[inv4zn]

There was a thread on r/vancouver about the recent protests, and someone (claiming to be an Afghan refugee) said something on the lines of "fuck some of y'all are so entitled and have zero sense of what's going on outside your bubble".

...and then some whackjobs held a vigil for the coyotes that were killed in stanley park...like seriously.

[donk.]

Life sure is hard here in canada

[Manic!]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/alberta-asks-ottawa-for-covid-19-help-1.6184484

Alberta's UCP government is asking Ottawa for immediate help to lessen pressure on the province's health-care system, which is overburdened with COVID-19 patients.

Municipal Affairs Minister Ric McIver formally requested aid and an immediate meeting with federal Public Safety Minister Bill Blair in a Tuesday letter.

He asked for the federal government to provide aero-medical evacuation capability to relocate patients out of Alberta, and intensive care unit (ICU) registered nurses and respiratory therapists to assist in Alberta's critical care response.

[SkinnyPupp]

To the people who were thinking of maybe giving the Conservatives a chance at doing a better job with covid (despite not even knowing what they'd do other than it would possibly be something different): Look at Alberta. That would be the entire country.

(and yes I know, provincial parties aren't the same as federal parties)

[JDMDreams]

Nah I think we should let them have the best winter ever! Make Alberta great again!

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/alberta-asks-ottawa-for-covid-19-help-1.6184484

[twitchyzero]

There was a thread on r/vancouver about the recent protests, and someone (claiming to be an Afghan refugee) said something on the lines of "fuck some of y'all are so entitled and have zero sense of what's going on outside your bubble".



to be fair we were told stay tf home, build blanket forts then not to venture past metrotown or the bridges, hard not to get stuck in a bubble mentality :badpokerface:

[westopher]

I mean, that was a pretty small portion of this pandemic, and any perspective at all would make being bombed seem a bit worse than having to get your cactus club door dashed.
You’re probably being sarcastic and I didn’t get it though.

[twitchyzero]

seeing people cling onto their life off a military plane as it takes off = fuck i can't even comprehend how lucky i have it

changing subject: does anyone know if sinovac is eligible for bc vaccine card? i'm hearing it is but can't find it online

[68style]

seeing people cling onto their life off a military plane as it takes off = fuck i can't even comprehend how lucky i have it

changing subject: does anyone know if sinovac is eligible for bc vaccine card? i'm hearing it is but can't find it online

Looks like on this PDF it's okay to get Sinovac for your first dose if you follow it up with a Pfizer or Moderna:

http://www.bccdc.ca/Health-Info-Site/Documents/COVID-19_vaccine/WHO-EUA-qualified-covid-vaccines.pdf

[Mikoyan]

https://edmonton.citynews.ca/video/2021/09/22/covid-party-send-edson-residents-to-edmonton-icu/

A number of Edson residents are in Edmonton ICUs following a gathering to try and get COVID-19– as a way to achieve natural immunity.

:fulloffuck:

[twitchyzero]

guess i'll wait until well after oct 24 to remove mask while working out at gym then

[Manic!]

https://twitter.com/MrRaceBannon/status/1440644846801199107?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1440656540826963993%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es3_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.blogto.com%2Fcity%2F2021 %2F09%2Fdoug-ford-daughter-anti-vax-rant-social-media%2F

[CRS]

We've already established the Doug Ford's daughter is an entitled narcissist with no understanding of what she's talking about.

We don't need to beat this dead horse.

[StylinRed]

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/09/22/1039907024/florida-quarantine-optional-for-students-exposed-covid


Florida says students no longer have to quarantine if they've been exposed to someone with covid

[SkinnyPupp]

Covid is worse in the winter (https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciab817/6372264?searchresult=1), so if you know any "wait and see" people, see if they'll get vaccinated soon

[SkinnyPupp]

Singapore on lockdown again, max gatherings of 2 people, schools closed, etc. For 2 weeks

56 people died in the last 2 weeks, 13 were fully vaccinated (all over 60)

https://i.imgur.com/8zYOsA6.png

[TypeRNammer]

https://youtu.be/zDQuwkJIBaY

Public service announcement regarding covid from family guy :lawl:

[68style]

^Well......... if that's what it takes? hahaha

[JDMDreams]

:ahwow:832 cases on Thursday :okay: there's sure a lot of unvaccinated left, Coronas gotta catch dem all:troll:

[donk.]

Corona caught the second one of our anti vaxxers at work a few days ago
Vaxxed record still clean

[mikemhg]

I've been wrecking my brain trying to find a good analogy to some of these anti-vaxers, specifically to this common misconception they continue to parrot:

"People vaccinated can still get COVID! And they can still pass it! No point in getting vaxxed then!"

My argument is always explained as follows:

"Virus transmission is very simple, the more the virus has a chance to multiply within your body, the more transmittable you are as a carrier. When vaccinated, your body has the necessary immune response to effectively slow and minimize the ability for the virus to spread and multiply within your body, effectively allowing your immune system to destroy the virus in a quick manner. This results in the inability for the virus to spread to another person as easily, as it simply cannot multiply, and your body defeats it sooner. It’s very simple science, none of this is complicated.

Think of it the same way as having an infection, what happens when you take antibiotics versus if you don’t? The infection can multiply and effectively become more transmittable from person to person. When taking the antibiotics, while you can still pass said infection, but it is mitigated and ultimately destroyed within days of taking the dosage."

The above seems to quell some of their argument, but I'm trying to break it down to an even dumber way of explaining it, a simple, idiot-free analogy. Something along the lines of thinking vaccines are like say, sun screen. You don't put any on, your skin is more exposed to UV damage, you put some on, while you can still get burned, you're less susceptible. Seems simple enough, but I need an analogy to the whole transmission narrative.

I honestly think I spend way too much time thinking about this shit, too many idiot friends that are against getting vaccinated, and I'm tired of arguing with them :lol

[mikemhg]

The Atlantic had a good piece that offered these simple analogies, actually:

Casting the spread of infection as fire, and humans as the kindling that the flames need to persist. They’re sprays of flame retardant that can waylay fire on the move, while also shielding vegetation from the worst of the burn. The more trees are protected, the sooner the fire has nowhere left to go.

Another option: thwarting bugs with insecticides, given that curbing an infestation in one apartment slashes the chances that it will move next door.

[Obsideon]

I've been wrecking my brain trying to find a good analogy to some of these anti-vaxers, specifically to this common misconception they continue to parrot:

"People vaccinated can still get COVID! And they can still pass it! No point in getting vaxxed then!"

My argument is always explained as follows:

"Virus transmission is very simple, the more the virus has a chance to multiply within your body, the more transmittable you are as a carrier. When vaccinated, your body has the necessary immune response to effectively slow and minimize the ability for the virus to spread and multiply within your body, effectively allowing your immune system to destroy the virus in a quick manner. This results in the inability for the virus to spread to another person as easily, as it simply cannot multiply, and your body defeats it sooner. It’s very simple science, none of this is complicated.

Think of it the same way as having an infection, what happens when you take antibiotics versus if you don’t? The infection can multiply and effectively become more transmittable from person to person. When taking the antibiotics, while you can still pass said infection, but it is mitigated and ultimately destroyed within days of taking the dosage."

The above seems to quell some of their argument, but I'm trying to break it down to an even dumber way of explaining it, a simple, idiot-free analogy. Something along the lines of thinking vaccines are like say, sun screen. You don't put any on, your skin is more exposed to UV damage, you put some on, while you can still get burned, you're less susceptible. Seems simple enough, but I need an analogy to the whole transmission narrative.

I honestly think I spend way too much time thinking about this shit, too many idiot friends that are against getting vaccinated, and I'm tired of arguing with them :lol

I'd argue that it's easier to just get new friends :troll:

[Manic!]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Nj8-Q84rLU

[ImportPsycho]

Been to couple of dine in restaurants scanning vaccine passport before entering. So far, none asked for ID to cross check with name on the qr code.

[spoon.ek9]

I went to the movies recently. They checked my name on the passport against my ID but didn't scan anything. I guess it's kind of a crapshoot as to how they "enforce" this.

[AzNightmare]

My friend said a restaurant checked his QR code and ID, but didn't bother telling him to remove his mask to compare the ID with his face. lol.

[westopher]

What are the odds that someone stole an ID and managed to download the matching vaccine passport? Does your friend really think it needs to go that far? People are going into a restaurant not skipping the country while a warrant is out for their arrest.

[lilaznviper]

a couple of restaurants i went to, scanned the QR code and looked at the ID, some didn't even check QR code/ID

[SkinnyPupp]

What are the odds that someone stole an ID and managed to download the matching vaccine passport? Does your friend really think it needs to go that far? People are going into a restaurant not skipping the country while a warrant is out for their arrest.
Sure but if you don't have at least a reasonably high level of compliance, it will fall apart very quickly and it will have ended up being a total waste of time.

[twitchyzero]

they still have options like corduroy

CoV never pulled their license eh

[AzNightmare]

What are the odds that someone stole an ID and managed to download the matching vaccine passport? Does your friend really think it needs to go that far? People are going into a restaurant not skipping the country while a warrant is out for their arrest.

I don't think my friend really cares.
It's just that if it sounds like such a big deal, he didn't expect it to be half assed when it came to checking.

I mean, the chances someone even stole a QR code is already pretty unlikely.

[StylinRed]

They don't need to steal ID for a QR code, they could just have a friend/relative/etc send em their screenshot, and then the anti vax collective would just share it in their group chats

Edit: Ohhhh I see the rest of the convo :lol nevermind

[Gumby]

They don't need to steal ID for a QR code, they could just have a friend/relative/etc send em their screenshot, and then the anti vax collective would just share it in their group chats

Edit: Ohhhh I see the rest of the convo :lol nevermind

Wait, if someone was anti-vax, why would they pretend that they got the vaccine and have their rights oppressed? :lol

[westopher]

Sure but if you don't have at least a reasonably high level of compliance, it will fall apart very quickly and it will have ended up being a total waste of time.
It's just like people underage drinking. It still happens, and people still get their hands on booze if they are under 19. I sure know I did, but that said, it was certainly not as easy as just walking in and buying it somewhere most of the time. It was still a deterrent.
The way the government has rolled it out has been a waste more than it needs to be though. It should be easy for it to be in the password protected BC care card app that clearly has our name, DOB and should have our face as well, but instead they made this half assed screen shot in your photos the way to do it. If they were going to roll it out it should have been developed, or they should have used the time since to develop it further.
That said, we have asked maybe 6-10 people to leave since it started, the rest of people have walked in with an id and passport ready to go with no issues for the most part.

[SkinnyPupp]

It's just like people underage drinking. It still happens, and people still get their hands on booze if they are under 19. I sure know I did, but that said, it was certainly not as easy as just walking in and buying it somewhere most of the time. It was still a deterrent.
The way the government has rolled it out has been a waste more than it needs to be though. It should be easy for it to be in the password protected BC care card app that clearly has our name, DOB and should have our face as well, but instead they made this half assed screen shot in your photos the way to do it. If they were going to roll it out it should have been developed, or they should have used the time since to develop it further.
That said, we have asked maybe 6-10 people to leave since it started, the rest of people have walked in with an id and passport ready to go with no issues for the most part.
I just think with all the stories people are posting here, it won't be long before it's not effect as a deterrent whatsoever... I guess it depends on how many people really are using random screenshots and whatnot.. If it's just a few antivax weirdos it doesn't matter... What percentage is even antivax in BC?

[westopher]

1/10 people(ish) aren't vaccinated. Those odds mean that 1/10 restaurant owners/managers/those in charge of checking aren't vaccinated, so word of that will travel pretty fast if people aren't being checked because those that don't think they are doing enough will tell everyone, and those that want to give their antivax business to the "vaccine nazis" will also tell everyone.
Like I said, we've only had a few people in the last few weeks not clearly ready to show proof. At 300-400 people a day those odds seem pretty good. They need to use the right avenue to police it, and just like they do with underage drinkers, they should send people in with the expectation that they show proof of vaccination, and if they aren't asked, establishments should be fined. If that had been happening I'm sure I'd have heard about it by now with the amount of people I (and people I work/have worked with) know in the industry. Word travels fast.

[Mikoyan]

they still have options like corduroy

CoV never pulled their license eh

They apparently went to counter service, like fast food so they now fall under the exempt category.

[RiceIntegraRS]

Been to a few restuarants and half scanned the QR code and checked for matching ID and some just looked at the QR code and ID.... None asked us to remove our masks. Theres obviously soo many ways to get into restuarants without being vaccinated.

i think i knew about 15 people who were not vaccinated but after the QR code thing, its gone down to 2 people.

[Liquid_o2]

I've been to restaurants 3 times, and they have properly scanned mine and my friends QR codes every time. I don't think I really want to go back to a place that doesn't put in the effort to do it properly.

[unit]

i went to two restaurants this weekend, both of them asked for my ID to go along with my QR code.

[Great68]

I've been out to eat twice now that this thing has been implemented:

Restaurant #1: Scanned everyone's QR code first, then looked at everyone's ID afterwards, so they weren't really checking names to make sure the names matched up or anything.

Restaurant #2: Just checked that we had the QR code, did not scan and did not check ID.

What I found really odd was that I was at Western Speedway this weekend, sold out crowd (3000 people) jammed up like sardines in the bleachers but no Vaccine Card requirement. I get that it's outside, but people are literally hovering overtop of others, and if anything the hillbillies of langford are probably the least likely in Victoria to be vaccinated. I was scratching my head over that one a bit.

[Great68]

I just think with all the stories people are posting here, it won't be long before it's not effect as a deterrent whatsoever... I guess it depends on how many people really are using random screenshots and whatnot.. If it's just a few antivax weirdos it doesn't matter... What percentage is even antivax in BC?

I think the BC Government knew this program wouldn't have the sharpest teeth
The only real way to enforce this is by either:
A) A restaurant being reported for non-compliance
or
B) Random checks by officials, same way they do liquor license checks

I doubt they increased budgets for inspectors to do those checks. And with the government basically leaving restaurants to fend for themselves in dealing with the antivax crazies, many restaurants probably don't want to deal with the hassle so just put up a weak façade to look like they're following it.

[TOS'd]

Been to a few places here in ON that are checking our PDF/hardcopy receipt of a 2nd dose along with government issued ID to accompany it now that our Vaccine Certificate program is in effect. Next month they are suppose to release the app that will have a QR code.

[CivicBlues]

Been to probably a dozen places now and I've been to a total of ONE restaurant that has done the correct procedure checking. Some places only check QR codes. Some scan, some don't. Some check ID, some don't. Some even did it half-assed and correctly checked for some of us but not others in the same party!

I think the trick is to show a QR code without your name on it. If they don't scan it or check your ID, kindly remind them you just showed them a random QR code and anyone could have faked it to get in.

[CivicBlues]

Been to a few places here in ON that are checking our PDF/hardcopy receipt of a 2nd dose along with government issued ID to accompany it now that our Vaccine Certificate program is in effect. Next month they are suppose to release the app that will have a QR code.

Are you a tourist or resident of ON? What's your experience with out of province IDs?

[Hondaracer]

Are you a tourist or resident of ON? What's your experience with out of province IDs?

I’ve been in Toronto for 5 days so far, every single place that asked for it accepted a photo of my physical card as proof. Many places didn’t check at all

[whitev70r]

Even if it doesn't have a lot of teeth, it is reassuring that say 85-90% of those in the same restaurant are double vaccinated. Assuming 15% fraud ... if that.

[TOS'd]

Are you a tourist or resident of ON? What's your experience with out of province IDs?

ON ID so can't comment.

Every restaurant and recreational facility I've been to has asked to check. They aren't checking certain places deemed essential such as grocery stores, possibly when entering a mall as well. But I believe the actual stores in the mall probably (rather, should) be checking.

[G]

I think the BC Government knew this program wouldn't have the sharpest teeth
The only real way to enforce this is by either:
A) A restaurant being reported for non-compliance
or
B) Random checks by officials, same way they do liquor license checks

I doubt they increased budgets for inspectors to do those checks. And with the government basically leaving restaurants to fend for themselves in dealing with the antivax crazies, many restaurants probably don't want to deal with the hassle so just put up a weak façade to look like they're following it.

Another dumb feature - If your name has three words, which a majority of asian ethnicities do, it only shows the first two words.

So for example, if you have someone with the name Chan Wong Lee (for example sake), it will only show Chan Wong on the QR Code. That means, anyone with the name Chan Wong ___ can use it and theres no way to actually know even if you check both the ID and QR Code.

[inv4zn]

Everyone here is arguing over something trivial. The system wasn't designed to be 100% fool proof, it was designed to discourage the morons from mingling with the rest of the population.

Even if hurr durr Chan Wong wants to 'borrow' his cousin's best friend's wife's nephew's card just so he can eat at Red Robins, the number of such people getting into establishments is going to be greatly shadowed by 1) the unvaccinated who won't even try, and 2) the people weeded out at the door.

Everyone on here complaining about how shitty the system is, when in fact, not a single person here has complained about how the vaccine passport added 10 minutes to them being seated or front of house staff getting berated.

If they made it a full system where everyone QR code has to be scanned, everyone pulls off their mask, etc etc., you'd have a huge crowd at entrances, and it would be a clusterfuck.

The government came up with a best case scenario, and working off of statistics and probabilities that this method keeps everyone as safe as possible without fucking up restaurant lobbies.

[pastarocket]

VANCOUVER (NEWS 1130) – Eighteen people have died from COVID-19 over the last three days, as the province recorded 2,239 new cases of COVID-19 over the last 72 hours.

Over the three day reporting period, B.C. saw 876 new cases on Saturday, 657 new cases on Sunday, and 706 new cases on Monday.

The recorded cases on Saturday are the highest one day total in six months.

[westopher]

Been to 3 restaurants today. Scanned phone, checked ID at each. Still haven’t come across anywhere that hasn’t asked me for both except the place I go once a week. They still asked my for both the first day it was enforced though.

[acrophobia]

Going to a hockey game on the weekend and I have to admit that I’m excited to be at a larger gathering where all 2500 people have the common sense to be double vaxxed :D

[68style]

Wow socialite, 3 restaurants by 4:30pm on a Monday

[StylinRed]

Oooo busy weekend, yikes

[westopher]

Lol we’re doing a night in Whistler.
Fergies in Squamish for brunch, fairmont hotel bar for a beer on arrival, basalt for an afternoon charcuterie board. On number 4 now at raven room. Same deal.
Restaurants are crazy understaffed up here too. Running limited menus and tons of extra hours closed.

[6793026]

^ as you go further north, less and less people to man the restaurants. I feel for them.
i can't wait to see how this ski season will turn out. HOly F... where are all the foreign workers eg// aussies / kiwis

[Obsideon]

I have a friend of a friend who was proudly showing off his fake QR code, and it actually works. It shows his name on the scanner as fully vaccinated. It worries me that it was so easy to create. I don't think he's particularly tech savvy or smart either.

Yup seriously understaffed. I frequently post on the Japanese and Korean versions of craigslist for foreign workers, literally zero applicants.
We have had to cut our hours too cuz our chefs are getting burnt out.

[T4RAWR]

I have a friend of a friend who was proudly showing off his fake QR code, and it actually works. It shows his name on the scanner as fully vaccinated. It worries me that it was so easy to create. I don't think he's particularly tech savvy or smart either.

Yup seriously understaffed. I frequently post on the Japanese and Korean versions of craigslist for foreign workers, literally zero applicants.
We have had to cut our hours too cuz our chefs are getting burnt out.

Do some people reply saying that they'll work for cash? Heard this was a phenomenon; people working for cash so they could collect cerb.

[Mr.Money]

Do some people reply saying that they'll work for cash? Heard this was a phenomenon; people working for cash so they could collect cerb.

yup...also people on disability doing cash only deals under the table, Money in a huge ruler on what people are doing.

[Manic!]

Yup seriously understaffed. I frequently post on the Japanese and Korean versions of craigslist for foreign workers, literally zero applicants.
We have had to cut our hours too cuz our chefs are getting burnt out.

Maybe it's time to start importing workers.

[320icar]

Lol we’re doing a night in Whistler.
Fergies in Squamish for brunch, fairmont hotel bar for a beer on arrival, basalt for an afternoon charcuterie board. On number 4 now at raven room. Same deal.
Restaurants are crazy understaffed up here too. Running limited menus and tons of extra hours closed.

https://i.chzbgr.com/full/9637681152/h3769DAC6

[Mr.Money]

lot of old people in their 60's not accepting the vaccine because they heard it was a "rushed test vaccine". .. RIP... this forth wave has taken alot of them
https://i.imgur.com/GZyFVFS.jpeg

[whitev70r]

3rd dose recommended ... Not a surprise.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/naci-recommendation-covid-vaccine-third-dose-sept-28-1.6192455

[inv4zn]

3rd dose recommended ... Not a surprise.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/naci-recommendation-covid-vaccine-third-dose-sept-28-1.6192455

Comment from the article:
Fill 'em up with as many shots as they can take. What is the worst that can happen to you when you are 95 years old?

Sorry, i lol'd.

[JDMDreams]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/unvaccinated-sask-covid-deaths-1.6191446

'I'm going to die, aren't I?': Sask.'s unvaccinated express regret about not getting COVID-19 jab"

Man not sure what else besides death can convince these people:ohgodwhy::facepalm:

[StylinRed]

East Fraser Valley back to stricter restrictions

[twitchyzero]

how many times have they told us to be patient :facepalm:

Can & US can't even get border dates lined up but Bonnie actually believes external health agencies will standardize across the board? LOL


British Columbia won’t be offering third doses of COVID-19 vaccine to those with mixed immunizations

...

She asked the public to be patient as the province undertakes the work of ensuring those with “mixed vaccine schedules” are considered fully-immunized across the globe

https://globalnews.ca/news/8228148/no-third-covid-19-shot-bc-residents-mixed-doses-top-doctor/

[Teriyaki]

Not offering a booster or 3rd mRNA shot for those that stepped up to take the AZ is a pretty unfortunate decision I feel. I'm sure there are reasons, but it sets a pretty bad precedent for the future. It just makes it so much harder for leaders to ask people to again "take whatever is available first"

[blkgsr]

if this mix thing ends up fucking me down the road i'm gonna be pissed.....i see someone (and me joining) starting a lawsuit against the bc and federal government

[westopher]

I wonder how that could play out. It’s definitely their fault but I could see it ending up that there’s no recourse as it’s other countries/jurisdictions that are making the rules that affect you.
Either way they have vaccines now so I don’t understand why they aren’t rectifying the situation. It’s a big fuck up.

[Hondaracer]

They recommended you get a vaccine that wasn’t approved for use in other countries now they “wait and see” what countries that haven’t been using that vaccine will do? Lol

I already know two people who had to cancel trips because of this and my dad is choked because he got AZ and Pfizer and now he’s having trouble planning future travel.

Bonnie knows best!

Anyone questioning the mixing had people jumping down their throats and it played out basically exactly how those people thought it would.

[westopher]

The goal of the vaccine was still first and foremost preventing people from getting sick though, not travelling. No one questioning the vaccine was like “what about my travel plans?” They we’re mostly about how they’d die from the vaccine and the “flu” couldn’t hurt them.
On a different note but one that could be related in regards to countries we could travel to, Denmark, Singapore and Ireland are lifting all restrictions, with the premise that we aren’t getting rid of the virus, so just deal with it. Wonder how far away it is for us?
No vaccine mandates. You want to die, go ahead.
The only concern I have with that is that people who can’t be vaccinated(very few) and people waiting for elective surgeries will suffer, but they are also telling you not to go to the hospital for covid if you aren’t about to die from it.

[SumAznGuy]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/unvaccinated-sask-covid-deaths-1.6191446

'I'm going to die, aren't I?': Sask.'s unvaccinated express regret about not getting COVID-19 jab"

Man not sure what else besides death can convince these people:ohgodwhy::facepalm:

What's worse is there are stories of Murican's who do not regret their non-vaxxed stance on their death beds.

They claim it is their choice, right or wrong, their choice to make.

:facepalm:

[inv4zn]

I can certainly see this being frustrating to those affected, but c'mon. It'll get fixed at some point one way or another, but there's no need to pull out the pitchforks immediately, no?

People that got sputnik and sinovac can't come into Canada without quarantine, are they suing their governments because rules Canada made regarding Canada?

Also, how in the fuck is this Bonnie Henry's fault. Her (and the government by relation)'s job was to get vaccines into as many people as quickly, which is what they did. I'm fairly certain their priorities were to make sure you are safe, not that your future travel plans aren't affected by logistics.

This is some serious first world problems, I cAnT gO tO mExIcO dUrInG a PaNdEmIc, FuCk BoNnIe HeNrY!!!

[hud 91gt]

I would say the ones that rushed to get the “questionable” vaccines were likely doing it out of fear for themselves rather then “for the good of the world.” They got 2 extra weeks of sanity in return. This obviously doesn’t apply to those in the older age bracket that didn’t have a choice.

This is such an unknown situation, blaming anyone is so crazy. Every industry has its professionals, but even the professionals have to deal and cope with new situations which don’t have a known proper answer. They may not do it perfectly but probably used their knowledge and experience to make the most appropriate decision with the information at hand.

Medical professionals deal with this day in and out. But they have insurance. Haha

[whitev70r]

What's worse is there are stories of Murican's who do not regret their non-vaxxed stance on their death beds.

They claim it is their choice, right or wrong, their choice to make.

:facepalm:

No facepalm, I'm happy for them ... go ahead then, die knowing that your choices led you to this point.

For those deniers and anti-vaxxers who are in Canada, do the honourable thing and forego ICU, don't spend hundreds of thousands of dollars of our healthcare budget to put you up in our ICU's, tie up our good Dr's and nurses, take up a bed that others really need, or cause the postponing of surgeries. I know they label the postponement of surgeries as those that are 'non-essential' but talk to anyone who is waiting for a surgery that may be labelled 'non-essential' (hip, knee, hernia, etc.) .. it is pretty important to them to have it done and move along in their healing or recovery.

[Hondaracer]

My main problem with the mixing was the FDA and even WHO was recommending against it at the time. The FDA, as I posted in the past said it would have to be “extraordinary circumstances” to mix vaccines.

And counter to the point above, everyone I know who mixed or got the Indian AZ did it as part of a “greater good” attempt in industries that had large outbreaks (factory, ship yard settings, etc.)

Regardless of who’s fault it was it turned into a major fuck up that other countries avoided. I don’t envy those people

[quasi]

My main problem with the mixing was the FDA and even WHO was recommending against it at the time. The FDA, as I posted in the past said it would have to be “extraordinary circumstances” to mix vaccines.

And counter to the point above, everyone I know who mixed or got the Indian AZ did it as part of a “greater good” attempt in industries that had large outbreaks (factory, ship yard settings, etc.)

Regardless of who’s fault it was it turned into a major fuck up that other countries avoided. I don’t envy those people

Realistically though the other countries were able to secure the other vaccines because they either manufactured them or paid up, the blame for lack of the other two vaccines at the time falls on the Federal Govt. not the Provincial Govt, they were playing the hand they were dealt.

What were they going to do, throw a million doses or whatever it was in the garbage well people are asking when are we going to get our vaccine, the rest of the world was already well on it's way to get vaccinated before we even started distributing here.

I have the mixed vaccines, my wife and son don't. If it screws up a future vacation it's annoying but I'll deal with it these are generally annoying times.

[68style]

I need that to be my sign if I ever go to a protest “These are generally annoying times”

[spoon.ek9]

I need that to be my sign if I ever go to a protest “These are generally annoying times”

I want mine to say "Chicken Fingies"

[68style]

Westopher has that sign already sorry !

[westopher]

MA RITE 2 FINGIE
MY BODY MY CHIKEN FINGIE
HITLER TOOK THE FINGIES FIRST
There’s enough options for all of us.

[Coren]

https://twitter.com/adriandix/status/1443363740393480193

[twitchyzero]

Also, how in the fuck is this Bonnie Henry's fault. Her (and the government by relation)'s job was to get vaccines into as many people as quickly, which is what they did. I'm fairly certain their priorities were to make sure you are safe, not that your future travel plans aren't affected by logistics.

This is some serious first world problems, I cAnT gO tO mExIcO dUrInG a PaNdEmIc, FuCk BoNnIe HeNrY!!!

they were going against manufacturer & FDA recommendations multiple times

their primary goal was preventing healthcare collapse

dragging shots 4 months apart saved us from wave 3...not

yes because the only reason to travel is for music festivals, not for seeing a parent on their death bed, checking on your property etc.

you are seemingly content almost 2 years later people cannot go back to their way of life..how about another 15 years of this?

[twitchyzero]

in case you missed it, part of FH has gone back into semi-lockdown

with 82% full vax in BC

11 people died today

Bonnie et al admitted to underreporting hospital numbers by almost 50% when compared to Ontario's metric

not a good outlook any way you slice it

[inv4zn]

they were going against manufacturer & FDA recommendations multiple times

their primary goal was preventing healthcare collapse

dragging shots 4 months apart saved us from wave 3...not

yes because the only reason to travel is for music festivals, not for seeing a parent on their death bed, checking on your property etc.

you are seemingly content almost 2 years later people cannot go back to their way of life..how about another 15 years of this?

You are just reiterating my point, the PHO's first priority is preventing healthcare collapse - look what's happening in AB.

I am sympathetic to those who are affected by this, especially if legitimate/emergency travel plans are hindered. My point is that it's unfair and illogical to start screaming because the US government doesn't recognize something Canada did.

Also, nobody including myself is content - but I'm keeping my entitlement in check to realize that BC has fared extraordinarily well compared to most other places.

[westopher]

Also, nobody including myself is content - but I'm keeping my entitlement in check to realize that BC has fared extraordinarily well compared to most other places.

This is what people need to recognize. My buddy from Brazil is upset about his countries handling of covid, because his mother died when there was no hospital that could treat her. We're mad because of chicken fingies, all inclusive resort trips in Mexico, and having to pull out our phone when we walk in a restaurant (like they don't spend the whole time in the restaurant browsing their phone anyway)
It's reasonable to be upset, it's reasonable to complain but there's gotta be some perspective before we start talking about it like its the great tragedy of the 21st century for us that haven't really felt the true hit like loved ones dying, long running illnesses and complete financial collapse.

[CharlesInCharge]

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[inv4zn]

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Jesus Christ. I'm done mincing words because this just pisses me off.

Did you even read the fucking study? Or did you just go to one of your carefully curated troves of shitty sources and accept it as gospel because CNN is run by zionists?

Direct excerpts from the fucking study, which you could have linked:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1019992/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_38.pdf


Results

The rate of a positive COVID-19 test varies by age and vaccination status. The rate of a positive COVID-19 test is substantially lower in vaccinated individuals compared to unvaccinated individuals up to the age of 39. In individuals aged greater than 40, the rate of a positive COVID-19 test is higher in vaccinated individuals compared to unvaccinated. This is likely to be due to a variety of reasons, including differences in the population of vaccinated and unvaccinated people as well as differences in testing
patterns.

The rate of hospitalisation within 28 days of a positive COVID-19 test increases with age, and is substantially greater in unvaccinated individuals compared to vaccinated individuals.

The rate of death within 28 days or within 60 days of a positive COVID-19 test increases with age, and again is substantially greater in unvaccinated individuals compared to fully vaccinated individuals.


Interpretation of the data
These data should be considered in the context of vaccination status of the population groups shown in the rest of this report. The vaccination status of cases, inpatients and deaths is not the most appropriate method to assess vaccine effectiveness and there is a high risk of misinterpretation. Vaccine effectiveness has been formally estimated from a number of different sources and is described earlier in this report.

In the context of very high vaccine coverage in the population, even with a highly effective vaccine, it is expected that a large proportion of cases, hospitalisations and deaths would occur in vaccinated individuals, simply because a larger proportion of the population are vaccinated than unvaccinated and no vaccine is 100% effective. This is especially true because vaccination has been prioritised in individuals who are more
susceptible or more at risk of severe disease. Individuals in risk groups may also be more at risk of hospitalisation or death due to non-COVID-19 causes, and thus may be hospitalised or die with COVID-19 rather than because of COVID-19.


They even warn in the damn study that the data is ripe for misinterpretation. Clearly they knew it would be. I guess you conveniently left out allll the parts that show the vaccines are effective.

Fuck you, and your "tHiS iS a FaCt" - no, it isn't. Even if you and your shitty source (which is apparently on the verge of shutting down, good riddance) claim it to be.


Edit***: For those who didn't see what he posted before he ninja'd it, he linked the website below, and claimed "Aha! See, I told you vaccines were hurting the immune system! Fuck MSM!!
https://theexpose.uk/2021/09/28/fact-check-vaccinated-77-percent-covid-deaths-mainsteam-media-lying/

[StylinRed]

It makes sense also because the majority of ppl are vaccinated, so, eventually there'll be more ppl who r vaxxed with covid than unvaxxed simply due to the dwindling number of unvaxxed individuals

If you scroll to the right of the charts in his linked article and look at the rates per 100k, the unvaxxed are still far ahead

[underscore]

I'd say that's pretty clear

https://i.imgur.com/eStnscY.png

[GLOW]

so the only useful news from his link is that we know he is at least alive and well

[320icar]

It makes sense also because the majority of ppl are vaccinated, so, eventually there'll be more ppl who r vaxxed with covid than unvaxxed simply due to the dwindling number of unvaxxed individuals

I’ve been saying that for weeks and everyone keeps ignoring this point. I don’t know how many people have used a misconstrued version of this point to try and show why vaccines are useless

[MarkyMark]

so the only useful news from his link is that we know he is at least alive and well

Yeah we were all very worried for a minute there.

[Qmx323]

I’ve been saying that for weeks and everyone keeps ignoring this point. I don’t know how many people have used a misconstrued version of this point to try and show why vaccines are useless

I think partially confusion over the term "vaccine"

Our understanding of a vaccine is that it prevents infection.

I got the Polio and Tuberculosis vaccine before, I can't catch Polio or Tuberculosis at all. Not even a little bit, I cannot transmit the virus nor be affected by them.

The C19 Vaccine as we all know doesn't prevent infection - It (tries to) reduces the severity of the symptoms which will ultimately also prevent its spread.

Less cough/sneeze = Less Droplets

That's why C19 "vaccine" is effective, not because it can't prevent infection but to reduce the symptoms so that people don't spread it as easily/fast.

However by calling it a "Vaccine" we've created a group of folks who think "Wait a minute.... don't vaccines PREVENT infection?!?!?! C19 Vaxx is useless!!!! I'M NOT GONNA GET SOMETHING PUT IN ME THAT DOESNT WORKKK!!!!"

What's missing is the link between

"If I get the shot, I prevent serious symptoms which will lessen the load on the hospitals and lower the speed of spread."

"Ok that sounds good to me, even if it means I still have to be careful"

Seems like a lot of people are "tired of" being careful and being "judged" for their choices over their "own" body.

In no way am I praising/encouraging vaccine hesitation, btw.

[whitev70r]

^ this.

[inv4zn]

I think partially confusion over the term "vaccine"

Our understanding of a vaccine is that it prevents infection.

I got the Polio and Tuberculosis vaccine before, I can't catch Polio or Tuberculosis at all. Not even a little bit, I cannot transmit the virus nor be affected by them.

The C19 Vaccine as we all know doesn't prevent infection - It (tries to) reduces the severity of the symptoms which will ultimately also prevent its spread.

Less cough/sneeze = Less Droplets

That's why C19 "vaccine" is effective, not because it can't prevent infection but to reduce the symptoms so that people don't spread it as easily/fast.

However by calling it a "Vaccine" we've created a group of folks who think "Wait a minute.... don't vaccines PREVENT infection?!?!?! C19 Vaxx is useless!!!! I'M NOT GONNA GET SOMETHING PUT IN ME THAT DOESNT WORKKK!!!!"

What's missing is the link between

"If I get the shot, I prevent serious symptoms which will lessen the load on the hospitals and lower the speed of spread."

"Ok that sounds good to me, even if it means I still have to be careful"

Seems like a lot of people are "tired of" being careful and being "judged" for their choices over their "own" body.

In no way am I praising/encouraging vaccine hesitation, btw.

This is actually a good observation, and it doesn't help that the CDC recently changed its definition of vaccine, switching the word 'immunity' to 'protection'.

However, it's only as big of a deal as you make it. Semantics aside the benefits of the Covid vaccine have been proven both in studies and in real life statistics, so to deny its efficacy is like saying seatbelts don't save lives because some people have died in car crashes while wearing a seatbelt.

Also, speaking personally, I'm not judging the few people around me who are refusing to get vaxxed because of their personal choice over their body, i'm judging them because the reasons they spew are illogical at best and downright stupid in other cases.

Also this is a tangent, but a large portion of the ones screaming my body my choice are the ones who think abortions should be illegal. :rukidding:

[whitev70r]

Not blaming anyone, not CDC, not Dr. Henry, not even Trudeau, this is unravelling in real time at a rapid pace. Everyone is trying their best but yah, the vaccine is now a shot that can reduce your symptoms. Those who say that even at the outset, they knew that this vaccine isn't meant to prevent you from getting Covid is blowing smoke out of their arse. I've been following this just as close as anyone, right from the beginning. They marketed as a prevention of covid. I would still get the vaccine for reducing symptoms, but let's call a spade a spade. The vaccine doesn't prevent you from getting the virus.

[inv4zn]

The vaccine doesn't prevent you from getting the virus.

ok, but isn't this generalizing it too much?

According to PHO currently, if someone in your household tests positive, but if you're vaccinated and have a negative test, you don't need to self isolate.

So it prevents SOME people from getting the virus (would depend on circumstances I imagine), and for those that still do, the symptoms are reduced greatly.

[whitev70r]

I'm Pfizer double vaccinated ...let's just say I would not go to a Covid party. Would you?

I personally know someone double vaccinated who got it. So it's a bit of a roulette. Having said that, this person's symptoms was a lot less than others whom I know were not vaccinated that caught it. So this is what real life evidence is demonstrating.

In your scenario, if you came into contact with someone covid positive, and you do not show any symptoms, you do not need to self isolate regardless.

[inv4zn]

In your scenario, if you came into contact with someone covid positive, and you do not show any symptoms, you do not need to self isolate regardless.

This is a change since vaccines came into play.

Previously, if you were identified as a close contact of a positive case or within the same household, you have to self isolate for 14 days since day of contact regardless of test results or symptoms.

[SkinnyPupp]

Those who say that even at the outset, they knew that this vaccine isn't meant to prevent you from getting Covid is blowing smoke out of their arse. I've been following this just as close as anyone, right from the beginning. They marketed as a prevention of covid.
This is not true whatsoever... You can go back and look at this very thread when the data was first starting to come out. We knew what it was going to be from the very start.

[CivicBlues]

Closest corollary to the COVID vaccine is the Flu vaccine. No one says taking the Flu Vaccine is going to stop you from getting the Flu.

[acrophobia]

This is not true whatsoever... You can go back and look at this very thread when the data was first starting to come out. We knew what it was going to be from the very start.

+1

Science said nothing about covid prevention.

Misinformed dolts on Facebook and TikTok made claims about prevention while they discussed 5g microchips, magnetism, and spike protein shedding :okay:

[whitev70r]

Ok. When the vaccine was first released and numbers like "Pfizer or Moderna are 85-90% effective" what did that mean to you? Effective at what? Effective in reducing symptoms? Effective in prevention of Covid?

What did you know from the start? Even the epidemiologist didn't know whether you could be a carrier or could catch it if you were vaccinated.

[westopher]

It was 85-90% effective in preventing infection. It was reduced to 65%(ish) when the delta variant came on the scene. When you look at the amount of those infected in comparison to population percentages that are vaccinated/unvaccinated, I’d say those numbers are still relatively aligned?

[whitev70r]

Granted ...Delta variant threw a bit of a curve and reduced the prevention %.

[westopher]

I honestly don’t know, I haven’t been paying as much attention to the numbers lately. But I do think when we look at actual prevention levels they might add up, but it’s hard to tell, because if you’re vaccinated and have no symptoms you aren’t getting tested. That said, if you’re unvaccinated, and have symptoms, you also probably aren’t getting tested cause you don’t think it’s real unless it’s about to kill you. Truthfully we will never know the numbers because it relies too much on the way individuals handle it.

[SkinnyPupp]

Ok. When the vaccine was first released and numbers like "Pfizer or Moderna are 85-90% effective" what did that mean to you? Effective at what? Effective in reducing symptoms? Effective in prevention of Covid?

What did you know from the start? Even the epidemiologist didn't know whether you could be a carrier or could catch it if you were vaccinated.
To varying degrees, it's effective at preventing death, effective at preventing symptoms, effective at preventing spreading. Those three things. Epidemiologists knew it, shared it with us, so we knew it too. If you'd posted the rest of the quote, you'd know this too Kappa

If everyone got vaccinated somehow before Delta showed up, we'd have essentially cured covid by now. Things are a bit different now, but vaccination is still required to deal with it.

[Teriyaki]

What's worse is there are stories of Murican's who do not regret their non-vaxxed stance on their death beds.

They claim it is their choice, right or wrong, their choice to make.

:facepalm:

Let em go then. Better yet, take em off the ventilators immediately so someone else has a chance of getting treatment.

[punkwax]

Closest corollary to the COVID vaccine is the Flu vaccine. No one says taking the Flu Vaccine is going to stop you from getting the Flu.

This.

I know someone who is double vaxxed that got hit hard with Covid.

[inv4zn]

This.

I know someone who is double vaxxed that got hit hard with Covid.

Amectodal, but one person out of the hundreds or thousands of people you know that got the shot and are trying to make life normal again.

But nooo "vACcInEs DoNt WoRk!!!!"

[Mr.Money]

This.

I know someone who is double vaxxed that got hit hard with Covid.

obese people or people with declining Lung Heath has a huge effect on how covid will effect you.


getting you're lungs attacked with a virus while its already having issues is a huge problem.

[blkgsr]

i want to see the stats on those who are double vaxxed and still getting really sick...

what's their general health? age?


i know a few people who are double vaxxed and still got it, but it was limited to the taste and smell issues and headaches but no hospitalizations.

[RiceIntegraRS]

This.

I know someone who is double vaxxed that got hit hard with Covid.

So that someone probably would of died if they werent double vaxxed. Thats how i see it, but we will never really know unless they test covid on identical twins or something.

[SkinnyPupp]

i want to see the stats on those who are double vaxxed and still getting really sick...

what's their general health? age?


i know a few people who are double vaxxed and still got it, but it was limited to the taste and smell issues and headaches but no hospitalizations.
Adrian Dix posts the stats every day

https://twitter.com/adriandix/status/1443739470235197440

145 people are really sick with covid in BC today. 14 of them are double vaxxed.

2 of them are under 50 years old.

Unfortunately no other comorbidities are listed, but based on previous stats we can probably assume they're sick in other ways.

[blkgsr]

ya I saw that table a page or two back...


2 of them are under 50 years old.......just what i was expecting

[Hondaracer]

So all this talk of Alberta having “only 30 ICU beds left” the system on the brink of collapse etc. clearly this is somewhat hyperbole

So in Florida where they’ve been going full retard since the begging with hundreds of deaths a day, thousands of cases a day, they aren’t in full collapse?

Disney world and all the major theme parks are still open, the state is seemingly fully open for business and travel etc etc. can come and go as you please, virtually no restrictions

Obviously urgent/necessary/optional surgeries are likely cancelled and the resulting trickle down effect on the general health of the residents there. But clearly they are operating almost as usual and just choose to live with the situation?

I would think sooner than later everywhere is going to basically be forced into that type of situation as really, how long can you cater to the unvaccinated? The entire population has to suffer for their choices? Ehhhh

[sonick]

Ok. When the vaccine was first released and numbers like "Pfizer or Moderna are 85-90% effective" what did that mean to you? Effective at what? Effective in reducing symptoms? Effective in prevention of Covid?

What did you know from the start? Even the epidemiologist didn't know whether you could be a carrier or could catch it if you were vaccinated.

It was pretty clear from the start that the efficacy rates stated were based on efficacy of reducing serious/life-threatening COVID symptoms of getting sick, nothing to do with actually carrying the virus or not.

This video was shared widely at the beginning and even they state the efficacy is based on the reduction of symptoms:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3odScka55A

[JDMDreams]

Cuz you pay for healthcare in the US, so you get COVID you die at home. :badpokerface: I was just talking to a couple who used to live in the States a few years ago. It could cost like $5000 to get an ambulance to drive you to the hospital. It's cheaper to Uber to the hospital.

I'm sure we'll be fully vaccinated if we started charging people or just deduct it from their pay.:lawl:



So all this talk of Alberta having “only 30 ICU beds left” the system on the brink of collapse etc. clearly this is somewhat hyperbole

So in Florida where they’ve been going full retard since the begging with hundreds of deaths a day, thousands of cases a day, they aren’t in full collapse?

Disney world and all the major theme parks are still open, the state is seemingly fully open for business and travel etc etc. can come and go as you please, virtually no restrictions

Obviously urgent/necessary/optional surgeries are likely cancelled and the resulting trickle down effect on the general health of the residents there. But clearly they are operating almost as usual and just choose to live with the situation?

I would think sooner than later everywhere is going to basically be forced into that type of situation as really, how long can you cater to the unvaccinated? The entire population has to suffer for their choices? Ehhhh

[Great68]

Had my first run-in with an anti-masker the other day while Shopping with my son at Save-On. I just turned the corner into an aisle and there was a woman to my right looking at some things on the lower shelf, but I didn't really focus on her as I was looking at stuff on the opposite side.

As I walk just past her I hear "Take it off him"? At first I'm like "What? Who's talking to me?".

And then I hear it again coming from her "Take it off him! His mask, he doesn't need it in here". I kind of look at her for a second, stunned, notice that she wasn't wearing a mask, and say to her "Yeah, you don't need to worry about my son thanks" and then keep walking.

Just a bizarre experience that I wasn't expecting.

[JDMDreams]

^^ should have told her he has an exemption:lawl::joy::troll:

[Hondaracer]

Cuz you pay for healthcare in the US, so you get COVID you die at home. :badpokerface: I was just talking to a couple who used to live in the States a few years ago. It could cost like $5000 to get an ambulance to drive you to the hospital. It's cheaper to Uber to the hospital.

I'm sure we'll be fully vaccinated if we started charging people or just deduct it from their pay.:lawl:

According to a bunch of stats I read a while back I believe like 80-90% of Americans actually have some sort of coverage/insurance so I wouldn’t say that’s really the case

Unless people just die at home because they can’t even afford the deductible I guess

[CRS]

According to a bunch of stats I read a while back I believe like 80-90% of Americans actually have some sort of coverage/insurance so I wouldn’t say that’s really the case

Unless people just die at home because they can’t even afford the deductible I guess

I suppose you would need to define what "coverage" means. IIRC, that coverage is the most miniscule thing where if you had anything serious, you'd still go bankrupt.

It is, by no means, what we have here in terms of coverage.

[Hondaracer]

Well regardless of that back to my original point, if you are reporting the cases and deaths to this degree these are people who are in the system, being treated somewhere presumably.

[CRS]

Well regardless of that back to my original point, if you are reporting the cases and deaths to this degree these are people who are in the system, being treated somewhere presumably.

It's a weird thing, isn't it? People are more inclined to die that go into these extreme debts.

I would argue that these people are avoiding the hospitals and dying elsewhere. But also, wasn't florida the state where they were literally setting up tents to treat all these people or using them as impromptu morgues?

[hud 91gt]

Speaking on the other side of the argument, if one didn’t have insurance and was not confident in the outcome of any hospitalization. Having your family pay off the debt of your medical bills when your dead isn’t such a great option either.

[320icar]

I suppose you would need to define what "coverage" means. IIRC, that coverage is the most miniscule thing where if you had anything serious, you'd still go bankrupt.

It is, by no means, what we have here in terms of coverage.

https://youtu.be/aNghg1Y-WIc

[Manic!]

https://www.healthcare.gov/glossary/deductible/

You may have coverage but your delectable could be $2000 and then your insurance may only cover 80% of anything over $2000.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/01/covid-19-hospital-bills-could-cost-uninsured-americans-up-to-75000.html

For those with insurance who are using in-network providers, out-of-pocket costs will be a portion of $21,936 to $38,755, depending on the cost-sharing provisions of their health plan.


So on a $22000 bill a person with coverage could be stuck with a $6000 bill.

[lilaznviper]

i think it will get to a point where insurance companys will stop insuring if you don't have the vaccine for covid19, if you end up in the hospital with covid19

[mikemhg]

A lot of deductibles for private insurance in the US is upwards of $5-$10K

Here, look at Amazon's plan:

https://www.amazon.jobs/en/landing_pages/benefitsoverview-us

Look at these deductibles:

$1,500/employee
$3,000/employee + spouse/domestic partner or children
$4,500/family

That's for a semi-decent plan, I've seen plans for some shit ass companies that go upwards of $10K.

That's the reason why people don't go to the hospital or call an ambulance in a lot of cases when "underprivileged".

EDIT: Obamacare legislation dropped that allowable deductible to $7,500 (I'm somewhat behind on my US Policy, still a massively high amount for most).

[westopher]

gun = rights
healthcare = communism

[CRS]

gun = rights
healthcare = communism

Taking money from the government when you're poor = trashy/socialist
Taking money from the government when you're rich = smart/patriot

[westopher]

Communism
Capitalism

[underscore]

So in Florida where they’ve been going full retard since the begging with hundreds of deaths a day, thousands of cases a day, they aren’t in full collapse?

The state that has 2/3 of the population of Canada, but has 2x the COVID deaths even with them trying to hide the numbers?

[Hondaracer]

And yet are a fully functioning society with the worlds largest theme parks operating at full capacity, maskless.

[SkunkWorks]

And yet are a fully functioning society with the worlds largest theme parks operating at full capacity, maskless.

Lmao florida's your poster child for normality because Disney is still open?

[underscore]

Florida wasn't a fully functioning society to begin with. What metric are you using here because fudging your numbers and still having the 9th highest death rate of the US states isn't a very good starting point.

Their ICUs are averaging 89% capacity, and that's after you filter out all the people who can't afford to go to one or have already died. https://data.commercialappeal.com/covid-19-hospital-capacity/florida/12/

[JDMDreams]

Make theme parks great again! :pokerface: best winter ever!

But yea for reals though what I see on YouTube amazes me, ppl out and about in concerts or car shows with no masks. I guess Murica #1 is immune.

[Hondaracer]

Lmao florida's your poster child for normality because Disney is still open?

No, I’m just saying that this constant thread that Alberta is about to fall off the edge of the earth with 130 people in ICU is just fear mongering as Florida has operated like this from the beginning

Eventually you let people die for the benefit of others. Not great but you can’t keep doing these “fire breaks” and punish the rest of society for the choices of a small group (albeit in Florida it’s a much larger group)

[spoon.ek9]

Alberta's health authority has already publicly admitted it was a mistake to remove all restrictions this summer. Right now, they're begging the federal gov't and neighbouring provinces (ie, us) for assistance. They have a shortage of nurses for multiple reasons on top of the fact that their shit head PM decided it would be a great idea to cut their pay.

Florida is the way it is because DeSantis is doing his best impression of Trump in order to position himself as the next Republican nominee. They aren't fully functioning. They're simply trying to ignore and distract while people continue to suffer and die.

[westopher]

Florida’s healthcare system has probably been spared the whole time because dying in a hospital is too expensive, so people are choosing to die at home more often.

[twitchyzero]

isn't that what people are asking for here, if you're not protected and dying, don't take up a bed?

[westopher]

That’s exactly what I’m asking for. I literally said that’s why their healthcare system hasn’t collapsed. That’s not how the healthcare system works though here, is it.

[Hondaracer]

I don’t think that’s why it hasn’t “collapsed”

The reason it hasn’t is that that doesn’t happen. How can you report all these deaths and attribute them to COVID if they aren’t being treated somewhere?

[westopher]

If people with cancer are getting treatments delayed (my grandfather has) or getting sent home from the emergency room and having to come back in an ambulance (my mother has) I’d say it’s already fucking collapsed.

[CRS]

I don’t think that’s why it hasn’t “collapsed”

The reason it hasn’t is that that doesn’t happen. How can you report all these deaths and attribute them to COVID if they aren’t being treated somewhere?

Because you can do post mortem analysis and through tests you can confirm what the likely cause of dead is...?

If someone dies and there's no clear cause of death, this is standard practice for coroners.

[pastarocket]

-just heard on Citynews1130 that Dr. Henry is going to talk about booster shots for seniors in long term care facilities today. Press conference at 31:30pm.

What are people's thoughts about making rapid testing available at schools? -heard on the news that some parents in the Lower Mainland are asking for rapid testing just like the testing at some schools in Ontario.

[westopher]

There’s no reason not to do absolutely everything at this point. Costs and time are out the window. Testing to mitigate it is probably even more effective than vaccinations in terms of controlling spread. Vaccinations will prevent severity and testing will be very effective in terms of school and other large scale gathering spread prevention.

[Hondaracer]

If people with cancer are getting treatments delayed (my grandfather has) or getting sent home from the emergency room and having to come back in an ambulance (my mother has) I’d say it’s already fucking collapsed.

I think the media would do well to tell this type of story when they reference the “collapse” rather than the picture of mad max taking place on the stampede grounds that they currently do

[westopher]

Yeah agreed. And I’m not trying to overstate it. They’re both still alive, but there’s no reason to believe that waiting a couple months extra to start radiation could have been the difference in my grandfather surviving, as it was touch and go if they were going to be able to treat it enough to eradicate it. (It was multiple skin tumours)
There are definitely people that are faring worse. A friend of mine lost his wife to cancer this year and I don’t doubt that the delays in her treatment could have played a role. That’s a lot of people affected in my life, and when you extrapolate that over millions of people that could be a shitload or collateral damage. Especially at this point in our vaccination timeline. The people who just didn’t get around to it are very few and far between and the majority are people who are choosing to have this virus to continue to be catastrophic.

[JDMDreams]

I think it has to do with the over all Canadian attitude of being laid back, we are never leading anything. We just have the wait and see attitude, let's see if the numbers go up, numbers are going up, let's see if the numbers stay up, numbers double, well let's just see if the numbers will fix itself. :pokerface:

We're so damn reactionary, in the last 2 years we've done no prevention, all of the policies are reactionary. Let's see if kids start dying first, o but then we might get false positives. Some false positives or negatives are still better than doing nothing at all and cases continue to rise

O and another thing just look at Alberta, all the ppl who skip quarantine doesn't even get fined. So they are just rewarding those who break the law :fulloffuck::facepalm:

[westopher]

They don’t reward them. You don’t get a free tv if you skip quarantine.

[JDMDreams]

Lol I just talked to someone that said they can't find a job cuz most employers in her field will most likely need vaccines. And that she's trying to find one that doesn't. Starvation for you then:awwyeah::lawl: better take your freedom and rights to the grave.

[6793026]

my grandma is 93 and did not want to get vaccine. Her son / daughters tried to convince her.. NO luck.

I had to drag her ass out and SUPER thankful I was able ot convince her to go get the vacccine. I was SOOOO shocked she got off the car at river rock casino and wnet thru it.

It's an empty place (only 5 people getting vaccines) versus line ups out the door.

So happy my grandma got the vacccine you wouldn' tbelieve

[underscore]

Apparently some places in the US are saying anyone who isn't vaccinated has to switch to an "alternative work plan." The only plan available? Unpaid admin leave. Have fun with that.

I don’t think that’s why it hasn’t “collapsed”

The reason it hasn’t is that that doesn’t happen. How can you report all these deaths and attribute them to COVID if they aren’t being treated somewhere?

Why are you assuming everyone is getting treated? Some people are dying in their homes.

[SumAznGuy]

I wonder how much truth there is to this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q955KCnHWBk

It's scary that people to think people will do things with blind faith but then again I guess they can say the same thing about us who go vaccinated.

[Hondaracer]

Bonnie Henry - Keep your thanksgiving small

Bonnie Henry - go to a canucks game with 15,000 other people not wearing masks..

[whitev70r]

^ Yah but one ... no double vaccination required for family gatherings. The other, all 15,000 are double vaccinated.

Big announcement about double vaccinated requirement for travel ... but we knew this was coming.

[JDMDreams]

Woooooo As of Oct. 30, all travellers aged 12 and older taking flights leaving Canadian airports or travelling on VIA Rail and Rocky Mountaineer trains must be fully vaccinated before boarding. Marine passengers on non-essential passenger vessels like cruise ships must also complete the vaccination series before travelling.

"For the vast, vast majority of people, the rules are very simple — to travel, you've got to be vaccinated," Trudeau said.

They are trying to keep the muricans inside Alberta.:lawl:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/federal-vaccine-mandate-1.6201528

[westopher]

I have to LOL at the canucks games. Like does half capacity make a difference? 8000 people in an arena is going to “do it’s part” in comparison to 16000? The rows were still full. My coworker went last night and 30/30 seats around her were full so what does partial capacity really accomplish? I guess you could argue the people waiting in line for food and walking around, but that’s basically Costco on a Sunday.

[Presto]

Privacy breach with a 3rd party vaccine passport app in Alberta.

:facepalm:




CBC (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/portpass-privacy-breach-1.6191749)- Private proof-of-vaccination app Portpass exposed personal information, including the driver's licences, of what could be as many as hundreds of thousands of users by leaving its website unsecured.

On Monday evening, CBC News received a tip that the user profiles on the app's website could be accessed by members of the public.

CBC is not sharing how to access those profiles, in order to protect users' personal information, but has verified that email addresses, names, blood types, phone numbers, birthdays, as well as photos of identification like driver's licences and passports can easily be viewed by reviewing dozens of users' profiles.

The information was not encrypted and could be viewed in plain text.

Earlier in the day, the Calgary-based company's CEO Zakir Hussein had denied the app had verification or security issues and accused those who raised concerns about it of breaking the law.

CBC called Hussein late Monday, and agreed to hold off on publishing an article on the lapse until late Tuesday morning in order to give his team time to lock down the site and protect user information.

The portpassportal.com web app was pulled offline that evening and users of the mobile app were met with "Network error" pop-up messages if they attempted to upload or modify any information.

Hussein said Tuesday morning that the breach only lasted for minutes, and repeated that claim when CBC pointed out it had reviewed the personal information for more than an hour — and it's unknown how long the information was exposed before that tip was received.

"Someone that's out there is trying to destroy us here, and we're trying to build something good for people," he said.

"There's holes, and what I'm realizing is I think there are some things that we need to fix here. And you know, we're trying to play catch-up, I guess, and trying to figure out where these holes are."

The CEO said data has been pulled from the server and his developers are investigating. He said he believes only those who were awaiting verification were affected, a claim CBC was unable to verify.

Hussein has said Portpass has more than 650,000 registered users across Canada.

Security, privacy concerns
Cybersecurity analyst Ritesh Kotak said he was shocked but not surprised to hear users' information was exposed.

"These were exactly the privacy and security concerns I've previously raised when it comes to using third-party apps," Kotak said. "You've gotta ask yourself, 'Where's the data housed? Who has access to it? Is it encrypted?'… If this gets out to the wrong individuals it opens them up to fraud, identity theft and a whole other world of potential issues."

Earlier on Tuesday morning, Hussein spoke with 630 CHED Radio and said the servers were turned off to perform a security audit. He did not mention during that interview that users' personal information had been exposed.

The Calgary Sports and Entertainment Corporation (CSEC), which owns the NHL's Calgary Flames, had recommended the Calgary-based app as a way for ticket holders to prove their COVID-19 vaccination status to enter the Scotiabank Saddledome arena.

CSEC said Monday in an emailed statement, before the security lapse was discovered, that it's aware of concerns raised about the app and is working with the app's developer. CBC has reached out to CSEC for further comment. On Tuesday, after this article was published, CSEC pulled the recommendation for the app from the Flames' website.

"It seems like these were some really basic things that were missed. I question why the Calgary Flames in the first place said go ahead and use this app … you gotta do your homework," Kotak said.

Sharon Polsky, president of the Privacy and Access Council of Canada, said those who fear their information may have been compromised can notify the Office of the Privacy Commissioner. She said the company should have to answer some hard questions about how long the information was accessible and how many users saw their data exposed.

"Will they conduct a forensic audit? Will they bring in a third-party independent auditor, not just somebody from within their company, to look it over and say, 'Yeah, we had a problem?'" Polsky said.

Hussein said his company will notify the offices of the federal and Alberta privacy commissioners.

The Alberta privacy commissioner's office said in an emailed statement that it has not yet received a report, and said it is contacting Portpass to remind it that if "there is a real risk of significant harm to affected individuals" an incident must be reported to the commissioner and individuals must be notified.

The federal privacy commissioner also said it has not yet received a report, and said it has contacted Portpass to seek further information in order to determine next steps, and that it is in communication with its provincial counterpart.

Alberta does not have an official app
On Sunday, Conrad Yeung, a local web developer, had questioned on social media whether the app was accurately verifying vaccination information and CBC News had contacted the company to ask for a response.

Shortly after CBC contacted the company on Sunday, the app began to experience technical difficulties, but Hussein said the crash was due to an influx of users headed to that night's hockey game, overloading the server.

Alberta currently does not have an official proof-of-vaccination app, and the province's PDF vaccine record has been criticized for being easy to edit.

Kristi, one Portpass user, said she was scared to learn her personal information may be compromised. CBC News agreed not to use her last name in case her information was among those exposed.

She said she only downloaded a private app because the government hasn't yet made one available — a delay that frustrates her.

"It was like a kick in the gut when I got the CBC News alert … I don't know if my information is out there," she said.

Yeung had tested the Portpass app by uploading a photo of an actor as an ID photo, and editing a fake vaccination record to display the actor's name that the app verified as legitimate.

However, earlier on Monday, Hussein had denied that the app validated Yeung's false information, despite it appearing to do so, because he said the fake picture would be a giveaway.

"That's not true. We saw it on the back end and we were watching it.… So even if that user showed up, he wouldn't be able to utilize that picture because that's not him. So you wouldn't be able to get in. Secondly, that QR code, if someone scanned it, it would show that picture again," he said at the time.

Hussein had also said security concerns Yeung had raised about the app were false, and suggested he may contact authorities over his social media posts. He said he wished Yeung and others publicly posting concerns instead had privately reached out to the company.

"Instead he did that maliced behaviour. That, you know, that's not nice," he said.

Yeung said earlier on Monday he had no ill-will toward the company but simply wanted to raise the issues he spotted.

"I was trying to warn, I guess, the general public based on the vulnerabilities that I saw. Because at the end of the day, it's personal information people are submitting," he said.

[Hondaracer]

I have to LOL at the canucks games. Like does half capacity make a difference? 8000 people in an arena is going to “do it’s part” in comparison to 16000? The rows were still full. My coworker went last night and 30/30 seats around her were full so what does partial capacity really accomplish? I guess you could argue the people waiting in line for food and walking around, but that’s basically Costco on a Sunday.

Rogers Arena is the only arena in the NHL that isn’t back to full capacity

Every game I’ve watched no one is wearing a mask because, like the wedding I went to, you don’t have to wear one when eating and drinking. Don’t want to wear a mask? Keep a drink in your hand. No one seems to be putting their masks back on in between drinks etc lol. So you’d have to think PHO etc. know this is going to be the case

[Traum]

Privacy breach with a 3rd party vaccine passport app in Alberta.

:facepalm:
The Big Story podcast did an interview with the CBC Calgary reporter that followed through the whole incident:

https://thebigstorypodcast.ca/2021/10/06/how-a-calgary-based-proof-of-vaccination-app-was-breached/

I'd 1000% have more faith in believing the reporter than I would with the Portpass CEO. Based on what the reporter has said, it seemed like the whole Portpass thing was very poorly written.

And the reporter claimed that she had reached out to the Portpass CEO before making her story public, but the CEO dude did not return her calls or questions, and mostly only denied the allegations until shxt really hit the fan.

[JDMDreams]

Well what company plus government won't deny until shit hits the fan. Just look at Alberta, still denying:pokerface::lawl: you gotta show me more numbers first! Numbers!

[pastarocket]

I have to LOL at the canucks games. Like does half capacity make a difference? 8000 people in an arena is going to “do it’s part” in comparison to 16000? The rows were still full. My coworker went last night and 30/30 seats around her were full so what does partial capacity really accomplish? I guess you could argue the people waiting in line for food and walking around, but that’s basically Costco on a Sunday.


I agree. However, from the point of view of Canucks ownership, I am sure that Aquilini wants to sell as many tickets as possible to make up for the revenue loss during this pandemic. It's a big difference in terms of the bottom line for Aquaman.

The Canucks are even doing their 50/50 draw for Canucks Place to help kids in palliative care and of course to get more fans to buy tickets to go the games.

[white rocket]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/federal-vaccine-mandate-1.6201528

Easily the most significant date so far since this whole mess started. I know plenty of health care workers who took their paid stress leave recently since they won't get jabbed. It will be interesting to see who holds the line once it affects their wallet. That's a LOT of people mandated to get poked.

[whitev70r]

The Canucks are even doing their 50/50 draw for Canucks Place to help kids in palliative care and of course to get more fans to buy tickets to go the games.

You can buy 50/50 tix online now ... Don't need to be present in the stadium at all.

[westopher]

Easily the most significant date so far since this whole mess started. I know plenty of health care workers who took their paid stress leave recently since they won't get jabbed. It will be interesting to see who holds the line once it affects their wallet. That's a LOT of people mandated to get poked.
Can you really be an adequate medical professional if you don’t believe in the science that your job is based on?
My wife’s best friend is a surgeon in Alberta. She had to cancel all the elective surgery planned as she’s covering for many doctors in non specialized areas as they are out with covid. In a situation like they have there, it’s not an if, it’s when you get it. What’s worse than a healthcare professional leaving the industry, is a healthcare worker that can’t work because they are taking up a hospital bed.

[CRS]

Those that work for the federal government just got notice today. Key take aways are:

1. All federal public service workers in the core public service, including the RCMP, CBSA and Correctional Services, must be fully vaccinated by Friday, October 29, 2021
2. Public service workers who do not provide proof of vaccination by November 15 will be placed on unpaid leave
3. Crown corporations, agencies, and the Canadian Forces are encouraged to implement similar policies, but this policy will not immediately apply to them.

[68style]

^ Yah we were told October 30 deadline... there's 1 person on my team that, so far as I know, did not get vaccinated and called in sick for like 3 days when the passport was announced (probably due to stress) I expect this will get very, very interesting.

She's one of those "no matter what it is, there's a problem" people... we go on work trips, she has to get other people to pay for her/hold down her hotel room because she doesn't have a credit card... you name it, she is causing a problem about it. Totally and utterly useless. Likes to call Bonnie Henry a "floozy" hahahahaa

[white rocket]

Can you really be an adequate medical professional if you don’t believe in the science that your job is based on?

I think that question is a very loaded one in these times. Why are there hundreds of legit doctors with legit licenses cautioning vaccine use and speaking out against it? Why would they risk their livelihood and reputation? It's not like they all went crazy in unison and completely forget what they learned pre-pandemic. Let's all band together and look stupid so mainstream media can tear us apart. This tells me that the answer isn't black and white. It's not get the poke or die or drink bleach to cure covid. It's gray.

My wife’s best friend is a surgeon in Alberta. She had to cancel all the elective surgery planned as she’s covering for many doctors in non specialized areas as they are out with covid. In a situation like they have there, it’s not an if, it’s when you get it.

These doctors out with covid, did they choose to not get the vax and now they are sick? And if they were vaxxed then they would available to work because they wouldn't be sick now?

What’s worse than a healthcare professional leaving the industry, is a healthcare worker that can’t work because they are taking up a hospital bed.

100%. But not everyone is convinced that if every human had the poke today, this pandemic would end today. That's where the doubt comes from. It's becoming vaxxed vs. unvaxxed and that doesn't sit well with some. Not all unvaxxed people are sign waiving protestors.

<------waits for the "are YOU vaxxed?" question :troll:

[inv4zn]

I think that question is a very loaded one in these times. Why are there hundreds of legit doctors with legit licenses cautioning vaccine use and speaking out against it? Why would they risk their livelihood and reputation? It's not like they all went crazy in unison and completely forget what they learned pre-pandemic. Let's all band together and look stupid so mainstream media can tear us apart. This tells me that the answer isn't black and white. It's not get the poke or die or drink bleach to cure covid. It's gray.

Of the 'Hundreds of doctors' (don't know where you got that figure from), assuming they're not of the feces-peddling chiropractic type, some are cautioning vaccines because there's the very odd case where someone reacts badly, etc. It's a miniscule percentage of doctors, and you're arguing in bad faith as if somehow there's two equal sides - there are not. And also remember, out of every graduating class of doctors, someone was on the bottom of the grades list...so.

Not all unvaxxed people are sign waiving protestors.
Sure, but all the people waiving signs are unvaxxed.

[westopher]

No the doctors are vaxxed. I can’t speak to every one of them, but from what I’m told nobody is really sick. Just inconvenienced. Even if they were showing no symptoms they wouldn’t be able to work. It’s a range of no to mild symptoms of the ones I was told of.
We know vaccines won’t end covid, but there’s absolutely no merit in arguing against that the more people that are vaccinated, the less deaths and hospitalizations, and that always has been the determining factor in lockdowns and the deviation from daily life.
If someone doesn’t want to get vaxxed, whatever. Just stay in your basement with no human contact and stay out of the way.
If 1/1000 doctors says to stay away from vaccinations, there is a 99.9% chance they are wrong. If 2/5 doctors were arguing against vaccines it might be worth a discussion, but not every doctor is a good one and in any massive sample sizes your going to have idiots, contrarians, religious zealots, etc. That will use their degree as a merit badge for believing whatever they say.

[CivicBlues]

Doctors in a hospital setting are also are probably exposed to an order of magnitude more viral load than the average person. So if they're just getting mild illness that bodes well for the rest of us that are vaxxed.

[Vege]

Early on when the vaccine was first made available, I agree there would be hesitation on what potential harmful impacts will become apparent. Right now, there is enough data to support the benefits of taking the vaccine. Sure, we can always play devil's advocate and say we don't know the long term effects, however anyone who has seen what is happening around the world, can make an informed choice of the risks of taking the vaccine versus the risks of getting covid.

More and more Employers are now taking the stance that a vaccine mandate will be part of your employment as it is seen as a health and safety issue. Those who still believe in their conspiracy bullshit and still think things are overblown, good luck. You may think your rights are being infringed upon, however, your rights do not override the safety of others around you. You might start looking around at what countries in the world will accept your beliefs as your right to travel will soon prevent you from leaving.

[white rocket]

I am aware of the discredit out there. More just saying that there are a great deal of people from all walks of life that do not correlate increased vaccinations with preventing more deaths or hospitalizations in a pure black and white manner. And there are people feeling the pressure of choice being taken away from them due to non-compliance. And more than the normal amounts of people that typically speak out too. Within that, I just happen to find it interesting. Why there are so many different opinions and why people feel the way that that do. That's all. Just an observation.

[Bouncing Bettys]

Are there any reliable numbers on people who have had covid and got it a 2nd time vs those who have been fully vaxxed and got covid?

[TOS'd]

Alberta being Alberta

Politician Pretends To Use Hand Sanitizer Before He Speaks
medicalcluelessachillestang

[Vege]

The world of social media. Everyone has an opinion these days and apparently that means they are a credible source of info. You know it is a problem when the media quotes tweets as sources of info let alone the nonsense that you see on Facebook.

Long gone are the respect for those who are experts in their field. I may have an opinion about how to treat my sprained shoulder but I will listen to a physiotherapist when they provide advice on the best way to treat my injury.


I am aware of the discredit out there. More just saying that there are a great deal of people from all walks of life that do not correlate increased vaccinations with preventing more deaths or hospitalizations in a pure black and white manner. And there are people feeling the pressure of choice being taken away from them due to non-compliance. And more than the normal amounts of people that typically speak out too. Within that, I just happen to find it interesting. Why there are so many different opinions and why people feel the way that that do. That's all. Just an observation.

[underscore]

If 2/5 doctors were arguing against vaccines it might be worth a discussion, but not every doctor is a good one and in any massive sample sizes your going to have idiots, contrarians, religious zealots, etc. That will use their degree as a merit badge for believing whatever they say.

They also tend to either a) not actually be doctors or b) be in a field that has nothing to do with what they're talking about. You wouldn't go to a knee specialist to talk about a kidney transplant.

[twitchyzero]

but bro, dr oz

[JDMDreams]

But Dr Phil, catch me outside how bout dat:joy::troll:

[SkinnyPupp]

https://twitter.com/tripperhead/status/1445437732755423235

TLDW: Ivermectin showed promise in vitro, and it may have some antiviral properties at certain dosages. Problem is, the dose required for that is so high, it's toxic.

Works great at low dose to kill parasites, but not so great when you're taking toxic doses trying to cure covid.

Add this to Chloroquinine as another drug scientists saw promise in, but ended up being useless. I'm not sure why weirdos try to cling to each one after they're proven not to work, but there you go. I'm sure there will be another. Maybe an antifungal next?

[GLOW]

Alberta being Alberta

Politician Pretends To Use Hand Sanitizer Before He Speaks
medicalcluelessachillestang

maybe he's just doing is square version of birdman :badpokerface:

https://media1.giphy.com/media/MO9ARnIhzxnxu/200.gif

[hud 91gt]

I just got notification for my third dose. Haven’t even heard of this happening here except for special circumstances? Do they think I’m dying? Lol

[320icar]

I just got notification for my third dose. Haven’t even heard of this happening here except for special circumstances? Do they think I’m dying? Lol

F in the chat. Dibs on your Datsun

[6793026]

Can you really be an adequate medical professional if you don’t believe in the science that your job is based on?

My wife’s best friend is a surgeon in Alberta. She had to cancel all the elective surgery planned as she’s covering for many doctors in non specialized areas as they are out with covid. In a situation like they have there, it’s not an if, it’s when you get it. What’s worse than a healthcare professional leaving the industry, is a healthcare worker that can’t work because they are taking up a hospital bed.

Bad example you might say; i did call out someone and this what they threw back at me.

"Just because I work here / fixing the car, doesn't mean I believe the product, I'm here for the paycheck."

"I don't drive one because i don't believe on their poor craftsmanship"

^ Yah we were told October 30 deadline... there's 1 person on my team that, so far as I know, did not get vaccinated and called in sick for like 3 days when the passport was announced (probably due to stress) I expect this will get very, very interesting.

She's one of those "no matter what it is, there's a problem" people... we go on work trips, she has to get other people to pay for her/hold down her hotel room because she doesn't have a credit card... you name it, she is causing a problem about it. Totally and utterly useless. Likes to call Bonnie Henry a "floozy" hahahahaa

Someone was hired to work but they can't work at their tradeshow. it's going to be interesting when 50% of work bookings comes from the show; sorry, your numbers aren't doing well.... gotta let you go might be the best way to let someone go cause legally, HR has justification on performance.

[hud 91gt]

F in the chat. Dibs on your Datsun

If I’m dying. It’s due to the stress of ownership of said Datsun. Haha.

[The Producer]

I just got notification for my third dose. Haven’t even heard of this happening here except for special circumstances? Do they think I’m dying? Lol

a text?

it's a scumbag scammer - phishing

[westopher]

It’s a bit different than the mechanic, as there are other choices for cars to drive around.
Healthcare is objective and has one system with proven treatments. Your options for other treatments right now are going to the pet store or fighting it with “natural immunity”
It’s more like a mechanic walking because they don’t believe in cars. It’s possible that person exists and can be objective, but chances are they didn’t get into the profession if they have no interest and no belief in it.
It’s like someone who writes music but won’t listen to it or someone who writes menus but doesn’t eat. Unless you’re Beethoven, you probably can’t do it.

[SSM_DC5]

I just got notification for my third dose. Haven’t even heard of this happening here except for special circumstances? Do they think I’m dying? Lol

Have you had a transplant? Or considered moderately to severely immunocompromised?

[MarkyMark]

My wife's been on prednisone the last few weeks because of an issue with her eye and she got a text saying she may require a booster because she's considered immunocompromised now.

[hud 91gt]

I have no issues. Not a scam. I can register through the system. Our medical system is $ucked. Lol

[CRS]

I have no issues. Not a scam. I can register through the system. Our medical system is $ucked. Lol

Do you have diabetes?

[hud 91gt]

Nope.

[SSM_DC5]

Nope.

What drugs you on then? :suspicious:

[320icar]

You guys got it all wrong. The 5G chip they gave him from the first shots clearly had a short. They need to get him a replacement ASAP before he becomes too woke

[fliptuner]

If I’m dying. It’s due to the stress of ownership of said Datsun. Haha.

I can alleviate your stress.

No homo

maybe handjob, no glove :badpokerface:

[punkwax]

No glove on what though.. the giving end or the receiving?

[68style]

No glove on what though.. the giving end or the receiving?

Sounds like another case for the thermal imaging camera :pokerface:

[lilaznviper]

got any email for my mom for a 3rd shot, since she is on meds that make her immune compromised.

[Sw0op]

does the immunocompromised include people who have done chemo treatment but finished recently? the page says "Active treatment" but then it says systematic treatment received after March 2020

[hud 91gt]

What drugs you on then? :suspicious:

Just life. No underlying medical conditions. It’s an error. Has to be. I’ve had pneumonia, but really doubt that’s on any sort of record.

[CRS]

does the immunocompromised include people who have done chemo treatment but finished recently? the page says "Active treatment" but then it says systematic treatment received after March 2020

It should. I know someone that is complete their treatment and got the notification.

[westopher]

Just life. No underlying medical conditions. It’s an error. Has to be. I’ve had pneumonia, but really doubt that’s on any sort of record.I have 3 co-workers that were offered vaccinations 2-2.5 months before their age groups due to "underlying health conditions" that were two healthy, mid 20s females and a mid 30s healthy female. We all figured out that it was due to them having their wisdom teeth out in the last couple months. It was the only consistency.

[inv4zn]

It was the only consistency.

Well, they also all work with you.
You handsome underlying health condition, you.
:troll:

[StylinRed]

The guy that owns POW pizza has been flouting the rules in Alberta and going on social media to garner support for ignoring covid rules

Calgary has rescinded his license n alcohol/food handling permits etc, but they're still going

All the anti vaxxers seem to be supporting em still

Not sure if they're following the rules at their BC locations, but yikes

They're called WOP pizza in AB (yes the ethnic slur)

https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/calgary-restaurant-loses-business-and-liquor-licence-for-failing-to-comply-with-covid-19-restrictions-1.5615066

[320icar]

Rolly’s diner in hope has been shut down for 6 months for the same thing. Good riddance to me that place was garbage and supports flat Earthers. Not kidding, they do meetings there and have plaques on the wall

https://globalnews.ca/news/8252256/rollys-restaurant-vaccine-passport-business-licence/?utm_source=980CKNW&utm_medium=Facebook

[JDMDreams]

I think that place that stayed open during no in person dining in Olympic village is still open? Gusto? The owner is some crazy anti masker I wonder if they are checking qr codes.:suspicious:

[JD¹³]

Exactly as I have been saying and directly from the horses mouth: passports are about coercion and not reducing transmission in high risk areas.

Dr. Patricia Daly, Chief Medical Health Officer for Vancouver Coastal Health
https://www.instagram.com/p/CUwCWQ0LpNf/
(No I don't follow Rebel News)

So now that it's admitted to though it was obvious to anyone capable of critical thinking, my questions remain for those of you that have been cheering on this system:

In three months are you going to support a passport extension if it didn't do anything to change the hospital numbers when she has admitted they won't?
Are you going to support an expansion of the passport to more areas and businesses with no justification for public health?
If that passport requirement changes making it mandatory to get a third vaccine and everyone is suddenly on the outs of eligibility are you lining up for another shot? And a fourth? And endless boosters? How many will you take just to be compliant?

Original post
Ah, so you think people follow the rules to a T in places that support your argument and enforcement is weak in the places that don't. Gotcha :lol

I guess my question to those who think the passport is a good idea is.... what happens when this doesn't work (which it won't it's effect will be negligible). BC currently has 278 people in hospital with 139 of them in critical care. Let's say those numbers stay relatively the same which is what's important over simple positive test numbers. Right now BC has 77.026% of eligible population with one dose and 70.198% fully vaccinated. We are now within a couple weeks of the 'herd immunity' numbers they wanted back when the vaccines dropped. So...

In four months are you going to cheer on a passport extension if it didn't do anything to change the hospital numbers?
Are you going to support an expansion of the passport to more areas and businesses?
If that passport requirement changes to making it mandatory to get a third vaccine and everyone is suddenly on the outs of eligibility are you lining up for another shot?
Will you line up for a fourth shot? (https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/middle-east/israel-is-preparing-for-possible-fourth-covid-vaccine-dose/articleshow/86170890.cms)

https://covid19tracker.ca/provincevac.html?p=BC
https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/a6f23959a8b14bfa989e3cda29297ded
Also as I was stating way back in April(?) when my peers in the US were experiencing heart related side effects after Moderna doses, and that adverse reaction numbers will be grossly under-reported: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/08/nordic-countries-are-restricting-the-use-of-modernas-covid-vaccine.html

In BC they are still saying Moderna is the mandatory vaccine for anyone over 18.

[mikemhg]

I have 3 co-workers that were offered vaccinations 2-2.5 months before their age groups due to "underlying health conditions" that were two healthy, mid 20s females and a mid 30s healthy female. We all figured out that it was due to them having their wisdom teeth out in the last couple months. It was the only consistency.

I doubt dentists share their medical records with the province to that capacity, in that it would be tied to some database to your PHN, dental services are entirely private.

Must be something else.

[Vansterdam]

If you could get any vaccine including mix vaxxs and ones offered anywhere what would you get ?

Hearing gov trying really hard to get US to accept mix Vax status

[westopher]

I doubt dentists share their medical records with the province to that capacity, in that it would be tied to some database to your PHN, dental services are entirely private.

Must be something else.
I would think in the case of dental surgeries it should be shared. Any time you are given general anesthetic it’s very relevant to your health. I don’t know though. I’ll ask my dentist buddy.

[trip]

Exactly as I have been saying and directly from the horses mouth: passports are about coercion and not reducing transmission in high risk areas.

Dr. Patricia Daly, Chief Medical Health Officer for Vancouver Coastal Health
https://www.instagram.com/p/CUwCWQ0LpNf/
(No I don't follow Rebel News)

So now that it's admitted to though it was obvious to anyone capable of critical thinking, my questions remain for those of you that have been cheering on this system:

In three months are you going to support a passport extension if it didn't do anything to change the hospital numbers when she has admitted they won't?
Are you going to support an expansion of the passport to more areas and businesses with no justification for public health?
If that passport requirement changes making it mandatory to get a third vaccine and everyone is suddenly on the outs of eligibility are you lining up for another shot? And a fourth? And endless boosters? How many will you take just to be compliant?

Original post

Also as I was stating way back in April(?) when my peers in the US were experiencing heart related side effects after Moderna doses, and that adverse reaction numbers will be grossly under-reported: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/08/nordic-countries-are-restricting-the-use-of-modernas-covid-vaccine.html

In BC they are still saying Moderna is the mandatory vaccine for anyone over 18.


Sweden suspends Moderna vaccine for those 30 and under
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/sweden-suspends-moderna-vaccine-for-those-30-and-under-1.5613031

Finland follows other Nordic countries by suspending Moderna COVID-19 vaccine
https://globalnews.ca/news/8252931/finland-follows-other-nordic-countries-by-suspending-moderna-covid-19-vaccine/

[Hondaracer]

I dunno if I’m just high when this happens or what but I got 2 Moderna and legit feel my chest feeling weirddd like panic attack/anxiety type feeling I never really had before

Could be from messing with home made cookies though :/

[westopher]

You should get a stress test done. It’s possible it could be vaccine related, or it could just be the weed, or you could just be developing anxiety.
There’s a huge uptick in mental health issues and it’s not a coincidence. The last 1.5 years have completely fucking sucked and we’ve been inundated with bad news constantly.
Completely upend someone’s way of life, negatively no less, and it’s not unreasonable to expect some very noticeable mental and physical effects as a result.

[trip]

In respect to mental health .. alot of the workforce in general has or is contemplating quitting due to the sheer stress and added workload. So much has changed in the way organizations manage things, WFH, restructuring and lay offs ..

Personally, my org took an entire department of experts. Trained them for a new role and said to us "this is your job now". Had I known that I could take that as a constructive dismissal of role and would be entitled to full severance. I probably would have taken it. 1 year later, there has been no strategic planning, making knee jerk reactions and not using the tangible data that we've gathered throughout the year.

[pastarocket]

A change in the mask mandate for all public indoor spaces in BC.


https://www.citynews1130.com/2021/10/08/covid-bc-mask-mandate-change/

VANCOUVER (NEWS 1130) – B.C. is making a major change to its mask mandate for indoor public spaces.

Everyone in B.C. ages five and up will soon be required to wear face coverings in places such as malls, grocery stores, and libraries.

The move will align with the school mask mandate, which requires everyone from Kindergarten to Grade 12 to wear face coverings.

[StylinRed]

Rolly’s diner in hope has been shut down for 6 months for the same thing. Good riddance to me that place was garbage and supports flat Earthers. Not kidding, they do meetings there and have plaques on the wall

https://globalnews.ca/news/8252256/rollys-restaurant-vaccine-passport-business-licence/?utm_source=980CKNW&utm_medium=Facebook

I feel like I've eaten there before, when I was like 15 going to kelowna with my parents, all I remember was a diner with a lot of hot white chicks :lol

[white rocket]

I dunno if I’m just high when this happens or what but I got 2 Moderna and legit feel my chest feeling weirddd like panic attack/anxiety type feeling I never really had before

Could be from messing with home made cookies though :/

I got Moderna as well and haven't felt any excess chest pain and I blaze heavy. I have anxiety already and know that chest pain feeling and how it's hard to distinguish if it's a legit health concern at the time or if you're just trippin' a bit. 9.9/10 it is the latter and it just goes away. I was a bit worried about it though since the wife chose Pfizer because of the possible side effects reported on Moderna and I couldn't be bothered to request Pfizer when Moderna was offered.

So naturally if I'm feeling even the slightest bit paranoid I'm like "Fuuuuuuck, the 'derna's gonna kill me" :lawl::lawl::lawl:

[Vansterdam]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus_BC/comments/q4avxq/bc_covid_survival_rate_as_of_sep_25_2021/

https://i.redd.it/7prhnhi3obs71.png

[320icar]

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[hud 91gt]

1 in 95 chance of dying? I can handle those odds.

But if your 90… 1 in 3? Haha oh man, I’d be scared shitless. I’m betting the other 2/3 didn’t have a very nice experience even if they lived.

[westopher]

1/95 still isn’t sweet considering the amount of mitigation that was done. If it were left to run rampant the caseload and deaths would be huge. Those numbers will go down drastically with vaccination now though, so yeah. 1/95 chance if your unvaccinated and probably 1/10000 for our age group if you are.
It’s just down to hospital capacity at this point, as most people are probably more likely to die from a myriad of other things in the current situation.

[320icar]

I don’t watch many of those russel brand videos, but he usually is very respectful and polite, good at seeing both sides of a discussion. This one is about the non vaccinated population. I’d say worth watching the first 10 minutes, might help some of us at least be more understanding or ask questions before condemning all non vaccinated as idiots.

Granted I do see that this video is definitely more of an American issue. Many of those concerns brought up do not apply to Canada (paid time to get shot, sick days, green cards etc)

https://youtu.be/YfxnKgCN3OY

[white rocket]

^^From "fuck you" towards to the anti-vaxxers to this? Today is a great day.

[Traum]

TL;DR -- US to accept travellers immunized with vaccines approved by WHO, FDA, says CDC

https://www.citynews1130.com/2021/10/11/us-vaccines-approved-who/
https://www.citynews1130.com/2021/10/11/point-roberts-us-border-changes/

US 92 gas + parcel pick up -- here we go again~!!! :tears:

[320icar]

^^From "fuck you" towards to the anti-vaxxers to this? Today is a great day.

There is a big difference between anti-vax and people who haven’t gotten the shot. I have an anti government uncle I’ll openly call an idiot. I have a cousin who *finally* got the jab but he’s definite not an idiot. And I have friends with medical conditions that can’t get the shot. I know people all over the spectrum.

But I still firmly maintain a big fuck you to the anti-vax people who are stuck on these weird anti gov anti medical field anti whatever anti mask shit. Fuck still lol

Edit: and like I already stated, a lot of that video doesn’t apply to Canada. The vaccine is free. We get paid time off to get it. We get paid sick days if we need to. We have a great medical and social system. We don’t have a large undocumented resident issue who isn’t willing to be in the system, and your wealth status has no bearing on how you get the vaccine. So *a lot* of the people left who aren’t vaccinated are now the hold outs, and lots of them are the kind that will protest in Vancouver blocking streets, or like my uncle blames the entire pandemic on us vaccinated ones for going around and being social at hockey games.

Would you rather me not be willing to spread understandingness? Would you prefer i give a big fuck you to 20% of the population? What point exactly are you trying to prove. I’d be curious to see what you wrote before you went back and edited it

[white rocket]

I’d be curious to see what you wrote before you went back and edited it

My first post was "Mainstream media is basically the equivalent to the National Enquirer. Once you see it, you can't unsee it"

I later felt that this was a super generic statement and was not really useful to this discussion. Then I thought about that 'fuck you' post you shared and was like hmmmm. Interesting. But in a super amazing way. Like perhaps this person who had a certain view has now found some new info that may offer another side and perhaps change that view, if even just a tiny bit. Offer a different perspective. In an era of misinformation it's rewarding to see this occur.

I apologize if my short comment left it more up to interpretation. It wasn't meant as a shot, more of a compliment. I wasn't trying to single you out but your original comment stood out to me, so to see your most recent post I felt gratitude.

Yes, I agree that the U.S. is much different than Canada so lots of what Russell was saying does not apply to the average citizen here. Still though, it was nice to see what you took away from the video.

Would you rather me not be willing to spread understandingness? Would you prefer i give a big fuck you to 20% of the population? What point exactly are you trying to prove

Yes, definitely spread understandingness. No definitely don't say fuck you to 20% of the population.

I wasn't trying to prove a point, but more share my gratitude for willingness to accept new info.

[StylinRed]

28deaths over the long weekend, and ICU #s still went up!

[spoon.ek9]

normally holidays are chill in emergency. this past weekend was a shit show. way too many people coming into the department and ICU was full before that occurred. today was even worse somehow.

[JDMDreams]

Friday to Saturday: 603 new cases.
Saturday to Sunday: 634 new cases.
Sunday to Monday: 468 new cases.
Monday to Tuesday: 385 new cases.

I wonder what they are going to do about it? It doesn't really seem like cases are dropping plus I think the numbers will just go up from here after the gatherings, Halloween, remembrance Day, Christmas

[westopher]

The 7 day case average has dropped by 25% in the last 11 days. All this info is readily available so you don't have to rely on what it seems.

[Traum]

normally holidays are chill in emergency. this past weekend was a shit show. way too many people coming into the department and ICU was full before that occurred. today was even worse somehow.
Are those people coming in bcos of COVID or some other reasons?

[spoon.ek9]

I can't say for sure why everyone is in ICU (for sure some are covid). Emerg has been full of non-covid patients. This is exactly why we needed to keep the numbers down because shit happens and adding covid on top of things would make things unbearable.

I should also note, one hospital isn't indicative of what's going on at all hospitals. For example, on the island I've been speaking to a nurse who says they're literally spending every single day making sure they have enough room for all the covid patients.

[SkunkWorks]

US land border supposedly opening back up next month. Details are a bit sketchy but here's hoping it's legit.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/us-canada-border-reopen-1.6208838

The United States is planning to reopen its land border to Canadians next month, according to a U.S. congressman.

The long-awaited news came in a statement from Rep. Brian Higgins.

The New York Democrat has been one of the loudest critics in Washington of the continued border restrictions that have lasted for more than a year and a half.

He made the claim in a statement but offered no further details. He said further details would soon be announced by the U.S. administration.

"The sigh of relief coming from Northern Border communities following this announcement is so loud it can practically be heard on either end of the Peace Bridge," Higgins said in a statement, referring to the span that connects Buffalo, N.Y., to Fort Erie, Ont., and one of the busiest bridges between the two countries.

The move would come after Canada's recent reopening of its land border to U.S. travellers. The United States, however, has never completely ended recreational travel from Canada as it has allowed air travel from Canada since the beginning of the pandemic.

[JDMDreams]

Still waiting for details but can't wait to see videos of mAh rIgHts to go Murica without a vaccine :awwyeah::lawl::accepted: I thought this was a free county.

[SkunkWorks]

Still waiting for details but can't wait to see videos of mAh rIgHts to go Murica without a vaccine :awwyeah::lawl::accepted: I thought this was a free county.

It's ok you can stay home.

[Traum]

Land crossings are not going to require negative test results, so I think we can all count on some portion of travelers faking their vaccination status. There are also gonna be a good bunch of people trying to cross without the FDA / WHO-approved vaccines. FailFish

[Hehe]

Trader Joes! Here I come! Just in time for black Friday too! :fuckthatshit:

[68style]

^ can you pick me up a milk chocolate bar with hazelnuts? Light blue package <3

[mikemhg]

Land crossings are not going to require negative test results, so I think we can all count on some portion of travelers faking their vaccination status. There are also gonna be a good bunch of people trying to cross without the FDA / WHO-approved vaccines. FailFish

Where did you read this?

From my understanding, we'll apparently still require a negative PCR test prior to re-entry to Canada via land border.

If that's the case, you're pretty much fucked for a day trip down there.

Fucking ridiculous.

[lilaznviper]

if you use one to get into the USA, can't you just use the same one coming back in for the day trip? or get tested in canada, go for a day trip come back using that test you did in canada?

[StylinRed]

I imagine they'll make adjustments, maybe they'll get you to take one of those quick tests at the border, or make it pcr tests are good for X amount of days

Either way you're guaranteed that the crossings are going to be a clusterduck of wait times

Unlike air travel, for which proof of a negative COVID-19 test is required before boarding a flight to enter the U.S., no testing will be required to enter the U.S. by land or sea, provided the travellers meet the vaccination requirement, Higgins confirmed in a press conference on Wednesday.

Higgins also said he would be lobbying for tests not to be required to cross the border back into Canada. Currently, you need to provide a negative COVID-19 test to cross the border from the U.S. to Canada.

Ah so Canada only, Canada will prolly remove that requirement (they shouldn't imo but probably will)

[SSM_DC5]

if you use one to get into the USA, can't you just use the same one coming back in for the day trip? or get tested in canada, go for a day trip come back using that test you did in canada?

In the article above it states "If a traveller is fully vaccinated, there will be no requirement for them to show a negative COVID-19 test"
This is referring to entering the states.

[Bouncing Bettys]

In the article above it states "If a traveller is fully vaccinated, there will be no requirement for them to show a negative COVID-19 test"
This is referring to entering the states.
Why shouldn't everyone, regardless of vaccine status, be made to show a negative test result for entry? The fully vaccinated can still have and spread covid, only perhaps less obviously, since their symptoms are less severe.

[Hondaracer]

RS - omg the states are so gross! Trump ruined everything! Conservative bastards!!!

RS - omg please please please can I line up for 5 hours and get a PCR test to save $5 on gas and buy a different flavoured mixed nuts

:troll: