knows what things are going to be like in January?

[MarkyMark]

I hope they implement this passport at my gym so less people show up lol

[Bouncing Bettys]

A QR code, whether on your phone or on a printed piece of paper, suggests that the government will instantly know exactly where and when you visit businesses requiring these passports. I am not really comfortable handing them that power so easily, as opposed to all the other methods they might do that which would require some levels of legal hoops to do.

Why can't it be a simple physical card that those businesses can check in person, like bouncers, liquor store employees, gas station attendants, etc. are all trained to do?

Are people still going to be ok with QR passports as the situation changes under a new wave to include more services, even essential ones, or to have to present them to travel to other health regions? What if they decide to prevent people who are "spreading misinformation about covid" or criticizing the WHO/CDC/goverment from accessing services and businesses? Then we are into a Chinese-style social credit system with little effort.


I have had covid, I am pro-vax, pro-mask (when it makes sense), and you might have even had me onboard with a physical vaccine passport. Can anyone explain how these QR codes can't/won't track your movements as apposed to a physical passport?

[Manic!]

A QR code, whether on your phone or on a printed piece of paper, suggests that the government will instantly know exactly where and when you visit businesses requiring these passports. I am not really comfortable handing them that power so easily, as opposed to all the other methods they might do that which would require some levels of legal hoops to do.

Why can't it be a simple physical card that those businesses can check in person, like bouncers, liquor store employees, gas station attendants, etc. are all trained to do?

Are people still going to be ok with QR passports as the situation changes under a new wave to include more services, even essential ones, or to have to present them to travel to other health regions? What if they decide to prevent people who are "spreading misinformation about covid" or criticizing the WHO/CDC/goverment from accessing services and businesses? Then we are into a Chinese-style social credit system with little effort.


I have had covid, I am pro-vax, pro-mask (when it makes sense), and you might have even had me onboard with a physical vaccine passport. Can anyone explain how these QR codes can't/won't track your movements as apposed to a physical passport?


Google and Facebook already know. Infact Google gives a history of what I did last month.

[Bouncing Bettys]

Google and Facebook already know. Infact Google gives a history of what I did last month.
That fact was included in the part where I said: as opposed to all the other methods they might do that which would require some levels of legal hoops to do..
You consent to giving them that information when you use their service. The government has to jump through more steps (meant to protect us from them) to get that information from facebook and google.

[Coren]

Don't want to be tracked? Get off the internet forever

[inv4zn]

That fact was included in the part where I said: .
You consent to giving them that information when you use their service. The government has to jump through more steps (meant to protect us from them) to get that information from facebook and google.

Yeah man, the government knowing where you are and what you do so they can sell that data for profit. Fuck that shit.

At least with Facebook and Google they have a legislated interest in the well being of the general public.

Oh, no, wait a minute.

[Manic!]

That fact was included in the part where I said: .
You consent to giving them that information when you use their service. The government has to jump through more steps (meant to protect us from them) to get that information from facebook and google.

But who reads the TOS. Making and delivering physical cards would take weeks if not months and cost a lot more.

[SkinnyPupp]

A QR code, whether on your phone or on a printed piece of paper, suggests that the government will instantly know exactly where and when you visit businesses requiring these passports. I am not really comfortable handing them that power so easily, as opposed to all the other methods they might do that which would require some levels of legal hoops to do.

Why can't it be a simple physical card that those businesses can check in person, like bouncers, liquor store employees, gas station attendants, etc. are all trained to do?

Are people still going to be ok with QR passports as the situation changes under a new wave to include more services, even essential ones, or to have to present them to travel to other health regions? What if they decide to prevent people who are "spreading misinformation about covid" or criticizing the WHO/CDC/goverment from accessing services and businesses? Then we are into a Chinese-style social credit system with little effort.


I have had covid, I am pro-vax, pro-mask (when it makes sense), and you might have even had me onboard with a physical vaccine passport. Can anyone explain how these QR codes can't/won't track your movements as apposed to a physical passport?
Want to point out I'm not pro-tracking or saying "if you don't do any crimes you shouldn't have to worry about it"

But what is it you are concerned about with "the government" tracking you?

Assuming they are doing this for nefarious purposes is a HUGE leap, but in case they are, what do you think their goal is?

Do you think there's some information about you in the QR code other than verifiable info about your ID and vaccine status?

Is there something in that QR code that wouldn't be on a physical ID card?

Is it more complicated for employees to scan the code, verifying the info "name, vaccination: yes" as opposed to looking at that same info on a physical card?

[SkinnyPupp]

For people wondering, a QR code is literally just text data converted into an image that can be easily scanned... You can scan it yourself to see exactly what it says. Whatever it says would also be printed on a card if they went that route, but that takes time and money for no good reason.

Assuming it's not encrypted, having a QR code is the same as having that info in text form on a piece of paper or a card.

There's nothing in a QR code that makes you any more traceable than what would be on a physical card.

[Bouncing Bettys]

Don't want to be tracked? Get off the internet forever
Interesting response. Not relevant or realistic.
Yeah man, the government knowing where you are and what you do so they can sell that data for profit. Fuck that shit.

At least with Facebook and Google they have a legislated interest in the well being of the general public.

Oh, no, wait a minute.
Yeah a legislated interest in the well being of the general public, no government has ever failed or abused that interest. No government has required oversight. :facepalm:
But who reads the TOS. Making and delivering physical cards would take weeks if not months and cost a lot more.
When has the Liberal government shown any concern for cost during this pandemic? Maybe the fact that it would take so long and cost so much would remind them of how important personal freedom, as it pertains to government, is to do it right. They have the power to set up emergency measures to throw all the money and man power at the problem of issuing physical cards. Or they could just save all that and let us use the vaccine cards we were issued, while they pump out better cards. Or they could have had some foresight and issued better cards from the beginning. All better options to eroding personal freedom with a trackable QR code.

[Bouncing Bettys]

Want to point out I'm not pro-tracking or saying "if you don't do any crimes you shouldn't have to worry about it"

But what is it you are concerned about with "the government" tracking you?

Assuming they are doing this for nefarious purposes is a HUGE leap, but in case they are, what do you think their goal is?

Do you think there's some information about you in the QR code other than verifiable info about your ID and vaccine status?

Is there something in that QR code that wouldn't be on a physical ID card?

Is it more complicated for employees to scan the code, verifying the info "name, vaccination: yes" as opposed to looking at that same info on a physical card?
Let's just say I went without a cell phone up until 2011 because I didn't like the tracking and listening in abilities. And the whole Edward Snowden/NSA story pretty much vindicated my beliefs to my friends pissed off with how hard it was to get a hold of me lol.

As I said, and I must point out I am asking here as I am no expert, a QR code would give an instant log to the government of the identity, time and location of citizens so they know where you go, when you go, and how often you go to various places. I don't believe they should have the right to that information without oversight or limits (have they not also indicated they could extend its use?), regardless of their intentions, good or bad.

Handing a physical vaccine passport to an employee of a business so that they may verify my identity and vaccine status, does not give anything to the government. Otherwise every time I went to the bar in my 20's would have told them I drank too much and wasted too much money. It is not difficult to train someone to verify the vaccine cards with ID since minimum wage gas station attendants have to ID people all day long for cigarettes and lotto.

[donk.]

Don't want to be tracked? Get off the internet forever

Also make sure to go back in time and never buy a cellphone or computer.
That cellphone and computer has been tracking your life for years. peepoClap

[acrophobia]

A QR code, whether on your phone or on a printed piece of paper, suggests that the government will instantly know exactly where and when you visit businesses requiring these passports. I am not really comfortable handing them that power so easily, as opposed to all the other methods they might do that which would require some levels of legal hoops to do.

Why can't it be a simple physical card that those businesses can check in person, like bouncers, liquor store employees, gas station attendants, etc. are all trained to do?

Are people still going to be ok with QR passports as the situation changes under a new wave to include more services, even essential ones, or to have to present them to travel to other health regions? What if they decide to prevent people who are "spreading misinformation about covid" or criticizing the WHO/CDC/goverment from accessing services and businesses? Then we are into a Chinese-style social credit system with little effort.


I have had covid, I am pro-vax, pro-mask (when it makes sense), and you might have even had me onboard with a physical vaccine passport. Can anyone explain how these QR codes can't/won't track your movements as apposed to a physical passport?

My wife hardly gives two shits about where I go on my own, so I highly doubt the government really cares that much about me to actively track me. If they do, prepare to be bored out of your bloody mind.

[SkinnyPupp]

Let's just say I went without a cell phone up until 2011 because I didn't like the tracking and listening in abilities. And the whole Edward Snowden/NSA story pretty much vindicated my beliefs to my friends pissed off with how hard it was to get a hold of me lol.

As I said, and I must point out I am asking here as I am no expert, a QR code would give an instant log to the government of the identity, time and location of citizens so they know where you go, when you go, and how often you go to various places. I don't believe they should have the right to that information without oversight or limits (have they not also indicated they could extend its use?), regardless of their intentions, good or bad.

Handing a physical vaccine passport to an employee of a business so that they may verify my identity and vaccine status, does not give anything to the government. Otherwise every time I went to the bar in my 20's would have told them I drank too much and wasted too much money. It is not difficult to train someone to verify the vaccine cards with ID since minimum wage gas station attendants have to ID people all day long for cigarettes and lotto.
QR code is just to verify your data though, not to tell anyone where you are... In fact I'd argue that they should have added tracking, so when there's a covid breakout they can contact everyone who was there.

[MG1]

My wife hardly gives two shits about where I go on my own, so I highly doubt the government really cares that much about me to actively track me. If they do, prepare to be bored out of your bloody mind.

Yup. I'm not important enough for anyone to give a shit about. Track me, please!

[fliptuner]

:lawl::lawl::lawl: Track my internet history.

[MG1]

Streaming Matlock Reruns.........

[CRS]

:lawl::lawl::lawl: Track my internet history.

See my avatar for reference for how the gov would react.

[underscore]

As I said, and I must point out I am asking here as I am no expert, a QR code would give an instant log to the government of the identity, time and location of citizens so they know where you go, when you go, and how often you go to various places.

Do you have a bank account? Do you use a credit or debit card at all? Any points or loyalty or membership cards?

I'm not exactly jazzed about being tracked by anyone either, but society has decided they're okay with it so there's not a lot that I can do about it. Compared to the 57 super mega globo corps that are tracking me I'm not going to be overly worried even if the gov't did decide to use this to track me. Anything they'd manage to log me doing is already available for purchase from several companies already if they really wanted to know.

[320icar]

Lol wtf is going on in here??

Some people have lived too privileged a life

[SkinnyPupp]

"the government" is not out to get you. It's a bunch of dummies elected by dummies who are trying their best to figure out what to do.

[hud 91gt]

Pretty sure that cell phone you happily carry around is a damn good tracking device too.

[MarkyMark]

Pretty sure that cell phone you happily carry around is a damn good tracking device too.

Yeah but he held out till 2011...So brave. I guess he'll hold out until the Vaccine Passport 4S is released before getting it.

[The Producer]

In fact I'd argue that they should have added tracking, so when there's a covid breakout they can contact everyone who was there.

this is the cliche'd slippery slope that I don't like.

i don't go anywhere and willingly provide "the government" with a footprint of having been there.

sure - our phones track us, and FB and IG and all that shit. currently, nobody can legally get at that information.

this feels like the first step in giving that up.

if you guys don't think electronic contact tracing is a huge issue - I don't know what to say. I don't want to live in a country where I could get a phone call telling me i'm on house arrest for 2 weeks because of where my phone has been.

[CivicBlues]

Oh noes the gubment noes where I 'gon be!!

1. Is there any indication of any tracking functionality in the QR code scanner? - No
2. What exactly is the government going to do with this information? - Nothing I can think of, and no confirming vaccination status is not anywhere near a "Social credit system" or "tracking". Except companies like Facebook, Google, Amazon do this and take this information to sell, influence, and generally control everything you see online - and you're ok with this?
3. Does anyone care you go to Cactus Club 3 times a week? - Fuck no but maybe the 20-year old waitress you keep stalking will start to notice a pattern.

[Hondaracer]

To be fair, even these mega corps being referred to here never thought location data, cookies, etc would be worth shit 10-15 years ago

Now personal data is one of the most coveted marketing machines available and this data is worth untold amounts of money to these companies.

Eventually the govt. is going to want a peice of that whether they are doing anything with it now or not.

[westopher]

Honestly I’d rather the govt collect my data and sell it to pay for social programs and taxes, than have FB have it for a marketing algorithm and then lose all my info to hackers.
Boom I just paid off our trillion dollar deficit.

[winson604]

Being someone who is very laxed and looks at things pretty simplistically I haven't once thought about a rights, privacy etc angle. To me it's a new rule that's being put in place saying if I want to do X I need to provide X. Balls in my court if I want to provide it plain and simple. To me it's no different than going to a bar and having to present my ID. It really doesn't bug me one bit. I just feel bad for businesses having to enforce because you know people will be all up in their face about it.

[CivicBlues]

To be fair, even these mega corps being referred to here never thought location data, cookies, etc would be worth shit 10-15 years ago

Now personal data is one of the most coveted marketing machines available and this data is worth untold amounts of money to these companies.

Eventually the govt. is going to want a peice of that whether they are doing anything with it now or not.

15 years ago was 2006 old man :fullofwin:, Guaranteed that's what Facebook business model was built on at the time.

[SkinnyPupp]

this is the cliche'd slippery slope that I don't like.

i don't go anywhere and willingly provide "the government" with a footprint of having been there.

sure - our phones track us, and FB and IG and all that shit. currently, nobody can legally get at that information.

this feels like the first step in giving that up.

if you guys don't think electronic contact tracing is a huge issue - I don't know what to say. I don't want to live in a country where I could get a phone call telling me i'm on house arrest for 2 weeks because of where my phone has been.
Then you have to consider what kind of country you live in that you would be giving up your location data to.

Are you in a country with a fascist regime that keeps track of its citizens to quell any potential "threats" at any given time? Or one that tries to control society by docking "points" to people for going certain places?

Or are you in one with an elected liberal government that just wants their citizens to be safe, and if tracking people to keep them informed on covid outbreaks does that, it's something to consider.

Maybe there's a slippery slope, and one day Canada will be conquered by fascists - I mean America voted one in 5 years ago, and Texas is going crazy right now - but I wouldn't worry too much about it. The rhetorical scenario you brought up, can you honestly see that happening? Really? Where do you go that would even get you placed under arrest? (maybe don't answer that lol)

[The Producer]

Oh noes the gubment noes where I 'gon be!!

1. Is there any indication of any tracking functionality in the QR code scanner? - No
2. What exactly is the government going to do with this information? - Nothing I can think of, and no confirming vaccination status is not anywhere near a "Social credit system" or "tracking". Except companies like Facebook, Google, Amazon do this and take this information to sell, influence, and generally control everything you see online - and you're ok with this?
3. Does anyone care you go to Cactus Club 3 times a week? - Fuck no but maybe the 20-year old waitress you keep stalking will start to notice a pattern.

I know that there is no tracking functionality implemented in the scanner. I have my passport, and I look forward to continuing to frequent my favourite restaurants.

I posted my response to SP advocating for actual government phone tracking - something that AFAIK is being used in some countries right now, implemented as a response to covid.

As with all of the covid mandates - I don't like the idea of normalizing any of these measures.

[The Producer]

Or are you in one with an elected liberal government that just wants their citizens to be safe, and if tracking people to keep them informed on covid outbreaks does that, it's something to consider.



i sincerely hope that this is never even considered here.

it's the exact slippery slope I'm talking about.

[The Producer]

Really? Where do you go that would even get you placed under arrest? (maybe don't answer that lol)

a mandatory quarantine implemented by a covid tracking app is house arrest.

i can honestly see that happening.

not only do I see it happening, if this goes on long enough - I think part of the population will ask for it. people have been begging for a tracking app now for over a year - it's even baked into my phone now.

EDIT: sorry this came out as multiple posts notification gang

[whitev70r]

^ but the app would just be the method to effectively carry out the rules with more precision. Right now, if you have Covid you are required to isolate for 10 days. If you have been in contact with someone positive, you are not required to isolate, just monitor yourself for symptoms. If you have symptoms, go and get tested. If positive, then isolate for 10 days. How is tracking going to be Draconian and deprive you of your freedoms?

Sorry but I'm not seeing the nefarious intent behind the tracking. All I'm hearing is David Eby and the Civil Liberty Rights group saying ... 'oh the police will know that you've been here or there and can infringe on your privacy'. Where did you go bro that you're so concerned about police knowing? Asian massage parlour ... someone's speakeasy room for underground mahjong?

[StylinRed]

Even Australia uses that type of tracking, its been highly effective for them to target exposure routes, trace infected, and possible infections, it doesn't help them to keep people in check

hell even in China its just been an effective trace/warning feature

Instead of forcing a whole city to lockdown, its just telling those who've been exposed to stay at home

[Traum]

Then you have to consider what kind of country you live in that you would be giving up your location data to.

Are you in a country with a fascist regime that keeps track of its citizens to quell any potential "threats" at any given time? Or one that tries to control society by docking "points" to people for going certain places?

Or are you in one with an elected liberal government that just wants their citizens to be safe, and if tracking people to keep them informed on covid outbreaks does that, it's something to consider.

This ^^

Yes, we have CSIS here in Canada too, and undoutedly, our Canadian intelligence people would inevitably have to work with some less desirable governments *cough* US *cough* that might access some of our privacy information. Still, at the end of the day, I have far more trust in the Canadian federal and provincial government than I have for Google and FB, and those two companies already know a heck of a lot about me.

I would absolutely not be OK with the type of vaccination passport that has been implemented in Hong Kong. Nor would I be OK with the amount of government surveillence in China. But that's why I am not there, and wouldn't ever set foot at those places until their facist governments crumble. But in Canada? Oh please... the only thing I would not be OK with is if Cain were to show up at my door trying to give me a VI.