[Harvey Specter]

What’s the endgame? If we do 2-3 weeks of full lock down with everyone staying home, is that just to create a buffer for infection?

Those graphs are all fine and good but if you slow the curve of infection only to start opening things again in 3 weeks aren’t the numbers just going to spike again? The info on this type of stuff is severely lacking

My understand is it's to contain the pandemic, stop the spread and also slow enough so our healthcare infrastructure doesn't get overwhelmed and basically collapse. The good news is there is a few vaccines getting tested, the EU said one might be ready for Fall.

In my opinion we dropped the ball . Few weeks ago our airports had nothing set up to screen incoming passengers. If China and Iran had outbreaks we should have halted flights or had more strict screening at airports. It's a lesson for all of us and that is to act proactive and not wait until it gets worst.

[twitchyzero]

What happens when it flares back up 6 months from now? We're gonna be in the exact same position are we not?


What’s the endgame? If we do 2-3 weeks of full lock down with everyone staying home, is that just to create a buffer for infection?

Those graphs are all fine and good but if you slow the curve of infection only to start opening things again in 3 weeks aren’t the numbers just going to spike again? The info on this type of stuff is severely lacking

This is why people are saying that this isn't ending anytime soon here.

The initial estimate of 2-3 weeks was simply to calm people down, primary the markets. The truth is, our governments aren't able to tell the full reality here, heck even Trump finally admitted yesterday this could last until July/August.

The truth is this isn't ending for at least a month if not even longer.

Can you imagine the Canadian government announcing after 2 weeks that the social distancing can end, and within that first week we hear of new cases? That would be a literal PR nightmare.

There's no way we're going back to normal in 2-3 weeks from now.


the short version: no one knows with certainty

the long version: i dont think any entities actually believe they can wipe it out that soon. Several weeks would help tremendously to alleviate strain on infrastructure/systems, so healthcare workers dont have to practise battlefield medicine picking who gets to live who gets to die

having several weeks also limit asymptomatic spread

they're also wishing slightly warmer temps can slow the virus, doesnt seem realistic now

governments say 3 weeks helps buy time to develop vaccination but even 6 months would be incredibly optimistic for fda approval



as I can hoon around in my car with gas stations open.

it's been great to go on cruises with little traffic and more affordable gas

I was at Willingdon Costco an hour ago. There was a long line up to get in. It was to control the amount of shoppers in the building. I got in right away, because I was there to pick up my meds from the pharmacy. I was supposed to be escorted to the pharmacy, but they said I could go alone. It was my grandfatherly trusting look. Anyway, there was a line up at the pharmacy, too, lol. It was quick, though. An hour previous to that I was a the downtown location. No line up.

willingdon still creek at opening yesterday already had crowd control...it was civilized madness busy but everyone was staying calm

[snowball]

My understand is it's to contain the pandemic, stop the spread and also slow enough so our healthcare infrastructure doesn't get overwhelmed and basically collapse. The good news is there is a few vaccines getting tested, the EU said one might be ready for Fall.

In my opinion we dropped the ball . Few weeks ago our airports had nothing set up to screen incoming passengers. If China and Iran had outbreaks we should have halted flights or had more strict screening at airports. It's a lesson for all of us and that is to act proactive and not wait until it gets worst.

According to CBSA, we still have nothing set up the screen incoming passengers.

[Hondaracer]

An interesting take, albeit bordering on conspiracy. However, if all the countries in the world China is probably the least likely to look out for the greater good of humanity

https://i.imgur.com/ymdSlHB.png

https://i.imgur.com/oFjSeER.png

[Rallydrv]

recovery from covid can be upto 6 weeks. how the hell 2-3 weeks of lockdown gonna solve this.

[SkinnyPupp]

he is doing this because chinese govt is promoting theories that virus is from USA. he is putting china in its place.

For once i agree w/ him
You can agree with him, but it's not his place to do that shit on twitter. China are run by evil cartoon villains, Americans don't need their leader to stoop to their level.

More than 'fighting back' all this will do is increase the amount of racism there already is towards Asian people. There's already people getting beat up for no good reason, and now their president is adding fuel to the fire.

I am constantly blown away by how utterly stupid this person is. I don't even get it. Is he trolling the world? :fulloffuck:

[GS8]

This is why people are saying that this isn't ending anytime soon here.

The initial estimate of 2-3 weeks was simply to calm people down, primary the markets. The truth is, our governments aren't able to tell the full reality here, heck even Trump finally admitted yesterday this could last until July/August.

The truth is this isn't ending for at least a month if not even longer.

Can you imagine the Canadian government announcing after 2 weeks that the social distancing can end, and within that first week we hear of new cases? That would be a literal PR nightmare.

There's no way we're going back to normal in 2-3 weeks from now.

BTW anyone in Burnaby that goes to Steve Nash Brentwood, they had to close down as there have been possible cases at that gym for COVID-19. They have decided to close to complete some "deep cleaning" and apparently plan to reopen later this week, which is frankly nuts on their part.

I guess anyway to avoid closure and having to give money back to patrons who are paying a monthly rate to the gym itself?

I got an email saying all Steve Nash locations are closed indefinitely till the end of this month.

[eclipseman]

**edited 83, not 86.

83 new cases today in BC...

watch live here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbjZBZe5Pm4

[6793026]

There is no end game.

Look at Singapore + Taiwan... any country that is not from asian (been thru extreme SARS), are still treating this as "vacation / time off"

Italy + Spain + germany + France are about 3 weeks ahead of us. If US + Canada is going to follow footsteps, then you'll see city shut down very soon.

Since we did shut down school, now borders, what's next.... Depending on how servere, US will have lock downs.. Canada will have outbreaks but I don't think it'll lock down eg// Nelson / Fort St. John / 100 mile house... so i wnat to see what's going to happen.

Canada can't go in and clamp down hard, it'll slowly strap the country down slowly.

[i-vtecyo]

From low risk to public health emergency... does this mean its still low risk? what a joke

"British Columbia has declared a public health emergency and announced 83 new cases of the novel coronavirus and three new deaths."

[welfare]

This video is just heartbreaking.

https://youtu.be/KEQ3Bvuvef4

[SkinnyPupp]

https://twitter.com/yaneerbaryam/status/1239673678813683721

Poorly written tweet, but basically he's saying the sooner a country does a full lockdown, the earlier we'll be able to identify who has the virus, and they can be quarantined properly. Possibly as quickly as 2 weeks.

This also hinges on closing the borders.

[striderblade]

Still don't understand why they keep saying they are trying to slow down the spread... something like these need to stop immediately. The slowing down is just gonna drag on even longer down the road. When more people die from this Trudeau will have blood on his hand. A simple sorry will not cut it when he try to apologise at a press conference to the people and childs who lost their family during this. When he have the power to stop this thing dead on it's track right now.

[nah]

Still don't understand why they keep saying they are trying to slow down the spread... something like these need to stop immediately. The slowing down is just gonna drag on even longer down the road. When more people die from this Trudeau will have blood on his hand. A simple sorry will not cut it when he try to apologise at a press conference to the people and childs who lost their family during this. When he have the power to stop this thing dead on it's track right now.

It's taking a half ass approach at the moment. Lock everything down for a month and maybe we can come out ahead. It's going to drag on if there are holes in this shut down.

[rsx]

That Tweet is stupid. China didn't want to bring everyone down like he claims, how fucking stupid is that guy? They did it because like Trump, at the time they didn't understand it, thought they could control it and develop a solution sooner than later. China is heavily dependent on the world economy just like everyone else.

Edit: repeated myself

[welfare]

It's taking a half ass approach at the moment. Lock everything down for a month and maybe we can come out ahead. It's going to drag on if there are holes in this shut down.

It should have been done, at the very least, a week ago. Probably sooner.
My personal opinion, it's already far too late to contain.
We already have a crystal ball seeing three weeks ahead in Italy.
We've done nothing different. I see absolutely no reason why we'd have a different outcome.

[Hondaracer]

Regardless of what Trudeau says or does, people aren’t taking it seriously

Just went for a walk and the playgrounds are packed with kids, parents standing face to face chatting away etc.

[320icar]

So how do we actually keep track of the numbers? Just people that get really sick?

What about all the people with sore throats or light coughs that self quarantine and recover. Do they ever get properly tested?

[The_AK]

Regardless of what Trudeau says or does, people aren’t taking it seriously

Just went for a walk and the playgrounds are packed with kids, parents standing face to face chatting away etc.

Yea, I'm hearing children play outside while burrowed away like a rat with the blinds closed (glare from sun keeping me from working).

So how do we actually keep track of the numbers? Just people that get really sick?

What about all the people with sore throats or light coughs that self quarantine and recover. Do they ever get properly tested?

We wont know, any asymptomatic people wont even be reported as cases so we wont know final figures unless EVERYONE gets tested.

[SkunkWorks]

Gas is still expensive it's like $.83 on the east coast? Ugh

Not quite. 89.5 here in Halifax.

[SkinnyPupp]

My cousin in Calgary has the symptoms, which are mild enough so far (no major breathing issues). She was in contact with someone who tested positive. She's 48 :heckno:

[SkinnyPupp]

Now might be a good time to supplement Vitamin D. Research shows it can lower the risk of respiratory infection by as much as 50% in people who are deficient and 10% in people who had normal levels (https://www.bmj.com/content/356/bmj.i6583?fbclid=IwAR2uOsLFwG3jGfCfcryi-PrL3T2tlKHMAXaQwcNRr1j7yQ6OhOLFPid_xME). Note that none of this specifically applies to C19

This is important coming out of winter, most Canadians will be deficient, especially those with darker skin.

[inv4zn]

I realize this is a forum (and also RS), but man this is getting kinda wack.

Your (not aimed at anyone) anecdotal experiences do not reflect upon Canadian society as a whole. Most Canadians (except experts in this field, which I assume aren't fighting on RS) are just normal people trying to navigate through this shitstorm of something most of us never experienced before, trying to balance out living a somewhat regular life, doing what officials are telling us to do, and looking out for the health and safety of our loved ones while also trying to weed out the misinformation and downright bullshit that seems so prevalent this day and age.

Obviously it makes sense to look at other countries and their situations and responses, but you also have to realize that cultures, government policies, standards of living, etc., are all very different than here.

I'll use S. Korea as an example, because I'm Korean and my parents are currently there. They tested fucking everybody - we obviously can't do that here because Korea experienced outbreaks before and had a plan with resources and infrastructure in place. Then they traced back the steps of positive cases and informed people that may have been exposed, because they have so many fucking CCTVs and location tracking and all these things that we don't have in place here. Consensus is SKorea has a bit of a handle on things right now, and their response to this is mostly praised except a select group of people - fucking South Koreans. It's politically motivated but hardcore conservatives in Korea are outraged over the president's response to this - and are spreading misinformation like photoshopped images of the president using the wrong hand to cover his heart when singing the national anthem.

Let's leave that shit out of here. I see people fighting on FB because government said healthy people shouldn't wear masks, and how it's just a ploy because there's a mask shortage. Well fuck, if there really is a mask shortage, what is arguing about it going to do? Canada is not like Asia where wearing masks is a common thing because our air quality is far better than theirs, and therefore it doesn't make sense to have a huge stockpile of masks other than medical use. "But Hong Kong has a small outbreak because everyone wore masks!!" - maybe, but how is that going to help us now other than inciting panic and having shitheads steal masks from hospitals for people that actually really need them.

You also have to realize that we really do live in one of the best places on Earth - and that has produced a LOT of stupid, entitled people. Idiots that will block a busy intersection in front of a hospital so they can 'raise awareness' for something they have nothing to fucking do with. Idiots that will buy $70K worth of lysol wipes and flip them for huge profit at the expense of others because capitalism ftw! Idiots who hoard 400L of perishable milk and idiots who blatantly go to crowded places and bitch that their concert is cancelled.

"Locking down" is easy in theory but take a step back and think about it - who will enforce this? What about the idiots who scream "but muh human rights!". How is the economy going to survive when the government just shuts everything down?

"Trudeau is a pussy for letting Americans in!!" Have you considered that Americans really have no desire to come up here for leisure because their shit is also hitting the fan, haard? We ban Americans, the big cheeto down south retaliates out of sheer childishness because MAGA, and now there really is a food/supply shortage. Then you'll blame Trudeau for fucking us over!

It's a fucked up time right now, whether you think this is overblown or not. Just be adequately prepared as much as you can without being assholes hoarding shit you don't need, stay the fuck home if you're sick, and do what you're told by the government not because you're sheeple, but because it's the fucking decent thing to do when everything is so uncertain. Everyone is scared, if not of the virus than at least with all the sudden changes - but remember that there are people much worse off than you that actually may not make it through this, and lend a helping hand when you can. Be nice to retail workers, and be nice to elderly people and vulnerable people. Just be nice, and stop bickering about things that honestly don't matter at this point.

Fucking be what Canadians are stereotyped for being.

Also stop buying all the goddamn meat, I can't feed my pregnant wife fresh chicken ffs.
/rant.

[twitchyzero]

nothing wrong with criticizing all levels of the government when we were literally caught with our pants down from failure to learn from places like italy

how do you go from low risk to state of emergency in a day? we fucked up that's how...waited until almost 200 cases and 4 deaths to get off our asses

just because we have stubborn/entitled individuals in the population doesn't mean we should sit idle and let the strain depopulate us

cultural differences? different standards of living? who cares, we are all the same in the end, rich or poor, chinese or italian-- the virus doesn't discriminate

[Hondaracer]

That Tweet is stupid. China didn't want to bring everyone down like he claims, how fucking stupid is that guy? They did it because like Trump, at the time they didn't understand it, thought they could control it and develop a solution sooner than later. China is heavily dependent on the world economy just like everyone else.

Edit: repeated myself

Macleans article repeating similar message to that tweet:

https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/when-will-china-be-held-accountable-for-coronavirus/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

[Hondaracer]

So just read a tweet that South Korea is going to resume their pro basketball league in a few weeks because they are satisfied with the current state of containment?

Is there any truth to these little blips of info saying life is getting back to normal in places like Korea and China?

[underscore]

https://twitter.com/yaneerbaryam/status/1239673678813683721

Poorly written tweet, but basically he's saying the sooner a country does a full lockdown, the earlier we'll be able to identify who has the virus, and they can be quarantined properly. Possibly as quickly as 2 weeks.

This also hinges on closing the borders.

2 weeks is far too little because of asymptomatic people, and it can survive on surfaces for up to 9 days. You'd need at least 2 weeks + however long it lasts in an asymptomatic person + 9 days + a buffer since someone quarantined with them won't necessarily get it on day 1. You're probably closer to 2 months at that point.

[SkinnyPupp]

Note that the "9 days" thing is based on assumptions with other coronaviruses. And even that, that's a "best case scenario". The virus is actually quite easy to clean, which is why you saw them spraying the streets in China. Disinfection would obviously be part of the procedure, and would effectively wipe out the possibility of surface contamination.

Asymptomatic people who eventually get sick, I think the timeline on that is like 2-3 days, though it's been a while since I read that and it could have been updated since then.

[inv4zn]

So just read a tweet that South Korea is going to resume their pro basketball league in a few weeks because they are satisfied with the current state of containment?

Is there any truth to these little blips of info saying life is getting back to normal in places like Korea and China?

It's not that they will resume, it's just that they set a 4 week deferral, 2 weeks ago. It remains to see if they actually resume.

[striderblade]

So just read a tweet that South Korea is going to resume their pro basketball league in a few weeks because they are satisfied with the current state of containment?

Is there any truth to these little blips of info saying life is getting back to normal in places like Korea and China?

Not sure about normal but my coworker have families in china and he said they are getting better and better as day goes by Been a week and there are no new cases. In fact he even said china is probably the safest right now.

[donk.]

Too many news experts in this thread

[GS8]

Yeesh, CAD getting close to falling below 70 cents USD

https://www.xe.com/currencyconverter/convert/?Amount=1&From=CAD&To=USD

Lost 4 cents in about a week :eek5r::willnill::willnill::eek5r::willnill: :eek5r:

[whitev70r]

Read that KD tested +'ve.

[underscore]

Note that the "9 days" thing is based on assumptions with other coronaviruses. And even that, that's a "best case scenario". The virus is actually quite easy to clean, which is why you saw them spraying the streets in China. Disinfection would obviously be part of the procedure, and would effectively wipe out the possibility of surface contamination.

Asymptomatic people who eventually get sick, I think the timeline on that is like 2-3 days, though it's been a while since I read that and it could have been updated since then.

It'd be pretty difficult to ensure proper disinfection inside peoples homes and such though. Lets be realistic here, part of why it spread so much is people don't even wash their hands properly. So 14 days + 3 days + 14 days + 3 days + 9 days = 43 days give or take.

My concern here is people get too comfortable when things start trending downwards, governments want business to resume ASAP and everyone is given the all clear too soon and before you know it we're dealing with COVID-19 round 2, electric boogaloo.

Really our best bet atm is the fast test from Ireland + the possible cure from Australia. I wouldn't have guessed the world would be saved by Aussies and the Irish but I'm not about to complain. In the meantime as much isolation as possible to buy them time.

[Harvey Specter]

Yeesh, CAD getting close to falling below 70 cents USD

https://www.xe.com/currencyconverter/convert/?Amount=1&From=CAD&To=USD

Lost 4 cents in about a week :eek5r::willnill::willnill::eek5r::willnill: :eek5r:

Oil prices also have a lot to do with the sinking dollar.

[SkinnyPupp]

https://www.cheknews.ca/6pm-newscast-march-17-2020-655758/?fbclid=IwAR1vWAgClac92VIJsO65XH7I7Rb-RV2p0sXEg9SdkXZMdYJ0N5JOQEDyW-w

Watch the answer to the question at 34:29 :fulloffuck:

"You can only spread the virus if you have symptoms" WutFace

[Mikoyan]

Canada US border shutting down. Essential traffic only .
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/canada-us-border-1.5501201

[StylinRed]

Wow the numbers really jumped up today

[SkinnyPupp]

Wow the numbers really jumped up today
Everywhere else except Taiwan, HK, and Singapore, it has doubled every 3 days. Japan too, but they rarely tested

[Manic!]

Was at Costco around 7 p.m. Not that busy. They were out of TP some meats and frozen food. They had reduced the number of tills open only opening every second one. the food court only had hot dogs and full pizza. A worker pumped the condiments for you. All the seating in the food area was gone. Tomorrow they will start rationing TP.

Many people are not taking this seriously. Still have customers coming just to buy lotto.
I made this to mount on the counter of our store to keep some space between us and the customers. Made from some scrap wood.

https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/Ps3/i-MQD4vrc/0/755413b8/X3/20200317_184016-X3.jpg

[StylinRed]

Not quite. 89.5 here in Halifax.

Lol ah, I was thinking ontario, which is down to $.77 in some parts now

Gasbuddy says ns is down to $.79 ommmggg

[underscore]

Florida gonna Florida apparently

https://i.imgur.com/nTGU0fT.jpg

Brooklyn isn't looking much better

https://i.imgur.com/iDbSiEc.jpg

[Teriyaki]

Was at Costco around 7 p.m. Not that busy. They were out of TP some meats and frozen food. They had reduced the number of tills open only opening every second one. the food court only had hot dogs and full pizza. A worker pumped the condiments for you. All the seating in the food area was gone. Tomorrow they will start rationing TP.

Many people are not taking this seriously. Still have customers coming just to buy lotto.


Whats life without Lotto for the older folk...

[ilovebacon]

Florida gonna Florida apparently

https://i.imgur.com/nTGU0fT.jpg

Brooklyn isn't looking much better

https://i.imgur.com/iDbSiEc.jpg

Natural selections

[westopher]

Not really, no.
If only the people at those gatherings would be affected by this your comment might be a little more pertinent.

[RRxtar]

Hands up, who was saying this is just the media blowing things out of proportion and isn't a big deal?

Don't be shy

[striderblade]

Just read this and is pretty close to what we are about to get

https://www.boredpanda.com/coronavirus-outbreak-stages-italy-jason-yanowitz/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=BPFacebook

[westopher]

Hands up, who was saying this is just the media blowing things out of proportion and isn't a big deal?

Don't be shy
I certainly thought it was.
I’m not afraid to say I was wrong. Maybe if people admitted they were wrong more often other issues in the world would be treated as seriously as this?

[Hehe]

Many people are not taking this seriously. Still have customers coming just to buy lotto.
I made this to mount on the counter of our store to keep some space between us and the customers. Made from some scrap wood.

https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/Ps3/i-MQD4vrc/0/755413b8/X3/20200317_184016-X3.jpg


Amateur... :fuckthatshit:

https://i.imgflip.com/3t17fa.jpg

[hal0g0dv2]

anyone dealt with airlines and getting money back? Having a go-around with Cathay at the moment

[danned]

coronavirus challenge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NRuie80mKg
coronavirus challenge

[Manic!]

Amateur... :fuckthatshit:

https://i.imgflip.com/3t17fa.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gev15o6zd-Y

https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/connor-mcdavid-and-his-dog-encourage-the-public-to-practice-social-distancing-1.4857073

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/mel-brooks-and-his-son-explain-the-importance-of-social-distancing-1.4855995

[whitev70r]

Tiktok has the highest % of imbeciles on it by a country mile. No other social media is even a close 2nd.

[JSALES]

anyone dealt with airlines and getting money back? Having a go-around with Cathay at the moment

I booked through Expedia flying with Westjet. I was issued a credit with Expedia, I had to contact the westjet call centre though and they issued it on Expedia’s behalf since they’re impossible to get in contact with for a refund/credit.

[hal0g0dv2]

^^^ yeah..... CATHAY is trying to tell me I am not eligible for a refund, I booked through flight hub and surprisingly they will issue me a refund but only when they talk to CATHAY. On CATHAYS website I am allowed a refund with no issues... back and forth BS

[underscore]

Folding@home is running calculations to help with COVID-19 work. You can set it to run all the time or only when your computer is idle (or change it as needed). If you have a computer of any kind (Windows/Mac/Linux) every little bit helps. I used to run it on my spare PS3, I'm tossing it on all my computers now.

https://foldingathome.org/2020/03/15/coronavirus-what-were-doing-and-how-you-can-help-in-simple-terms/

[68style]

I got told to fuck off/too bad so sad basically a week or so ago for my April flight to LAX on Westjet which was booked through trip.com...... but now that Westjet is cancelling all their flights I think I should be able to? Not sure how to approach it though... guess I'll be spending a lot of time on hold.

[whitev70r]

Anyone else notice how passionate this guy is!

https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/covid19/nigel-howard-sign-language-interpreter-2173202

https://www.vmcdn.ca/f/files/via/images/nigel-howard-sign-language.jpeg;w=960

[68style]

YES I can't take my eyes off him every time he's on!! His facial expressions are amazing!

[6793026]

1) Amazon to stop accepting all products other than medical supplies and household staples to its warehouses amid coronavirus crisis — read the memo it just sent sellers

Amazon told sellers and vendors on Tuesday that it was suspending shipments of all nonessential products to its warehouses to deal with the increased workloads following the coronavirus outbreak.

Amazon is now prioritizing medical supplies, household staples, and other high-demand products to its warehouses until April 5.
The change only affects shipments to Amazon's warehouses, not the last-mile deliveries to consumers.

"We are temporarily prioritizing household staples, medical supplies, and other high-demand products coming into our fulfillment centers so that we can more quickly receive, restock, and deliver these products to customers," the message read.

2) Canada's Six Biggest Banks Take Decisive Action to Help Customers Impacted by COVID-19
https://www.benzinga.com/pressreleases/20/03/n15574981/canadas-six-biggest-banks-take-decisive-action-to-help-customers-impacted-by-covid-19

This support will include up to a six-month payment deferral for mortgages, and the opportunity for relief on other credit products.

[hal0g0dv2]

I got told to fuck off/too bad so sad basically a week or so ago for my April flight to LAX on Westjet which was booked through trip.com...... but now that Westjet is cancelling all their flights I think I should be able to? Not sure how to approach it though... guess I'll be spending a lot of time on hold.

yes.. you should be entitled to a full refund since they canceled the flight

[Ludepower]

Anyone else notice how passionate this guy is!

https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/covid19/nigel-howard-sign-language-interpreter-2173202

https://www.vmcdn.ca/f/files/via/images/nigel-howard-sign-language.jpeg;w=960

Everytime I see a sign language interpreter I think of the fakes who got busted for lying about being one. You're on national TV of course you'll get called out SMH.

https://youtu.be/LvNPKwz4Ghw

[SkinnyPupp]

To add to those idiots in Florida:

https://i.imgur.com/Ngb8O57.jpg

Some boy band in UK had a concert last weekend :seriously:

Edit: THREE of these, by the way. WutFace

[SkinnyPupp]

I certainly thought it was.
I’m not afraid to say I was wrong. Maybe if people admitted they were wrong more often other issues in the world would be treated as seriously as this?
That pharmacist guy left days ago LUL

Not sure who it was who insisted that people apologize to him, and whether they're still around. Maybe he owes us an apology? :considered:

[StylinRed]

cnn says Canada n US r preparing to cancel travel between the two countries

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/17/politics/us-canada-suspend-travel/index.html

(CNN)The United States and Canada are preparing to issue a joint statement in the next 24-48 hours to suspend non-essential travel between the two countries, a Trump administration official tells CNN.

The agreement is not yet finalized and officials are still working to define "non-essential travel," but the official stressed that the new restrictions will ensure that business and trade between the two countries can continue

[blkgsr]

and a guy is staying home today from work due to fever, headaches and really sore throat. here we go.

[Amuse]

Canada, U.S. closing border to non-essential traffic: Trump

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-us-border-deal-1.5501289


Non-essential travel means no more parcel pick ups in Blaine and Port Roberts?

[Hondaracer]

Macleans article repeating similar message to that tweet:

https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/when-will-china-be-held-accountable-for-coronavirus/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

For the people who failed this article and the prior tweet, another article from the Uk:

“Chinese govt. destroyed proof of the virus in December”

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/chinese-scientists-destroyed-proof-of-virus-in-december-rz055qjnj

[unit]

with sign language only having hand/arm movements, i'd imagine you can't articulate yourself nearly as well as with speech. a lot would get lost in translation without a doubt, so facial expression probably helps a fuck load. that guy is probably the fucking hemmingway of sign language.

[punkwax]

Canada, U.S. closing border to non-essential traffic: Trump

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-us-border-deal-1.5501289


Non-essential travel means no more parcel pick ups in Blaine and Port Roberts?

Are the contents of the parcel essential to your livelihood? If so, the border guard will need to agree. If not, leave it there.

[blkgsr]

glad i got my last parcel a little while ago

[StylinRed]

the cnn article was stating that essential travel will be very broadly defined

Some of the ongoing discussions involve what types of vehicles and individuals would still be allowed to travel between the two countries and for what purpose, the official said. The restrictions will likely allow for significant flexibility.

so if you're picking up packages for say.. your business? seems like it'd be fine


kind of like how everyone thinks saying their cough/runny noses/fever is "just allergies" is cool, since everyone hearing that is just like "oh okay"

[inv4zn]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/economic-aid-package-coronavirus-1.5501037

Federal aid package, $82B.


The emergency aid plan includes:

- Temporarily boosting Canada Child Benefit payments, delivering about $2 billion in extra support.
- A new Emergency Care Benefit of up to $900 biweekly, up to 15 weeks, to provide income support to workers, including the self-employed, who have to stay home and don't qualify for paid sick leave or employment insurance. The measure could disburse up to $10 billion.
- A six-month, interest-free reprieve on student loan payments.
- Doubling the homeless care program.
- Extending the tax filing deadline to June 1.
- Allowing taxpayers to defer until after Aug. 31 tax payments that are due after today and before September.
- $305 million for a new Indigenous Community Support Fund to address immediate needs in First Nations, Inuit and Métis Nation communities.


A bit skeptical to the long-term effects of this, but I'm sure it's a relieve in the short term for a lot of people affected by this.

[J____]

An interesting take, albeit bordering on conspiracy. However, if all the countries in the world China is probably the least likely to look out for the greater good of humanity


Actually USA is way worse. Just look at history, China is probably the least aggressive nation in terms of trying to take over humanity. Germans, English, French, Japanese, Americans, etc etc.

In fact I would go so far as saying that most western countries are the same as China. Look at Italy for example, when news got out about quarantine in the north, tons of people escaped in terms of self preservation, knowingly they run the risk of infecting the rest of the country.

Communism, democracy, western media, Chinese media, Western beliefs, Chinese beliefs, same shit different pile. When shit hits the fan, ALL government will think of the greater and self preservation over looking out for individual human rights. China is just upfront about it, while western governments make you think they care about you, but deep down under it's the same.

[Hondaracer]

The difference is we aren’t creating world threatening viruses through our social norms.

[JSALES]

^^^ yeah..... CATHAY is trying to tell me I am not eligible for a refund, I booked through flight hub and surprisingly they will issue me a refund but only when they talk to CATHAY. On CATHAYS website I am allowed a refund with no issues... back and forth BS

Yeah, Westjet said that to me as well how Expedia needs to call them. I would've preferred the refund but just settled with the credit instead

I got told to fuck off/too bad so sad basically a week or so ago for my April flight to LAX on Westjet which was booked through trip.com...... but now that Westjet is cancelling all their flights I think I should be able to? Not sure how to approach it though... guess I'll be spending a lot of time on hold.

I was in the same situation, had a flight to Palm Springs in April with Westjet. Maybe you'll have better luck contacting trip than expedia

[J____]

The difference is we aren’t creating world threatening viruses through our social norms.

haha there's no proof china created it. It's all conspiracy, just like the conspiracy that the US created if in the first place...


btw, to answer your other question. Life in China is pretty much almost back to normal. 90% of the shops are up and running in Shanghai atm, but the malls and restaurants are still half empty. Temp check and registration literally everywhere still. The only few new cases are from people coming back overseas. Wuhan is close to ending quarantine too. Some friends there are finally allowed out of their apartments

[UnknownJinX]

The difference is we aren’t creating world threatening viruses through our social norms.Eating bats or wild animals is far from a social norm in China.

Most people don't have access to and don't have the money to purchase wild animals like that. Underground markets, like I mentioned, will always exist. You can't eliminate them, period.

[inv4zn]

haha there's no proof china created it. It's all conspiracy, just like the conspiracy that the US created if in the first place...


I think he means created in the sense that it originated...not that someone nefariously decided to make it.

[GS8]

https://i2.wp.com/asiatimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Covid-19-.jpg?w=1200&ssl=1

Under a microscope :ahwow:


Also:

https://asiatimes.com/2020/03/australia-lab-to-human-test-reputed-covid-19-cure/

Don't get too excited. Still a process to get to the end goal.

There is an urgent push to develop effective Covid-19 treatments because a vaccine for widespread use is not expected to be developed for at least 18 months.

[MG1]

https://i2.wp.com/asiatimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Covid-19-.jpg?w=1200&ssl=1

Under a microscope :ahwow:


Also:

https://asiatimes.com/2020/03/australia-lab-to-human-test-reputed-covid-19-cure/

That thing looks nasty as fuck. Waiting to breed and mutate into a killing machine. War of the Worlds. The Martians’ revenge. Laying dormant until now, gulolol.

If the World Was Ending, you’ll Come Over, Right?

[Manic!]

What a piece of shit company.


https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/17/21184308/coronavirus-italy-medical-company-threatens-sue-3d-print-valves-treatments


Medical company threatens to sue volunteers that 3D-printed valves for life-saving coronavirus treatments
72 comments

The valve typically costs about $11,000 — the volunteers made them for about $1

[twitchyzero]

is yesterday’s restaruant ban still in effect ? Did establishments in bby shut down as well?

[Hondaracer]

I just went to subway in Burnaby but almost everything else in terms of dine-in options are closed.

[quasi]

I just spoke with my manager, we laid off a bunch of staff today across western Canada, he was giving me the heads up because he laid off my team except for me.

Our owner is anticipating all new project starts to be delayed 3-4 months? It's a guess who really knows. Our Kitimat site has been shut down, the other large sites we're working on most likely getting shut down tomorrow.

I feel terrible for the people who have been let go, hoping it's only temporary and we can get the good ones back. Who knows I could be next at any point. I'll continue to keep working from home until I hear different.

[westopher]

is yesterday’s restaruant ban still in effect ? Did establishments in bby shut down as well?
We shut down dine in operations at the beginning of the week out of respect for our staff and patrons. We will continue to do home delivery through door dash once it’s up and running tomorrow as well as offer take out. I’m also working on a “grocery” sort of menu that allows our sauces, condiments, fresh bread and sausages as a retail offering. People gotta eat, and lots people can’t cook but they can at least heat shit up.

[hud 91gt]

What a piece of shit company.


https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/17/21184308/coronavirus-italy-medical-company-threatens-sue-3d-print-valves-treatments

Props to those guys! Tough personal decision to continue despite lawsuits from large companies like that. #proud

[inv4zn]

Pieces of shits still thriving haha - first picture of first post.
https://forums.redflagdeals.com/costco-west-bc-ab-mb-sk-mar-16-23-118-people-mountain-people-sea-edition-2362095/

In other news, nearly all groceries have imposed item limits on staples (so far I've seen limits on milk, eggs, meats, frozen foods, bread, TP et al.) - and as a result stock is still low but rising. Milk fridge was full. I went to Market Crossing save-on during lunch and was able to get milk, eggs, etc.

Still no pasta + sauce though, except for the gluten-free stuff haha - tons of that left.

Also, just a reminder to be nice to retail workers - one lady was frantically stocking cheese so I just thanked her for all they're doing and she said it genuinely meant a lot.

[Doubl3_H]

So my mom's clai friend told her that someone over the weekend went to the tnt on first Ave and just today they were tested positive.

I went there on Monday morning, so how do I confirm whether or not it's true that someone was indeed tested positive and the location etc? Call 811 and ask?

[Simplex123]

2) Canada's Six Biggest Banks Take Decisive Action to Help Customers Impacted by COVID-19
https://www.benzinga.com/pressreleases/20/03/n15574981/canadas-six-biggest-banks-take-decisive-action-to-help-customers-impacted-by-covid-19

This support will include up to a six-month payment deferral for mortgages, and the opportunity for relief on other credit products.

Does anyone have more information about the mortgage deferral? Is it only for insured mortgages with the Big 6 banks?

[inv4zn]

Does anyone have more information about the mortgage deferral? Is it only for insured mortgages with the Big 6 banks?

https://www.reddit.com/r/PersonalFinanceCanada/comments/fkqk4j/mortgage_deferral/

Seems to be case-by-case, and banks are 'hesitant' to offer it to people who don't really need it immediately. I suspect hold times will be astronomical.

[Razor Ramon HG]

Pieces of shits still thriving haha - first picture of first post.
https://forums.redflagdeals.com/costco-west-bc-ab-mb-sk-mar-16-23-118-people-mountain-people-sea-edition-2362095/

In other news, nearly all groceries have imposed item limits on staples (so far I've seen limits on milk, eggs, meats, frozen foods, bread, TP et al.) - and as a result stock is still low but rising. Milk fridge was full. I went to Market Crossing save-on during lunch and was able to get milk, eggs, etc.

Still no pasta + sauce though, except for the gluten-free stuff haha - tons of that left.

Also, just a reminder to be nice to retail workers - one lady was frantically stocking cheese so I just thanked her for all they're doing and she said it genuinely meant a lot.

Nothing is really stopping anyone from just taking one off the dude. If I really needed one, I would've just walked up and took one.

What is the guy gonna do? Punch me? Costco isn't going to ban you.

[Badhobz]

https://i2.wp.com/asiatimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Covid-19-.jpg?w=1200&ssl=1

Under a microscope :ahwow:


https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1RVGbbvLsK1Rjy0Fbq6xSEXXah/Dog-Toys-Rubber-Bounce-Balls-Pet-Dog-Toys-Interactive-For-Puppy-Colour-Random-Pelotas-Para-Perro.jpg

my doggie bites on coronavirus everyday!!!! rawrrrr

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32981465612.html

[JSALES]

I think people should refrain from posting photos of empty grocery shelves on their social media. It instills fear into people panic buying even though we’re probably way past that point now.

[westopher]

Pieces of shits still thriving haha - first picture of first post.
https://forums.redflagdeals.com/costco-west-bc-ab-mb-sk-mar-16-23-118-people-mountain-people-sea-edition-2362095/

In other news, nearly all groceries have imposed item limits on staples (so far I've seen limits on milk, eggs, meats, frozen foods, bread, TP et al.) - and as a result stock is still low but rising. Milk fridge was full. I went to Market Crossing save-on during lunch and was able to get milk, eggs, etc.

Still no pasta + sauce though, except for the gluten-free stuff haha - tons of that left.

Also, just a reminder to be nice to retail workers - one lady was frantically stocking cheese so I just thanked her for all they're doing and she said it genuinely meant a lot.
Shoot me a message! We have shitloads of awesome tomato sauces from scratch available. Out of respect for the thread and my businesses owner I won’t be posting where I work as I don’t want my opinions to represent it, but I’m happy to tell those individually.
Also if anyone needs some cooking advice for how to make some big batches of shit, and how to cook something they may have no idea how to, I’ll offer what I can.

[Hondaracer]

Thanks Westopher, appreciate it.

There’s a couple restys around us I want to support, however their menu setup for take out is written so poorly I think it’s not going to go well for them..it’s a little Italian joint and I think English is their second language so when I emailed them regarding their post it turns out they wanted you to order 3 separate 3 course dinners...I’m gonna see if I can just buy a gift card from them but little mistakes like this can mean sink or swim unfortunately..

Another article, “99% of those who died from the virus in Italy had other health issues”

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says?__twitter_impression=true

As far as you can trust articles like this

[underscore]

The WHO is recommending to avoid ibuprofen, and to instead use paracetamol for treating symptoms, as ibuprofen looks to be worsening the effects.

https://www.sciencealert.com/who-recommends-to-avoid-taking-ibuprofen-for-covid-19-symptoms

[320icar]

Can’t wait for everyone to star leaning how to do canning and food preservation!!

inb4 next years epidemic of botulism

[Mikoyan]

The WHO is recommending to avoid ibuprofen, and to instead use paracetamol for treating symptoms, as ibuprofen looks to be worsening the effects.

https://www.sciencealert.com/who-recommends-to-avoid-taking-ibuprofen-for-covid-19-symptoms

FYI people, paracetamol is acetaminophen or Tylenol.

[bobbinka]

Let's wait until it's actually reported by WHO/CDC themselves (and not other media sources). I've already seen multiple messages being forwarded around with different stories about how Ibuprofen made things worse, but haven't been able to find anything from WHO/CDC.

Not saying it's not possible, but until it's confirmed, it's irresponsible to spread misinformation about medical treatment. The last thing we need is people refusing Ibuprofen when it could very well be the thing they actually need in any medical situation.

You would think that, after the number of people treated globally, someone would've caught on to something like this much earlier on given the common use of Ibuprofen, if it was indeed the case. The few things I see online are only media sources, and even then, they say there's not enough evidence and research (https://www.bbc.com/news/51929628).

[ImportPsycho]

today, I went to drive around Gold Ears park, just drive not get out of the car.
Cars lined up at the gate, parking lot full.
People on the lake, enjoying sunny afternoon...

lol are these people serious?
what virus? what social distancing? ROFL

[Euro7r]

today, I went to drive around Gold Ears park, just drive not get out of the car.
Cars lined up at the gate, parking lot full.
People on the lake, enjoying sunny afternoon...

lol are these people serious?
what virus? what social distancing? ROFL

Should have taken a picture and posted online. #WORKFROMHOME eh? LMAO LOL :troll:

[Great68]

Can’t wait for everyone to star leaning how to do canning and food preservation!!

inb4 next years epidemic of botulism

Yeah it really seems like a lost skill. My wife and I both learned to do it with our parents when we were kids so we do it together now every couple of years (about as long as our pickles last us). Pickle canning isn't hard, but canning tomatoes or meat/fish is a different story. I could totally see newbs fucking this up and not using a pressure canner, or using it improperly.

[bcedhk]

Should have taken a picture and posted online. #WORKFROMHOME eh? LMAO LOL :troll:

Most are probably working in retail/F&B's where they technically are out of a job.

[bobbinka]

Why you need to wash with soap for 20 seconds and not 5:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LKVUarhtvE

Stuff like this is what should be forwarded around

[Harvey Specter]

I have a friend who works for Save On, regional manager level and he said the warehouses aren't big enough to keep up with the demand but he also said some items are running out because there's more demand than supply. He also said they put limits but impossible to enfore because people are threaten staff.

I really think it's coming to a point where we need to deploy police to force limits because there's a lot of people who need certain foods for medical reasons and there's those who have kids especially newborns that need essentials. We're basically heading towards civil unrest if we don't enforce limits.

[bcedhk]

Mayor Stewart is trying to work with retailers to take action on the over-buying... but not sure how effecitve that will be or whether it will actually be ready during the peak of this pandemic.

[Rallydrv]

people are breaking in medical facilities to steal n95 and hand sanitizers. this leaves front line responders more venerable. not sure they are stealing for themselves or for profit. i hope police curtail this behavior fast .

[SkinnyPupp]

Taiwan has never had more than 50 cases, but in the last 2 days it has shot up to 100. All but 2 of them are incoming travelers.

Hong Kong was at around 100 for most of the time, but we're at 180 now. All but 4 were incoming travelers.

Singapore had 47 new cases yesterday, 33 from travelers. This is the scariest one

I have been yelling at everyone who will listen in these three "success story" countries - IT IS NOT OVER! STOP "LIVING YOUR LIFE" LIKE NORMAL! WutFace

[welfare]

I have a friend who works for Save On, regional manager level and he said the warehouses aren't big enough to keep up with the demand but he also said some items are running out because there's more demand than supply. He also said they put limits but impossible to enfore because people are threaten staff.

I really think it's coming to a point where we need to deploy police to force limits because there's a lot of people who need certain foods for medical reasons and there's those who have kids especially newborns that need essentials. We're basically heading towards civil unrest if we don't enforce limits.

Wait till lockdown is imposed..

[SkinnyPupp]

Eating bats or wild animals is far from a social norm in China.

Most people don't have access to and don't have the money to purchase wild animals like that. Underground markets, like I mentioned, will always exist. You can't eliminate them, period.
Sorry, this is a misconception. Every wet market you go to will have funky critters to sell. Some for food, some for TCM. Pangolins are not only eaten, but their scales are used in TCM.

And for those who want this stuff banned, forget about it. If moral obligation was more important than nationalism in China, it would have been banned a long time ago. Rhino poaching would have been banned. Bear torture would have been banned. They DID ban ivory trade a few years ago - only because it's not used in TCM. So they do know this stuff is wrong, they are just unwilling to give up on TCM.

The only thing that would get this shit to stop would be the banning of TCM. And you can forget about that from ever happening. Chinese govt promotes it like crazy, at the very least for nationalistic propaganda purposes. They want to promote it as the de-facto medicine practice in the nations they are developing throughout Africa and the rest of the world. Hell, they even had WHO remove their advisory not to rely on herbal medication for Coronavirus. Even now, with wildlife trade banned in China, they allow some animals to continue to be traded, for TCM purposes. This loophole is of course being abused to continue smuggling animals. FailFish

[Harvey Specter]

Sorry, this is a misconception. Every wet market you go to will have funky critters to sell. Some for food, some for TCM. Pangolins are not only eaten, but their scales are used in TCM.

And for those who want this stuff banned, forget about it. If moral obligation existed in China, it would have been banned a long time ago. Rhino poaching would have been banned. Bear torture would have been banned.

The only thing that would get this shit to stop would be the banning of TCM. And you can forget about that from ever happening. Chinese govt promotes it like crazy, at the very least for nationalistic propaganda purposes. Hell, they even had WHO remove their advisory not to rely on herbal medication for Coronavirus.

Hasn't China imposed a ban on exotic meats?

[punkwax]

I learned a new acronym today :teach:

[Amuse]

people are breaking in medical facilities to steal n95 and hand sanitizers. this leaves front line responders more venerable. not sure they are stealing for themselves or for profit. i hope police curtail this behavior fast .

That is horrible. Where is this?

[Amuse]

Hasn't China imposed a ban on exotic meats?
Wasn’t there a same ban during SARS and then it was lifted?
Also, underground wild life trade could happen.

There are many other wet markets worldwide, like in Indonesia. Wet markets should be banned worldwide with jail time if caught.

[JSALES]

How a couple of passengers were dressed flying out of YVR today

https://i.ibb.co/RYGN0YP/407-E2964-C1-BB-4034-B744-1-CE8827338-E8.jpg

[SkinnyPupp]

Hasn't China imposed a ban on exotic meats?
I edited my post after you replied: Even now, with wildlife trade banned in China, they allow some animals to continue to be traded, for TCM purposes. This loophole is of course being abused to continue smuggling animals.

I'll try to find a good English source for this

Edit: China’s Ban on Wildlife Trade a Big Step, but Has Loopholes, Conservationists Say (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/science/coronavirus-pangolin-wildlife-ban-china.html) (soft paywall unfortunately)

Original statement from the Wildlife Conservation Society (https://newsroom.wcs.org/News-Releases/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/13855/WCS-Statement-and-Analysis-On-the-Chinese-Governments-Decision-Prohibiting-Some-Trade-and-Consumption-of-Wild-Animals.aspx)

[SkinnyPupp]

That is horrible. Where is this?
There are some cases - it happened in Kobe, Japan (https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/02/18/national/crime-legal/6000-surgical-masks-stolen/) early on in the outbreak, and in France (https://www.france24.com/en/20200303-2-000-surgical-masks-stolen-from-french-hospital).

[striderblade]

Another 45 new cases today ��

[Gumby]

https://media.timesfreepress.com/img/photos/2020/03/16/200317mucheasier7634766232.jpg

[Simplex123]

I edited my post after you replied: Even now, with wildlife trade banned in China, they allow some animals to continue to be traded, for TCM purposes. This loophole is of course being abused to continue smuggling animals.

I'll try to find a good English source for this

Edit: China’s Ban on Wildlife Trade a Big Step, but Has Loopholes, Conservationists Say (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/science/coronavirus-pangolin-wildlife-ban-china.html) (soft paywall unfortunately)

Original statement from the Wildlife Conservation Society (https://newsroom.wcs.org/News-Releases/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/13855/WCS-Statement-and-Analysis-On-the-Chinese-Governments-Decision-Prohibiting-Some-Trade-and-Consumption-of-Wild-Animals.aspx)
In addition to that, this video is also a great source:
http://youtu.be/TPpoJGYlW54

[Hondaracer]

Straight up, and I don’t think this is that far fetched, if there is ever a major earth quake here you’re gonna wish you had a fire arm.

Like legit, might get to the point of having to shoot Somone, especially for business owners etc. People are too fucking stupid to be reasoned with

[SkinnyPupp]

Straight up, and I don’t think this is that far fetched, if there is ever a major earth quake here you’re gonna wish you had a fire arm.

Like legit, might get to the point of having to shoot Somone, especially for business owners etc. People are too fucking stupid to be reasoned with
I was listening to a non related podcast and they mentioned that there's a gun store outside their office in LA, and there was a line going around the block on the day shit went down in the US :heckno:

[eclipseman]

Straight up, and I don’t think this is that far fetched, if there is ever a major earth quake here you’re gonna wish you had a fire arm.

Like legit, might get to the point of having to shoot Somone, especially for business owners etc. People are too fucking stupid to be reasoned with

Reliable was VERY packed the day before it closed...

[JSALES]

Reliable was VERY packed the day before it closed...

I was browsing their firearm selection online a couple days ago because I was thinking about these worst case scenarios in my head lol

[ImportPsycho]

How a couple of passengers were dressed flying out of YVR today

https://i.ibb.co/RYGN0YP/407-E2964-C1-BB-4034-B744-1-CE8827338-E8.jpg

I'm not going to make fun of anybody from now, no matter how overly protective gears they have.

except, the water jug over the head is still funny as hell.

[eclipseman]

I was browsing their firearm selection online a couple days ago because I was thinking about these worst case scenarios in my head lol

Only their storefront is closed, so you can still order online and have it shipped...

[UnknownJinX]

Sorry, this is a misconception. Every wet market you go to will have funky critters to sell. Some for food, some for TCM. Pangolins are not only eaten, but their scales are used in TCM.

And for those who want this stuff banned, forget about it. If moral obligation was more important than nationalism in China, it would have been banned a long time ago. Rhino poaching would have been banned. Bear torture would have been banned. They DID ban ivory trade a few years ago - only because it's not used in TCM. So they do know this stuff is wrong, they are just unwilling to give up on TCM. If there are "critters", it won't be cheap and that alone probably steer a lot of people away.

The only thing that would get this shit to stop would be the banning of TCM. And you can forget about that from ever happening. Chinese govt promotes it like crazy, at the very least for nationalistic propaganda purposes. They want to promote it as the de-facto medicine practice in the nations they are developing throughout Africa and the rest of the world. Hell, they even had WHO remove their advisory not to rely on herbal medication for Coronavirus. Even now, with wildlife trade banned in China, they allow some animals to continue to be traded, for TCM purposes. This loophole is of course being abused to continue smuggling animals. FailFish

Some input from someone who grew up in Shanghai, China:

Never really saw anything too outlandish in the local wet markets. The farthest I have seen are dogs in a rural part, but given Shanghai, it's far from popular. I am sure if you look for it, you can find some weird stuff, but my family never seeked out for that kind of stuff so as long as you stay in the "normal" parts of the market, I don't think you will come across something too weird.

I am no expert in TCM, but for most of the more common recipes I had as a kid, I don't recall anything that's too outlandish. The weirdest one is probably cicada shells... Now I don't doubt there is some weird stuff that are used for TCM, but at the same time, it also boils down to the price and access. Your average doctor in public hospitals(which most people go to) will likely prescribe you what you can easily afford(herbs and farm animal parts) versus the weird ones that are rarer, more expensive and possibly illegal.

TCM is a touchy topic. Personally I think it's been around for a long time so there is at least some truth to them. Like I said, very outlandish recipes exist for sure, but how widely they are used is up for debate.

And banning doesn't solve this problem. Illegal markets will always exist in any jurisdictions. Hard drugs are illegal and immoral, but people still make and sell them, but again, most people steer clear of them. A small number of people have that demand, it will have to be filled somehow.

Just did a bit of research on Pangolin, and came across a very interesting point mentioned on Wikipedia: Pangolin doesn't have a natural habitat in Wuhan or Hubei province for that matter. I know not to trust Wikipedia on everything but you can pretty much check any source and confirm Pangolin's natural habitats. So why did it break out in Wuhan and nowhere else? Seems odd, unless poachers know something we don't(highly unlikely).

[SkinnyPupp]

Some input from someone who grew up in Shanghai, China:

Never really saw anything too outlandish in the local wet markets. The farthest I have seen are dogs in a rural part, but given Shanghai, it's far from popular. I am sure if you look for it, you can find some weird stuff, but my family never seeked out for that kind of stuff so as long as you stay in the "normal" parts of the market, I don't think you will come across something too weird.

I am no expert in TCM, but for most of the more common recipes I had as a kid, I don't recall anything that's too outlandish. The weirdest one is probably cicada shells... Now I don't doubt there is some weird stuff that are used for TCM, but at the same time, it also boils down to the price and access. Your average doctor in public hospitals(which most people go to) will likely prescribe you what you can easily afford(herbs and farm animal parts) versus the weird ones that are rarer, more expensive and possibly illegal.

TCM is a touchy topic. Personally I think it's been around for a long time so there is at least some truth to them. Like I said, very outlandish recipes exist for sure, but how widely they are used is up for debate.

And banning doesn't solve this problem. Illegal markets will always exist in any jurisdictions. Hard drugs are illegal and immoral, but people still make and sell them, but again, most people steer clear of them. A small number of people have that demand, it will have to be filled somehow.

Just did a bit of research on Pangolin, and came across a very interesting point mentioned on Wikipedia: Pangolin doesn't have a natural habitat in Wuhan or Hubei province for that matter. I know not to trust Wikipedia on everything but you can pretty much check any source and confirm Pangolin's natural habitats. So why did it break out in Wuhan and nowhere else? Seems odd, unless poachers know something we don't(highly unlikely).
Pangolins are imported by the ton into China for food and TCM, and continue to do so to this day.

It broke out in Wuhan because, despite your personal anecdotes, wet markets store tons of animals in dangerously close proximity, in tiny dirty cages covered in their own filth, the shit pouring down from the animals on the top of the pile onto the ones below them.

None of this is new or mysterious or made up.

[UnknownJinX]

Pangolins are imported by the ton into China for food and TCM, and continue to do so to this day.

It broke out in Wuhan because, despite your personal anecdotes, wet markets store tons of animals in dangerously close proximity, in tiny dirty cages covered in their own filth, the shit pouring down from the animals on the top of the pile onto the ones below them.

None of this is new or mysterious or made up.

You didn't really answer my question. OK, it's imported, so why didn't the virus break out at wherever it's imported from?

And have you been to a wet market or you just reading something online that tries to discover the most filthy ones because that attracts clicks? I will say it's not the most sanitary place, but if it's that disgusting, it's not good for the business, either. I think probably the filthiest are the avians but those are farm animals.

The main point I have been trying to make is that Pangolin isn't like a regular dish your average Chinese person will have, just due to accessibility and high prices. Banning doesn't solve much in this case: those rich people will always find ways to have them if they so wish, just means they gotta spend a little extra. Your average person won't be seeking them in the first place. What is being achieved here?

You can also see that Pangolin consumption isn't just limited in China, so either the virus didn't originate from it, or every other country has somehow just been extremely lucky.

"Pangolins have been consumed as a source of protein in virtually every range country throughout human history. In Asia, this continues, but in many places local consumption has been foregone in favour of selling the animals into illicit, international trade because of the high prices pangolins can fetch. The majority of this trade is destined to China and Vietnam, as well as other countries in Southeast Asia, where pangolins are consumed as a delicacy. The high price and perceived rarity means consumers eat pangolins as a luxury product to demonstrate their wealth and reinforce social status, for example, businesspeople trying to impress clients on signing contracts. In Africa, pangolins are eaten as wild meat, especially in West and Central Africa, where local rather than international trade is predominant. Estimates suggest that at least 400,000 pangolins are hunting and consumed locally in Central Africa each year (2)."

https://www.pangolinsg.org/pangolins/threats/

Not that I encourage Pangolin consumption, but some of your claims need sources.

[Acura604]

will domestic flights be next to be grounded?

company wants to send me to some conference up in Prince Rupert

[striderblade]

Wait who's the genius that come up with the 50 people is an ok number to have in a restaurant? Didn't this all started from 1 person? Like if a place have 51 people it will some how cause a major impact? Lol.

[CorneringArtist]

will domestic flights be next to be grounded?

company wants to send me to some conference up in Prince Rupert

Air Canada has announced paring down of their domestic and international flights.

[!LittleDragon]

Quick history of TCM

https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4259

Today we're going to take a look at how Chinese alternative medicine spread into the Western world. Promoters of alternative medicine claim that this ancient wisdom was (and is) in common use throughout China, and the Western world is becoming aware of its value. Skeptics of this position point out that alternative medicine was only used in Chinese rural areas where conventional treatments were not available, and it became popular because it was inexpensive, not because it was effective. The actual history brings some interesting perspective onto both of these points of view.

So let's go back and visit revolutionary China, around the middle of the 20th century. Mao Zedong's Great Leap Forward was in full swing, precedent to the Cultural Revolution. At the beginning of this period, most Chinese were one of the world's isolated populations, to whose doorsteps modern innovations had not yet arrived, much like many Africans, Indians, and Indonesians. They lived largely unaware of what was happening in science and technology, and their worldviews were dominated by local traditions. Medicine was rarely seen by any of these populations; when someone was ill, traditional treatments based on centuries of unscientific beliefs were what was known and applied.

Meanwhile, throughout most industrialized population centers in the world, including China's big cities, hospitals practiced the leading edge of medicine. Chinese oncologists prescribed chemotherapy for cancer just like in other parts of the world. Patients in great pain would be given opiates. As early as 1949, the Chinese Academy of Sciences was one of the world's leading research institutions in life sciences and medicine. One difference that you would have seen between Chinese hospitals and those in other nations was the use of acupuncture, which was and still is in relatively wide usage; however, with an important proviso. In China, acupuncture is only used for pain relief, never as a treatment, and always in conjunction with conventional painkiller medications whenever available. It's essentially an ornament alongside the same basic treatments used in other modern hospitals.

This application of the best medical science available was all well and good for those Chinese living in the cities, but it wasn't doing much for those a thousand kilometers out in the country who were scarcely even aware that the cities existed. In 1958, Mao Zedong launched a Communist party magazine in China called Red Flag. Its title on the front page was written in Mao's own calligraphy. Red Flag was the government's primary mouthpiece throughout China for Mao's reform programs, explaining the plans and laying out the philosophy. One of the national problems that Red Flag addressed was healthcare. By 1964, the urban population was still less than 2% that of the national population, with the overwhelming majority living in remote rural areas. Yet that 2% living in the cities received almost all of China's healthcare budget, and all of the benefit of innovations from modern medicine.

Mao's government had tried since 1949 to recruit and encourage doctors to move from the cities to the country, but this had been largely a failure. What healthcare there was had been mainly provided by traveling teams of doctors who would spend a few weeks in the outlying provinces, but would then return to their hospitals in the cities where they could receive a decent income. The problem grew more pronounced with the increasing spread of schistosomiasis, a parasitic disease that caused infection and organ damage, and is most notably characterized by swelling in the abdomen. Schistosomiasis came to be something of an iconic symbol for the lack of healthcare in China.

Mao planned a fix. In 1968, Red Flag published what was to be China's solution. Mao's experience had taught him that efforts to push healthcare out to the countryside were doomed, and so he did the opposite. Farmers were recruited from all over China, given free training, and sent back to their own villages to serve as medical professionals.

Within just a few years, some 150,000 doctors and 350,000 paramedics — half a million workers to serve over half a billion patients — were at work throughout the country. They became known as the barefoot doctors. Candidates were required to be high school graduates. Most received three to six months of training at the nearest hospital, and when they worked as doctors in their villages they accumulated work points just as they did for their normal farming work. (Work points were a system used in communist China to tabulate each family's productivity, for which they could receive grain beyond the basic allotment, or other goods and services.) Barefoot doctors worked no more than half-time as medics; they were still required to continue their agricultural work to prevent productivity from suffering. Many barefoot doctors went on to later attend medical school and became licensed doctors. In fact, Professor Chen Zhu, China's Minister of Health and a Vice President of the Chinese Academy of Sciences, actually began his career as a barefoot doctor in the countryside in Jiangxi Province before deciding to go to medical school.

By 1970, China boasted a great army of half a million paramedics. They were trained and they were stationed throughout the country where they were most needed. But there was still a problem, a very large problem. There were almost no resources to equip the barefoot doctors with medical instruments, supplies, or drugs. There was a medical treatment available for schistosomiasis, but there was no money for the barefoot doctors to provide it. So they employed the one resource China had always had plenty of: Manpower. Schistosomiasis is caused by worms, and these worms are spread by infected snails through a local water supply. Throughout China, barefoot doctors directed workers to clear ponds and streams, and eradicate the snail population. It was quite successful; within fifteen years, this simple technique reduced the incidence of schistosomiasis from ten million per year to just over two million, and in some areas, it was nearly completely eliminated.

Another significant part of their training was in first aid, to address injuries and other medical emergencies. Pre- and post-natal care was also taught, as well as basic hygiene like washing hands before eating. The barefoot doctors were taught to recognize the symptoms of conditions requiring medical treatment, and were trained to refer such patients to the nearest hospital. But what about everything in between; illness not serious enough to warrant hospitalization, wellness care, and simple treatable conditions? Barefoot doctors were enabled to prescribe medications, but the problem was that medication was hard to come by and often too expensive for peasants. Mao knew he didn't have the funds to stock 150,000 new pharmacies throughout China. So, he provided an alternative.

The Revolutionary Health Committee of Hunan Province published a textbook, A Barefoot Doctor's Manual, intended to equip the unequipped barefoot doctor with everything he needed. The manual is amazingly comprehensive, giving instructions for how nearly any expected illness can and should be treated. It covers basic anatomy, birth control, hygiene, and diagnosis. Interestingly, it also anticipates the likely unavailabilty of needed medical therapies. So as a supplement, the bulk of its content is about medicinal herbs: What they look like, how to collect and prepare them, and what conditions they are believed to treat.

When A Barefoot Doctor's Manual reached Western cultures, Chinese alternative medicine went from being a vague curiosity to being an all-out pop-culture fad.

But the book provided a somewhat flawed introduction. It did not provide an insight into what was happening in Chinese hospitals, nor even what most fully licensed medical doctors would have practiced. A Barefoot Doctor's Manual instead showed what the worst equipped Chinese medics would have to resort to under the worst circumstances. Westerners got a slanted perception of Chinese medicine from the book.

While it's true that A Barefoot Doctor's Manual advocates alternative therapies, it also recommends conventional medical treatment whenever available. For example, the manual describes the treatment for Japanese encephalitis. It recommends the use of acupuncture, mud packs, a compress using extracts of toad, and herbal teas. But it also gives the list of conventional drugs that should be given intravenously. Throughout the manual, almost every disease listed includes the conventional medical treatment that should be given whenever available, and the traditional treatment to be given otherwise.

However, I found out something quite interesting when I tried to verify this. There are a number of English translations of A Barefoot Doctor's Manual available. I was intrigued when I saw that the page counts varied widely. Some are as short as 372 pages, some as long as 960. I could only find one edition available in electronic form to allow searching and comparison, and it's the one that's been most widely published in the US. It's from The Running Press, and its full title is A Barefoot Doctor's Manual: A Concise Edition of the Classic Work of Eastern Herbal Medicine. Note that word "concise". Beginning in 1977, The Running Press used to publish a longer version of the book, which is now out of print. Its title was A Barefoot Doctor's Manual: The American Translation of the Official Chinese Paramedical Manual. By scanning through brief snippets of the original full-length text available on Google Books, I found that the complete conventional medical treatment for Japanese encephalitis was given. But searching through the "concise" edition, which I bought, all such mentions of conventional medicine have been deleted. Some 600 pages of sound medical information were cut from the book for Western audiences. What remains is essentially a list of Chinese traditional treatments, with nothing to inform the reader that the barefoot doctors ever relied on anything else. The edition was not simply made concise; it was carefully edited to give a skewed (and untrue) impression of what Chinese medicine is. The publishers changed it from a responsible paramedical manual into a promotion for alternative medicine under the guise of "ancient Chinese wisdom".

And so, when we look at the history as a whole, we find that alternative medicine did not represent what knowledgeable Chinese doctors would have prescribed, at least not since the dawn of science-based medicine; and so the argument that alternative medicine is valid because the Chinese use it, is false. And we also find that the skeptical claim that Mao promoted alternative medicine through the barefoot doctor plan because it was cheap is not quite true either. The plan was an honest attempt to provide the best available medical care, and it only fell back upon alternative therapies when nothing else was at hand...and unfortunately, this was the case...all too often.


By Brian Dunning


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References & Further Reading
Daqing Z., Unschuld, P. "China's Barefoot Doctor: Past, Present, and Future." The Lancet. 29 Nov. 2008, Volume 372, Issue 9653: 1865-1867.

Editors. A Barefoot Doctor's Manual: The American Translation of the Official Chinese Paramedical Manual. Philadelphia: The Running Press, 1977.

Editors. A Barefoot Doctor's Manual: A Concise Edition of the Classic Work of Eastern Herbal Medicine. Philadelphia: The Running Press, 2003.

MacFarquhar, R., Fairbank, J. The Cambridge History of China, Volume 15, Part 2. New York: Cambridge University Press, 1991. 651-652.

Valentine, V. "Health for the Masses: China's Barefoot Doctors." NPR. National Public Radio, 4 Nov. 2005. Web. 17 May. 2011. <http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4990242>

Yihong P. Tempered in the Revolutionary Furnace: China's Youth in the Rustication Movement. Lanham: Lexington Books, 2003. 47-48.

[R-kOO]

Wait who's the genius that come up with the 50 people is an ok number to have in a restaurant? Didn't this all started from 1 person? Like if a place have 51 people it will some how cause a major impact? Lol.

The point of this designated number is to limit the exposure to x amount of people, because it's here,it's going to happen, and is happening.

It's a numbers game to "flatten the curve" as they say.

[KDMofo]

How is everyone else's workplace dealing with closing and paying their employees?

Specifically salary employees.

We're trying to keep our shop open as long as possible cause my employee's including myself want/need to work.

[UnknownJinX]

https://www.latimes.com/food/story/2020-03-11/coronavirus-china-wet-markets

Interesting article.

"But this is a wildlife regulation problem, not a wet market problem. Not that long ago, chickens in wet markets were sold live, killed on the spot. Avian flu and the subsequent wholesale elimination of live chickens from wet markets is proof that the country has the regulatory power and ability to execute urgent health policy when it needs to. Exotic meat does not need to be regulated out of existence, as a bill passed in China’s legislature on Feb. 24 promised, but needs a more nuanced and comprehensive approach. A blanket ban will only push it underground. Education, regulation, a supervised farm network and explicitly legal channels for consumers are all needed to counter the existing gray market."

Like I said, just banning it won't do anything. Real life isn't a forum where you just banhammer someone's IP and problem solved. The approach mentioned in the article is much more likely to be more effective.

[SkinnyPupp]

You didn't really answer my question. OK, it's imported, so why didn't the virus break out at wherever it's imported from?

And have you been to a wet market or you just reading something online that tries to discover the most filthy ones because that attracts clicks? I will say it's not the most sanitary place, but if it's that disgusting, it's not good for the business, either. I think probably the filthiest are the avians but those are farm animals.

The main point I have been trying to make is that Pangolin isn't like a regular dish your average Chinese person will have, just due to accessibility and high prices. Banning doesn't solve much in this case: those rich people will always find ways to have them if they so wish, just means they gotta spend a little extra. Your average person won't be seeking them in the first place. What is being achieved here?

You can also see that Pangolin consumption isn't just limited in China, so either the virus didn't originate from it, or every other country has somehow just been extremely lucky.

"Pangolins have been consumed as a source of protein in virtually every range country throughout human history. In Asia, this continues, but in many places local consumption has been foregone in favour of selling the animals into illicit, international trade because of the high prices pangolins can fetch. The majority of this trade is destined to China and Vietnam, as well as other countries in Southeast Asia, where pangolins are consumed as a delicacy. The high price and perceived rarity means consumers eat pangolins as a luxury product to demonstrate their wealth and reinforce social status, for example, businesspeople trying to impress clients on signing contracts. In Africa, pangolins are eaten as wild meat, especially in West and Central Africa, where local rather than international trade is predominant. Estimates suggest that at least 400,000 pangolins are hunting and consumed locally in Central Africa each year (2)."

https://www.pangolinsg.org/pangolins/threats/

Not that I encourage Pangolin consumption, but some of your claims need sources.
Pangolins are imported and collected (among other animals) in large numbers throughout markets in China. The reason outbreaks don't occur when they're in their natural habitat should be obvious...

And yes, audacious eating is big with rich people who want to show off. That means the market for this food will exist. People who do this don't care about anything other than showing how awful they can be. Look at me, I am eating a pangolin/koala/wolf cub/giraffe penis/etc. I bet there are some who are deranged enough to eat pandas.

But that's only part of it, the rest is TCM. Pangolin scales are believed to have the typical whacky TCM claims - improving blood flow, treating rheumatism, removing "meridian obstruction", using their bile to treat liver ailments.

Because TCM isn't going away, wild trade won't go away. This includes pangolins as well as tigers, bears, etc.

And because of that, the market for evil dieting will still be there.

What makes it all worse is that the Chinese govt is fighting hard to change reality, claiming the virus didn't come from these markets. They will do everything in their power to protect TCM. Including provoking America and spreading racism on both sides of the border.

Also, typically the only regulations that are strictly enforced are those that threaten the party itself. Other rules are generally lax in China, you know that.

Edit: Not sure what sources you need... Sources of pangolins used in TCM? Just google it... Here's The Lancet (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30063-3/fulltext), using Chinese sources talking about it.

[UnknownJinX]

Pangolins are imported and collected (among other animals) in large numbers throughout markets in China. The reason outbreaks don't occur when they're in their natural habitat should be obvious...

And yes, audacious eating is big with rich people who want to show off. That means the market for this food will exist. People who do this don't care about anything other than showing how awful they can be. Look at me, I am eating a pangolin/koala/wolf cub/giraffe penis/etc. I bet there are some who are deranged enough to eat pandas.

But that's only part of it, the rest is TCM. Pangolin scales are believed to have the typical whacky TCM claims - improving blood flow, treating rheumatism, removing "meridian obstruction", using their bile to treat liver ailments.

Because TCM isn't going away, wild trade won't go away. This includes pangolins as well as tigers, bears, etc.

And because of that, the market for evil dieting will still be there.

What makes it all worse is that the Chinese govt is fighting hard to change reality, claiming the virus didn't come from these markets. They will do everything in their power to protect TCM. Including provoking America and spreading racism on both sides of the border.

Also, typically the only regulations that are strictly enforced are those that threaten the party itself. Other rules are generally lax in China, you know that.

Edit: Not sure what sources you need... Sources of pangolins used in TCM? Just google it... Here's The Lancet (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30063-3/fulltext), using Chinese sources talking about it.

The number and density can make sense, I am not sure if Wuhan is a big place for that but it's possible. Either way, while I wouldn't be surprised if the Chinese government is lying, I think we will never know the absolute truth. I do accept that the theory that it originated in China at the wet market, as it stands now, to be the most likely one.

As for TCM... Yeah, the Chinese government won't be doing away with it completely, but I would hope that at least down the line, some of these protected wild animal recipes can be done away. If we can eliminate the demand, that will help solve the problems.

And agreed on the last claim.

Edit: Damn, did some research and seems like poaching for the scales is a much larger issue, since as mentioned, it's legal to be used as a part of TCM and thus can be easily and legally acquired. And yes the claims for its effects are very dubious.

[RiceIntegraRS]

Kinda surprised this hasnt been posted here yet. Unless i didnt see it then my apologies

https://www.canada.ca/en/department-finance/economic-response-plan.html#individual

Emergency Funds for COVID-19:

1. GST credit - $400 single adults - $600 for couples

2. Child Tax benefit Top up - $300 per child added on top of
what you receive already.

3. Student loan payments deferred
-6 month timeframe
-no payments
-no interest accrual

4. Indigenous community based support fund
-$305 million

5. $200 million provided for community resources
-Shelters/homeless needs
-Sexual assault/transition homes

6. 10% wage subsidy for small-medium sized businesses for employees.
-$25,000 per employer

7. Ensured Mortgage Protection Program
-50 billion provided
-payment deferrals
-special payment arrangements

8. Bank Supports
-auto loans - deferral of payments possible
-contact bank directly
-speak to your institutions

9. Personal Income Tax
-payment before September. 1st/2020 - extended deadline for income tax payments owed

-Filing deadline for Income Tax - June.1st/2020

10. Emergency Care Benefit
-Quarantined or caring for sick family member
-Providing $900 bi weekly
-Payment via direct deposit
-Will not require medical documentation
-Starting early April

11. Emergency support fund - $5 Billion
-more info to come

*Supply chains from groceries will maintain fair prices for Canadians

PLEASE SEE WEBSITE ON HOW TO APPLY FOR PROGRAMS:

https://www.canada.ca/en/department-finance/economic-response-plan.html#individual

[ilovebacon]

Kinda surprised this hasnt been posted here yet. Unless i didnt see it then my apologies

https://www.canada.ca/en/department-finance/economic-response-plan.html#individual

Emergency Funds for COVID-19:

1. GST credit - $400 single adults - $600 for couples

2. Child Tax benefit Top up - $300 per child added on top of
what you receive already.

3. Student loan payments deferred
-6 month timeframe
-no payments
-no interest accrual

4. Indigenous community based support fund
-$305 million

5. $200 million provided for community resources
-Shelters/homeless needs
-Sexual assault/transition homes

6. 10% wage subsidy for small-medium sized businesses for employees.
-$25,000 per employer

7. Ensured Mortgage Protection Program
-50 billion provided
-payment deferrals
-special payment arrangements

8. Bank Supports
-auto loans - deferral of payments possible
-contact bank directly
-speak to your institutions

9. Personal Income Tax
-payment before September. 1st/2020 - extended deadline for income tax payments owed

-Filing deadline for Income Tax - June.1st/2020

10. Emergency Care Benefit
-Quarantined or caring for sick family member
-Providing $900 bi weekly
-Payment via direct deposit
-Will not require medical documentation
-Starting early April

11. Emergency support fund - $5 Billion
-more info to come

*Supply chains from groceries will maintain fair prices for Canadians

PLEASE SEE WEBSITE ON HOW TO APPLY FOR PROGRAMS:

https://www.canada.ca/en/department-finance/economic-response-plan.html#individual

I watched him state it in English and French this morning. I'm very happy that we're all supporting each other during this pandemic.

[ws6ta]

https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1240371160078000128

:rukidding:

[SkinnyPupp]

The mild Trudeau haters must be pretty happy with him now

Can you imagine if the Conservatives won... :heckno:

[bobbinka]

Kinda surprised this hasnt been posted here yet. Unless i didnt see it then my apologies

https://www.canada.ca/en/department-finance/economic-response-plan.html#individual


Because people would rather read chain mail messages and exaggerated media sources?

[ilovebacon]

Does anyone know how to apply?

[welfare]

The mild Trudeau haters must be pretty happy with him now

Can you imagine if the Conservatives won... :heckno:

I don't know that any party would be much concerned with spending money at this point.

Canadian crude has dropped to an all-time low at $7.40/barrel.
Canada's dollar is likely to continue to plummet.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/oil-record-low-7-47-200928535.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAJWjrSj4ocHbW465WEJdyhHz18ck iJdtJvHSGDrwz3TS5LA-jrGwFlYwiSrF-7vfJrWkjeXTzRZKLLTzbC2usm0KmNwOqTiUsgbktazG8K5YBL1 AWxwme8YDsdYhtxU_5UtBP-elwxBrSQfVRzbi2NmsIn6onU7JOTlrUNkp3Je5

(Bloomberg) -- In the oil price war between Saudi Arabia and Russia, the first big victim is likely to be Canada.

Hit by unfettered supply from Russia and Saudi Arabia and reduced demand as a result of the coronavirus, the benchmark blend of crude produced from Canada’s oil sands plunged to a record low of $7.47 a barrel on Wednesday. The fallout: Virtually every barrel of oil now produced there will come at a loss at a time when the energy industry generates 10% of Canada’s gross domestic product and a fifth of its exports.

[Harvey Specter]

Sen. John Cornyn Says China ‘Is to Blame’ for Coronavirus Because They ‘Eat Bats and Snakes and Dogs’

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/sen-john-cornyn-says-china-is-to-blame-for-coronavirus-because-they-eat-bats-and-snakes-and-dogs/

A friend of mine who's Chinese works IT for Pirelli in Italy. He basically got out before the pandemic blew up but he said Italy is a no go for anyone Asian for a long time. Even before the pandemic he would tell me how co-workers would say he was stealing info to make replica tires in China and in general would never be welcomed when he went out. He might not return to Italy or Europe and instead look for work locally.

[striderblade]

https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1240371160078000128

:rukidding:

Lol omfg as bad as it sound I hope all these dumb fuck catch it and we'll see what suck at the of the day. I mean is probably best to wipe them out at once anyway so we get less of these type people on this planet. Ignorant fucker gonna get everyone kill. That dumb bitch....I'm 21 just gonna party wooo...2 weeks later we'll see her death feed on facebook saying 21 gone too soon. :rukidding:

[twitchyzero]

cad was 0.71 usd yesterday 0.68 now

[StylinRed]

Italy is going to surpass China in deaths by tomorrow, and what's more shocking is that Italy isn't counting deaths from nursing homes, because they won't even test them for corona, but reportedly there are many nursing home deaths due to a flu

Just reported on bbc

[westopher]

Now that things are being reported to be returning to normal (ish) in China, what did they do that Italy hasn't?
What can we learn?
And I'm not talking about placing blame on reactions anywhere. What do we need to do tomorrow, what does the government need to do tomorrow?

[SpeedStars]

They created hospitals to quarantine everyone that was *suspected* to be infected and made attempts to pretty much test EVERYONE. Country was on lockdown for nearly two mounths and they also had communism on their side.

Italy is in lockdown and hopefully it works. The thing that is killing people in Italy atm is the lack of healthcare for people due to it being overcapacity. It appears that the only way to control this virus is either test everyone and quarantine them or have a complete shutdown.

[bobbinka]

Now that things are being reported to be returning to normal (ish) in China, what did they do that Italy hasn't?
What can we learn?
And I'm not talking about placing blame on reactions anywhere. What do we need to do tomorrow, what does the government need to do tomorrow?

Lie?

[Mr.HappySilp]

How is everyone else's workplace dealing with closing and paying their employees?

Specifically salary employees.

We're trying to keep our shop open as long as possible cause my employee's including myself want/need to work.

As far as my company goes. Some dept are strictly working from home, others are on rotation schedule so some will come in MWF and others TTH and switch every week. Others like myself are still working in the office but it could change the next day. We are getting laptops setup for us to work at home when needed. Techs are also on a rotation and is only new installs and no service service calls only. No upgrades or other BS service calls (customer wants a tech to go in to relocate where their router is etc etc). As far as I know some people are scare to come to work in case they get infected. I am not too scare even though I took the skytrain while other drive. Once I get to the office first thing i do is wash my hand and same when I get home. I also work the 7am shift so I get on the skytrain at aorund 5:50am and there are hardly anyone at the time anyways. I also have wet ones wipe to use when I can't wash my hands so I am good. Might start wearing mask to work when it gets worse.

[Harvey Specter]

My wife works at Vancity HQ, she was informed that she will have to work from home for 2 possibly 3 months.

[Hondaracer]

Italy’s population is also pretty old and (just looked it up 25% of the population is over 65)

My wife remarked when she was in Europe years ago a heatwave hung over Italy for a month and literally hundreds of elderly died during that time.

[Hehe]

Lie?

I'd second this. Don't trust China's number one bit. Or at the very least, the Chinese number is not an apple to apple comparison to the rest.



A friend of mine who's Chinese works IT for Pirelli in Italy. He basically got out before the pandemic blew up but he said Italy is a no go for anyone Asian for a long time. Even before the pandemic he would tell me how co-workers would say he was stealing info to make replica tires in China and in general would never be welcomed when he went out. He might not return to Italy or Europe and instead look for work locally.

You should blame the CCP for this.

Under CCP's regime, China cared nothing but economic growth, aka, money. Not moral value, discipline, etiquette, ethic... just money.

The act of corporate espionage and the stealing of IP is encouraged in China's corporate environment. Because it's not a society governed by law, where there's a boudary, or a rule of game, but about who has a better connection to the Chinese elite.

There is no cooperation with them. All they care about is their own financial success. When they are willing to "work" with you, it means that they are trying to benefit themselves. There's no such thing as a win-win situation. You either benefit them, or you don't. They don't care. It's a rat-race. I don't think every Chinese/Chinese company are like that, but I've seen way too many times in my work life to still have any faith or even the slightest courage to trust when working with Chinese/ChiCom.

So much so that I'd go out of my way, to tell my suppliers that if they are working with any ChiCom on my project, we can just call any potential deals off because it's a risk I'm no longer willing to bear. (I worked in the IT consulting business, and had way too many cases where Chinese competition or even clients themselves simply stole our idea from somewhere of our own company or our suppliers) Because they think if they can get away with this, they can make xx amount more on this project.

This is why Chinese or ChiCom get such a bad rep... even though many of them might very well actually be good people, the prejudice on Chinese (as in China) is just too big, when even their government endorse such an idea.

Edit: just to clarify, the "Chinese" here are actually Chinese from China, rather as the ethnicity. I don't hate Chinese, I married one and have many good friend from China. But I've had many bad exp. working with Chinese/ChiCom in my professional life that I simply gave up on them.

[welfare]

Yea no. This curve is just a little too flat .

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/dqRRXrrMDW-mibU3kRXO1uZ8Q-g=/0x0:3400x2400/1200x0/filters:focal(0x0:3400x2400):no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/19811499/total_cases_covid_19_who.png

[The_AK]

I can smell the bologna numbers from here. Im guessing its about a weeks time we see the US numbers spike dramatically. Not sure about Canada, I think its going to be much slower here in comparison to US especially when you see things like all of Florida go to the beach.

[hud 91gt]

The curve is definitely strangely flat. I don’t trust China at all, but they did take serious measures (did we forget the stories of welding doors shut already?).

If they were actually able to quarantine infected, and suspected individuals in a short period of time, that would effectively flatten the curve completely, no? The halfway approach everyone else is going, is going to have a dyno graph like a B16. China’s big block V8 looks quite appealing

[StylinRed]

Italy is going to surpass China in deaths by tomorrow, and what's more shocking is that Italy isn't counting deaths from nursing homes, because they won't even test them for corona, but reportedly there are many nursing home deaths due to a flu

Just reported on bbc

Ah an article

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-homes-insigh/uncounted-among-coronavirus-victims-deaths-sweep-through-italys-nursing-homes-idUSKBN2152V0

MILAN (Reuters) - As the official death toll from Italy’s coronavirus outbreak passes 2,500, a silent surge in fatalities in nursing homes, where dozens of patients a day are dying untested for the virus, suggests the real total may be higher.

[GS8]

I can smell the bologna numbers from here. Im guessing its about a weeks time we see the US numbers spike dramatically. Not sure about Canada, I think its going to be much slower here in comparison to US especially when you see things like all of Florida go to the beach.

Which is funny because right now, Florida is fifth highest for active cases at 320 (8 deaths so far). Considering how many old people live in Florida, I worry...

[SkinnyPupp]

Yea no. This curve is just a little too flat .

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/dqRRXrrMDW-mibU3kRXO1uZ8Q-g=/0x0:3400x2400/1200x0/filters:focal(0x0:3400x2400):no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/19811499/total_cases_covid_19_who.png
That peak in China happened when they changed the requirements for someone to be considered a COVID-19 patient. The day after they did that tally, they switched to another counting method :considered:

Anyway, whether it's BS or not (obviously it is and always was), as soon as they try to open up again and "live their lives" another breakout will occur in another city. It's practically guaranteed as long as there are patients in the country that haven't been found yet.

It IS technically possible for the curve to be that flat, but they'd have to be lying about the amount of deaths. There's a non 0% chance that they're just killing people and not calling it a coronavirus death.

"Saving Face" is literally the most important thing to the party these days, and they will do ANYTHING to do that.

[Amuse]

Of the 43 cases today, what is the breakdown of where the cases were found? Is there a website that tracks where the cases are from?

I also received a forwarded message today. I am wondering if anyone else received this?

BREAKING NEWS** March 18/2020: 15 cases of Coronavirus linked to Metrotown mall in Burnaby, B.C.
Everyone who visited the following stores within the last 3 days needs to go to hospital or self isolate at home as soon as possible because even if your not feeling symptoms you could still be carrying and unknowingly spreading the virus.

- Nike
- Footlocker
- Aldos
- BlueNotes
- Below the Belt
- Banana Republic
- Guess
- Gap
- Jack & Jones
- Le Chateau
- TOPMAN

Everyone please spread this message because things could get out of control and call the Coronavirus hotline 1-833-784-4397. BC Government.

[whitev70r]

Is it time to change title of thread to just Coronavirus?

[underscore]

China's approach: Lie and weld people in buildings
USA/Russia approach: Don't bother testing
NK approach: Just kill them

All are good for numbers, but bad for actually keeping people alive.

Canada isn't doing full testing either, the gov't will need to start locking things down hard because people still don't have a clue what is going on in the rest of the world. Today I've had to try to tell my parents to stop worrying about reno's (they've been running all over town, had the internet guy there yesterday, a plumber coming in for quotes tomorrow), had my neighbour say (from a distance) everything is a big surprise, saw friends posting about their vacations and that they aren't coming back yet, other friends saying how they're enjoying how less busy all the stores are and they're fine with it cause it's only gonna kill old people which frees up medical wait times and housing.

Meanwhile I'm trying not to panic too much about my older relatives or the ones with pre-existing conditions, or how badly it'll go if anything happens to my family that requires hospital care when things get beyond maxed out, or if I'll even be able to get the things my family needs if the supplies in warehouses start running out.

https://i.imgur.com/nerHLIm.gif

Sorry for the small rant but everyone being completely oblivious to how fast this can get bad is stressing me out. Granted I might've been too since most of the info I've gotten (especially earlier on) was thanks to this thread. Forums still trump everything else for sharing information.

[iwantaskyline]

The curve is definitely strangely flat. I don’t trust China at all, but they did take serious measures (did we forget the stories of welding doors shut already?).

If they were actually able to quarantine infected, and suspected individuals in a short period of time, that would effectively flatten the curve completely, no? The halfway approach everyone else is going, is going to have a dyno graph like a B16. China’s big block V8 looks quite appealing

There's literally a video of a government official in a hazmat suit forcing people into a metal cube/cage in the back of a truck because they're infected.

[Sentinel]

I also received a forwarded message today. I am wondering if anyone else received this?

Received from my friend, who received from another friend. I don't see anything on any news outlets at the moment.

[Nlkko]

Now that things are being reported to be returning to normal (ish) in China, what did they do that Italy hasn't?
What can we learn?
And I'm not talking about placing blame on reactions anywhere. What do we need to do tomorrow, what does the government need to do tomorrow?

We need to track trace and quarantine aggressively. Something that all Asian countries that has successfully flatten the curve have been doing. For example, in Vietnam, all inbound air traffic from Europe are quarantined for 14 days at an isolated military campus, regardless of nationalities. They test people multiple times and feed them proper meals daily for 14 days.
This is something that the Trudeau and Trump government have failed to do and are still failing to do. It comes at a high economic cost for the government, that is no doubt. But the cost of closed businesses and unemployment are even higher.

Our government are also not testing aggressively, as WHO recommended. There is no reason you can test at a drive-through in South Korea in 10 minutes like getting a McDick and it costed $1,100 USD + $3500 ER fees to test in the US (only recently made free). The most dangerous spreaders are the people who have no symptoms. They aren't self-quarantine. They are out and about spreading the plague. China have test kits. Re-engineer them, do whatever you must, but get those tests out there to us plebs, symptoms or not. Don't waste anymore time re-inventing the wheel. Time we don't have.

Disinfecting public places. People thought it's funny when Chinese have 4 trucks in parallel rolling down the street spraying disinfectant. It worked. A lot of other countries are disinfecting neighborhoods the same way.

Vaccine are at the minimum a year away. Can't wait for that.

Summary:
- Track, trace, quarantine
- Test, test, test
- Disinfecting
- Take it seriously. It's the "just the flu" people that got us into this mess.

You already have exhibit A of countries who have successfully flatten the curve. You literally don't have to re-invent the wheel. Do the same damn thing.

And you have exhibit B of countries who have failed to do so like Italy. Italy's medical system got completely overwhelmed. It's over for them when care-providers like doctors and nurses started fallen ill. Once they are fallen ill, they are out for 14 days. That's a long time for this plague. And we need time. Flattening the curve is basically buying time for the medical system to do its work and treat pneumonia. As a result, their curve is still growing exponentially.


---------------------------------------
Rant: Trudeau government have failed us. The same way Trump government have failed the American people. Closing border to essential services only and aggressive quarantine measure should have been done a long time ago, not last week. Everyone knew about the plague mid January. We are only doing something today. It's a joke.

[SkinnyPupp]

Of the 43 cases today, what is the breakdown of where the cases were found? Is there a website that tracks where the cases are from?

I also received a forwarded message today. I am wondering if anyone else received this?
Unless it came from a government agency, you can probably ignore it, like most text forwards

Good to check with others before reacting

[G]

Received from my friend, who received from another friend. I don't see anything on any news outlets at the moment.

There was also an image circulating of a memo from Vancouver Coastal Health about not taking Ibuprofen (Advil); I think it turns out this image was fake so that's pretty ballsy. I would really double check every forwarded message before you forward to more people.

[iwantaskyline]

Sen. John Cornyn Says China ‘Is to Blame’ for Coronavirus Because They ‘Eat Bats and Snakes and Dogs’

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/sen-john-cornyn-says-china-is-to-blame-for-coronavirus-because-they-eat-bats-and-snakes-and-dogs/

A friend of mine who's Chinese works IT for Pirelli in Italy. He basically got out before the pandemic blew up but he said Italy is a no go for anyone Asian for a long time. Even before the pandemic he would tell me how co-workers would say he was stealing info to make replica tires in China and in general would never be welcomed when he went out. He might not return to Italy or Europe and instead look for work locally.

His co-workers don't know the people cutting them their cheques are Chinese? lol. Majority owners of Pirelli is a Chinese company,

[nismodrifter]

There was also an image circulating of a memo from Vancouver Coastal Health about not taking Ibuprofen (Advil); I think it turns out this image was fake so that's pretty ballsy. I would really double check every forwarded message before you forward to more people.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/ibuprofen-covid-19-novel-coronavirus-1.5501496

[snowball]

Of the 43 cases today, what is the breakdown of where the cases were found? Is there a website that tracks where the cases are from?

I also received a forwarded message today. I am wondering if anyone else received this?

If this was true I would assume they would just shut metrotown down completely. However, no news yet. I did mention earlier in this thread I was at metrotown on Monday, it was pretty damn busy so I wouldn't be surprised.

[SkinnyPupp]

UK "caught off guard" like everyone else FailFish

They plan to shut down London (https://www.ft.com/content/4648d3d4-693c-11ea-a3c9-1fe6fedcca75)

Before I moved here, I didn't realize what a privilege it is for a country to be able to choose their own leader. I think nobody really realizes it, and that's why they keep electing clowns to run their countries FailFish

[SkinnyPupp]

https://twitter.com/AlecMacGillis/status/1240279081293352964

[welfare]

"It comes from (puckers lips) Chai-nah"

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E2CYqiJI2pE

[Jmac]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/ibuprofen-covid-19-novel-coronavirus-1.5501496
As mentioned in the article, there’s currently no evidence to support this, but some experts think it might not be a good combination based on theory.

Basically, keep using ibuprofen if you are already taking it to treat another condition (like arthritis). If not, avoid it until more evidence is collected.

[hal0g0dv2]

Got this from CATHAY just now

Due to the novel coronavirus (COVID-19) outbreak and subsequent changes to our network, your flight will be cancelled.

You are able to claim a refund for those parts of your journey that have not yet been taken. If you booked directly with us, you can request the refund through Manage Booking on cathaypacific.com. Otherwise, please contact your travel agent.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Just got this from a friend
BREAKING NEWS** March 18/2020: 15 cases of Coronavirus linked to Metrotown mall in Burnaby, B.C.
Everyone who visited the following stores within the last 3 days needs to go to hospital or self isolate at home as soon as possible because even if your not feeling symptoms you could still be carrying and unknowingly spreading the virus.

- Nike
- Footlocker
- Aldos
- BlueNotes
- Below the Belt
- Banana Republic
- Guess
- Gap
- Jack & Jones
- Le Chateau
- TOPMAN

Everyone please spread this message because things could get out of control and call the Coronavirus hotline 1-833-784-4397. BC Government.

Not sure if this is true but I can't find anything on metrotown website

[StylinRed]

ppl gotta stop paying attention to these group texts/FB msgs

[Expresso]

Stop being old aunties and post random crap without a credible source.

[1337]

Just got this from a friend
BREAKING NEWS** March 18/2020: 15 cases of Coronavirus linked to Metrotown mall in Burnaby, B.C.
Everyone who visited the following stores within the last 3 days needs to go to hospital or self isolate at home as soon as possible because even if your not feeling symptoms you could still be carrying and unknowingly spreading the virus.

- Nike
- Footlocker
- Aldos
- BlueNotes
- Below the Belt
- Banana Republic
- Guess
- Gap
- Jack & Jones
- Le Chateau
- TOPMAN

Everyone please spread this message because things could get out of control and call the Coronavirus hotline 1-833-784-4397. BC Government.

Not sure if this is true but I can't find anything on metrotown website

Not sure how accurate given the word your was used incorrectly. That and why are people still going to the mall anyways FailFish

[punkwax]

As mentioned in the article, there’s currently no evidence to support this, but some experts think it might not be a good combination based on theory.

Basically, keep using ibuprofen if you are already taking it to treat another condition (like arthritis). If not, avoid it until more evidence is collected.

Of course I can’t find it now (admittedly didn’t look very long) but it was either on healthlink.ca or the WHO website where I read not to take Advil or Tylenol while I was going through the whole 811 process for my son. It’s on a credible website anyway but I questioned it and my family doctor told me to ignore what I had read since the Advil was helping with his fever. I was literally reading it from the website when talking to our doctor.. if I find spare time I’ll look a little harder.

[J____]

as of today, official news here in china is masks are not needed when in public unless in very crowded places. Also 0 new cases today.

[unit]

so if china loosens it's restrictions, do they need to keep their borders closed until the whole world gets over the virus? if it started with one person can't it restart with one person? how does that work

[J____]

so if china loosens it's restrictions, do they need to keep their borders closed until the whole world gets over the virus? if it started with one person can't it restart with one person? how does that work

the borders aren't closed, even to high risk countries like Italy, but subject to a mandatory 14 day quarantine.

[GIZZ]

What's going on in Wuhan? They closed 16 temporary Hospitals and let everyone go healthy or not. There are so many identical posts over social media platforms that China is the safest place to be and for all Chinese to return, lots are going back. China is recording very low digit daily numbers for new cases and deaths, is that possible? It's like they are getting set up for a major problem.

It's like an old episode of Batman.

[ilovebacon]

Maybe they stop caring ? I hope not.

Have you guys seen the two videos of people collapsing in Vancouver and Richmond ? One video looks fucked. Guys In full suits carrying a person out from a home. There was a cop but he didn't have a mask on.

[Expresso]

I google'd the number and it's a scam lol.
https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/diseases/2019-novel-coronavirus-infection/fraudulent-phone-calls.html

Just got this from a friend
BREAKING NEWS** March 18/2020: 15 cases of Coronavirus linked to Metrotown mall in Burnaby, B.C.
Everyone who visited the following stores within the last 3 days needs to go to hospital or self isolate at home as soon as possible because even if your not feeling symptoms you could still be carrying and unknowingly spreading the virus.

- Nike
- Footlocker
- Aldos
- BlueNotes
- Below the Belt
- Banana Republic
- Guess
- Gap
- Jack & Jones
- Le Chateau
- TOPMAN

Everyone please spread this message because things could get out of control and call the Coronavirus hotline 1-833-784-4397. BC Government.

Not sure if this is true but I can't find anything on metrotown website

[BIC_BAWS]

Maybe they stop caring ? I hope not.

Have you guys seen the two videos of people collapsing in Vancouver and Richmond ? One video looks fucked. Guys In full suits carrying a person out from a home. There was a cop but he didn't have a mask on.Link

Sent from my ONEPLUS A5000 using Tapatalk

[Mikoyan]

I google'd the number and it's a scam lol.
https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/diseases/2019-novel-coronavirus-infection/fraudulent-phone-calls.html

You should read the link you sent. The number is legit for you to call. But calls FROM the number are scams.

[underscore]

What's going on in Wuhan? They closed 16 temporary Hospitals and let everyone go healthy or not. There are so many identical posts over social media platforms that China is the safest place to be and for all Chinese to return, lots are going back. China is recording very low digit daily numbers for new cases and deaths, is that possible? It's like they are getting set up for a major problem.

It's like an old episode of Batman.

If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is. If it sounds too good to be true, and it's coming from the Chinese government, it definitely is.

[ilovebacon]

Link

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From WhatsApp. Download and view from your fav media app. I used VLC.

I would upload it onto youtube but I didn't feel comfortable being exposed.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1qum1GfUYFJdsKdbZ2LgP676EQyadRir-

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1qvyBaAjE1UYF-zXyZwjwaNZ0O9NCZcH0

[Mr.HappySilp]

Currently at Oakridge center, over 80% store are closed. Wife is at the clinic there and my god everyone is wearing mask and the staff there don't allow anyone waiting in the clinic ……

I feel this is unnecessary at all……

[BIC_BAWS]

From WhatsApp. Download and view from your fav media app. I used VLC.

I would upload it onto youtube but I didn't feel comfortable being exposed.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1qum1GfUYFJdsKdbZ2LgP676EQyadRir-

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1qvyBaAjE1UYF-zXyZwjwaNZ0O9NCZcH0

Here you go:

Richmond - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXmuf2ynHQ4&feature=youtu.be

Edit: Richmond was a heart attack. Crappy CPR probably didn't help.

Vancouver - https://youtu.be/Q-GbBatRdnE

[yray]

if you're ever short of breath, sitting up right will help you breath better than lying down

[Simplex123]

Currently at Oakridge center, over 80% store are closed. Wife is at the clinic there and my god everyone is wearing mask and the staff there don't allow anyone waiting in the clinic ……

I feel this is unnecessary at all……

That's not a fair statement because 80% of Oakridge was already closed prior to all of this..

A lot of places have removed their chairs and tables to prevent loitering. And it really is the right thing to do because the touch points on those cannot be constantly cleaned and disinfected. I believe most people do not want to wait inside an enclosed clinic at this time anyways.

[Hondaracer]

So driving through Burnaby heights into east van many coffee shops and restaurants still open with patrons inside..

[Hondaracer]

Lol those two videos could literally be any ailment..

Paramedics are gearing up regardless of what they are called out for

[Bouncing Bettys]

Is the isolation really that bad? I work outside and I see a lot of people walking, jogging, riding bikes, and generally enjoying the weather. I've never had so many people compliment my work or say hello in passing.

It has me wondering how much more miserable people will feel once the weather turns Sunday.

[punkwax]

Both our vehicles have been sitting for 5 days now. Think I might go for a quick drive down to White Rock beach just to see how many people are out today..

[ilovebacon]

Both our vehicles have been sitting for 5 days now. Think I might go for a quick drive down to White Rock beach just to see how many people are out today..

I've been staying at home since Monday. I went out to grab some groceries yesterday. Maybe I should go out for a drive too...

[JSALES]

The streets are a little less traffic driving to work, my commute feels as if I were driving on the weekend.

[BIC_BAWS]

The streets are a little less traffic driving to work, my commute feels as if I were driving on the weekend.Commute around 5:50pm on 91E was weird yesterday, everyone was very aggressive.

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[The_AK]

Friend sent me this lol
https://www.reddit.com/r/vancouver/comments/flg7a3/price_gouging_business_selling_20_n95_masks_for/

[Manic!]

Friend sent me this lol
https://www.reddit.com/r/vancouver/comments/flg7a3/price_gouging_business_selling_20_n95_masks_for/

What was the regular price? Also, you also can't compare the price of a big box store than the a small store.

[underscore]

bUt It'S jUsT oLd PeOpLe

Behind a soft wall so I'll quote it here:


Younger Adults Make Up Big Portion of Coronavirus Hospitalizations in U.S.

New C.D.C. data shows that nearly 40 percent of patients sick enough to be hospitalized were age 20 to 54. But the risk of dying was significantly higher in older people.

American adults of all ages — not just those in their 70s, 80s and 90s — are being seriously sickened by the coronavirus, according to a report on nearly 2,500 of the first recorded cases in the United States.

The report, issued Wednesday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, found that — as in other countries — the oldest patients had the greatest likelihood of dying and of being hospitalized. But of the 508 patients known to have been hospitalized, 38 percent were notably younger — between 20 and 54. And nearly half of the 121 patients who were admitted to intensive care units were adults under 65, the C.D.C. reported.

“I think everyone should be paying attention to this,” said Stephen S. Morse, a professor of epidemiology at Columbia University’s Mailman School of Public Health. “It’s not just going to be the elderly. There will be people age 20 and up. They do have to be careful, even if they think that they’re young and healthy.”

The findings served to underscore an appeal issued Wednesday at a White House briefing by Dr. Deborah Birx, a physician and State Department official who is a leader of the administration’s coronavirus task force. Citing similar reports of young adults in Italy and in France being hospitalized and needing intensive care, Dr. Birx implored the millennial generation to stop socializing in groups and to take care to protect themselves and others.

“You have the potential then to spread it to someone who does have a condition that none of us knew about, and cause them to have a disastrous outcome,” Dr. Birx said, addressing young people.

In the C.D.C. report, 20 percent of the hospitalized patients and 12 percent of the intensive care patients were between the ages of 20 and 44, basically spanning the millennial generation.

“Younger people may feel more confident about their ability to withstand a virus like this,” said Dr. Christopher Carlsten, head of respiratory medicine at the University of British Columbia. But, he said, “if that many younger people are being hospitalized, that means that there are a lot of young people in the community that are walking around with the infection.”

The new data represents a preliminary look at the first significant wave of cases in the United States that does not include people who returned to the country from Wuhan, China, or from Japan, the authors reported. Between Feb. 12 and March 16, there were 4,226 such cases reported to the C.D.C., the study says.

The ages were reported for 2,449 of those patients, the C.D.C. said, and of those, 6 percent were 85 and older, and 25 percent were between 65 and 84. Twenty-nine percent were aged 20 to 44.

The age groups of 55 to 64 and 45 to 54 each included 18 percent of the total. Only 5 percent of cases were diagnosed in people 19 and younger.

The report included no information about whether patients of any age had underlying risk factors, such as a chronic illness or a compromised immune system. So, it is impossible to determine whether the younger patients who were hospitalized were more susceptible to serious infection than most others in their age group.

But experts said that even if younger people in the report were medical outliers, the fact that they were taking up hospital beds and space in intensive care units was significant.

And these more serious cases represent the leading edge of how the pandemic is rapidly unfolding in the United States, showing that adults of all ages are susceptible and should be concerned about protecting their own health, and not transmitting the virus to others.

The youngest age group, people 19 and under, accounted for less than 1 percent of the hospitalizations, and none of the I.C.U. admissions or deaths. This dovetails with data from other countries so far. This week, however, the largest study to date of pediatric cases in China found that a small segment of very young children may need hospitalization for very serious symptoms, and that one 14-year-old boy in China died from the virus.

Of the 44 people whose deaths were recorded in the report, 15 were age 85 or older and 20 were between the ages of 65 to 84. There were nine deaths among adults age 20 to 64, the report said.

Some of the patients in the study are still sick, the authors noted, so the results of their cases are unclear. Data was missing for a number of the cases, “which likely resulted in an underestimation of the outcomes,” the authors wrote. Because of the missing data, the authors presented percentages of hospitalizations, I.C.U. admissions and deaths as a range. The report also says that the limited testing available in the United States so far makes this report only an early snapshot of the crisis.

Still, the authors wrote, “these preliminary data also demonstrate that severe illness leading to hospitalization, including I.C.U. admission and death, can occur in adults of any age with Covid-19.”

The report had no info about underlying risk factors, but how many people under 40 even know if they definitely don't have any? And either way it's filling up hospitals so good luck if anyone needs to go to one for anything urgent.

[spoon.ek9]

This is a nice visual for why we ABSOLUTELY need to be taking these measures to stop the spread.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-coronavirus-cases-canada-world-map-explainer/

Dates include a start point of Jan 22 until today Mar 19. The exponential growth of this is exactly what we need to stop. Now is not the time to be thinking about your personal freedoms and rights. Everyone needs to be part of the solution right this minute.

[welfare]

Diabetes has been found to play a role in fatality rate. The CDC states that a typical virus carrier would have a .9% chance of fatality, while a diabetic jumps to 7%.
America has A LOT of diabetics. Asians as well are more prone to diabetes.

My wife is a type 1 diabetic. I made the call today that I won't be coming into work until this virus is sorted.
It's pretty new information coming out. We're learning more about this disease and its effects as the day's go by and the cases stack up.

[Hehe]

Now is not the time to be thinking about your personal freedoms and rights. Everyone needs to be part of the solution right this minute.

Some hippies can be so hard to convince. If everyone do their parts and stay at home, we can flatten the curve in 2wks time. No one is taking away their freedom... we are not passing laws that put our future right in risk, just ASKING for you to think about the community and collaborate with everyone to stop this pandemic.

By staying outside, one doesn't just put him/herself in danger, but all the people that will come in contact with. To be thinking that it's your "freedom" to roam free is VERY VERY selfish.

Sadly, I have a friend who's like this. And we argued about this the other day when I told him to stock up and stay at home for a few days. He then argued with me, the charter of rights give him the freedom... I was like :rukidding: ... is this really the time to discuss about this? You can roam all you want in a few weeks when these whole virus thing ease up and I could give a flying shit about it. But not now.

[bobbinka]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtN-goy9VOY

[jpark]

Some hippies can be so hard to convince. If everyone do their parts and stay at home, we can flatten the curve in 2wks time. No one is taking away their freedom... we are not passing laws that put our future right in risk, just ASKING for you to think about the community and collaborate with everyone to stop this pandemic.

By staying outside, one doesn't just put him/herself in danger, but all the people that will come in contact with. To be thinking that it's your "freedom" to roam free is VERY VERY selfish.

Sadly, I have a friend who's like this. And we argued about this the other day when I told him to stock up and stay at home for a few days. He then argued with me, the charter of rights give him the freedom... I was like :rukidding: ... is this really the time to discuss about this? You can roam all you want in a few weeks when these whole virus thing ease up and I could give a flying shit about it. But not now.

i can totally relate to this... have a close friend who's literally taking this so lightly it's driving me nuts. I tried to tell him many many times that its not just him.. its the surroundings. His entire work will have to close, people around him will get hit, his parents, his grandmother. Cant beat their stubbornness ughh

[inv4zn]

Buses are free starting tomorrow with rear door boarding - to encourage social distancing. Although i really don't understand how either of those accomplish those, but I guess it's a welcome help for low-income families who need to transit to work.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/translink-free-buses-1.5503764

Also the # of new cases in BC has dropped for 2nd consecutive day. I assume that they are testing more people than before, so this in itself is good news, although I really hope this doesn't make people complacent.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/coronavirus-update-bc-what-you-need-to-know-march-19-1.5502390

[Acura604]

this is how corona virus spread in Wuhan..

(not my video)

https://youtu.be/gO6lDCSQLvU

https://i.imgur.com/U6hPq7l.jpg

[SkinnyPupp]

Who else sweats a bit whenever they cough or have a tickle in their throat :badpokerface:

[unit]

the US had 4500 cases in the last day. previous to that they had 980, 1750, 2850.
for comparison, italy has 5300 new cases today, but italy first broke the 1000 cases per day barrier TWELVE days ago.
the US will likely surpass italy's rate tomorrow, meaning they did what italy did in 12 days in just 4.

[SkinnyPupp]

Prepare for the TCM propaganda storm once this is over

https://twitter.com/ChinaDaily/status/1240631624707878912

By the way, making claims like this is banned on twitter :considered:

Also remember this?

https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1217043229427761152

(screenshot in case they delete it (https://imgur.com/a/4cCF1AQ))

[SkinnyPupp]

this is how corona virus spread in Wuhan..

(not my video)

https://youtu.be/gO6lDCSQLvU
She didn't exactly put up the fight you'd usually see when someone gets caught like that. No yelling, she didn't even run away. She cleaned it up with almost no attempt to "save face"

I bet she had an emergency and had to either go behind a tree or shit her pants. Assuming that's the case, honestly that's pretty embarrassing.

[Badhobz]

FUCK traditional chinese medicine! that's the biggest crock of god damn shit ever. Chinese people DONT live longer than any other and they use the ever-living fuck out of these "naturopath" bullshit.

NOPE

fuck TCM and fuck the retards who promote it.

[SkinnyPupp]

FUCK traditional chinese medicine! that's the biggest crock of god damn shit ever. Chinese people DONT live longer than any other and they use the ever-living fuck out of these "naturopath" bullshit.

NOPE

fuck TCM and fuck the retards who promote it.
SOME things in TCM and Ayurveda (Indian version) have been studied and proven, and have led to real medicine. TCM has tortured bears using their bile salts to treat liver ailments for decades if not centuries. That led to the development of a synthesized version, UDCA which is an amazing drug. Saved my wife this year SeemsGood

So there's definitely some efficacy behind it. I just don't believe in the theories they use with all the "heat" and "meridian" shit. Test it outside China with double blind studies, and I'll believe the facts.

[punkwax]

the US had 4500 cases in the last day. previous to that they had 980, 1750, 2850.
for comparison, italy has 5300 new cases today, but italy first broke the 1000 cases per day barrier TWELVE days ago.
the US will likely surpass italy's rate tomorrow, meaning they did what italy did in 12 days in just 4.

60M people in Italy vs 330M in the states..

[ilovebacon]

She had to be Asian......

[bcedhk]

She didn't exactly put up the fight you'd usually see when someone gets caught like that. No yelling, she didn't even run away. She cleaned it up with almost no attempt to "save face"

I bet she had an emergency and had to either go behind a tree or shit her pants. Assuming that's the case, honestly that's pretty embarrassing.

She probably turned around the block and threw that bag at someone else's yard.

[AzNightmare]

this is how corona virus spread in Wuhan..

(not my video)

https://youtu.be/gO6lDCSQLvU

Wow, props on her for not going ape shit.
Even nice enough to give her a doggie bag. Could have been worse.

[320icar]

Prepare for the TCM propaganda storm once this is over

https://twitter.com/ChinaDaily/status/1240631624707878912

By the way, making claims like this is banned on twitter :considered:

Also remember this?

https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1217043229427761152

(screenshot in case they delete it (https://imgur.com/a/4cCF1AQ))

LOLOL traditional Chinese medicine. Can’t wait to eat my tiger penis or grizzly bear galblatter for immunity

[SkinnyPupp]

Another dog tested positive in Hong Kong (https://www.info.gov.hk/gia/general/202003/19/P2020031900606.htm). This time "repeatedly positive" rather than "weak positive" (that 17 year old pom died 3 days after it went back home BTW)

Interesting how other countries don't have enough tests for people, and in HK they're testing dogs :considered:

[underscore]

I assume that they are testing more people than before, so this in itself is good news, although I really hope this doesn't make people complacent.

I don't know what the actual testing rate is, but I have at least 3 friends (living in different cities) that have symptoms. All have called in and been told to just isolate themselves unless their symptoms get bad.

[i-vtecyo]

DW GUYS TOP DR IN BC SAID STILL LOW RISK.

"B.C.'s top doctor, Dr. Bonnie Henry, said the risk of contracting coronavirus in B.C. communities remains low."

I am starting to question her credentials... State of emergency in BC but still low risk.. I really wonder what does she think "our" best interest is..

[SkinnyPupp]

https://twitter.com/lhfang/status/1240716348939833344

Just be glad you live in Canada, as dumb as they seem at least they're not literally evil.

[whitev70r]

Would be helpful to some if credit card companies can waive interest fees for 1-3 months ... or maybe government can pass an edict regarding this in terms of economic provisions.

[Mr.HappySilp]

DW GUYS TOP DR IN BC SAID STILL LOW RISK.

"B.C.'s top doctor, Dr. Bonnie Henry, said the risk of contracting coronavirus in B.C. communities remains low."

I am starting to question her credentials... State of emergency in BC but still low risk.. I really wonder what does she think "our" best interest is..

What else is she suppose to say? People are already in fear and in semi panic mode (Hint looking at all the supplied that's currently out of stock in supermarket). If she adds in saying the risk is medium or anything other than low risk people are going to start rubbing stores, beating others up (possibly more racist behaviours towards the Asian community) than they already do. Literally there isn't a choice for her to say the truth.

[StylinRed]

Friend sent me this lol
https://www.reddit.com/r/vancouver/comments/flg7a3/price_gouging_business_selling_20_n95_masks_for/
I saw a box of 10 3M ones for $215 including shipping
Then I found boxes of 10 Moldex ones for $80

Both are price gouging, my relatives masks in their clinics are on low supply, and they're finding it difficult to source immediate resupply because of these pricks. Thankfully these medical/industrial supply companies have limited sales to existing corporate customers now

My cousin, who's a dentist, had to buy from price gouges on ebay, because he's staying open for emergency patients, but doesn't have any n95/99 maska
What was the regular price? Also, you also can't compare the price of a big box store than the a small store.

Typically $30ish depending on the style, could be much cheaper

[i-vtecyo]

What else is she suppose to say? People are already in fear and in semi panic mode (Hint looking at all the supplied that's currently out of stock in supermarket). If she adds in saying the risk is medium or anything other than low risk people are going to start rubbing stores, beating others up (possibly more racist behaviours towards the Asian community) than they already do. Literally there isn't a choice for her to say the truth.

Because reminding people that it is low risk is a great way to flatten the curve so that ppl wont take it seriously

[Mr.HappySilp]

https://youtu.be/1mfmdLQWURA

https://youtu.be/6Af6b_wyiwI

[westopher]

DW GUYS TOP DR IN BC SAID STILL LOW RISK.

"B.C.'s top doctor, Dr. Bonnie Henry, said the risk of contracting coronavirus in B.C. communities remains low."

I am starting to question her credentials... State of emergency in BC but still low risk.. I really wonder what does she think "our" best interest is..

Don't you think she PROBABLY has some information that you either don't have or don't understand? Like she didn't get that job by posting up on monster.ca and just get lucky.

[GS8]

https://twitter.com/lhfang/status/1240716348939833344

Just be glad you live in Canada, as dumb as they seem at least they're not literally evil.

Not a conspiracy type but I can't help but wonder if this whole virus was purposely released as a way to ruin and reset the global economies at the expense of the middle / working / lower classes. An 'Order 66' of sorts.

[underscore]

The rich already have control over everything, but most of them got that way by being greedy, soulless assholes anyways so...

[SkinnyPupp]

Not a conspiracy type but I can't help but wonder if this whole virus was purposely released as a way to ruin and reset the global economies at the expense of the middle / working / lower classes. An 'Order 66' of sorts.
IMO if anyone comes out of this better, it will be the poor people. Maybe America will open their eyes. Things were set up great for the billionaires, there was no need for them to reset.

[whitev70r]

That Bill Gates video ... wow, prophetic! He gave it in 2015 ... if we only listened! Really worth a view.

[Hondaracer]

Well, relative to the population of BC and even the lower mainland VS amount of infected, I’d say based on numbers alone, yes, the risk of infection is probably still quite low.

[eclipseman]

Some footage of what's happening in Italy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J60fQr0GWo

Another one from the same hospital:

https://vimeo.com/398334975

[DGN23]

Well, relative to the population of BC and even the lower mainland VS amount of infected, I’d say based on numbers alone, yes, the risk of infection is probably still quite low.

All the more reason to take the recommendations seriously now and isolate ourselves. The more people that isolate, the slower the spread, which will inevitably lead to zero new cases and a decline in active ones.

Its like we're all smokers, and we've all been told that if we stop smoking for two weeks, people will stop getting cancer, yet people are still smoking like cancer isn't real, or like it just won't happen to them.

[JD¹³]

https://twitter.com/lhfang/status/1240716348939833344

Just be glad you live in Canada, as dumb as they seem at least they're not literally evil.
The combination of the private health care system and total greed in the US has been a ticking time bomb for years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHEH3TnRmrQ

[nsmb]

Did anyone else follow the Wuhan projected numbers back in January?
I remember it was around 15k when they started fudging their numbers and then they would only increase them by around 3k every day.


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

USA COVID-19 projected / actual

March 5: 201 / 221
March 6: 271 / 319
March 7: 366 / 435
March 8: 494 / 541
March 9: 667 / 704
March 10: 900 / 994
March 11: 1,215 / 1,301
March 12: 1,640 / 1,697
March 13: 2,214 / 2,247
March 14: 2,989 / 2,943
March 15: 4,035 / 3,680
March 16: 5,447 / 4,663
March 17: 7,353 / 6,411
March 18: 9,926 / 9,259
March 19: 13,400 / 13,789
March 20: 18,090
March 21: 24,421
March 22: 32,968
March 23: 44,496
March 24: 60,070
March 25: 81,094
March 26: 109,477
March 27: 147,794
March 28: 199,522
March 29: 269,355
March 30: 363,629
March 31: 490,899
April 1: 662,714

[StylinRed]

The California gov projects half the state to get it in the next two months

[whitev70r]

^ Some of us probably have it already ... and we don't know. Be insightful to hear from someone who tested +'ve and is willing to share their story. I realize everyone's experience of having it will be different but still ... someone on RS must have it by now.

[danned]

https://i.redd.it/l67ldgy09mn41.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/lNs7hAH.gifv

[welfare]

Not a conspiracy type but I can't help but wonder if this whole virus was purposely released as a way to ruin and reset the global economies at the expense of the middle / working / lower classes. An 'Order 66' of sorts.

This is a "lake" in Mongolia about 6 miles in diameter. It's been produced entirely of the toxic sludge created by rare earth mining to produce our cell phones, tv's and computers.

https://i.insider.com/555259a06bb3f7cf1fbaac28?width=750&format=jpeg&auto=webp

https://www.mining.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/batou-rare-earth.jpg

This is just one example, of course.
given our population growth and rapid industrial progress, a naturally occurring pandemic is a far more plausible explanation.

[welfare]

Italy has surpassed China in deaths by coronavirus.

Military trucks loaded with coffins today

https://nationalpostcom.files.wordpress.com/2020/03/etdybzhwkaedg0o.jpg?quality=100&strip=all&w=642