[westopher]

Those landlords are in for commercial rents that are 40% of what they are used to getting, or 0% for that matter. If they are willing to let everyone else get fucked and think they are immune, hopefully they get fucked worse.

[underscore]

Heard a couple bro’s walking their pittys talking to two other strangers walking about how this was never that serious and the flu kills more people etc pretty sure the phrase “we ain’t scared” came up the the fellow strangers they were talking to whole heartedly agreed lol

That's the kind of stuff that has me worried avout the second wave. Because BC has done well so far more people may not take it seriously enough the second time.

[Hehe]

Those landlords are in for commercial rents that are 40% of what they are used to getting, or 0% for that matter. If they are willing to let everyone else get fucked and think they are immune, hopefully they get fucked worse.

I'm a commercial LL and I will share my side of story.

Many of us are quite heavily leveraged, meaning that we have a LTV of 60% or more (some of them as bad as 85-90% by doing some "creative financing") and in the golden days, we are pretty much MAXED OUT in term of cashflow (meaning whatever we get goes into mortgage/loan payment to always MAXIMIZE the amount of properties we can take on)

Some of us are lucky enough to have a buffer of a few months but that's about it. It's NOT that we aren't willing to share the difficult times, it's just that the other alternative is for us to go bankrupt or default.

Too many people think that LL are just some bloodsucking SOB who does nothing other than hoarding huge amount of assets and does nothing all day except eating bomboms and fucking bitches. I do know a very lucky few who are in their RETIREMENT (or those who inherited a crap load) who are basically that... but the MAJORITY of active Commercial RE investors I know are living their life just as difficult as others. We are just in different business, but life is just as harsh.

Now, taking those rants out... I'd explain my own situation, which I think can help out those who are leasing a property.

Ever since the whole pandemic broke out, even before shit hit the fans with lockdown and everything, I already fired a few emails to all my tenants asking about their situation (both financially and operationally) and how they plan to prepare for this. Then, we made several plans (along with the necessary paperwork) that would help us both through this time. These plans go from the very light effect to the worst-case scenario imaginable. We laid out terms for each of them and a solution that can satisfy both sides.

The details don't really matter, what matters is CONSTANT COMMUNICATION AND PREPARATION. I believe this is the best approach to this unprecedented uncertainty that we are facing. My business works only when my tenants can continue paying me, meaning they have to make enough money from theirs. So, I don't expect to be able to make money in this situation, but I also don't want my tenants think they can get away without doing anything.

So, my suggestion is that talk to your LL, be honest and frank with them. Let them know your difficulties, and that you WILL FAIL if things just don't go the way you plan even when you are doing the best you can. Thus, you want them to pitch in what they can do in order to keep you afloat. Each side would take their risk. If they just flat out say NO. Then too bad, you have a stupid LL or one of those bloodsucking SOB who don't think anything about their business because they simply don't care or don't have the pressure to make any effort. Because in a time like this, it might take me months if not years before I find another decent tenant paying the same rent, all while having to bear the carrying cost such as property tax and whatnot in between.

[SSM_DC5]

^so you deferring payment like what Obsidian is seeing? Or you signed up for CECRA?

[Hehe]

^so you deferring payment like what Obsidian is seeing? Or you signed up for CECRA?

Most of my portfolio is in US, so CECRA doesn't apply.

It's not a deferral, but neither is a waiver on the total, it's just a way we could both operate as far as our businesses go.

However, I said the detail isn't important as everyone's case is different. What's important is get in touch with your LL and start talking if you foresee your business could fail. Setup parameters/conditions of certain things kicking into effect, and those conditions are sth both side can work with while both side need to take a bit of hit.

Basically, by doing nothing, the END can come sooner than one expects and really it's in nobody's best interest. And the idea is to do everything possible to either find a solution or ride out the crisis.

[westopher]

Hehe sorry to include you in a blanket statement, I didn’t mean for that to be the case. I just am speaking about issues that you pointed out as well that communication and compromise is key. After all, landlord/tenants will be a lot better off if the work together. I understand if the landlord is in the financial position that they can’t budge, then it’s not because of a decision to just fuck the tenant.

[Hehe]

Nothing to feel sorry. I was just trying to share a different POV and make a suggestion on how I'd try to address the situation we are in now for those with a commercial lease.

[Obsideon]

I'm a commercial LL and I will share my side of story.

Many of us are quite heavily leveraged, meaning that we have a LTV of 60% or more (some of them as bad as 85-90% by doing some "creative financing") and in the golden days, we are pretty much MAXED OUT in term of cashflow (meaning whatever we get goes into mortgage/loan payment to always MAXIMIZE the amount of properties we can take on)

Some of us are lucky enough to have a buffer of a few months but that's about it. It's NOT that we aren't willing to share the difficult times, it's just that the other alternative is for us to go bankrupt or default.

Too many people think that LL are just some bloodsucking SOB who does nothing other than hoarding huge amount of assets and does nothing all day except eating bomboms and fucking bitches. I do know a very lucky few who are in their RETIREMENT (or those who inherited a crap load) who are basically that... but the MAJORITY of active Commercial RE investors I know are living their life just as difficult as others. We are just in different business, but life is just as harsh.

Now, taking those rants out... I'd explain my own situation, which I think can help out those who are leasing a property.

Ever since the whole pandemic broke out, even before shit hit the fans with lockdown and everything, I already fired a few emails to all my tenants asking about their situation (both financially and operationally) and how they plan to prepare for this. Then, we made several plans (along with the necessary paperwork) that would help us both through this time. These plans go from the very light effect to the worst-case scenario imaginable. We laid out terms for each of them and a solution that can satisfy both sides.

The details don't really matter, what matters is CONSTANT COMMUNICATION AND PREPARATION. I believe this is the best approach to this unprecedented uncertainty that we are facing. My business works only when my tenants can continue paying me, meaning they have to make enough money from theirs. So, I don't expect to be able to make money in this situation, but I also don't want my tenants think they can get away without doing anything.

So, my suggestion is that talk to your LL, be honest and frank with them. Let them know your difficulties, and that you WILL FAIL if things just don't go the way you plan even when you are doing the best you can. Thus, you want them to pitch in what they can do in order to keep you afloat. Each side would take their risk. If they just flat out say NO. Then too bad, you have a stupid LL or one of those bloodsucking SOB who don't think anything about their business because they simply don't care or don't have the pressure to make any effort. Because in a time like this, it might take me months if not years before I find another decent tenant paying the same rent, all while having to bear the carrying cost such as property tax and whatnot in between.

It's always enlightening to see the other side of the coin. People in general tend to see the jealousy perspective first. In this case I am also guilty, that our LL just sits on his thumb all day while collecting from all the tenants, just our building alone with us, the luggage store underneath, massage shop, bubbletea, Ice cream shop, and few others I figured they should be crushing it making mad coin. However unfortunately from what I know our building owner is one of those bloodsuckers (overseas from... you know where)

More often than not many people chat with me and say "Man you are so lucky, just living the life! All you do is chat with friends and drink booze all day while I'm stuck in an office."

My reaction:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7Zwdj9wcNI

They don't realize that I work 14 hours a day.
I've lived my life not comparing myself to others, and trying to stay positive.

[kr4l]

^x10000000

One of my landlords is loblaws. They don’t give a shit

[Manic!]

Good job Quebec.

Quebec says 41 students and staff have tested positive for COVID-19 since reopening

https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/quebec-says-41-students-and-staff-have-tested-positive-for-covid-19-since-reopening-1.4960628?fbclid=IwAR0bU94RaHZtehelyPn7fLdDkKyDG8u Z9dFzATzftPaG--JGlu_aUnL6zZ4

[bcedhk]

Plug time haha ... both our patios are now open :lol a bit of a pain for me to run to both patios by myself, been really short on staff too


how do you guys do PD measures at the patio? What if some passerby starts coughing outside the patio space? :heckno:

[westopher]

Yeah pretty sure that’s a calculated risk I’m ok with. What happens if someone in the car beside you coughs and you both have your windows down.

[meme405]

Those landlords are in for commercial rents that are 40% of what they are used to getting, or 0% for that matter. If they are willing to let everyone else get fucked and think they are immune, hopefully they get fucked worse.

That was toxic as fuck. It's as if you are blankly labeling every property owner as scum, and that they should get fucked.

Truth is many people who own commercial properties it is their business, and no they arent all tycoons, and millionaires. They can be pretty average people, and maintaining commercial buildings and properties can be a full time job. SO they are just trying to run a business, the same as mom and pop running a bakery, or hipster joe running an ethical bean cafe, or some hippie running a pansexual vegan restaurant. This thing is affecting everyone, and yeah if rents drop to 40% or 0% or people default and dont make their payments, maybe some of those LL will foreclose on their properties, and that's not good for the economy either, because the people who are in those buildings who are making their payments will likely lose their location in the midst of the whole thing.

At the end of the day the situation between the renter and the landlord is exactly the same, they can either weather the storm or not, it's all based on if they set money aside for a situation like this or not.

Makes no difference if you are a property owner, or a business owner, you over leveraged yourself while the economy was booming, and now while we hit a rough patch you realized you aren't adequately prepared.

But for some reason everyone wants to throw shade at the guy who owns the building, meanwhile the renters who are going belly up are all sob stories. Well I can tell you what, those business are getting a lot more aide then the property owners, so have a little humility and dont be an asshole, we're all in this together, and it's not a good situation for anyone.

PS: it's always a clear divide on subjects like owners vs renters, because anyone who rents resents people who own.

[MarkyMark]

After reading the last little bit I'm glad I'm not in the small business world, it sounds fucking cutthroat.

[68style]

Running a restaurant always gets romanticized on Food Network with all the celebrity visits and food truck challenges and stuff... but man... I can't think of a more high effort / time sucking endeavour than owning a restaurant.

[Obsideon]

how do you guys do PD measures at the patio? What if some passerby starts coughing outside the patio space? :heckno:

We don’t have that issue as we are on the second floor so it’s more of a rooftop garden terrace type deal. :)
I know what you mean though I’ve sat on Granville street patios, I think it was a Donnelly pub and getting harassed by panhandlers every 5 minutes was a total buzzkill

[winson604]

They don't realize that I work 14 hours a day.
I've lived my life not comparing myself to others, and trying to stay positive.

Lol can confirm. I've known Obsideon since HS and I remember as I was having fun on the weekends you know being a fucking teenager I would see him working hard away at then Daimasu and that was in a son helping the family business role then so you best believe he be pulling 14hr days now.

[SSM_DC5]

His hard work and long hours aren't all bad. He's got a nice car to drive home at the end of the day.:nyan:

[SkinnyPupp]

Damn Obsideon is from Daimasu? That was my go-to sushi spot in Richmond back in the day! SeemsGood

[westopher]

That was toxic as fuck. It's as if you are blankly labeling every property owner as scum, and that they should get fucked.


Lol get over yourself man. It’s pretty fucking clear I’m talking about people that are in a position to take a hit like the examples that have been explained by obsideon and K4rl that are referring to. Obviously if someone can’t make their mortgage if you miss a month of rent then it’s not their responsibility to take care of your business.
If I need to make it clearer for you, I have no issue with our landlords. They were happy to play ball, because they understand the symbiotic relationship between renter and tenant. We’re all in this together, until someone decides (without necessity) that they’re not. When that happens? Fuck em.

[GLOW]

Yeah pretty sure that’s a calculated risk I’m ok with. What happens if someone in the car beside you coughs and you both have your windows down.

some guy driving down a 30km/hr zone had his window down and sneeze out the window driving by i'm like :rukidding:
can't stop it

i also had to google what pansexual meant...had to read it a couple of times and process what the definition meant :lol

[meme405]

i also had to google what pansexual meant...had to read it a couple of times and process what the definition meant :lol

First time I saw the word it was in some chicks tinder profile, I also had to look it up. I'll be honest I still dont get the difference between it and bi-sexual, the bitch who used the word couldn't explain it either.

[SkinnyPupp]

If the last page or so of this thread is any indication, Coronavirus is pretty much cured, right? :badpokerface:

[Teriyaki]

News overload imo. It's not the new thing anymore, humans are dumb like that eh? We can only hold our attention on something for so long.

[Presto]

I went to go get tested for COVID, but the test came back negative. It may have been a false negative. I've never had a flu last this long.

I've had a fever for almost 2 weeks, and lost 10lbs. I'm already a pinner. The first 5 days, my fever was a high (104.1F). I experienced fatigue, bad chills, and aches. My fever broke, but it still came back at 102.5F. I spent another 4 days with that. On Friday, it finally dropped below 100F. I also got my appetite back. Now, I'm waiting for the fever to completely go away. Today is the most normal I've felt in a long time.

Thank God, my wife didn't experience the severity of symptoms I had. She only had fatigue and a sore throat that came and went.

I have no idea where I picked up this illness, but I suspect it was at the Wendy's drive-thru a week prior to my symptoms. The one by the hwy 1 exit in Langley had zero-COVID protections at that time. No plexi-glass, no masks. The kitchen packed with employees.

[bcedhk]

I went to go get tested for COVID, but the test came back negative. It may have been a false negative. I've never had a flu last this long.

I've had a fever for almost 2 weeks, and lost 10lbs. I'm already a pinner. The first 5 days, my fever was a high (104.1F). I experienced fatigue, bad chills, and aches. My fever broke, but it still came back at 102.5F. I spent another 4 days with that. On Friday, it finally dropped below 100F. I also got my appetite back. Now, I'm waiting for the fever to completely go away. Today is the most normal I've felt in a long time.

Thank God, my wife didn't experience the severity of symptoms I had. She only had fatigue and a sore throat that came and went.

I have no idea where I picked up this illness, but I suspect it was at the Wendy's drive-thru a week prior to my symptoms. The one by the hwy 1 exit in Langley had zero-COVID protections at that time. No plexi-glass, no masks. The kitchen packed with employees.

Or was it just a really bad case of food poisoning from Wendy's? Did you have symptoms like coughing or shortness of breath?

And bruh, BK > Wendy's, just saying.

[Presto]

BK in Langley is ghetto.

I know food poisoning from experience, and that wasn't it. Symptoms as previously listed.

[320icar]

I moved last month and have been waiting patiently to go back to ikea. I checked their websites to see if they’re open yet, and NO! The rest of Canada is all open but BC/AB remains closed.

Fucking excuse me?? You open up the east but keep the west closed? Number of cases are...

Bc ~2500
AB ~6000
ON ~25,000
QB ~50,000

How could IKEA think opening those provinces was okay but not bc/ab???

[SkinnyPupp]

I moved last month and have been waiting patiently to go back to ikea. I checked their websites to see if they’re open yet, and NO! The rest of Canada is all open but BC/AB remains closed.

Fucking excuse me?? You open up the east but keep the west closed? Number of cases are...

Bc ~2500
AB ~6000
ON ~25,000
QB ~50,000

How could IKEA think opening those provinces was okay but not bc/ab???
By posting those figures, you just explained why BC and AB are closed. It's working.

[Hondaracer]

Order your shit from IKEA inline and pick it up.

IKEA is like a hotbed for germs everyone and their mother touching literally everything, their return policy is excellent if you build something and it doesn’t work, return it.

Don’t see the need to go in

[Tapioca]

Local Ikeas are now doing curbside pickup. The spots fill quickly, so you have to order your stuff at midnight each day to confirm your spot two days in advance. $5 flat fee for curbside pickup service.

I ordered some stuff on Thursday at midnight and got a pickup time on Saturday morning. It was a smooth pickup and I got my items within 5 minutes of texting the dedicated pickup line.

[320icar]

Order your shit from IKEA inline and pick it up.

IKEA is like a hotbed for germs everyone and their mother touching literally everything, their return policy is excellent if you build something and it doesn’t work, return it.

Don’t see the need to go in

Last time I checked Curbside was also shut down. Online only with minimum shipping being $60 lol eff that

[Hondaracer]

Curb side has been open for the last 3 weeks at least because my brother in law and his dad have a contracting company that use a lot of IKEA and they’ve been using them for at least the last 3 last I spoke with them

[Hondaracer]

Went to Parallel 49 for a beer after walk last night, Jesus Christ this shit is wack af... fucking prison visitation

https://i.imgur.com/JLbDzC5.jpg

Many, many places are going to fail because of the regulations they need to follow. I believe P49 can have 80+ people in this space normally. They did a great job and have good procedures for their space but have fun smaller breweries etc. That rely on tasting rooms. I know of at least 5-6 in East Van that won’t be able to have more than 6 ppl at a time now.

[6793026]

I went to dead frog brewery. It's weird.
1) please don't work around, just stay in your seat and look at the board above instead of coming up to the tilt.

2) Table is 20 ft long, 6 ft portion to seat 5 of us, 6 ft on the other end for 5 more, the 8 ft between is neutral, we will hand off food here and you can pass the food / drinks down yourself to your party.

3) we will only serve you one side only, you can distribute within your group.

It's really weird but hey... i understands things aren't back to normal.

[Hondaracer]

So presumabely things will be like this until either A) they figure enough people either have it or have built up immunity to it that people can be in closer contact with strangers

or B) There's a vaccine.

Have fun restaurants.

[BIC_BAWS]

I walked around Pacific Center on Saturday. Nordstorm doesn't look like to have a capacity limit, tho not that many people in it anyway. Jack and Jones had a 8 person capacity limit. Lululemon had a huge line outside of it, "if you need help we're only a hockey stick away".

The Keg on Dunsmir, Cactus Club in Richmond, Earls at Station Square, and Chambar, are all by reservation only. But I think True Confections takes walk in, either that or it's dead. I did not notice a COVID surcharge, but it also wasn't a cheap weekend.

[Fafine]

went costco richmond on sunday at 330pm, was a mistake.
There was basically no wait to get in, and once inside there was pretty much zero social distancing with anyone in there. Was packed like pre covid.

[westopher]

So presumabely things will be like this until either A) they figure enough people either have it or have built up immunity to it that people can be in closer contact with strangers

or B) There's a vaccine.

Have fun restaurants.
Yeah realistically, like I said before at this rate 90% of restaurants in Canada will go under.
The other 10% will have to double their prices.

[320icar]

went costco richmond on sunday at 330pm, was a mistake.
There was basically no wait to get in, and once inside there was pretty much zero social distancing with anyone in there. Was packed like pre covid.

Call richmond bylaws and report them. If places are choosing profit over safety they deserves to be reported and inspected. Bylaw officers have shown up there time and time again and clearly nothing’s been done

[Hondaracer]

Yeah realistically, like I said before at this rate 90% of restaurants in Canada will go under.
The other 10% will have to double their prices.

Yea I didn’t really think about it too much in terms of the reduction in clientele but man it’s gonna be tough

Imo places like P48 need to institute seating times based on purchase. We waited for about 10 minutes to get in while there were multiple tables still sitting with no food or beer in front of them, just chilling chatting.

I know some pubs and whatnot like Woody’s, Jimmy macs etc have a huge benefit in their design and layout because they have already segregated rooms built in, so it’s far easier to have more people within their establishments

[S1 S2]

I moved last month and have been waiting patiently to go back to ikea. I checked their websites to see if they’re open yet, and NO! The rest of Canada is all open but BC/AB remains closed.

Fucking excuse me?? You open up the east but keep the west closed? Number of cases are...

Bc ~2500
AB ~6000
ON ~25,000
QB ~50,000

How could IKEA think opening those provinces was okay but not bc/ab???

Richmond and Coquitlam locations are reopening today.

[ilovebacon]

I stopped by Superstore today and it looks like there is no need for lines anymore, once you step inside and leave to purchase your food. There isn't a need to be directed to a cashier. Just stickers telling you to maintain 6 feet apart. Feels like things are starting to relax as we get used to social distancing.

A lot of people not wearing a masks though.

[Obsideon]

His hard work and long hours aren't all bad. He's got a nice car to drive home at the end of the day.:nyan:

Some long nights it's the fun drive home that keeps me sane :lol

Damn Obsideon is from Daimasu? That was my go-to sushi spot in Richmond back in the day! SeemsGood

Yeah it was our family business. Good times lol ... I think we were one of the first places to introduce happy hour.

I went to go get tested for COVID, but the test came back negative. It may have been a false negative. I've never had a flu last this long.

I've had a fever for almost 2 weeks, and lost 10lbs. I'm already a pinner. The first 5 days, my fever was a high (104.1F). I experienced fatigue, bad chills, and aches. My fever broke, but it still came back at 102.5F. I spent another 4 days with that. On Friday, it finally dropped below 100F. I also got my appetite back. Now, I'm waiting for the fever to completely go away. Today is the most normal I've felt in a long time.

Thank God, my wife didn't experience the severity of symptoms I had. She only had fatigue and a sore throat that came and went.

I have no idea where I picked up this illness, but I suspect it was at the Wendy's drive-thru a week prior to my symptoms. The one by the hwy 1 exit in Langley had zero-COVID protections at that time. No plexi-glass, no masks. The kitchen packed with employees.

It's a scary time and everyone is paranoid once sick. Praying for quick recovery!

went costco richmond on sunday at 330pm, was a mistake.
There was basically no wait to get in, and once inside there was pretty much zero social distancing with anyone in there. Was packed like pre covid.

I went to Costco for the first time since February last week. Monday at 2pm, a short line to get in. Once inside though it's exactly as you described, zero distancing and crowded aisles. Random coughs here and there. Felt like I was playing paintball and trying to dodge landmines at the same time.

Yeah realistically, like I said before at this rate 90% of restaurants in Canada will go under.
The other 10% will have to double their prices.

Talking to some peers in the industry it's pretty bleak for a lot of restaurants. Also 99% of the clubs are going to be gone by the time we are stabilized, whenever that is. Would be a funny sight to see some dude trying to grind a chick from 6ft away haha.

I guess it's a good opportunity for new spots to open right away as there will be almost no competition, $35 Jagerbombs anyone?

[westopher]

I'll be going out to sit in a restaurant for the first time tonight. Looking forward to it. I'll report with how it was.

[danned]

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/young-man-with-perspex-cube-over-head-portrait-picture-id200024668-001?s=612x612

[GLOW]

the minecraft look :lol
everyone's Steve!

[blkgsr]

my favorite indian place in coquitlam opened up last night for take out....god it was good

also got pho for the first time on saturday....so good

also sat in for the first time at a restaurant at the keg on sunday.....half capacity or less, actually kind of nice it wasn't so loud. unfortunately my steak sucked

[twitchyzero]

cautiously looking to see if there's any spike in cases by next week before dining-in later this month

ikea richmond showroom and checkout was fine but marketplace was difficult to distance and this was with a short line-up by the entrance

anyone returning to gym already? how's the booking system working out?

[punkwax]

RIP Westopher?

:badpokerface:

[westopher]

Happily there’s really nothing to report. Food was awesome, service was awesome. Seats were far apart and servers were wearing masks. Can’t wait to go back.
Vibe was missing a bit but that was more our fault since we went for dinner at 5pm like senior citizens.

[Obsideon]

cautiously looking to see if there's any spike in cases by next week before dining-in later this month

ikea richmond showroom and checkout was fine but marketplace was difficult to distance and this was with a short line-up by the entrance

anyone returning to gym already? how's the booking system working out?

Yeah that's smart especially with the protests and nice weather, lots of people be out. I really hope there is no spike.

My friend who goes to Anytime Fitness said it was pretty good, he went off-peak times but lots of plexiglass and santizers. But I've seen photos of other gyms that are not so cautious. I saw one that even had fans in front of some cardio bikes... :heckno:

[winson604]

cautiously looking to see if there's any spike in cases by next week before dining-in later this month

ikea richmond showroom and checkout was fine but marketplace was difficult to distance and this was with a short line-up by the entrance

anyone returning to gym already? how's the booking system working out?

Anyone know which gyms are actually already open? I know goodlife is the 22nd. I always did community centres but god knows when they will open and how that will even work. I'm itching so hard to get back into it will probably just bite the bullet and pay for a new membership.

[Obsideon]

Happily there’s really nothing to report. Food was awesome, service was awesome. Seats were far apart and servers were wearing masks. Can’t wait to go back.
Vibe was missing a bit but that was more our fault since we went for dinner at 5pm like senior citizens.

lol going at off-peak is a smart decision... not that there are any peaks right now... :(
Where'd you go?

[Hondaracer]

Went into metro today (god knows why I could have driven to a different Starbucks lol)

The food court was bumping and very hard to maintain social distancing, lots of places open.

Apple actually has 4 of their own security guards screening people outside and taking their temps before they line up:

https://i.imgur.com/pfnfjUn.jpg

And Lulu killing it, as a share holder and as it’s hitting all time highs I’m happy to see this:

https://i.imgur.com/mAJAW3I.jpg

Once I scoped it out a bit though I got out of dodge, only about 50% of people wearing masks and I wasn’t one of them

[BIC_BAWS]

Speaking of temperature checks, Chambar did it. But The Keg and Cactus did not. Limit is 37.5 C

Today I went to a client's to work on site, after 3 months of remote work. Gotta say, I'm enjoying the human interaction.

[Ch28]

Once I scoped it out a bit though I got out of dodge, only about 50% of people wearing masks and I wasn’t one of them
:rukidding:

[Hondaracer]

Ehhh I kept my distance and didn’t touch anything, I’ve got a big beard and outside of the super fitted fabric masks the surgical ones do nothing for me

Also cause I’m HARD AS FUCK! :badpokerface:

[Jmac]

Speaking of temperature checks, Chambar did it. But The Keg and Cactus did not. Limit is 37.5 C

Today I went to a client's to work on site, after 3 months of remote work. Gotta say, I'm enjoying the human interaction.
The temperature thing:
- Infrared isn’t 100% accurate and the acceptable range can be ridiculous (e.g. Mastercraft Maximum IR Thermometer is +/- 2°C whereas my $6000 FLIR at work is +/- 2% between 15-35°C (getting worse the further you get out of that range))
- Infrared ear thermometers are more accurate (my Braun is +/- 0.2°C between 35-42°C)
- Body temperature can fluctuate throughout the day
- Body temperature increases with exercise
- Different people have different body temperature ranges

So putting a limit of 37.5°C is just silly. I’ll hit 37.5°C easily after 30 minutes on a stationary bike (which I have tested; wake up at around 36.5°C, after exercise around 37.5°C, after resting an hour around 37°C).

[SkinnyPupp]

The temperature thing:
- Infrared isn’t 100% accurate and the acceptable range can be ridiculous (e.g. Mastercraft Maximum IR Thermometer is +/- 2°C whereas my $6000 FLIR at work is +/- 2% between 15-35°C (getting worse the further you get out of that range))
- Infrared ear thermometers are more accurate (my Braun is +/- 0.2°C between 35-42°C)
- Body temperature can fluctuate throughout the day
- Body temperature increases with exercise
- Different people have different body temperature ranges

So putting a limit of 37.5°C is just silly. I’ll hit 37.5°C easily after 30 minutes on a stationary bike (which I have tested; wake up at around 36.5°C, after exercise around 37.5°C, after resting an hour around 37°C).
I thought the same thing when places started doing that here... But really it's just to weed out the very obvious cases of fever. Nothing is going to be effective "enough" until there's an instant covid positive test people can take.

Better than nothing.. If you're running hot and can't get into a restaurant, go chill out for a bit, or try again somewhere else and hope the variance is in your favour next time lol

[Manic!]

For all those people praising Sweden Looks like they got it wrong.

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/top-epidemiologist-admits-he-got-swedens-covid-19-strategy-wrong

[mikemhg]

Joined a new gym yesterday, Fitness 2000, near Lougheed Mall.

It's good, already got in some pretty insane workouts the last few days, feels damn good to be back in the groove.

In terms of social distancing, there are measures there, but no reservations of times or any of that kind of crap. I'm happy with the gym thus far, it'll definitely suffice until another option is available. Also nice to see some Brentwood Steve Nash faces over there.

[Hondaracer]

Joined a new gym yesterday, Fitness 2000, near Lougheed Mall.

It's good, already got in some pretty insane workouts the last few days, feels damn good to be back in the groove.

In terms of social distancing, there are measures there, but no reservations of times or any of that kind of crap. I'm happy with the gym thus far, it'll definitely suffice until another option is available. Also nice to see some Brentwood Steve Nash faces over there.

you can visit the dungeon pub there once you're done with the workout lol

[mikemhg]

you can visit the dungeon pub there once you're done with the workout lol

Haha maybe I will :)

Kinda wondered why I kept seeing so many heavyset older guys walking down the hallway to the parking lot :lol

It all makes sense now.

I totally forgot about that spot, I remember I went there years ago to watch a UFC with some buddies, "dungeon" is quite fitting.

[Hondaracer]

Haha maybe I will :)

Kinda wondered why I kept seeing so many heavyset older guys walking down the hallway to the parking lot :lol

It all makes sense now.

I totally forgot about that spot, I remember I went there years ago to watch a UFC with some buddies, "dungeon" is quite fitting.

Yea used to live across Lougheed it’s actually a decent pub for what it is. But I think there’s an elevator from that building on top of it that essentially exits into the back entrance of the pub lol

[whitev70r]

Coronavirus can do some serious damage!

Doctors advise Nick Cordero's wife to 'say goodbye'

https://o.canada.com/entertainment/celebrity/doctors-advise-nick-corderos-wife-to-say-goodbye/wcm/013af83f-a5d8-462e-866a-1ee01f6ba1f7

Doctors looking after ailing Broadway star Nick Cordero have advised his wife to “say goodbye” as it would take a “miracle” for him to recover from his lengthy coronavirus battle.

The Rock of Ages actor has been hospitalized since March, when he was placed in a medically-induced coma and subsequently had to have his leg amputated and a temporary pacemaker fitted after encountering a multitude of complications.

He has since also suffered two mini-strokes and a lung infection, among other issues, and medical officials have repeatedly warned Cordero’s wife, Amanda Kloots, to be prepared for the worst.

[underscore]

For all those people praising Sweden Looks like they got it wrong.

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/top-epidemiologist-admits-he-got-swedens-covid-19-strategy-wrong

Not overly surprising, but what the heck is happening in Belgium?

https://nationalpostcom.files.wordpress.com/2020/06/deaths-per-100000-.jpg?quality=60&strip=all

[SkinnyPupp]

Belgium is a combination of a lot of elderly live in care homes compared to other countries, and they are also very liberal with their counting of coronavirus deaths. They base it on things like "were there confirmed cases here before" and if there were, and the person had symptoms before they died, then they get counted.

Realistically, most countries numbers should be closer to Belgium's. The graph would be flatter, but they'd probably still be near the top, along with Sweden.

[hud 91gt]

Just got back from Toronto. We are so lucky here in BC. Lol. I couldn’t find a god damn coffee or anything other then Tim Hortons and Pizza for 2 days while staying at a hotel. Lol.

[SSM_DC5]

The temperature thing:
- Infrared isn’t 100% accurate and the acceptable range can be ridiculous (e.g. Mastercraft Maximum IR Thermometer is +/- 2°C whereas my $6000 FLIR at work is +/- 2% between 15-35°C (getting worse the further you get out of that range))
- Infrared ear thermometers are more accurate (my Braun is +/- 0.2°C between 35-42°C)
- Body temperature can fluctuate throughout the day
- Body temperature increases with exercise
- Different people have different body temperature ranges

So putting a limit of 37.5°C is just silly. I’ll hit 37.5°C easily after 30 minutes on a stationary bike (which I have tested; wake up at around 36.5°C, after exercise around 37.5°C, after resting an hour around 37°C).

Other methods to measure temperature are more accurate, but how many people will be willing to stick a probe in their mouth or ear? What about the waste that's created from the probe covers? IR temps at the moment is easier for people to accept

[TOS'd]

Just got back from Toronto. We are so lucky here in BC. Lol. I couldn’t find a god damn coffee or anything other then Tim Hortons and Pizza for 2 days while staying at a hotel. Lol.
Where were you staying? I've had no issues getting takeout other than Tim Hortons or Pizza.

[320icar]

Went to the chatime bbt meet tonight. It was a 100% full parking lot and I gotta say I was very disappointed with the amount of people NOT wearing masks. It was packed, people walking in large groups, people vaping (which literally spreads your water droplets in a large way) and maybe 10% of people had masks.

C’mon guys...

[hud 91gt]

Where were you staying? I've had no issues getting takeout other than Tim Hortons or Pizza.
Airport hotel area. Everything closed. The hotel restaurant did some takeout but very limited hours. Even subway hours were like 10am-7pm. Downtown must be better.

[TOS'd]

Airport hotel area. Everything closed. The hotel restaurant did some takeout but very limited hours. Even subway hours were like 10am-7pm. Downtown must be better.

Makes sense, I think you could have been anywhere else in GTA and would've found many more options. There isn't too much around the airport.

[Hondaracer]

Went to the chatime bbt meet tonight. It was a 100% full parking lot and I gotta say I was very disappointed with the amount of people NOT wearing masks. It was packed, people walking in large groups, people vaping (which literally spreads your water droplets in a large way) and maybe 10% of people had masks.

C’mon guys...

People aren’t gonna wear masks, they haven’t from the beginning and now that it seems like the worst is over and it “wasn’t as bad as thought” there’s no way in hell the majority are going to start wearing them.

People will have to be scared shitless in order for everyone to start wearing them.

[unit]

sweden knew they were going to have a higher toll than other places, i think the point was they were trying to prevent a bigger second wave.

*taps forehead* cant get a second wave if the first wave never ends

[bcrdukes]

Airport hotel area. Everything closed. The hotel restaurant did some takeout but very limited hours. Even subway hours were like 10am-7pm. Downtown must be better.

Thanks for (not) visiting :alone:

[hud 91gt]

Yep. Pretty much. Nice to have a whole floor of a hotel to yourself though. Ha.

[Obsideon]

People aren’t gonna wear masks, they haven’t from the beginning and now that it seems like the worst is over and it “wasn’t as bad as thought” there’s no way in hell the majority are going to start wearing them.

People will have to be scared shitless in order for everyone to start wearing them.

Got an email from my supplier with this:
https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/11/66/67/19361245/3/rawImage.png

[MarkyMark]

So is not wearing a mask in a store mean you're an asshole now?

[mikemhg]

^That's what I've been trying to figure out.

[320icar]

Not an asshole, but if you have access to masks and choose not to wear them, then yes. Masks is to help reduce the potential spread in the vein of herd immunity.

For some diseases, herd immunity can go into effect when 40 percent of the people in a population become immune to the disease, such as through vaccination. But in most cases, 80 to 95 percent of the population must be immune to the disease to stop its spread.

For example, 19 out of every 20 people must have the measles vaccination for herd immunity to go into effect and stop the disease. This means that if a child gets measles, everyone else in this population around them will most likely have been vaccinated, already have formed antibodies, and be immune to the disease to prevent it from spreading further.

[g-velocity]

So is not wearing a mask in a store mean you're an asshole now?

When you trying to push your right (freedom of wearing a mask or not) over other people's right (minimize the chance of getting infected) that's what making you an asshole.

[Teriyaki]

I see it as anyone that chooses not to wear a mask in an enclosed space is an asshole. Especially those that provide it to you like Costco, and you still choose to not wear it.
I don't know how else to describe it except for being selfish.
"My wants and needs before everyone elses"

[MarkyMark]

I've really only gone to places where I can keep my distance, but from my observation 90% of the people here are assholes then lol.

[westopher]

So is not wearing a mask in a store mean you're an asshole now?
I think the irritating thing is the people refusing to wear a mask are also the people taking photos of restaurant, retail, coffee shop employees Et al. and writing shitty reviews and complaining about how they aren't taking covid guidelines seriously, or how someone touched their face or stupid shit like that. I'll wear my mask if I'm going to be inside with people where I may come close to others.

[sonick]

https://www.richmond-news.com/news/richmond-s-total-covid-19-tally-88-cases-so-far-1.24147058

Richmond has had one of the lowest number of cases of COVID-19 in the Greater Vancouver and Fraser Valley areas - 88 cases so far. This is about half the number of neighbouring Vancouver when population is taken into account.

This translates to 44 per 100,000 in Richmond and 83 per 100,000 in Vancouver.

[sonick]

Dr Bonnie Henry and BC's COVID response featured in NYTimes!

The Top Doctor Who Aced the Coronavirus Test https://nyti.ms/3cvqpPy

[The Producer]

Got an email from my supplier with this:
https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/11/66/67/19361245/3/rawImage.png

only way to 100% guarantee you won't get peed on is to stay out of piss range.

people still don't get it. :rukidding:

[Manic!]

Look who aced the corona virus test.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/05/world/canada/bonnie-henry-british-columbia-coronavirus.html?smid=fb-share&fbclid=IwAR1CAjJIawXaCBHkFvXdFaAjs7Hb5MMvbXqTGtb9s 47_KzRAnI699eCeo_U

[SkinnyPupp]

WHO finally onboard

https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1269025336521633793

[twitchyzero]

only way to 100% guarantee you won't get peed on is to stay out of piss range.


and you can't stay out of pissing range 100% of the time (ie. someone walks up behind you in a narrow aisle) so it's good to have redundancy

[SkinnyPupp]

I know people were looking for this info a few pages back:

https://twitter.com/j_mcelroy/status/1268664509205381120

[AzNightmare]

I was at Walmart earlier and noticed maybe only half the staff and customers wearing masks.

As I was leaving, I saw this aggressive "Karen" swearing and bitching at a staff and put her head around the safety "SD" barrier just to get more in his face. Neither of them had masks on, lol. Poor guy probably got spit all over him.

[SkinnyPupp]

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1269153565324574720

Remember not only is Coronavirus not over, it's actually worse than it's ever been...

Look back through the thread when we were wondering if it was going to become a seasonal thing like the flu

[sonick]

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1269153565324574720

Remember not only is Coronavirus not over, it's actually worse than it's ever been...

Look back through the thread when we were wondering if it was going to become a seasonal thing like the flu

Not surprises about south america increasing in daily cases due to news out of Brazil but am surprised about Asia's growing cases; which countries are that from? India?

Both Europe and North America are declining in this view.

[twitchyzero]

so Vancouver and Fraser East (Langley Abby etc) far outpaced Richmond in cases

and that genome shows most infection are coming from ON/QC and Europe

then to recall the argument few pages back LUL

[SkinnyPupp]

Not surprises about south america increasing in daily cases due to news out of Brazil but am surprised about Asia's growing cases; which countries are that from? India?

Both Europe and North America are declining in this view.
EU and NA are declining, just like the flu does once the "season" is over. Their cases go down, South America's goes up, then it goes back and forth between the two regions

[Jmac]

Not surprises about south america increasing in daily cases due to news out of Brazil but am surprised about Asia's growing cases; which countries are that from? India?

Both Europe and North America are declining in this view.
Iran is experiencing a second wave and just hit a new record high in new cases (higher than the peak of the initial outbreak). Technically they’re in Asia although most people don’t associate them with Asia.

[SkinnyPupp]

And yes, S.Asia - Pakistan, India, Bangladesh are getting hit hard now, with about 10K new cases daily in that region. Middle East is getting it too, and Philippines has yet to peak, and Singapore is still very much trying to deal with it in their inhumane housing projects.

Parts of EU are still dealing with it, especially Sweden which is a total disaster, and are learning the hard way that they very much took the wrong approach (only a fool would say that they ever took the right approach, imagine that) and Russia with another 10K cases a day

The FIRST curve was flattened, but it's not over. Protests certainly won't help, though you can't really fault people for protesting (at least for things that matter - fuck the people who were protesting to get a haircut)

[SSM_DC5]

I went to go get tested for COVID, but the test came back negative. It may have been a false negative. I've never had a flu last this long.

I've had a fever for almost 2 weeks, and lost 10lbs. I'm already a pinner. The first 5 days, my fever was a high (104.1F). I experienced fatigue, bad chills, and aches. My fever broke, but it still came back at 102.5F. I spent another 4 days with that. On Friday, it finally dropped below 100F. I also got my appetite back. Now, I'm waiting for the fever to completely go away. Today is the most normal I've felt in a long time.

Thank God, my wife didn't experience the severity of symptoms I had. She only had fatigue and a sore throat that came and went.

I have no idea where I picked up this illness, but I suspect it was at the Wendy's drive-thru a week prior to my symptoms. The one by the hwy 1 exit in Langley had zero-COVID protections at that time. No plexi-glass, no masks. The kitchen packed with employees.

Presto, you and your wife's symptoms gone now?

[Presto]

My wife doesn't seem to have any symptoms, now. I have had a lingering low fever (99F - 100F) since last Sunday. It seems to be getting better since I'm able to sleep and not drench t-shirts in sweat, anymore.

[MG1]

Uh oh............ I've had low temperatures for a while now. Never reaching normal. Must be the meds I'm on, 'cause I don't have any other symptoms whatsoever.

Dude (Presto), that sounds pretty scary........... it sounds you're one of the 85% that's going to recover from this.

[SSM_DC5]

My wife doesn't seem to have any symptoms, now. I have had a lingering low fever (99F - 100F) since last Sunday. It seems to be getting better since I'm able to sleep and not drench t-shirts in sweat, anymore.

Glad to hear you're both doing well. Did you need anything from the outside world so that both of you can stay home? Groceries?

[Presto]

Thanks for checking!

We had stocked up groceries a couple weeks before I got symptoms, and still had a 2 week supply. We also got a lot of family support. My mother-in-law would get groceries for us to cover the gaps in our supply. My mom cooked a few loads of food for us, and had my sister and her husband deliver it to us. We were quite blessed to not have to go out. Today, my temp is normal, but it could go up again. I haven't had sequential days of normal temps, yet. :P

[Hondaracer]

So Theresa Tam’s press conference a few days ago pretty much got buried but these stats mostly align with what she was saying, virtually 90% of the deaths in Canada from covid were located in retirement, long term, or acute care homes

Canada stats here:

https://www.canada.ca/content/dam/phac-aspc/documents/services/diseases/2019-novel-coronavirus-infection/surv-covid19-epi-update-eng.pdf

Some fairly telling stats that no one is seemingly rushing to report anymore

As of June 7th, 72% of the total covid deaths were people 80+

97% of deaths were found in people 60+

Again though, no media outlets have even touched on these numbers which are available to everyone on the Canadian govt. website.

On top of this all, as had been speculated before and shot down by arm chair “experts”

(Taken straight from the PDF linked)

“ Among the 189 hospitalized cases for which clinical presentation was reported, 143 (76%) reported having one or more pre-existing condition.”

[blkgsr]

it's stats like those that really make me feel the government needs to start relaxing some of the restrictions.

I was just a anxious and nervous as everyone else at the start of this but we need to be a little more realistic now. by no means am i saying open the boarders (even provincially) but lets get the restaurants and some entertain options open

[SkinnyPupp]

So Theresa Tam’s press conference a few days ago pretty much got buried but these stats mostly align with what she was saying, virtually 90% of the deaths in Canada from covid were located in retirement, long term, or acute care homes

Canada stats here:

https://www.canada.ca/content/dam/phac-aspc/documents/services/diseases/2019-novel-coronavirus-infection/surv-covid19-epi-update-eng.pdf

Some fairly telling stats that no one is seemingly rushing to report anymore

As of June 7th, 72% of the total covid deaths were people 80+

97% of deaths were found in people 60+

Again though, no media outlets have even touched on these numbers which are available to everyone on the Canadian govt. website.

On top of this all, as had been speculated before and shot down by arm chair “experts”

(Taken straight from the PDF linked)

“ Among the 189 hospitalized cases for which clinical presentation was reported, 143 (76%) reported having one or more pre-existing condition.”
What accusation are you trying to make here? Your language infers it, but you're stopping short of actually saying it...

It seems like you're suggesting that there's a conspiracy among the media to hide the fact that old people are more susceptible to coronavirus? I thought it was pretty common knowledge after Italy though... I mean it's pretty much the main thing about the virus that pretty much everyone knows... We've argued about it here, because there are some people who think old people don't matter (I bet some of them are now saying "all lives matter" but hey...)

The way I see it, we have a lot more information now. What we've learned is that by locking down, we were able to 'flatten the curve' pretty well. So well, that "pretty much" only the most susceptible (people over 60) were the ones to die.

We did a good job. It cost a lot, but we prevented a lot of extra deaths.

And now people want to start opening up, the hopes being that the actions we took were not really necessary... I mean the virus is still going around, at a higher rate than ever before.

I agree that we could open up, carefully, with closed borders to areas still affected. Masks should be compulsory. The expectation should be there that a lockdown will once again be needed though. I think it'll be tough to get people to comply though, based on what I see here and people like Joe Rogan pushing the narrative that we never really needed to lock down in the first place (not realizing that BECAUSE of the lockdown we got out of the main peak better than we could have)

[hud 91gt]

What accusation are you trying to make here? Your language infers it, but you're stopping short of actually saying it...

It seems like you're suggesting that there's a conspiracy among the media to hide the fact that old people are more susceptible to coronavirus? I thought it was pretty common knowledge after Italy though... I mean it's pretty much the main thing about the virus that pretty much everyone knows... We've argued about it here, because there are some people who think old people don't matter (I bet some of them are now saying "all lives matter" but hey...)




Haha ZING. Nice one lol.

[Hondaracer]

I think the media doesn’t go out of their way to report these figures that basically suggest if you are under 50 and die of Covid you might as well have won the Lotto Max.

Also, as I said, Theresa Tam in her press conference said that almost all Covid Deaths happened in long term care homes, literally the most vulnerable, ill, portion of the population.

I think the underlying issue here that no one in the govt. will likely have the balls to touch is that if there was accurate information out of China, proper steps could have been taken to enact a hybrid-type system somewhere in between Canada and Sweden where people’s livelihoods weren’t wiped out in 3 months time.

It’s pretty obvious when you step back and look at global numbers relative to the average age of the population that the older the population is, the harder they get hit.

India has slums the size of Metrotown with the population of Vancouver and Surrey combined living within them. However, their curve is following the typical trend of the rest of the world with probably some of the worst access to health care for the general populous. However, the average age of the population is only 29, where as in Italy it’s 45.

The rich get richer while the poor become destitute over what many assumed from the start. The general population is largely unaffected by the virus. Lockdown measures banning incredibly large gatherings obviously helped in transmission but keeping virtually everyone home who would likely be able to go about their regular lives regardless of the circumstances If basic PPE and social distancing was observed.

And yea, I get it, it was all about keeping the healthcare system from being over run, but by those numbers released and the fact that an incredibly small about of people ever even made it to the ICU it was likely well overboard in its planning because of the pathetic data sharing amongst nations that could have helped the most.

I also find it somewhat amusing that people are so outraged with the George Floyd murder (rightly so) however no one has ever said a peep about a privatized industry in senior health care that essentially let THOUSANDS of people to die laying in their own shit because poor procedures and an unregulated industry that was a direct result of govt. oversight.

But hey, we care about those old people!

[Jmac]

it's stats like those that really make me feel the government needs to start relaxing some of the restrictions.

I was just a anxious and nervous as everyone else at the start of this but we need to be a little more realistic now. by no means am i saying open the boarders (even provincially) but lets get the restaurants and some entertain options open
Look at how many states are just getting hammered now since reopening. Many are experiencing higher peaks now than they were in April.

We’re in a good position now, but if it gets rushed, we’ll still get fucked.

[twitchyzero]

curious to see the numbers few weeks after the protests began

[MarkyMark]

First day back at the gym, feels good to get a proper workout in. People seemed to be doing a good job wiping everything down and keeping their distance.
Kind of sucks making an appointment because the hours they offer have me sitting around the house for an hour after work which really kills the motivation but it's better than nothing.

[twitchyzero]

make an appt before work

[MarkyMark]

I start work at 530am so that's a no go lol

[Ch28]

I start work at 530am so that's a no go lol

Have you considered Anytime Fitness? They're open 24/7 and have shower facilities so you could work out at any time of the day, shower, and go home or work.

[MarkyMark]

Have you considered Anytime Fitness? They're open 24/7 and have shower facilities so you could work out at any time of the day, shower, and go home or work.

I haven't really looked into it since before Covid I liked my gym but we'll see how it goes, there's an Anytime Fitness pretty close to my house

[SkinnyPupp]

curious to see the numbers few weeks after the protests began
It's going to go up. It's already been going up in California and places where people have been protesting against the virus itself, and going out to the beach, not following social distancing

https://i.imgur.com/kdbGNmM.png

[westopher]

The biggest thing about those places is the numbers weren't low enough for that to be a reasonable decision. Community transmission tells you what's likely, and they didn't wait for community transmission to drop to a level where a reduction in the safety protocols made sense. They were like "ok we waited a bit, fuck it," basically.

[Vansterdam]

Thanks for checking!

We had stocked up groceries a couple weeks before I got symptoms, and still had a 2 week supply. We also got a lot of family support. My mother-in-law would get groceries for us to cover the gaps in our supply. My mom cooked a few loads of food for us, and had my sister and her husband deliver it to us. We were quite blessed to not have to go out. Today, my temp is normal, but it could go up again. I haven't had sequential days of normal temps, yet. :P

can I have your steam account if shit goes down? lol all jokes aside hope u make a full speedy recovery before summer starts

[TOS'd]

https://twitter.com/globalnews/status/1270701718335107074

Edit: What's the group social distancing limit at for BC? ON is at no more than 5 people while maintaining social distancing, but that's getting increased to 10 people on Friday.

[blkgsr]

heard about that last night....that's going to really make the government question moving to phase 3

the thought would be; if you can't be close to family how are they going to allow us to be close strangers

[320icar]

Yeah It feels that I’m in the minority when I say we’re opening up way too soon

[ssjGoku69]

I haven't really looked into it since before Covid I liked my gym but we'll see how it goes, there's an Anytime Fitness pretty close to my house

I was thinking of cancelling my Anytime Fitness membership since there's so much non-sexual heavy breathing, sweat, small indoor spaces, and shared touching of equipment.

[whitev70r]

the thought would be; if you can't be close to family how are they going to allow us to be close strangers

Apparently, there were family and 'outsiders' ... by that I take it to mean some friends outside family so it was a bit larger than just extended family. But regardless, this example is concerning.

[Hondaracer]

How is that any different than going anywhere else though? Literally any store, service, etc you’re likely to come into far more contact in those places than a gathering like that

Also how many tested positive and how many were asymptomatic?

[320icar]

How is that any different than going anywhere else though? Literally any store, service, etc you’re likely to come into far more contact in those places than a gathering like that

Also how many tested positive and how many were asymptomatic?

I can only assume people are far more relaxed at a family gathering. Eating/sitting together, close contact, no masks. Versus going shopping I’m keeping all distance + sanitizing+ hand washing etc.

Just assuming but I’d feel most people (myself included) would be more relaxed around family. If one person is sick, way easier to pass it

[whitev70r]

Family gathering = long time together, a couple of hours?
The length of time in contact with someone who is Covid positive is a big factor. Most strangers, you just walk by.

[TOS'd]

This question came up in a group chat recently regarding the 5-person gathering limit, Ontario specific. People in the group chat were looking to hangout at a park, however there is a 5 person limit:

- Physical distancing by-law stats that all people must keep two meters of distance between themselves and people they don't live with while in public.

- All residents are prohibited from gathering in groups of more than five (with the exception of families who live together)

So say you have a group of 5 people, from 3 different households. Couple, Couple, Single. These 3 groups are 2m apart from each other at a park. This conforms.

Now, another group of 5 people (they do not know the people from the first group), again from 3 different households. Couple, Couple, Single. These 3 groups are also 2m apart from each other. However, one person from this group is 2m apart from someone in the first group of 5. This technically conforms.

Now if you add another person to one of the groups of 5 people, sitting 2m away from the nearest person from that group. This now makes it a gathering of 6 people, which is now over the limit of 5. So now technically not allowed?

How does that differ from having someone 2m from you that is apart of a different group?

[SSM_DC5]

The difference is that the people in the gathering are speaking moistly to one another and the 2 separate gatherings that happen to be 2m apart are not.

[Hondaracer]

It’s more than 5 people in BC now anyways isn’t it?

[winson604]

heard about that last night....that's going to really make the government question moving to phase 3

the thought would be; if you can't be close to family how are they going to allow us to be close strangers

Yea but we don't know the circumstances of this gathering. Because they felt close and comfortable were things shared? Was food done buffet style? Was there hugging and hand shaking? Were people lazy on washing hands? Or put it this way, did this group of people act in the same manner that they would have if they were at a gathering with 30 strangers? I'm going to assume no but it's purely a guess of course. While I think expanded bubbles are a go you still have to practice all the good habits you've developed regardless of who you are with.

[Hondaracer]

On friday we had 7 people over all from different households etc but we were able to social distance in our yard to have some beers and food

Before anyone came over we thoroughly cleaned the house, wiped down everything with lysol wipes and then told everybody weve got hand sanitizer at the front door as well as in the bathroom if need be (only had to go inside because of the bathroom)

Gets a little trickier to remember to be cautious when you've got 8 beers in ya but still think we did a decent job at controlling touch points and whatnot

[bcedhk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpbrvWe3xFk

[CivicBlues]

I was thinking of cancelling my Anytime Fitness membership since there's so much non-sexual heavy breathing, sweat, small indoor spaces, and shared touching of equipment.

so you'd keep your membership if there was sexual heavy breathing? :fappery:

[Ch28]

so you'd keep your membership if there was sexual heavy breathing? :fappery:

Isn't that why they have washrooms and showers in there?

[Oshiguru]

Isn't that why they have washrooms and showers in there?

My gym closed washrooms and showers. They try to limit workout spaces to 1 person per zone and 35 people max. I still see groups or 2-4 people working out together on the deadlift platforms, no one wiping down equipment. People spitting on their hands / using their own chalk. Spray bottles empty, no paper towels. They used caution/police tape to section off certain machines. People will move the tape and still workout. Staff standby watching or working out themselves. I made a comment and they scoffed at me. :heckno:

Im going back to the staff gym at the hospital which actually seems cleaner. The other gym above also made a comment about the community supporting a local business and their upkeep when I asked about putting my membership on hold because I work in the hospital.

I'm curious to see how the next couple of weeks to months plays out.

[AzNightmare]

I haven't seen my immediate family or friends since March and I kind of want to keep it that way for now.

My immediate family and spouse/SO want to all meet up since we haven't seen each other in so long. They're proposing ideas like hot pot and/or dim sum. I feel kind of pressured to not be a dick and say no, but I really don't think it's a good idea...

[SkinnyPupp]

I haven't seen my immediate family or friends since March and I kind of want to keep it that way for now.

My immediate family and spouse/SO want to all meet up since we haven't seen each other in so long. They're proposing ideas like hot pot and/or dim sum. I feel kind of pressured to not be a dick and say no, but I really don't think it's a good idea...
Meet up, sure if there haven't been cases in a while, meet up carefully... But hot pot is such a bad idea lol

[hud 91gt]

How many of you were tested? I went in the other day and holy crap that’s uncomfortable. Lol. My nose started bleeding and felt it for hours after. She was really trying to find some gold.

Symptoms felt like allergies but extreme. My normal medicine wasn’t working, and I also had an actual sore throat and asthma type symptoms during a run (which I’ve felt once or twice in my life). After swabbing me the doctor prescribed a nasal steroid for which my wife picked up. All symptoms went away. Lol screw you PoCo and your weird ass cotton fluffy things. Test was negative and now I have to get the blood out of my clothes from the roadside Corona test. Haha.

[CivicBlues]

My gym closed washrooms and showers. They try to limit workout spaces to 1 person per zone and 35 people max. I still see groups or 2-4 people working out together on the deadlift platforms, no one wiping down equipment. People spitting on their hands / using their own chalk.

WHAT THE FUCK!??! You need to call city bylaw officers on these idiots. Who even does this during normal times in a public gym?

[CivicBlues]

Meet up, sure if there haven't been cases in a while, meet up carefully... But hot pot is such a bad idea lol

Yeah, suggest a BBQ instead. Outside. 2 outbreaks of 15+ people now in the Fraser Health region due to "family gatherings"

[winson604]

How many of you were tested? I went in the other day and holy crap that’s uncomfortable. Lol. My nose started bleeding and felt it for hours after. She was really trying to find some gold.

Symptoms felt like allergies but extreme. My normal medicine wasn’t working, and I also had an actual sore throat and asthma type symptoms during a run (which I’ve felt once or twice in my life). After swabbing me the doctor prescribed a nasal steroid for which my wife picked up. All symptoms went away. Lol screw you PoCo and your weird ass cotton fluffy things. Test was negative and now I have to get the blood out of my clothes from the roadside Corona test. Haha.

Lol i'd have to get my entire car detailed then if I went. My nose bleeds easily in that regard and when I bleed it pours like literally and takes a while to stop. Would have looked like a murder scene after I'm done.

[6793026]

van tennis club is open but.. so many rules
-must bring own balls
-no showers
-can't use ball machine
-no ping pong
STILL have to pay membership fees.. but with -20% discount, no eating allowed yet...

[Hondaracer]

Yea my gym reponened and only with booked time slots and you can only stay in one area of the gym while you’re in your time slot

Also reduced opening from 6am to 7am so basically eliminates me working out in the morning :/

[sonick]

van tennis club is open but.. so many rules
-must bring own balls
-no showers
-can't use ball machine
-no ping pong
STILL have to pay membership fees.. but with -20% discount, no eating allowed yet...

I don't see what the issue is here. The safety measures in place are reasonable, and you are getting a discount. What are you complaining about?

Unless I've misconstrued the tone of your post, in which case I retract the statement.

[Hondaracer]

Man, people are fucked lol.. you know it’s bad when it’s ME trying to be the most conscious of the situation lol..

Went into JJ bean on Hastings in Burnaby and it was packed, tones of people sitting inside and lots of people waiting in line. Probably 6-7 people over 75, no masks.

One of the oldest guys in the place kinda looped around me to lineup and was right over my shoulder essentially under a foot apart, I basically turned around right in his face and gave him the bro????!?! Look

Was ready to say fuck, it’s your funeral bud.

[Teriyaki]

Seems like:

Coronavirus over guys. Thankyou Next.

[mikemhg]

Seems like:

Coronavirus over guys. Thankyou Next.

Very true, meanwhile they're seeing spikes throughout the US.

It's very odd how COVID was the center of the universe for the last number of months, and heck I figured it would totally be part of our lexicon going forward, and yet it's completely disappeared as a concern for most.

I think a lot of that is due to the media no longer bombarding us with COVID stories on a daily basis. Now that the news has shifted to George Floyd, among other issues, COVID has become passe.

It shows you how much power the media has in terms of an utter control over how we think, what we engage in, and what's the main focus.

[SkinnyPupp]

The problem is the social distancing and lockdowns worked, but for some reason a lot of people interpreted that as "it was never a problem to begin with"

I'm not even talking about the weird deniers we had in this thread from the start.. There were many people who were legit concerned about it at first are now totally flippant about it (Joe Rogan and Elon Musk being the most public examples)

It's an interesting phenomenon, I'd love to read about the psychology on why this happens. Part of it I think is that these public examples influence a lot of people.

So the first big peak has passed us by, but some places are still going up, including California as you saw in the graph I posted the other day. Worldwide, there are actually more daily cases than ever before. But people are "over it" now.

You could show them a chart from the Spanish Flu, showing the first peak wasn't that big but the second one - when the strain had weakened so it stopped killing young healthy people - was much, much worse, eventually killing almost 3% of the world's population. But people are "over it" now. Tired of thinking about it I guess.

[MarkyMark]

I think now that it's not "new" and people are starting to realize they more than likely won't drop dead they are starting to care less and less. Personally I'm not worried about getting it, but I'm definitely worried about getting it and getting my mom or dad infected if I visited them which is why I'm still being cautious about it all.

What really surprises me is the 70s+ crowd at the stores with no mask and just not giving a fuck.

[Hondaracer]

Well of course there’s more cases then ever before because developing countries in South America are now on the beginning of their curve.

Also obviously in Canada/BC the situation was never as dire as originally reported and people are feeling a level of comfort with the ways we are returning to normal.

Also as I said on the last page, people don’t give a shit about old people, you may care about YOUR old people, but if they aren’t friends of relatives then obviously people don’t care about them as is evident in the general public’s response to the care home tragedy.

You ain’t old (or maybe you even are) you ain’t sick, you don’t care to stay inside anymore.

[320icar]

https://i.chzbgr.com/full/9498921728/hCDBB3542/tie-corona-fear-corona-march-corona-fear-corona-june

[Hondaracer]

Well, by the numbers you should be far more worried about using bad drugs than becoming gravely Ill from Covid:

https://www.citynews1130.com/2020/06/11/bc-record-monthly-overdose-deaths-may/

[320icar]

Because we all have an equal chance of dying from hard drugs, like we do contracting c-19 lol

[Hondaracer]

Can pretty much guarantee you there are more people with a needle in their arm or snorting rails up their noses at any given time then there have been total cases of Covid over a 4 month span.

I get that those things are within your control to some degree but the OD crisis seems like a far more pressing health concern than covid tbh at least in terms of deaths.

[320icar]

Nah mate. This is where I’ll sound like a prick but I’m WAY more concerned with elderly people stuck in care homes dying from covid than I am junkies in the DTES dying from hard drugs.

[Ch28]

Nah mate. This is where I’ll sound like a prick but I’m WAY more concerned with elderly people stuck in care homes dying from covid than I am junkies in the DTES dying from hard drugs.

It's even worse when you hear about how some facilities in Ontario are so fucking disgusting. Seniors living in their own shit and piss and essentially starving to death because staff don't properly feed or clean them.

It's fucking disgusting that this is even happening in a country that's supposed to be a first world country. Thinking about how that's someone's mom/dad/grandfather/grandmother/sister/brother etc is just so fucking depressing.

[Hondaracer]

Nah mate. This is where I’ll sound like a prick but I’m WAY more concerned with elderly people stuck in care homes dying from covid than I am junkies in the DTES dying from hard drugs.

This was the discussion earlier in the thread

Beside sentimental value the junkies life far outweighs the value and potential of some 85 year old getting force fed so their grandchildren can visit them imo.

However we seemingly value neither

[SkinnyPupp]

Here we go again...

https://twitter.com/peijin_zhang/status/1271695953125408770

[JSALES]

Seattle coronavirus survivor gets a $1.1 million, 181-page hospital bill

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/inspiring-story-of-seattle-mans-coronavirus-survival-comes-with-a-1-1-million-dollar-hospital-bill/

[Tegra_Devil]

HA!^^^^fucking americans

[spoon.ek9]

Here we go again...

https://twitter.com/peijin_zhang/status/1271695953125408770

It's funny how China keeps having to lock down cities (at least two I've heard about) and yet they've only had about 2000 new cases since March. Still can't understand that anyone could legitimately believe they're being even remotely honest about their numbers.

[Hondaracer]

So basically disregard any info coming out of there.

They can’t even keep their own skewed info straight

[SkinnyPupp]

Miami sees new record for daily cases every day for the past 3 days

https://twitter.com/MiamiHerald/status/1271837143984492544

[SpeedStars]

I wonder if we'll see Florida cases balloon up like New York's. IIRC Florida was amongst one of the first states to open up and was one of the last to lockdown.

[Hehe]

It's funny how China keeps having to lock down cities (at least two I've heard about) and yet they've only had about 2000 new cases since March. Still can't understand that anyone could legitimately believe they're being even remotely honest about their numbers.

The way China tally their cases is very different than the rest of the world.

In US/CA, if you are tested positive, you get counted.

China, OTOH, only counts those developing pneumonia or more severe symptoms. So, they can have 1000 people testing positive, and yet only have a handful of cases are officially counted as most people simply suffer a very severe flu-like symptoms.

It's more like the usual China propaganda machine. They want to show how "well" CCP is making everything. :fuckthatshit:

[Manic!]

Man, I had to read this like 4 times. Like what the fuck.

But first, the 40-year-old bookkeeper had to discuss her plans with her long-term partner, his spouse and the spouse's partner — who happens to be Hughes's soon-to-be ex-husband. The four of them are polyamorous and share a six-bedroom home in Surrey, B.C.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/polyamory-pandemic-1.5608920

[whitev70r]

^ Gawd life is complicated!

[underscore]

Man, I had to read this like 4 times. Like what the fuck.



https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/polyamory-pandemic-1.5608920

This really needs to be a diagram.

[320icar]

This really needs to be a diagram.

https://wompampsupport.azureedge.net/fetchimage?siteId=7575&v=2&jpgQuality=100&width=700&url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.kym-cdn.com%2Fentries%2Ficons%2Ffacebook%2F000%2F022%2 F524%2Ftumblr_o16n2kBlpX1ta3qyvo1_1280.jpg

[hi-revs]

Just bring on the 2nd and 3rd wave already. Holy fuck. Whats taking so long??

[MG1]

forgot............ to self-isolate from this thread. Fuck, it's hard.

[underscore]

https://wompampsupport.azureedge.net/fetchimage?siteId=7575&v=2&jpgQuality=100&width=700&url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.kym-cdn.com%2Fentries%2Ficons%2Ffacebook%2F000%2F022%2 F524%2Ftumblr_o16n2kBlpX1ta3qyvo1_1280.jpg

That's exactly what I was thinking of but couldn't post from my phone :lol

[bcrdukes]

COVID-19 hit home for me.

A close colleague of mine whom I worked with for many years suddenly passed away yesterday from COVID-19. I was still talking to her on our weekly scheduled touch points up until last week. She told me she'd decided to take a week off to recuperate, only for us to find out yesterday she instead actually checked herself into the hospital and died last night.

We don't know where she may have gotten it, or how, but she leaves behind her two daughters and her husband, and now they are all in isolation until further notice. She was only 48 too. What a sad way to go.

Stay safe, everyone.

[punkwax]

^ sorry to hear, dukes.

Stay safe, everyone.

This.

I’ll admit I’ve relaxed (a little) compared to back in March but this is far from over. Everyone owes it to themselves and to those around them to be mindful and help mitigate risk. Anyone here could have saved lives already without even knowing it just by washing their hands properly and preventing spread.

And if you know anyone being reckless out there, smack them upside the head. Verbally of course, for now.

[GS8]

COVID-19 hit home for me.

Just a bit over a week ago, a close colleague of mine whom I worked with for many years suddenly passed away yesterday from COVID-19. I was still talking to her on our weekly scheduled touch points. She told me she'd decided to take a week off to recuperate, only for us to find out yesterday she instead actually checked herself into the hospital and died last night.

We don't know where she may have gotten it, or how, but she leaves behind her two daughters and her husband, and now they are all in isolation until further notice. She was only 48 too. What a sad way to go.

Stay safe, everyone.

Really sorry to hear about that.

This is really the only thread I'm paying attention to now on RS. The other threads in this section....I just can't.....

There is a virus out there that doesn't discriminate and it's befalling a lot of people. When you know someone who's been personally affected, suddenly the world feels smaller and the virus seems deadlier. You're no longer looking at statistical graphics nor listening to heads speak on a TV. Suddenly your tone becomes less apathetic and cold you humanity kicks in. Empathy, sadness etc. ignite within you. On top of human loss, there's been job loss, businesses lost. Where does it end? Of course we'll pull through this as that's what we humans do. We persevere, we honour the memories of those who fell and we ensure no one (or businesses etc.) died in vain.

[twitchyzero]

tried dining in over the weekend..took a nice bowl of soup for granted

gym app is down and booked 4 days out: probably not a bad thing waiting until later this week since a dozen new cases daily and a pretty serious outbreak at the care facility in fraserview

maybe just a coincidence but since the protests began people been getting way too comfortable

[Hondaracer]

Went to Metrotown yesterday again to go to Sportcheck

fuck it is BUMPING in there.. probably 80%+ of a normal day.

also people are fucking idiots and dont follow the signs on the ground, nor do they have anyone directing them, they are trying to keep one side of the mall for going one day, one for going the other, no one is following that and basically walking into eachother face to face :/

[whitev70r]

Was at Steveston on Saturday ... pandemic? What pandemic ???!!!

[Hondaracer]

https://i.imgur.com/LoI5ol5.png

[whitev70r]

Props to Translink, they were handing out nice blue masks for free, with a little T logo.

https://beta.ctvnews.ca/content/dam/ctvnews/images/2020/6/15/1_4964446.jpg?cache_timestamp=1592235020785

Comes in all sizes, S, M, L, XXXXXXXXXXXXXL !

https://images.dailyhive.com/20200615114649/translink-face-mask-21.jpg

[underscore]

This sucks to hear, you guys were keeping me hopeful that the rest of the province was being smarter than the people around here :(

https://i.imgur.com/IL3bc1A.jpg

[SkinnyPupp]

Something to keep in mind as people start to go out in public more, and use public facilities

https://twitter.com/suilee/status/1273036918331146242

I wouldn't expect anyone in to comply (fuck they won't even wear masks by the sounds of it) so personally I would avoid using public toilets completely for the time being.

[SkinnyPupp]

Also, the Beijing breakout is getting worse

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1273082755706810368

[bobbinka]

https://globalnews.ca/news/7074054/covid-19-bc-fast-food-restaurant-outbreak/

Provincial health officer Dr. Bonnie Henry said Tuesday that four or five workers at a fast-food restaurant tested positive for COVID-19. She said she is not aware of any customers who were exposed.

Henry did not disclose the name or location of the restaurant.

Errr.... or maybe let people know where it is so the customers who visited can be extra careful

[spoon.ek9]

Just like the virus didn't give a shit what race or country you are in, it doesn't give a shit if anyone of us is suddenly "tired" of hearing news about it or being cautious. We've educated each other quite well in this thread. Let's try and do our part to not let our great efforts go to waste.

Be diligent! (as well as safe, calm and kind)

[AzNightmare]

I don't know everyone's situation, but just scrolling up this page.
Seems like there's a lot of reporting of how crowded every place is...

Just playing devils advocate. Maybe everyone else in there was thinking the same thing...
:badpokerface:

What are you guys all doing going out in public areas so soon?

[Jmac]

I’m glad I racked up enough bank time to basically take the whole summer off. 6 more work days and then I can just chill at home for 2 months and not have to worry about people getting in my personal space.

[westopher]

I don't know everyone's situation, but just scrolling up this page.
Seems like there's a lot of reporting of how crowded every place is...

Just playing devils advocate. Maybe everyone else in there was thinking the same thing...
:badpokerface:

What are you guys all doing going out in public areas so soon?
A lot of the crowds I’ve noticed have been from the comfort of my drivers seat but you’re totally right. It’s like when people talk about how bad the traffic is. But we are the traffic.

[SkinnyPupp]

I assume most people here are wearing masks at least

If you're out there complaining about crowds and not wearing a mask... :rukidding:

[SkinnyPupp]

35K new cases yesterday in Brazil (https://www.sbs.com.au/news/in-just-24-hours-brazil-sets-a-grim-new-record-with-almost-35-000-new-coronavirus-cases)

[CivicBlues]

https://globalnews.ca/news/7074054/covid-19-bc-fast-food-restaurant-outbreak/



Errr.... or maybe let people know where it is so the customers who visited can be extra careful

Rumours are it was a Tims in the Fraser Health Region.

[blkgsr]

35K new cases yesterday in Brazil (https://www.sbs.com.au/news/in-just-24-hours-brazil-sets-a-grim-new-record-with-almost-35-000-new-coronavirus-cases)



i feel the most for the indigenous peoples.

that dick head president already hates them and wants them gone so he can keep exploiting the amazon and they're the last line of defense.

too bad he doesn't get the "little flu"

[Hondaracer]

I don't know everyone's situation, but just scrolling up this page.
Seems like there's a lot of reporting of how crowded every place is...

Just playing devils advocate. Maybe everyone else in there was thinking the same thing...
:badpokerface:

What are you guys all doing going out in public areas so soon?

Been out in public since the beggining bro, essentially my job to come in contact with strangers.. and company has done very little to properly address the risks :rukidding:

maybe im super immune now

[Obsideon]

Been out in public since the beggining bro, essentially my job to come in contact with strangers.. and company has done very little to properly address the risks :rukidding:

maybe im super immune now

I know (or hope) that you are joking but talking to many strangers over the last few weeks I am shocked at the number of people who truly believe that.
"I'm a healthy 25 year old I'm going to fight it by trying to get infected as many times as possible, touching every surface I can"
:fulloffuck:
https://i.insider.com/5e6f7356235c1809550f00b3?width=1100&format=jpeg&auto=webp

[Hondaracer]

I know (or hope) that you are joking but talking to many strangers over the last few weeks I am shocked at the number of people who truly believe that.
"I'm a healthy 25 year old I'm going to fight it by trying to get infected as many times as possible, touching every surface I can"
:fulloffuck:
https://i.insider.com/5e6f7356235c1809550f00b3?width=1100&format=jpeg&auto=webp

I support telecom technicians in the field. Who do you think has been going into these 50 story high rises surrounding Metrotown, Brentwood etc to get people’s fix of porn hub? Lol

The risk cannot be mitigated in these places and my company seems to think PPE is the first line of defence and not the last.

[bcrdukes]

Name of company, please. :D

[Hondaracer]

Take a guess, you’ve got a 50/50 chance lol

Also if any of you are the type of dickheads that demand technicians of any sort come into your home these days, be aware they are likely the most exposed people you’ve come in contact with this entire time.

[SSM_DC5]

^ must be Telus because Shaw is promoting their Self Connect to eliminate tech's going on site to do the install.

[JL9000]

Been out in public since the beggining bro, essentially my job to come in contact with strangers.. and company has done very little to properly address the risks :rukidding:

maybe im super immune now
Ultimately one has the responsibility and ability to prevent the transmission of this virus in most cases, staying at home or not. But people can be quick to judge these days.

Not to take away from our frontline workers, but the majority of the society seem to have forgotten about the people who have been going to work, providing essential services and keeping our world going since day one. People who may have their wage reduced, with little PPE support, receive no government subsidies or perks from businesses, or recognition from the public. Yet they are also the same ones who can be dealing directly with healthcare workers on a daily basis. Many real life heroes hide in plain sight, but deserve respect and appreciation all the same.

[GS8]

https://i.imgur.com/NPDG1mt.gif

:willnill:

[SkinnyPupp]

If any country is going to relax their Stay-At-Home orders, they are going to need to implement compulsory mask wearing.

Update to this

California Gov. Newsom Makes Face Masks Mandatory Amid Rising Coronavirus Cases (https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/06/18/880583357/california-gov-newsom-makes-face-masks-mandatory-amid-rising-coronavirus-cases)

Florida Keys requiring face masks until June 2021 (https://weartv.com/news/local/florida-keys-requiring-masks-inside-businesses-through-june-2021)

[SkinnyPupp]

11 confirmed cases with NHL players so far

https://twitter.com/PR_NHL/status/1274126142119837696

[Hondaracer]

So amid the North American stats the most important stat we need to know is hospitalizations and critical cases. Are they the same percentage of hospitalization as before? Or are they now manageable as things remain open. No one seems to go out of their way to report those defined statistics.

I listened to part of the Joe Rogan and Bill Burr podcast today and joe basically said that if you’re wearing a mask you’re a bitch lol..

[ilovebacon]

Lol such a crappy opinion from Joe Rogan guest

[SkinnyPupp]

Lol such a crappy opinion from Joe Rogan guest
Actually the guest was one of the few who confronted Joe on this. Joe is the one saying masks are for "bitches"

https://youtu.be/tSKVXl-WnrA

I only listen in audio form, but seeing Joe turn into a literal troll while saying that is one of the creepier images I've seen in a while. He looks like pink Shrek.

[320icar]

So... we’re not opening the border any time soon right? I sure hope not. Cases in the US is absolutely frightening

[twitchyzero]

they should open to existing nexus holders with mandatory same day testing

makes no sense flights are okay or letting some americans through to Alaska

[SSM_DC5]

So... we’re not opening the border any time soon right? I sure hope not. Cases in the US is absolutely frightening

Recently extended closure to July 21

[Ludepower]

Should be until the end of the year. Stop with this pussyfooting monthly extensions. Keep those idiots out.

[underscore]

Actually the guest was one of the few who confronted Joe on this. Joe is the one saying masks are for "bitches"

https://youtu.be/tSKVXl-WnrA

I only listen in audio form, but seeing Joe turn into a literal troll while saying that is one of the creepier images I've seen in a while. He looks like pink Shrek.

This is the first I've watched/listened to anything from him in ages and... wow. People actually listen to this guy on a regular basis?

[SkinnyPupp]

This is the first I've watched/listened to anything from him in ages and... wow. People actually listen to this guy on a regular basis?
Not so much since Coronavirus, no

He was never this bad, except on a few issues and when trying to be "funny". Now he has gone from humiliating Trump, to tolerating him, to now defending him. It's been insane to watch over the last 6 months (holy fuck coronavirus has been here for over 6 months)

(holy fuck it's almost July)

[SkinnyPupp]

https://twitter.com/ASlavitt/status/1273973204047069184

And the only reason EU is as high as it is, is because of Sweden LUL

[Jmac]

Feels like it’s been forever to me. Worked 28/31 days in January and it just hasn’t stopped. Just finished another 11-consecutive day stint that included 2 doubles and another 4 overtime shifts.

June 26 can’t come fast enough. I work five 3-day weeks between then and the end of September.

[spoon.ek9]

June 19th closed out with 33,500 cases in the US. This is their highest number since May 1st (36,000).

Brazil has also surpassed 1mil cases at a tremendous pace.

[SkinnyPupp]

Brazil has already surpassed Italy and Spain combined in deaths. Remember when we were freaking out about those two countries?

[twitchyzero]

desensitized
remember when they announced the first death outside of China?

[mikemhg]

Actually the guest was one of the few who confronted Joe on this. Joe is the one saying masks are for "bitches"

https://youtu.be/tSKVXl-WnrA

I only listen in audio form, but seeing Joe turn into a literal troll while saying that is one of the creepier images I've seen in a while. He looks like pink Shrek.

What's Joe's angle anyways? Props to Bill for pushing back on him, most guests seem to be afraid to call him out on his bullshit, his online troll fans are real :lol

I listen to clips of his podcast on YT from time to time, and he's really pushing this whole skepticism angle for a while now, it's very odd.

My assumption is a lot of it has to do with his involvement with the UFC, and his other investments that are likely being affected by the lock down itself? Everyone has an angle.

[SkinnyPupp]

What's Joe's angle anyways? Props to Bill for pushing back on him, most guests seem to be afraid to call him out on his bullshit, his online troll fans are real :lol

I listen to clips of his podcast on YT from time to time, and he's really pushing this whole skepticism angle for a while now, it's very odd.

My assumption is a lot of it has to do with his involvement with the UFC, and his other investments that are likely being affected by the lock down itself? Everyone has an angle.
It absolutely started turning around when UFC was pushing hard to start doing shows again. He went from "Dana is gangsta for doing this, I'm just observing" to straight up becoming a denier.

Remember Dana is VERY close to trump, just not as publicly. He is a straight up MAGA prick and a Trump toadie. That might explain Joe's change on his Trump stance as well.

They are all probably in the same circle of friends... Joe's weird ultra conservative huntin' pals and Navy SEALS he hires as security. Totally different group from his comedy friends, who he probably hasn't been able to spend much time with aside from texts.

I mean to each their own, but this guy's reach is immense, and he has a large following of impressionable, confused young boys who worship him. The "Oprah for bros" joke is done to death, but it's pretty much true. He seems to be leaning more into the conservative side, with his "I'm actually very liberal" becoming more like pandering than actual truth.

I rarely listen anymore, going from almost never missing a show. There's someone who recaps each show on reddit, and it's been very useful in choosing which ones to skip. You can read the recap and know exactly how the 2-3 hours went. Saves a lot of time LUL

[SkinnyPupp]

Miami sees new record for daily cases every day for the past 3 days

https://twitter.com/MiamiHerald/status/1271837143984492544
Last week they set a new record for daily cases at 2000, then 3000

Today they set a new record for daily cases at 4000

https://twitter.com/AngelinaWTSP/status/1274366305534201857

[Tegra_Devil]

ugh, I have to fly down to California for work in October COVID or no COVID.....hopefully they get a grip on shit by then

[1337]

Joe Rogan: "real men take chances"
Also Joe Rogan: tests every guests for coronavirus

I haven't consistently listened to him in ages. He's become the Trump of podcasts. It's hard to listen to him anymore. Glad he got trolled by Bill.

[68style]

I laughed out loud when Bill said “oh yah you’re really fuckin manly over there Joe with your open face holes. That’s a real man right there” hahaha fuck you Rogan, turned into such a sanctimonious prick

[mikemhg]

It absolutely started turning around when UFC was pushing hard to start doing shows again. He went from "Dana is gangsta for doing this, I'm just observing" to straight up becoming a denier.

Remember Dana is VERY close to trump, just not as publicly. He is a straight up MAGA prick and a Trump toadie. That might explain Joe's change on his Trump stance as well.

They are all probably in the same circle of friends... Joe's weird ultra conservative huntin' pals and Navy SEALS he hires as security. Totally different group from his comedy friends, who he probably hasn't been able to spend much time with aside from texts.

I mean to each their own, but this guy's reach is immense, and he has a large following of impressionable, confused young boys who worship him. The "Oprah for bros" joke is done to death, but it's pretty much true. He seems to be leaning more into the conservative side, with his "I'm actually very liberal" becoming more like pandering than actual truth.

I rarely listen anymore, going from almost never missing a show. There's someone who recaps each show on reddit, and it's been very useful in choosing which ones to skip. You can read the recap and know exactly how the 2-3 hours went. Saves a lot of time LUL

This is what I'm most concerned about. His young impressionable fans. My white nephews listen to his podcast, and I chat to younger guys in their early 20s at my gym that love his podcasts.

They all seem to parrot the same ideas -- Anti-political correctness, SJWs, how "left" universities are, transgender hyperbole, feminism sucks, men are being attacked, Trump isn't that bad, all of Joe's regular talking points.

My question to them is always the same, explain to me how these topics are the most important thing going on right now? How much have these topics directly affected you? Do you think these topics are more important than the economical and policy specific issues that are far more pernicious in your day-to-day life?

That's usually when the light turns on to some degree. It isn't a councidence that he surrounds himself with those creeps that call themselves the "Intellectual Dark Web", and why he pushes their agenda on a regular basis on his podcast. I've seen interviews where he will literally change the topic to whine about "Antifa" or how Berkeley is too lefty :lol

Joe carries a lot of power and influence with his podcast, I just wished his younger followers were more keen to his agenda, and to not necessarily take this Fear Factor host's opinion as the gospel.

[CivicBlues]

Remember when Joe was just some paranoid doofus on a run of the mill 90s sitcom?

https://thespinoff.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/4.png

[unit]

i stopped listening to joe at least 8 or 9 years ago when joey and brian were the regulars on the show. he just talks about the same shit over and over again.

[blkgsr]

but he does have some cool guests on.

Forest Galante, former astronauts etc

[blkgsr]

Brazil has already surpassed Italy and Spain combined in deaths. Remember when we were freaking out about those two countries?

been calling india/pakistan etc and brazil since the beginning

i figured it would have hit indonesia harder but maybe the fact it's made up of so many islands that's helped them

[mikemhg]

but he does have some cool guests on.

Forest Galante, former astronauts etc

Totally agree, he has some excellent guests from time-to-time.

I find he completely ruins and sidetracks the interviews with these good guests, though. So the few times I do listen for a good guest, I'm subjected to a diatribe for an hour about moose hunting, bows, vitamin supplements, and monkeys.

I've moved on to podcasts like Ezra Klein's for more in-depth and thoughtful interviews.

[blkgsr]

ya he sure does like to drop in about vitamins and supplements....does he have his own brand or promote a specific brand that he's paid for? haven't bothered to look into it

[birddog3k]

This is what I'm most concerned about. His young impressionable fans. My white nephews listen to his podcast, and I chat to younger guys in their early 20s at my gym that love his podcasts.

They all seem to parrot the same ideas -- Anti-political correctness, SJWs, how "left" universities are, transgender hyperbole, feminism sucks, men are being attacked, Trump isn't that bad, all of Joe's regular talking points.

My question to them is always the same, explain to me how these topics are the most important thing going on right now? How much have these topics directly affected you? Do you think these topics are more important than the economical and policy specific issues that are far more pernicious in your day-to-day life?

That's usually when the light turns on to some degree. It isn't a councidence that he surrounds himself with those creeps that call themselves the "Intellectual Dark Web", and why he pushes their agenda on a regular basis on his podcast. I've seen interviews where he will literally change the topic to whine about "Antifa" or how Berkeley is too lefty :lol

Joe carries a lot of power and influence with his podcast, I just wished his younger followers were more keen to his agenda, and to not necessarily take this Fear Factor host's opinion as the gospel.

What's his agenda?

[Hondaracer]

So people who listen to Joe are seemingly too dumb to form their own opinions on things so now everyone is scared that they will follow his advice on issues like masks etc.

Then on the opposite end people are too dumb to do their own research on topics and would likely be completely uniformed on issues without Joe

You can’t fix dumb. If it wasn’t masks and downplaying covid people like this would likely be on some other conspiracy shit anyways.

[whitev70r]

OK, what I don't quite get is the extraordinarily high number of positive cases in the US and Prez Trump is holding rallies (regardless of actual numbers) ... in these stadiums ??!! They are going to get to herd immunity faster than anyone else ... except maybe Brazil!

[320icar]

So people who listen to Joe are seemingly too dumb to form their own opinions on things so now everyone is scared that they will follow his advice on issues like masks etc.

Then on the opposite end people are too dumb to do their own research on topics and would likely be completely uniformed on issues without Joe

You can’t fix dumb. If it wasn’t masks and downplaying covid people like this would likely be on some other conspiracy shit anyways.

I think in general people are more worried about young people. And without a double, yes youth are too dumb to form their own opinion. That’s what makes influencers and pieces of shit like the jake Paul or wtv and his brother

[mikemhg]

ya he sure does like to drop in about vitamins and supplements....does he have his own brand or promote a specific brand that he's paid for? haven't bothered to look into it

He does, he's part owner of the vitamin and supplement brand ONNIT.

https://www.onnit.com/joe-rogan/

I'll give it to Joe, he's slick in the way he markets on his podcast and pushes a narrative to support his company.

[mikemhg]

So people who listen to Joe are seemingly too dumb to form their own opinions on things so now everyone is scared that they will follow his advice on issues like masks etc.

Then on the opposite end people are too dumb to do their own research on topics and would likely be completely uniformed on issues without Joe

You can’t fix dumb. If it wasn’t masks and downplaying covid people like this would likely be on some other conspiracy shit anyways.

You just detailed my biggest fear of this current generation.

You're right, you can't fix dumb, and yet we've never had a time in human history where communication and the roll-out of information has been so easy.

It's created this double sword of sorts where people have become extremely silo'd. It has created platforms such as the JRE which reaches out to millions, every podcast. We've never had a piece of technology that has allowed such a propagation of ideas to this degree, ever.

It's a powerful tool if used benevolently.

Joe, like Trump, loves to represent himself as an "average" guy, carrying no bias, or ulterior motives, when he is far from that. Both are extremely wealthy individuals that have clear financial connections to areas in which they can apply that bias. Look no further to Trump ensuring real estate investors specifically carry a massive tax cut in the recent COVID bill passed in the senate. Joe's ideas on COVID on his podcast seem to carry similar motives in regards to his investments and company ties.

People love a cult of personality, and his followers tend to believe he's the gospel. I can't tell you how many "dudes" I chat with that will mention something from the JRE as plain facts, without spending a second looking into it.

It can end up being extremely dangerous when a guy who has a platform such as his begins to peddle conspiracy theories about Bill Gates and vaccines, or questioning the very validity of a pandemic.

[BIC_BAWS]

I was in Kelowna/Vernon over the weekend to get my car. Vernon, no one wore masks, not even employees of the insurance place in Vernon wore a mask. Plexi-glass was up, hand sani was avail, and only 2 people allowed inside at a time.

In Downtown Kelowna masks were not seen at all. Went to a ribs place, employees had masks on, patio was not staggered enough but inside tables were booths. Hand sani was provided but you had to use the spray cleaner bottle.

Edit: Oops wrong thread.

[Hondaracer]

There has also been virtually no major spikes weeks after the long weekend partying, protests etc.

Imo it goes to show either A) way more people are just asymptomatic carriers

Or B) the community spread is farrrrr less than originally expected.

Honestly, besides the raw numbers there’s almost no way you can say people are just doing “so good!” Here in BC

No one wears masks, seemingly very little frequent sanitation on high touch points at malls etc. People going FAR beyond their small social circles.

Doesn’t add up.

[whitev70r]

Not cool that this has to happen. C'mon people, if there is work, take it. It was only meant to tie you over.

Manitoba will pay people $2000 to get off CERB

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/pallister-employment-initiative-1.5623580

[Ch28]

Not cool that this has to happen. C'mon people, if there is work, take it. It was only meant to tie you over.

Manitoba will pay people $2000 to get off CERB

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/pallister-employment-initiative-1.5623580

Most people that are on CERB also happen to be part of the lowest wage earners. Their way of thinking is probably why would I go back to my minimum wage job when I can just sit at home all day and collect "free money"

[Tegra_Devil]

just cancel the CERB and call it a day

[Hondaracer]

Stay at home and not get exposed to random strangers AND make more than you would while going to work? Who would have thought?... :/

[ilovebacon]

I've abandoned CERB to work remotely. Not everyone is greedy.. My part time employer did asked me to come back in. Rejected her because I was already sick of working in that kind of environment.

[blkgsr]

just cancel the CERB and call it a day

this is the only solution

[Hondaracer]

Shun your cerb friends

[320icar]

Shun your cerb friends

Already started doing that.

[underscore]

There has also been virtually no major spikes weeks after the long weekend partying, protests etc.

I thought the US had a big spike after the Memorial Day long weekend?

[1337]

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/u-s-virus-cases-surge-to-highest-level-in-2-months-1.4997427

The U.S. on Tuesday reported 34,700 new cases of the virus, according to a tally compiled by Johns Hopkins University that was published Wednesday. There have been only two previous days that the U.S. has reported more cases: April 9 and April 24, when a record 36,400 cases were logged.

New cases in the U.S. have been surging for more than a week after trending down for more than six weeks. While early hot spots like New York and New Jersey have seen cases steadily decrease, the virus has been hitting the south and west. Several states on Tuesday set single-day records, including Arizona, California, Mississippi, Nevada and Texas.

:heckno:

[Hondaracer]

I thought the US had a big spike after the Memorial Day long weekend?

Speaking moreso towards B.C.

Other places in the state’s have obviously been beyond careless in their reopening