[westopher]

2 dudes came into the restaurant yesterday and said “we’re here from Toronto, what’s the best nightclub around here?”
But yeah, those of us that haven’t left BC in a year and haven’t seen our friends or family for nearly 3 months need to “do more”
I guess a lockdown in other provinces means just hop on a plane with your buddies and go do whatever the fuck you want somewhere else. Fucking joke.

[JDMDreams]

^ cuz they said they can't legally close borders. And they aren't willing to put mandatory 14 day quarantine for ppl coming in. So brace your butt cheeks for dem foreign strains. Once again they will regret this do nothing everything is fine there's a vaccine now attitude. O WAIT what vaccine? Last time I checked we ain't getting any and murica is doing way better than us.

[underscore]

Not legally enforceable as in there's a law preventing it, or as in the people who are supposed to enforce it are too useless to actually do it?

[Hondaracer]

Orange man did much more than Turd in terms of getting Vaccines. Well done Turd.

Bonnie telling people to “do more” like anyone that needs to “do more” actually watches the briefings lol

[westopher]

Orange man didn’t create the Pfizer production facility in US. That’s been there since 1918.
It’s just a product of circumstance.

[SkinnyPupp]

Also orange man had no plans for distribution, and no stockpile despite claims of having them. Biden's team had to start from scratch which makes it even more mind blowing that they think they can get 300m vaccinated by summer.

[pastarocket]

-listened to Horgan's speech this afternoon about Covid in B.C.


"vast majority of British Columbians have made sacrifices for the past 12 months".

"We are asking British Columbians, to dig deeper, to find that extra gear".

"speaking to a small group of British Columbians who think they are above everyone else" "Those people who would fly to other jurisdictions to get the vaccine" "Unacceptable".

"Un-Canadian. -jumping the line for Covid because they have the means to do so".


"If you are coming to BC for non-essential travel, you better behave appropriately, you better abide by the rules, or we will come down on you like a tonne of bricks".


One reporter asked Horgan "What do you mean by a tonne of bricks? ". :lawl:

Horgan replied to this reporter's question about what he means by a "tonne of bricks" : "It's the activities for example at a ski hill. People who are looking for other activities, people looking for a party, a night club".

People who looks for these kinds of activities would receive punishment to the full extent of the law as per Horgan.

[Hondaracer]

Sure you will Johnny.

[westopher]

Fullest extent of the law = $2500 fine 4x for holding private parties that probably net you 10k each time.
Come down on you like a pound of feathers.

[pastarocket]

Fullest extent of the law = $2500 fine 4x for holding private parties that probably net you 10k each time.
Come down on you like a pound of feathers.

Not really.

A $2500 fine for the guy who turned his condo into a nightclub. LUL


https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/vancouver-man-makeshift-nightclub-apartment

Police said they are now are working with Crown counsel to obtain court-ordered conditions that will prohibit the apartment owner from hosting large parties.

Court order conditions from our court system. If that idiot dares to hold another party in his condo again, the cops will arrest him for violating a court order. He wins himself one night or more in jail and a greater chance of getting Covid from anyone else inside jail.

If that idiot has more than three brain cells, he should take court-ordered conditions very seriously.

[westopher]

Lol. Imagine breaking the law 4x then having a court order against you saying you can’t break the law again. Not exactly harsh in my eyes.
“Hey we know you have 4 DUIs but we have this court order saying you’re not allowed another one”
1st offence for serving liquor to a minor in B.C. $7500-10000
2nd offence $25000
Why not grade them like that? Should be simple.
First offence $2500
Second offence $50000

[pastarocket]

Lol. Imagine breaking the law 4x then having a court order against you saying you can’t break the law again. Not exactly harsh in my eyes.
“Hey we know you have 4 DUIs but we have this court order saying you’re not allowed another one”


I asked a lawyer friend about the legal ramifications of breaking a court order.

She said that failure to comply with a court order is contempt of court. Contempt of court under our criminal justice system means that the person committing a violation gets jail time.

There is no "get out of jail card" from the Monopoly board game if that idiot breaks a court order.

[westopher]

I understand that, but 4x is a far cry past the realm of reasonable chances not to mention the waste of time with necessitating a court order for that.

[pastarocket]

I understand that, but 4x is a far cry past the realm of reasonable chances.

I agree with you westopher. Our criminal justice system is soft. -far too lenient.

Then you have the extreme criminal "justice system" in countries with totalitarian governments like China where cops will arrest anyone not wearing a mask. Personal rights and freedoms? What's that? :lawl:

The cops would drag those Covidiots to jail in a heartbeat. Forget about paying a fine in order to avoid criminal charges for not wearing a mask in China.

[Hondaracer]

The guy had a door man at his “club” he’s probably charging for entry and booze.

You think a night in jail is a deterrent if the guys made 30k in the last month? Lol I think your take on the “seriousness” of his potential punishments are laughable. The guy is probably chuckling seeing the shit go through the news

We all better cower in our homes and “do our part” while buddy is running a private nightclub in his home for the amazingly harsh punishment of $2500 lol.. I bet some actual clubs wish they could operate so inexpensively m

[pastarocket]

The guy had a door man at his “club” he’s probably charging for entry and booze.

You think a night in jail is a deterrent if the guys made 30k in the last month? Lol I think your take on the “seriousness” of his potential punishments are laughable. The guy is probably chuckling seeing the shit go through the news

We all better cower in our homes and “do our part” while buddy is running a private nightclub in his home for the amazingly harsh punishment of $2500 lol.. I bet some actual clubs wish they could operate so inexpensively m


The story with this condo night club owner gets better. Apparently, the owner calls his club "Granny's". LUL

https://vancouversun.com/news/owner-of-alleged-telus-garden-party-palace-files-complaint-against-vancouver-police

The owner of a Downtown Vancouver penthouse apartment that police say has been converted into a makeshift nightclub in violation of provincial COVID-19 social gathering restrictions has filed a complaint against the Vancouver police.

Mohammad Movassaghi says VPD officers damaged his property when they paid a visit to his luxury condo inside Telus Garden Residences, at 777 Richards St., on Saturday night.

Movassaghi, a former wealth manager, denies his home has become some sort of party palace and claims he was just watching UFC with a few neighbours when officers started banging on his door around 10:30 p.m.

“One of the officers attempted to film inside my unit through the peephole,” Movassaghi said in a complaint to the Office of the Police Complaint Commissioner. “Officers also blocked the fire exit door and illegally blocked and occupied the fire exit hallway for over one hour.”

The VPD believe the 1,800-square-foot, three level penthouse suite in the Telus Garden, which Movassaghi purchased in November for nearly $3 million, has been converted into a “makeshift nightclub” and has been the site of numerous parties over the past month.

The makeshift club at Telus Garden is reportedly called Granny’s, and according to a person with knowledge of the events being held inside the penthouse, party invitations have been regularly delivered to invited guests using the encrypted messaging app Telegram.

An invitation to Granny’s New Year’s Party, obtained by Postmedia News, advertised exotic dancers, DJs, light shows, servers and a full bar.

Movassaghi said he knows nothing about the invitations or the alleged makeshift nightclub, but he did note that his girlfriend’s nickname is Granny.

[underscore]

Sending the liquor board after him will probably be faster. Or the zoning bylaw people.

[StylinRed]

Just Google his name, he's always been a pos it sounds like

https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/enforcement-notice-hearing-iiroc-begins-disciplinary-action-against-former-vancouver-investment-advisor-mohammad-movassaghi-857154109.html

https://www.wealthprofessional.ca/news/industry-news/rookie-advisor-fined-35000-blames-boss-for-violations/324605

[CivicBlues]

The story with this condo night club owner gets better. Apparently, the owner calls his club "Granny's". LUL

https://vancouversun.com/news/owner-of-alleged-telus-garden-party-palace-files-complaint-against-vancouver-police


Just Google his name, he's always been a pos it sounds like

https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/enforcement-notice-hearing-iiroc-begins-disciplinary-action-against-former-vancouver-investment-advisor-mohammad-movassaghi-857154109.html

https://www.wealthprofessional.ca/news/industry-news/rookie-advisor-fined-35000-blames-boss-for-violations/324605

I can see the unkempt chest hair, gold chains and smell the axe body spray just reading these articles.

[Ch28]

I understand that, but 4x is a far cry past the realm of reasonable chances not to mention the waste of time with necessitating a court order for that.

Welcome to Canada's pathetic court system. I'm not calling for dictatorship style executions but it's just way too relaxed here.

All you need to do is look at how the government is handling this pandemic.

[Obsideon]

To be devil's advocate you could technically play off the first offense as "oh my bad I was living under a rock the last 10 months and didn't know about the rules."
Ok, fine slap him $2500 ... but 4x?!?!? ... is fucking ridiculous ... by the 2nd offense it should have been at least $25,000. I mean the dude owns a $3m condo that he doesn't mind to get trampled on and drinks/puke everywhere. What's another $25k?
Cover fee and coat check alone for 100 people would have covered the fine...
:considered:

[6793026]

It's tough on the police.
1) no warrant
2) you can't trespass onto property esp. into a condo / Penthouse.

The time and effort for one to get a warrant has to have justify cause, and the time and effort and red tape to get is nightmare.
Once you do get it.. OH sorry, the unit is #208 and not #209... you're shit out of luck.

So yeah... if someone won't buzz the cop into the building.. the cop has no way to go in and provide a ticket to the owner.. let alone the Penthouse which has private entrance + elevator.

[Hondaracer]

Frankly as it should be.

I’m somewhat torn on this because obviously the guys a POS, completely in the wrong, skirting the health orders etc.

But in the other hand, the govt. shouldn’t have a say in what’s going on within your home period. To simply knock on a door because you’re assuming they are violating the health orders? Ehhhhh...

Get a warrant and go back if it’s that concerning but getting into peoples business in their private homes? I dunno..I’d say he can do whatever he wants until people leave or come out the door into the hall then you can ticket etc.

[StylinRed]

In Australia they jailed ppl for continued flouting of covid safety rules, sigh... if only

[westopher]

If it’s a law, it doesn’t matter if its on your property. You can’t beat the fuck out of a houseguest or smoke crack in your house either. I understand laws =/= necessarily to health orders, but bylaw is basically the same. You don’t have immunity because it’s your property.

[Obsideon]

Couldn't they even be reported for noise disturbance?

[twitchyzero]

some saudi brat?

[CivicBlues]

some saudi brat?

Movassaghi is an Iranian name

[Manic!]

Who said doug ford could count.

https://twitter.com/newstalk1010/status/1354804662235328513?s=21

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[StylinRed]

some saudi brat?

Movassaghi is an Iranian name

He has an old twitter photo of himself up if u Google his name, if u guys r curious :lol

[mikemhg]

Has anyone heard about the Alberta loop hole for international travel?

Someone was telling me that folks are flying into Alberta, and back to BC in order to skirt 2 week quarantine rules?

Is this actually happening? I thought you'd be flagged when returning from an international flight regardless of province?

[StylinRed]

I think it's that Alberta only requires a 2 day quarantine or something, so ppl fly back into AB and either spend two days in Alberta or quarantine in BC, something like that

Blame it on AB govt

[punkwax]

^or, you know, you could blame it on the people abusing these loopholes.

[pastarocket]

Is this Trudeau's version of bringing the hammer down to control the spread of Covid?

What are your thoughts on these new measures that Trudeau announced this morning?

https://globalnews.ca/news/7607191/covid-canada-international-travel-restrictions/

He said that Air Canada, WestJet, Sunwing, and Air Transat have all agreed to cancel air services to “all Caribbean destinations and Mexico,” starting Sunday. The cancellations will continue until April 30, Trudeau added.

On top of flight cancellations, beginning next week, all international flights will only be allowed to land at four airports; those in Vancouver, Toronto, Montreal, and Calgary.

They will be making arrangements with their customers who are currently on a trip in these regions to organize their return flights,” he said.

Trudeau also announced a new mandatory PCR testing requirement at airports for people returning to Canada. He said that while these travellers wait for this COVID-19 test result, they’ll be forced to quarantine for up to three days at a designated hotel – on their own dime.

Trudeau added that this “expected to be more than $2000.”

“Those with negative test results will then be able to quarantine at home under significantly increased surveillance and enforcement,” Trudeau said.

“Those with positive tests will be immediately required to quarantine in designated government facilities to make sure they’re not carrying variants of potential concern.”

[twitchyzero]

Canada will begin requiring non-essential travellers to show a negative test before entry at the land border with the U.S.

huh there's non-essential travel through land ports?

[GLOW]

does that mean americans saying they're cutting through to go to alaska?

[pastarocket]

does that mean americans saying they're cutting through to go to alaska?

The Yankees still need to show proof of a negative result from a PCR test at all land border crossings:

In addition to the measures announced Friday, Trudeau said all non-essential travellers will also have to show proof of a negative PCR test at the Canada-U.S. land border.

“And we’re working to stand up additional testing requirements for land travel,” the prime minister added.

[CivicBlues]

Data is out and J&J's one-shot vaccine has 66% efficacy - which, although not as high as the mRNA ones, is an order of magnitude easier to handle and distribute. Plus at 66% it's still about as high as your annual Flu vaccine. Plus they'll be exploring results of a two-shot regimen which will likely bump up the efficacy rate.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/johnson-johnson-covid-vaccine-trial-1.5893009

I'd say give this to everyone under 65 to help drive down transmission. We need to get rolling on this IMO

[twitchyzero]

we're ranked 61 out of 98 for having our shit together :concentrate:

https://interactives.lowyinstitute.org/features/covid-performance/

new zealand and vietnam leading the list

brazil and usa bottom of barrel dumpster fires

[westopher]

Crazy that Sweden and Germany are above Canada, considering the death rates.

[Ch28]

I think it speaks volumes to see so many people online giving Trudeau backlash for the $2000 cost for mandatory quarantine and testing.

The entire point is to make it expensive to deter people from doing non-essential travel!

[SumAznGuy]

I think it speaks volumes to see so many people online giving Trudeau backlash for the $2000 cost for mandatory quarantine and testing.

The entire point is to make it expensive to deter people from doing non-essential travel!

because the general population is that dumb.

[pastarocket]

Dr. Henry's Covid briefing for today:

514 new cases
66,179 total cases
5 deaths

74 people in ICU

Vaccine updates: Moderna vaccine supply is reduced by 20 percent for next week in BC due to difficulties at Moderna's processing plant.

My goodness. Dr. Henry was trying it hard to hold it together during today's briefing. Her voice was wavering throughout her update. She looked like she wanted to cry. You can hear the grief and stress in her voice.

[Hondaracer]

It’s a tough thing doing your job

[westopher]

The vaccine situation is not looking good, but who’s surprised?

[westopher]

It’s a tough thing doing your job
Jobs come with varying degrees of pressure. She’s not hammering nails or making burgers.

[Hondaracer]

The lack of procurement of vaccines by the government. Just gonna turn into “yea well this Johnson and Johnson knock off from China is 42% effective so just stick it in your arm and shut up cause that’s the best we got”

:okay:

[pastarocket]

Jobs come with varying degrees of pressure. She’s not hammering nails or making burgers.


You also have a bunch of idiots who sent the doc death threats last year.

I can't imagine working a job that involves 1) difficult work to protect the public against a nasty super virus, 2) stressful work because you are under media and public scrutiny and 3) a bunch of Covidiots who threaten your life.

It is no wonder that sometimes you hear Dr. Henry asking British Columbians to be "kind and compassionate" to each other during her Covid briefings.

It is a tough job, that's for sure! Looking over your shoulder because a bunch of idiots want to kill you.

-article from September 2020:


VANCOUVER -- The death threats against B.C. provincial health officer Dr. Bonnie Henry prompted a police response, officials confirmed Wednesday.

Henry discussed the threats while addressing the Union of B.C. Municipalities on Tuesday, as well as the abusive messages and phone calls her office has received during the COVID-19 pandemic.

"We become a target," Henry said. "I've had to have security in my house. I've had death threats."

[pastarocket]

double post. my bad. :troll:

[StylinRed]

He said that Air Canada, WestJet, Sunwing, and Air Transat have all agreed to cancel air services to “all Caribbean destinations and Mexico,” starting Sunday. The cancellations will continue until April 30, Trudeau added.

On top of flight cancellations, beginning next week, all international flights will only be allowed to land at four airports; those in Vancouver, Toronto, Montreal, and Calgary.


So vacation in South America/Hawaii instead... hmm wut

[CivicBlues]

Most of the people going to the all-inclusives in Mexico/Caribbean are not going to suddenly change plans and try and navigate their way around Bogota or Santiago for a vacation (there's not many non-stop flights to SA from Canada anyways). Low effort vacation in Gringolandia is what they're after and shutting that down is low hanging fruit. Plus Hawaii requires a negative COVID test before going and they'll have to self-isolate when coming back here.

Plus Dr. Henry hinted there are talks between the Feds and the US to further restrict flights in the coming days.

[twitchyzero]

I think it speaks volumes to see so many people online giving Trudeau backlash for the $2000 cost for mandatory quarantine and testing.

The entire point is to make it expensive to deter people from doing non-essential travel!

i can see the argument from both sides

government already dishing out so much for vaccines and EI, why should they have another source of burden

then there's people that really need to travel: already have to take time off their meager paying jobs to go see family that's on their deathbed overseas then that $2000 will then really sting...also doesnt help to hear about other countries that have free quarantine hotels/care packages

instead of the recovery grant to tourism businesses, is directing it to quarantine hotels an option?

[JDMDreams]

Honestly if you can afford to travel at this time $2000 is peanuts. The flights and hotel at minimum will cost you that much anyways. At the end of the day you're risking your life and other people's lives for your benefit. I heard australia is min $3000 per person forced quarantine additional $1000 per adult and I think $500 per child. This is totally fair, you want the benefit of traveling, pay the price. Gotta pay to play. The whole point of this is we fucked up with the honor system. If we had hard tracking and more enforcement in place we wouldn't be where we are now.

[StylinRed]

Honestly if you can afford to travel at this time $2000 is peanuts. The flights and hotel at minimum will cost you that much anyways. At the end of the day you're risking your life and other people's lives for your benefit. I heard australia is min $3000 per person forced quarantine additional $1000 per adult and I think $500 per child. This is totally fair, you want the benefit of traveling, pay the price. Gotta pay to play. The whole point of this is we fucked up with the honor system. If we had hard tracking and more enforcement in place we wouldn't be where we are now.

Australia's fees are for aussie returning home who didn't return by the deadline, I don't believe they're allowing international travellers in yet (aside from work competition exceptions) nor are they allowing their citizens to holiday

[StylinRed]

i can see the argument from both sides

government already dishing out so much for vaccines and EI, why should they have another source of burden

then there's people that really need to travel: already have to take time off their meager paying jobs to go see family that's on their deathbed overseas then that $2000 will then really sting...also doesnt help to hear about other countries that have free quarantine hotels/care packages

instead of the recovery grant to tourism businesses, is directing it to quarantine hotels an option?

Do these new rules apply to essential travel? (visiting dying/dead relatives is essential) I thought this was just for non essential

[mikemhg]

That's bullshit if you support $2K for a 3-day quarantine.

You're literally now creating a caste system for traveling, which I totally disagree with. If you think an additional $2K per person is peanuts to the standard traveler, you're way out of touch.

Those who have the money can scoff at the $2K and go on their vacation, meanwhile the standard person gets fucked. How is that fair?

Ban all incoming international flights (unless approved via some type of process for essential travel), and make it fair for all citizens.

I fundamentally disagree with this approach, cost-wise.

[cafe22]

Anyone have a list of hotels participating in new travel order? It will be interesting to see how they can accommodate return of travellers after CNY.

[twitchyzero]

Ban all incoming international flights (unless approved via some type of process for essential travel), and make it fair for all citizens.

I fundamentally disagree with this approach, cost-wise.

no different than a speeding/red light ticket/15% foreign homeowner tax

they 'discourage' it but probably want a way so airlines (already on lifeline) wont all go bankrupt tomorrow

[JDMDreams]

^^ yea how's it not fair, at the end of the day it's the person's choice to travel or not. If they don't want to quarantine or can't afford to quarantine, too bad don't travel then.

[underscore]

Is it potentially to discourage traveling for a vacation while still allowing people to travel for business purposes? Since the company would take the expense.

[Hondaracer]

Went to a restaurant tonight (I won’t name it as I love this restaurant and I’ll cut it some slack) however, if 1 person dining tonight had covid pretty sure we’ve all got it...lol..

Like, 600 sq ft dining area with maybe 50 people dining? Felt basically full non-covid capacity almost. Also two groups of 6 who were obviously 1 group of 12 celebrating a birthday apart but together. (On top of that we sang happy birthday as a restaurant to them lol..Had an amazing meal and great date night but yea..that was kinda fucked lol..

c'est la vie

[RiceIntegraRS]

^now you got me thinking what restaurant.............

[westopher]

Also curious. We have poopooed lots of people trying to "sneak" a group of people in as multiple tables. It's pretty frustrating hearing of restaurants risking an entire industry right now with their bullshit behaviour, and there's lots of them doing it.
Most of them though are trash restaurants, but there's a few quality places I've seen do it.
If you are willing to risk peoples health during this time however, I seriously question your food handling and cleaning practices, as clearly no fucks are given about the well being of guests and staff in these instances.

[Mr.Money]

you mean kitchen staff not wearing masks cause "its already hot back here".

[Hondaracer]

Lol! Buddy had another TWO parties this weekend in his makeshift club

https://www.citynews1130.com/2021/01/31/vancouver-police-arrest-penthouse-party-host-fine-77-guests/

[westopher]

Getting ever so slightly closer to stopping one guy with the “ton of bricks” approach. Lol

[TouringTeg]

Ha just came to post the article and video from global. What an upstanding citizen.

https://globalnews.ca/news/7610670/vancouver-police-detained-telus-gardens/

[EvoFire]

I've wondered aloud once before...

The city's finances are in the shitter, and these social distancing fines are golden eggs for them to claw some back from idiots, why aren't they taking advantage of it some more? I don't think that guy running the stupid illegal night club is hurting, he probably made more than that in half a night.

[GLOW]

I've wondered aloud once before...

The city's finances are in the shitter, and these social distancing fines are golden eggs for them to claw some back from idiots, why aren't they taking advantage of it some more? I don't think that guy running the stupid illegal night club is hurting, he probably made more than that in half a night.

b/c soft?

https://azcdn.pioneer.pgsitecore.com/en-us/-/media/Charmin/Images/Products/update2020/soft%20mega%20roll/SoftMega_PDP.jpg?v=1-202009251631

[pastarocket]

Getting ever so slightly closer to stopping one guy with the “ton of bricks” approach. Lol

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/vancouver-party-fines-arrest-1.5895453

I wonder if these penalties from potential criminal charges for the penthouse owner would be the "tonne of bricks". :considered:


Public Safety Minister Mike Farnworth said he was pleased to see enforcement against “idiots who think they can flout the rules and the laws.”

“The fines levied by the police may just be the start of the problems they are facing,” he said.

“There could potentially be charges under the criminal code, for example, they may (face) additional fines (for violating) health orders, where the penalties can run up to $10,000 and one year in jail.”

Farnworth said the venue operators could also face penalties for operating a venue without a liquor licence.

[spoon.ek9]

First month of 2021 is in the books. Out of curiousity, I did the math and turns out I worked 43 hours of OT :lol

Things are under control though, just a lot of sick calls from staff.

[GLOW]

i don't recall from the article but i was talking about that couple that snuck off to get vaccines & got a slap on the wrist fine...since they got their 1st shot...is the gov't going to let them get their 2nd shot in order not to waste the 1st shot?

[whitev70r]

Nope, I heard on news that they are not letting couple get 2nd dose. They are blacklisted.

[winson604]

Nope, I heard on news that they are not letting couple get 2nd dose. They are blacklisted.

I don't believe they're blacklisted at least not locally. They will receive their 2nd dose in BC where they reside but will have to wait like everyone else for their turn. By the time they get it it'll be outside the recommended time after the 1st shot though. I wonder what their plan was originally to get the 2nd shot anyway?

[Mikoyan]

I don't believe they're blacklisted at least not locally. They will receive their 2nd dose in BC where they reside but will have to wait like everyone else for their turn. By the time they get it it'll be outside the recommended time after the 1st shot though. I wonder what their plan was originally to get the 2nd shot anyway?

Yukon stayed the fine I read. They're being summoned with a court date and appearance in person.

Ha just came to post the article and video from global. What an upstanding citizen.

https://globalnews.ca/news/7610670/vancouver-police-detained-telus-gardens/

He already was fined by the insurance association. His hearing with the mutual fund dealer association was just delayed to March.

https://mfda.ca/news-release/adjourn201925mm/

[StylinRed]

I don't believe they're blacklisted at least not locally. They will receive their 2nd dose in BC where they reside but will have to wait like everyone else for their turn. By the time they get it it'll be outside the recommended time after the 1st shot though. I wonder what their plan was originally to get the 2nd shot anyway?

Maybe they were going to dress up as homeless ppl and steal some vaccines for the homeless

[SumAznGuy]

Ha just came to post the article and video from global. What an upstanding citizen.

https://globalnews.ca/news/7610670/vancouver-police-detained-telus-gardens/

Love how at the 30 second mark, you see that girl with her cell phone out videoing the police and yelling come back here come back here.

Seriously, maybe ppl need to video her and not block out her face.

[Mikoyan]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/01/taiwan-waives-covid-quarantine-fine-for-man-who-was-kidnapped
Lol.

A Taiwanese man penalised for breaching Covid quarantine regulations has had his fine revoked after it emerged he had been kidnapped by debt collectors.

The man, whose surname is Chen, returned from Hong Kong in late October and began his 14 days of mandatory home quarantine at a friend’s home in Nantou county. The next day, however, men identified as debt collectors arrived at the house and mistook Chen for his friend, who owed them money.

The justice ministry said Chen’s explanation had been investigated and confirmed, and that his fine had been revoked because he had been forced to leave quarantine against his will.

“The violation of the quarantine regulations was not caused by his own intentional or negligent behaviour,” said Hu Tianci, a spokesman for the Changhua branch of the administrative enforcement agency.

“According to the law such behaviour should not be punished and should be referred to the health unit for withdrawal.”

It is the first time a Taiwanese government fine for a quarantine breach has been reversed.

[pastarocket]

Dr. Henry's Covid briefing for this past weekend:

1158 new cases (408, 473, 277)

21 deaths

79 people in ICU.


Bad, bad news: 14 cases of the UK variant are in BC. 4 cases of the South African variant are here. :heckno:

In particular, one individual with the UK variant was part of an exposure to a school in the Fraser Valley Health region (Maple Ridge).

A PCR test, in addition to the rapid test is performed on that individual, as the PCR test gives more accurate results than the rapid test.

Dr. Bonnie mentioned that the tests performed on students, so far, have not shown any Covid variants.

As for the Superbowl celebrations this weekend, Chinese New Year (starting on February 12th), and Family Day on February 15th, Dr. Bonnie is asking people to celebrate in small groups within your own household. Keep their bubbles small.

[twitchyzero]

i believe all UK variant cases are epilinked to known travel history
the south africa one is spreading in the community without clear tracing

[Hondaracer]

So lowest numbers since Oct and current orders are set to expire on the 5th

If we’re just gonna get strung along month to month with this false hope of “oh now maybe I can go out for dinner with a friend” just come out and say that it’s not changing until X amount of people are vaccinated etc. This stringing people along on false hope BS is tired.

[SkinnyPupp]

USA now has more vaccinated people than active Covid cases (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-01/u-s-hits-milestone-in-pandemic-with-more-vaccinated-than-cases)

[BIC_BAWS]

Love how at the 30 second mark, you see that girl with her cell phone out videoing the police and yelling come back here come back here.

Seriously, maybe ppl need to video her and not block out her face.

LOL karen in the making.. Her outfit really accentuates what's not there EleGiggle

[pastarocket]

Trudeau is expected to announce an agreement today that would see Covid vaccines made in Canada.

Novavax vaccine production in Montreal begins in late July.

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/federal-government-signs-deal-to-make-novavax-covid-vaccine-at-montreal-facility-still-being-built

The government is expected to announce that Novavax will produce its COVID-19 vaccine at a still under construction facility in Montreal. A government source speaking on background, revealed the company has signed a memorandum of understanding to use the National Research Council’s facility and could begin producing vaccines in late July.

Novavax has been working on its vaccine since the beginning of the pandemic. The company already has an order to supply Canada with 52 million doses of its vaccine and is now seeking regulatory approval from Health Canada.

The vaccine requires two doses, but can be stored in normal fridges and isn’t as delicate as other shots on the market.

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[Hondaracer]

Funny how that “extensive portfolio of vaccines” has turned into, rushing to produce a non-approved vaccine in a factory that isn’t even built yet..

[pastarocket]

Funny how that “extensive portfolio of vaccines” has turned into, rushing to produce a non-approved vaccine in a factory that isn’t even built yet..


It is also funny how Pfizer chooses to upgrade its manufacturing plants in Europe this year rather than last year during a time when pharmaceutical firms were doing extensive work to create a Covid vaccine.

Pfizer could not do the plant upgrade last year?

It is easy to just blame the government for the shortage of vaccine when part of that blame also falls on pharmaceutical firms like Pfizer.

I do not believe for a minute that Pfizer’s management team could not have made a decision to do their plant upgrade in Europe at an earlier time last year.

I call bullshit on Pfizer. :suspicious:

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[GLOW]

how's the south african variant fare up against vaccines?

[SumAznGuy]

It is also funny how Pfizer chooses to upgrade its manufacturing plants in Europe this year rather than last year during a time when pharmaceutical firms were doing extensive work to create a Covid vaccine.

Pfizer could not do the plant upgrade last year?

It is easy to just blame the government for the shortage of vaccine when part of that blame also falls on pharmaceutical firms like Pfizer.

I do not believe for a minute that Pfizer’s management team could not have made a decision to do their plant upgrade in Europe at an earlier time last year.

I call bullshit on Pfizer. :suspicious:

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It's not just Pfizer, Moderna is also falling short on their vaccines, just not being talked about as much on the news.

That being said, 7+ billion people in the world. People should have realized that's a lot of doses of vaccines even for 5 or 6 different vaccines especially if they require 2 doses and the stuff governments are saying doesn't add up.

[pastarocket]

how's the south african variant fare up against vaccines?


Certain vaccines are not as effective against the South African variant.

For example, Novavax released it vaccine clinical test trial results:

https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210131/vaccine-not-as-effective-against-south-african-variant

Novavax is one of the companies developing a COVID-19 vaccine under the government’s Operation Warp Speed. It’s vaccine is still in clinical trials and has not received emergency use authorization from the FDA.

In a Thursday news release, the company said its vaccine is 95.6% effective against the original coronavirus that swept the globe and 89.3% effective against the variant detected late last year in the United Kingdom.

But the Novavax vaccine was less effective against the South African vaccine. It only showed 60% effectiveness in study participants without HIV and 49.4% when HIV-positive participants were included in the study.

Still, that’s good news, vaccine scientists said.

“The 60% reduced risk against COVID-19 illness in vaccinated individuals in South Africans underscores the value of this vaccine to prevent illness from the highly worrisome variant currently circulating in South Africa, and which is spreading globally,” Shabir Maddi, principal investigator in the Novavax COVID-19 vaccine trial in South Africa, said.

[twitchyzero]

by the time novavax plant is done building there's probably another new strain
htf did the government not foresee shortages esp with how hard usa has been hit..and they already forgot about the toilet paper and masks last year?

[pastarocket]

by the time novavax plant is done building there's probably another new strain
htf did the government not foresee shortages esp with how hard usa has been hit..and they already forgot about the toilet paper and masks last year?


We have a prime minister who I think is not exactly a smart cookie. Well, he is smart compared to former POTUS Orange Julius. :lawl:

[SumAznGuy]

We have a prime minister who I think is not exactly a smart cookie. Well, he is smart compared to former POTUS Orange Julius. :lawl:

LOL

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/8/8c/Donald_Trump_%28Family_Guy%29.png/revision/latest?cb=20200122095917

[Hondaracer]

Is he? Because orange man left his country In a position with 8%+ of the country is vaccinated with a million plus vaccines getting administered every day

Where as Turd basically has nothing to say anymore regarding his pathetic roll-out.

As much as people have their little hatred for trump, Biden has been in office for what, a week? Trump obviously had plans in motion for their vaccine it wasn’t like Biden came in and all of a sudden 29 million people got vaccinated. I get that Pfizer has their production facility in the states etc. But that’s the benefit of being a country like the states sometimes..

[pastarocket]

Is he? Because orange man left his country In a position with 8%+ of the country is vaccinated with a million plus vaccines getting administered every day

Where as Turd basically has nothing to say anymore regarding his pathetic roll-out.

As much as people have their little hatred for trump, Biden has been in office for what, a week? Trump obviously had plans in motion for their vaccine it wasn’t like Biden came in and all of a sudden 29 million people got vaccinated. I get that Pfizer has their production facility in the states etc. But that’s the benefit of being a country like the states sometimes..


I disagree. Cheeto had NO vaccine distribution plans in place during his time in office. That evil scumbag only cared about winning a second term as POTUS.

The Biden administration confirms that Trump did not give them a vaccine distribution plan because there was NO PLAN.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/trump-administration-had-no-covid-19-vaccine-distribution-plan-biden-s-chief-of-staff-says-1.5279984

WASHINGTON -- There was no distribution plan for the coronavirus vaccine set up by the Trump administration as the virus raged in its last months in office, new President Joe Biden's chief of staff, Ron Klain, said on Sunday.

"The process to distribute the vaccine, particularly outside of nursing homes and hospitals out into the community as a whole, did not really exist when we came into the White House," Klain said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

Cheeto, the stable genius former president. :lawl:

[Mikoyan]

Well that escalated quickly.

New British strain mutation. Some cases with British varient now have the South African spike protein mutation.

So faster spreading and more vaccine resistant.o

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/experts-say-coronavirus-mutation-has-spontaneously-occured-in-u-k-variant-1.5292225

Experts say coronavirus mutation has spontaneously occured in U.K. variant

LONDON -- The coronavirus mutation "of most concern" that could impact vaccine efficacy has occurred spontaneously in the U.K. variant, a professor of outbreak medicine who is part of a panel that advises the British government said on Tuesday.

The E484K mutation, which occurs on the spike protein of the virus, is the same change as has been seen in the South African and Brazilian variants that have caused international concern.

Several laboratory studies have found that vaccines and antibody therapy are less effective against the South African variant.

[Hondaracer]

I disagree. Cheeto had NO vaccine distribution plans in place during his time in office. That evil scumbag only cared about winning a second term as POTUS.

The Biden administration confirms that Trump did not give them a vaccine distribution plan because there was NO PLAN.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/trump-administration-had-no-covid-19-vaccine-distribution-plan-biden-s-chief-of-staff-says-1.5279984

WASHINGTON -- There was no distribution plan for the coronavirus vaccine set up by the Trump administration as the virus raged in its last months in office, new President Joe Biden's chief of staff, Ron Klain, said on Sunday.

"The process to distribute the vaccine, particularly outside of nursing homes and hospitals out into the community as a whole, did not really exist when we came into the White House," Klain said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

Cheeto, the stable genius former president. :lawl:

You don’t enable a plan and get 29 million people vaccinated in 2 weeks from nothing.

[Hakkaboy]

You don’t enable a plan and get 29 million people vaccinated in 2 weeks from nothing.

A broken clock is right twice a day.

[pastarocket]

Well that escalated quickly.

New British strain mutation. Some cases with British varient now have the South African spike protein mutation.

So faster spreading and more vaccine resistant.o

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/experts-say-coronavirus-mutation-has-spontaneously-occured-in-u-k-variant-1.5292225

Experts say coronavirus mutation has spontaneously occured in U.K. variant

LONDON -- The coronavirus mutation "of most concern" that could impact vaccine efficacy has occurred spontaneously in the U.K. variant, a professor of outbreak medicine who is part of a panel that advises the British government said on Tuesday.

The E484K mutation, which occurs on the spike protein of the virus, is the same change as has been seen in the South African and Brazilian variants that have caused international concern.

Several laboratory studies have found that vaccines and antibody therapy are less effective against the South African variant.


That is terrible news. :facepalm:

Work from home for me until the end of 2021? :considered:

[Ch28]

Ottawa has no plans to force land travellers to quarantine in hotels — at least not yet (https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/government-travel-rules-hotel-quarantine-land-border-snowbirds-1.5897643)

https://i.imgur.com/eX9Hfye.gif

[edit] I guess COVID and their variants only travel by air :seriously:

[The Producer]

Work from home for me until the end of 2021? :considered:

keep enjoying the lotto win I guess

not sure what anybody working from home, pulling their normal salary has to complain about.

i'd trade for that kind of financial security in a heartbeat :seriously:

[320icar]

keep enjoying the lotto win I guess

not sure what anybody working from home, pulling their normal salary has to complain about.

i'd trade for that kind of financial security in a heartbeat :seriously:

I’d kill for the safety of staying home all day. I do understand how lucky I am that I haven’t missed a single paycheque, but it doesn’t come without the risk of seeing 6000 people a day.

Bugs the shit out of me when some people complain

[pastarocket]

I’d kill for the safety of staying home all day. I do understand how lucky I am that I haven’t missed a single paycheque, but it doesn’t come without the risk of seeing 6000 people a day.

Bugs the shit out of me when some people complain


One of my relatives works in the film industry as a lighting technician. That relative and in general his colleagues are super happy to be working again now that TV series and film work is happening in BC.

He talks about the strict Covid protocols such as one hairdresser/make up artist per cast member, if possible based on budget, masks for all film crew, and no carpooling to filming locations.

No more catering buffets though. Each employee who works the film/TV set can get an unlimited number of pre packaged meals and snack boxes.

The surprise is that some film crew members did complain about the absence of the catering buffet. :facepalm:

Really?


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[JDMDreams]

^^ film ppl along with longshoreman usually are very rough people and have crazy demands. Maybe cuz they are union and work like 20h days.

[Obsideon]

Went to a restaurant tonight (I won’t name it as I love this restaurant and I’ll cut it some slack) however, if 1 person dining tonight had covid pretty sure we’ve all got it...lol..

Like, 600 sq ft dining area with maybe 50 people dining? Felt basically full non-covid capacity almost. Also two groups of 6 who were obviously 1 group of 12 celebrating a birthday apart but together. (On top of that we sang happy birthday as a restaurant to them lol..Had an amazing meal and great date night but yea..that was kinda fucked lol..

c'est la vie

With such a small floor space was there at least screens between tables?

If you don't want to name the restaurant that's fine but you should at least give the owner/manager a heads up because it's a real backhand to the rest of the industry. Just because they haven't been caught doesn't mean they aren't essentially pulling the same type of douchery as that Cold Tea place.

[westopher]

^^ film ppl along with longshoreman usually are very rough people and have crazy demands.
Lol that's quite a generalization.

[pastarocket]

https://www.citynews1130.com/2021/02/04/bc-mandates-masks-middle-secondary-students-staff/

Dr. Henry and BC's Education Minister Jennifer Whiteside made an announcement today:

Middle and secondary students, as well as all staff and teachers from K-12, will be required to wear masks while in all indoor spaces at schools, including within learning groups.

The new mask requirement, which is part of changes announced on Thursday, does not apply to elementary students, for whom mask wearing will remain a personal choice

As part of the new requirement, masks can only be taken off when students and staff are sitting or standing at their seat or workstation in a classroom, if there is a barrier, or when they are eating or drinking.

“It is critical to remember that masks do not prevent the spread of COVID-19 on their own. We still very much need the other layers of protection. We need to ensure students and staff continue to follow safety guidelines including, very importantly, not coming to school sick, even with mild symptoms,” said Minister of Education Jennifer Whiteside.


In addition to the new mask mandate, provincial guidelines have also been updated for physical education and music lessons. Going forward, high-intensity physical activities are to be held outside, “as much as possible,” the province says. Any shared equipment can only be used if they are cleaned in between uses.

Students should also be at least two metres apart while using equipment or playing instruments. Masks must be worn while singing.


i asked one of my friends, a high school teacher, about what he thinks about Dr. Bonnie and this announcement.

Truth to be told, this high school teacher buddy of mine, is certainly not a fan of the doctor. He calls her "spineless". :lawl:

Calls her out for not putting provincial health orders last year for mandatory masks for all teachers, students, and other school staff. -not mandating physical barriers such as plexiglass to give an extra layer of protection for teachers.

My friend spent about 80 bucks on Amazon to buy a 32 X 24 inch plexiglass barrier to put on his classroom desk because he says that the Vancouver school district is not giving schools the money to buy more protective equipment.

My buddy said that the any funding the Education Minister gives to the school district is not given to schools. -won't even give 100 bucks per teacher for a plexiglass barrier.

The school district can just save the funding from the Ministry of Education or claim that they are hiring more teachers.

"Pathetic!" as per what my friend said about this announcement.

The school where my friend teaches only gave him two masks. LUL

What are your thoughts about this announcement? I'm curious to hear from any parents on RS about whether you think the Education Minister and school districts are doing enough in terms of protecting teachers, students, and school staff from Covid.

[Hondaracer]

Teachers whining? That’s weird.

I don’t have much time for the VSB as they seemingly waste money on totally useless shit and then don’t provide for teachers (if what you’re saying is true)

I find it a bit hard to believe your friend was only provided with 2 masks though as my friend who works for the VSB grounds services got a whole package of PPE etc

[pastarocket]

Teachers whining? That’s weird.

I don’t have much time for the VSB as they seemingly waste money on totally useless shit and then don’t provide for teachers (if what you’re saying is true)

I find it a bit hard to believe your friend was only provided with 2 masks though as my friend who works for the VSB grounds services got a whole package of PPE etc


My friend that teaches at David Thompson Secondary only received two masks.

[320icar]

Pathetic is the perfect term. Why wasn’t this done almost a god dammed year ago

[westopher]

Of the 3 teachers I know, they all say that the precautions in place have been adequate and feel safe at school. I mean, I wear my own masks all day every day. You need them to go anywhere, so not sure why I’d expect someone to provide it for me. People love to cry about shit.

[Hondaracer]

Also PPE is more than readily available everywhere at this point. At my workplace I could go grab 1000 masks right now if I wanted to. As well as unlimited hand sanitizer etc.

A lot of teachers seem to be the type to not spend $5 on a decent mask to make a point they didn’t get adequate PPE and get sick just to prove a point

[pastarocket]

Also PPE is more than readily available everywhere at this point. At my workplace I could go grab 1000 masks right now if I wanted to. As well as unlimited hand sanitizer etc.

A lot of teachers seem to be the type to not spend $5 on a decent mask to make a point they didn’t get adequate PPE and get sick just to prove a point


What you do not realize is the amount of stress many teachers are experiencing right now with increased workloads. You think their workplace stress is just from Covid? LUL

Here is the backstory that you may find interesting. A bunch of rich parents in Kitsilano threatened to sue VSB if teachers do not provide more in person learning in addition to online teaching. The VSB got scared about the potential lawsuit.

As per what my teacher buddy told me, as of November 2020, it's been in class teaching every day AND online teaching for students at home. That's right, the teachers have to do two jobs at the same time. In class teaching and support online learning every day.

It is not just my buddy the high school teacher who is feeling stress from work. I asked a couple of colleagues. My colleagues said that their friends, who are also teachers, are experiencing more work related stress because of this teaching arrangement that the Minister of Education is mandating.

Teachers are doing two jobs at the same time, every day at school.

People who say that teachers are whining about their jobs don't have a clue what kind of fucking politics is happening behind closed doors with the VSB. As per what my buddy the teacher said "The VSB and the teachers union betrayed us".

As per 320icar's reply, it is "pathetic!".

[twitchyzero]

not really helping our public health's image

Officials apologize after more than 200 vaccine doses pulled from remote B.C. community

Harding referred to the vaccine as a "gift" to the nation

...

Harding left the community with an RCMP escort on Jan. 22, five days after arriving, because he thought people were going to "stick him up,"

...

VCH confirmed that Harding took 230 vaccine doses meant for Bella Coola back to Vancouver, but the health authority would not disclose why.

...

at 5:21 p.m. Harding replied, telling the Nuxalk that if a "plan" was not provided by 10 a.m. the next morning, "the vaccine will no longer be available."

The community provided a plan at 10:02 a.m., but Harding said it missed the deadline.



https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/medical-health-officer-vaccine-indigenous-community-1.5890828

[Hondaracer]

Guess what, everyone who works with the public has added stresses and additional responsibility due to the pandemic. You think Nurses and hospital care staff have it easier than teachers? Lol at least teachers are working in a controllable environment with the same people coming and going. Many of us who are still working with the public can easily be considered to be in an “uncontrolled” environment where we don’t have the luxury of plastic shields everywhere and seeing the same handful of people everyday. Some of us see hundreds or THOUSANDS of strangers on a weekly basis and we are relying on the decentcy of people to wear a mask or do the right thing to protect us lol..

And none of us can look forward to a couple months and say oh yea, 3-4 months of not having to work period, what a shame.

[westopher]

Lots of teachers work very hard and deserve more money, however, lots of us are in the same situation. We work harder during this, and money has dropped. Nurses are working harder and so are medical staff, so are grocery store workers, so are restaurant employees.
The fact is the people who have had their workloads decrease, get to “work from home” which in so many cases just means dick around on their computers and go to Whistler on a Wednesday, would shit their pants if the budgets increases which would cause taxes to increase.
If people want to stand behind teachers, be ready to pay and not complain about it.
I’m good with that, but with it I hope there’s some reform in the teachers union that rewards the good teachers, instead of always just complaining while bringing no solutions to the table. They have done a horrible job for decades at representing teachers in the public eye.

[pastarocket]

Lots of teachers work very hard and deserve more money, however, lots of us are in the same situation. We work harder during this, and money has dropped. Nurses are working harder and so are medical staff, so are grocery store workers, so are restaurant employees.
The fact is the people who have had their workloads decrease, get to “work from home” which in so many cases just means dick around on their computers and go to Whistler on a Wednesday, would shit their pants if the budgets increases which would cause taxes to increase.
If people want to stand behind teachers, be ready to pay and not complain about it.
I’m good with that, but with it I hope there’s some reform in the teachers union that rewards the good teachers, instead of always just complaining while bringing no solutions to the table. They have done a horrible job for decades at representing teachers in the public eye.

I agree 100 percent. Reform within the teachers' union would somewhat help address the workplace issues that teachers are facing.

Politics happens in any work environment. I understand that. Heck, I have seen management at a former employer promote favoritism towards some employees and outright beatdowns of some employees because certain ladies provide sexual favours or one idiot chose to date every single lady in that office and break up with them. That guy was lucky that a manager's buddy didn't beat his ass down at an office party one year during the holidays. :whistle:

Covid has made the workplace even worse for some people.

[Hondaracer]

I’m in the same boat, if the money was going to be effective, by all means, give teachers more.

However it’s much like what I’ve said in the past regarding homelessness. If the CoV could get rid of homelessness, take another $300 a year in taxes, by all means.

However both groups are seemingly so fucking incompetent with their money I’d rather pull back the money I give than provide more to waste frivolously

[JDMDreams]

Like paying cain's salary to give at vi at 7 am in the morning on a parked car on private property, vs deal with all the shootings we have every week and police have no clue what's going on, or the dt corona penthouse parties. Cuz they don't want to"escalate the situation"

[CivicBlues]

Politics happens in any work environment. I understand that. Heck, I have seen management at a former employer promote favoritism towards some employees and outright beatdowns of some employees because certain ladies provide sexual favours or one idiot chose to date every single lady in that office and break up with them. That guy was lucky that a manager's buddy didn't beat his ass down at an office party one year during the holidays. :whistle:


Where did you work? Asking for a friend :badpokerface:

[Bouncing Bettys]

Earlier this week I heard a story from a nurse I know at Royal Inland Hospital in Kamloops, where there is currently an outbreak. I didn't hear this directly from her so take it for what it's worth.

She has received the first of 2 doses of the vaccine. Her supervisor essentially bullied her into treating patients in a room where the conditions for transmission are high (I think she said it was hyper-oxygenated?). She asked for a protective suit beyond the N95 and was told they don't have any. Her supervisor lied and said the patients in the room had all tested negative. So she went in and did her job. After she had come out, the doctor on the floor told her that no, they had not tested negative, their results were still pending.

I haven't heard if those results came back negative, but I hope she stays safe. Maybe she and others should take this kind of treatment to their union rep or even the press.

[pastarocket]

Where did you work? Asking for a friend :badpokerface:


That former employer was HSBC Bank Canada. All the drama at that bank's call centre back in the day was like an early 2000s version of a reality show. LUL

That shit show was outsourced to foreign workers in an Asian country many years ago. I cannot imagine all the shits and giggles that happen overseas now in their call centre. :whistle: :showbutt::Pbjt::announce:

[JDMDreams]

So vpd says they have no resources now, I wonder what other urgent matters they were responding to


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/penthouse-party-covid-nightclub-search-warrant-1.5900343

[punkwax]

My kids wear their masks in school. I didn’t need Bonnie to set the rules for my family.

[CivicBlues]

That former employer was HSBC Bank Canada. All the drama at that bank's call centre back in the day was like an early 2000s version of a reality show. LUL

That shit show was outsourced to foreign workers in an Asian country many years ago. I cannot imagine all the shits and giggles that happen overseas now in their call centre. :whistle: :showbutt::Pbjt::announce:

Damn, over a decade ago I worked in an office building that held HSBC back office workers - maybe call centre? Who knew all those nerdy-looking Hongers getting into the elevator with me were gettin' so much action on the job!

[pastarocket]

Damn, over a decade ago I worked in an office building that held HSBC back office workers - maybe call centre? Who knew all those nerdy-looking Hongers getting into the elevator with me were gettin' so much action on the job!


That HSBC call centre was in Burnaby. The sexcapades happened there and at after hour co worker gatherings at karaoke places.

You may be referring to an I.T. office building in downtown Vancouver.


I digress. -back to Covid discussion!

Dr. Bonnie hopes that Super Bowl Sunday is not a superspreader event.

Check out this story from NEWS 1130: https://www.citynews1130.com/2021/02/04/covid-19-super-bowl-warning-465-cases/

As we make plans for the weekend ahead, let’s ensure we don’t make the Super Bowl a superspreading day, by making safe choices. This is especially important given we are still learning about the full impact of the variants of concern now in our communities,” reads the statement.





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[westopher]

Football fucking sucks anyways

[StylinRed]

The only thing most of us seem interested in anyway, isn't the football, it's the commercials :lol

[SkinnyPupp]

Football fucking sucks anyways
*soccer

[westopher]

American soccer

[underscore]

Pansy rugby

[Teriyaki]

How's everyone feeling for tomorrow. Thinking they'll extend the current measures? My money is they do.

[westopher]

I actually thought they already did until after family day? But yes. It’s a definite they will.
Guess I’m going bowling by myself for my birthday this year.

[JDMDreams]

Why would they not extend the current measures, it's not like we have the magic vaccine they put all their eggs on.

[BIC_BAWS]

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/mobile/fundraiser-started-for-vancouver-man-arrested-in-makeshift-nightclub-1.5296694

Mo started a gofundme for himself LOL... Facepalm.

(Nightclub guy)

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[pastarocket]

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/mobile/fundraiser-started-for-vancouver-man-arrested-in-makeshift-nightclub-1.5296694

Mo started a gofundme for himself LOL... Facepalm.

(Nightclub guy)

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I think Mo was thinking "Mo money mo money to cover my losses!" :lawl:

Mo managed to raise just 260 bucks after the GoFundMe page was taken down. LUL

This motherfucker Mo is a joke! Restaurants and bars are suffering huge financial losses during this pandemic. It is laughable for this guy to think that he is suffering huge losses from not being able to host parties illegally in his penthouse.

https://www.citynews1130.com/2021/02/04/vancouver-party-hosts-online-fundraiser-laughable-ridiculous-councillor/

-from the article:

On Thursday, Mohammad Movassaghi started a GoFundMe with a goal of $100,000. The page was taken offline soon after it appeared, raising just $260. Movassaghi was arrested last weekend, and is facing two criminal charges after allegedly defying provincial health orders to host gatherings in his home. The penthouse parties reportedly featured tables, menus, cash tills, bartenders, and a DJ.

In his since-deleted post, he said he was raising money to recoup $15,000 he lost when police confiscated cash and liquor.

Counsellor Sarah Kirby-Yung says this latest move is another slap in the face to hard-hit businesses in the city.

“It’s ridiculous to suggest that he has been hard done by. The people that have been hard done by are the residents of Vancouver, who have been following the rules he broke,” she says.

“Our restaurant sector — our bars and our nightclubs — have been hard hit. Many of them can’t operate many of them are having a tough time. For him to suggest that he’s suffering financial losses from running an illegal commercial activity is laughable.”

Kirby-Yung also notes the parties ran afoul of city rules and bylaws and was apparently profiting from these illicit gatherings.

“He also broke the rules by operating a commercial activity, without a business licence in a residential building in the City of Vancouver,” she explains.

“Was he prepared to pay taxes and declare the income that he was getting on the illegal commercial activity, the illegal nightclub that he was running in his place? I don’t think so.”

[GLOW]

Football fucking sucks anyways

*soccer

American soccer

Pansy rugby

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/75/0f/10/750f10108e2ba2b3c5f21e9121417026.jpg

[twitchyzero]

waste of skin probably gets off on the attention/infamy

[320icar]

Who are the real idiots. Mo, or the people who donated $260

[westopher]

Why not both?

[twitchyzero]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/covid-19-restrictions-bc-february-5-2020-1.5902427

gatherings banned indefinitely

MAYBE safe six by March

translation: xmas 2028 :fullofwin:

[pastarocket]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/covid-19-restrictions-bc-february-5-2020-1.5902427

gatherings banned indefinitely

MAYBE safe six by March

translation: xmas 2028 :fullofwin:


This is gonna be a long winter, long year. :facepalm:

How do you guys look after your mental health during this pandemic?

For me, I have spent more time in nature, hiking in the past year, to get my mind away from the shitshow that the world is experiencing now.

I am thankful that beautiful BC has many good scenic hiking trails.

It is harder to do the hiking thing in the winter with the colder temperatures and the heightened risk of avalanches in our local mountains.

-video games, board games with family members, watching movies, artwork etc. for me.

Has anyone started a new hobby during this pandemic?

[StylinRed]

Who are the real idiots. Mo, or the people who donated $260

I want to believe that he made these donations himself to get the ball rolling :lol

[Hondaracer]

I know quite a few People have already started saying fuck it and hanging out outside of their household because they basically can’t take it anymore. And a lot of these people are people who I would consider “responsible” people who are weighing the risks VS their own well being.

I consider myself fortunate that I have a large enough home to do hobbies, a dedicated office, room to excercise and even garden etc.

If you’re a couple with a kid or two and you live in a 600sq ft appt, fucking kill me now.

Personally I’ve been seeing friends here and there, might go over to a friends place and spend the night with 1-2 other people and just get lit up, catch up and have fun. Imo the feeling of relief and the joy of actually being in-person with friends is enough for the risk abs it ain’t changing anytime soon obviously so fuck it.

[whitev70r]

Do you think we should take a step back and take a deep breath and get a perspective. Yes, I agree, this sucks but a couple with 2 kids in 600 sq ft apt is like normal life in HK, Paris, Tokyo, or New York. And that would be luxury in some parts of the world who live in shacks and huts.

Is it just a matter of perspective or is it because people are used to a certain way of life and any restriction or changes for a year (or looking like a year and half now), is difficult and involves suffering? I dunno, everytime I think this sux, I just think how great we have it here. There isn't anywhere else in the world that I rather be riding this Covid sh*t out ... nor any other Province. I mean I have toilet paper, I can go to local Save-On, my fridge is full, in another thread, some are discussing where to order the best friggin Beijing/Peking Duck.

Just let people vent and whine ... or put a soother in it?

[Hondaracer]

Canada the only G7 nation getting vaccines through the global Vaccine “share program” used by developing nations:

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.theglobeandmail.com/amp/politics/article-canada-the-only-g7-country-to-take-vaccines-from-fund-for-developing/

For fuck sakes..

[twitchyzero]

3 months, no problem..i mean we're all in this together
6 months, sure we've already sacrificed this much
a year or several years...yeah that's gonna be a no from me dawg

[Hondaracer]

It’s wayyyyy passed “don’t go see friends so this can end soon” that’s bullshit.

It ends when people get the vaccine. You can talk about how New Zealand etc. Has dealt with it, but cultural differences and the ineptitude of our govt. will prevent anything close to that ever happening in Canada.

Now we’re begging for vaccines along with Uganda etc. Because our shit prime minister didn’t do enough to secure an actual supply of vaccines and people, businesses, families are paying the price.

It’s a very Canadian thing to do to say, eh people live in shit holes elsewhere so it’s not so bad here. I agree completely that B.C. is about as good as it gets in terms of maintaining some semblance of normalcy. However that doesn’t excuse what a shit job govt. has done at all levels to get this over with ASAP.

Then we get to see Bonnie crying on the news everyday next to sack of shot Adrian Dix and his govt. who bought me a new Duvet rather than saving your grandma in the care home

[Ch28]

Canada the only G7 nation getting vaccines through the global Vaccine “share program” used by developing nations:

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.theglobeandmail.com/amp/politics/article-canada-the-only-g7-country-to-take-vaccines-from-fund-for-developing/

For fuck sakes..

'Our plan is working,' Trudeau says amid new vaccine delays
(https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/our-plan-is-working-trudeau-says-1.5902770)

:rukidding:


https://i.imgur.com/mkLPYNT.jpg

[pastarocket]

'Our plan is working,' Trudeau says amid new vaccine delays
(https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/our-plan-is-working-trudeau-says-1.5902770)

:rukidding:


https://i.imgur.com/mkLPYNT.jpg

Yeah, sure, PM Turd. The plan is not working! :mad:

He cannot even get his facts right about the AstraZeneca vaccine delivery time!

https://www.citynews1130.com/2021/02/05/trudeau-covid-19-vaccine-deliveries/

The prime minister misspoke during his regular COVID-19 briefing about the amount of vaccine coming from one drug company, causing some false hope for Canada’s immunization efforts.

Justin Trudeau said Friday during the question period that the country would be receiving the full order of AstraZeneca’s by the end of June. He said he had confirmation from the drug company’s CEO, however, government officials with public service and procurement have said that isn’t the case. The timeline for AstraZeneca won’t be detailed until the vaccine is approved by Health Canada, which could come soon

[twitchyzero]

at least with snc-lavlin/we scandals, boatloads of candians weren't dying daily as a direct result

but now every time he says 'it's fine we're right on plan' is quite upsetting knowing the consequences

i mean we werent around for the depression and great wars but how hard is it to have a leader who'll really fight for us when it counts

[The Producer]

bros - we don't make vaccines.

what country is going to make it, and export it to us (in any meaningful supply) before giving it to their own population first.

who are you mad at? do you really think the prime minister by himself ever had a chance to get more than we are getting? his biggest mistake in this situation is simply not just saying that outright.

save your political opinions for the other thread, and frankly pick from a plethora of other bad political moves. no Canadian government was going to get a single extra dose than this one no matter who is running it. we have no leverage.

be mad that we don't make shit, because we as a population (up until now) are happy to import the goods that we need from countries that are willing to make them cheaper.

[Hondaracer]

Of the top 10 vaccinated countries, only 2 actually make the vaccines.

Israel -

The health minister, Yuli Edelstein, said in an interview on Friday that Israel had entered into negotiations with drugmakers as an “early bird,” and that the companies were interested in supplying Israel because of its H.M.O.s’ reputation for efficiency and gathering reliable data.

Israeli officials have not publicized the exact number of vaccine doses that it has received so far, or how much it paid for them, saying the agreements are confidential. But if it turns out that Israel overpaid compared to other countries, Mr. Edelstein said, the cost would still be worth it even to reopen the Israeli economy one week earlier than it otherwise could have done.

Politics very much plays a role in this whether you want to admit it or not.

And on top of that, not only has our supreme leader orettt clearly not done everything in the governments power to acquire vaccines, he doesn’t even know when they are coming when they do, that’s weird lying to the public again? That’s necer happened under his regime..

https://www.citynews1130.com/2021/02/05/trudeau-covid-19-vaccine-deliveries/

[The Producer]

israel may as well be the 51st state. poor example

under his regime..

:suspicious:

we're not living under a regime. don't be ridiculous.

[SkinnyPupp]

Yeah only Americans can elect a regime LUL

[westopher]

Maybe scheer would have been able to call his boss at the insurance office and got us the vaccines? Or traded some oil no one wants. Trudeau has done some dumb shit, and some decent shit, but to think our vaccine situation is his fault is just scapegoating to push your politics. If we got the vaccines and paid too much most of the same people would be saying “JuStinE TurdEau WastINg R taX dollARs”
This is why politics is so fucked. It doesn’t matter the result. Most of the “other side” thinks you’re a fuckup regardless.

[68style]

Yah as much as politicians are all, at some level, self serving fucks... their job is like being the referee of a sports event... no matter what they do one side is screaming bloody murder about the result.

[whitev70r]

On the one hand, opposition is yelling about Pfizer not delivering vaccines due to a plant retooling. Then on the other hand, the opposition is also yelling about getting some from Covax. You just can't win. I guess that is why they are called 'opposition', that's their job to oppose whatever the government in power is doing.

[Hondaracer]

If the conservatives had us in the same situation I’d be saying the same thing.

It’s not a left or right issue, it’s an issue with pathetic govt. that Canadians continue to just accept and be ok with. Like, we’re Canada, we can do better.

[Hondaracer]

Liberal staffers had private meetings regarding withholding info to the public regarding the govt. covid response:

https://apple.news/AZIdmal8iTniXJa_lJeOuZw

Def not political though

[JDMDreams]

Cuz in Canada reopening > getting any vaccines

https://globalnews.ca/news/7624079/coronavirus-ontario-economy-reopening/amp/

[twitchyzero]

whether it's Dr. Henry, Trudeau, Singh, etc. really doesn't matter what their affiliation is with, the criticism would be just as harsh

if we had the means to create vaccines domestically we should've put our weight behind it 6 mos ago, not wait for delays then looked surprised that 7 other billions also want it before considering constructing the facilities to create them

[spoon.ek9]

First month of 2021 is in the books. Out of curiousity, I did the math and turns out I worked 43 hours of OT :lol

Things are under control though, just a lot of sick calls from staff.

Sick calls continue. 30 hours OT just this week alone! :drunk:

[SkinnyPupp]

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1357715616053014528

[pastarocket]

Dr. Henry's Covid update for the past weekend:

1236 new cases (428 + 465 + 343)
13 deaths
69 in ICU

-increase in Covid variant (mix of UK and South African) from 24 to 40 cases in the past two weeks.

-rollout of Astra Zeneca halted in South Africa. I found out about this article today:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/astrazeneca-vaccine-doesnt-protect-against-mild-and-moderate-cases-from-south-africa-strain-11612700385

JOHANNESBURG—South Africa said Sunday it would temporarily halt a planned rollout of AstraZeneca PLC’s Covid-19 vaccine after a small clinical trial found that it doesn’t appear to protect recipients against mild and moderate illness from a fast-spreading new strain of the coronavirus first detected in the country.

The trial, which enrolled around 2,000 volunteers with a median age of 31 in South Africa, was too small and its participants too young to draw broad conclusions on the vaccine’s overall efficacy in protecting against the disease caused by the coronavirus, especially when it comes to hospitalizations or death. However, its findings contribute to concerns that a mutating virus is rendering existing Covid-19 vaccines less effective and that shots will need to be updated to protect against new virus strains.

Of the 39 volunteers in the AstraZeneca trial that were found to be infected with the new South African variant, 19 had received the vaccine, while 20 had received a placebo, said Shabir Madhi, the trial’s principal investigator and dean of the medical school at the University of the Witwatersrand in Johannesburg. Those numbers would imply an efficacy rate of around 10% at protecting against mild and moderate Covid-19 from the new variant, said Dr. Madhi, although he added that the data were too limited to be statistically significant.

One thing to keep in mind is the small sample size of 2000 volunteers for the Astra Zeneca vaccine clinical trial in South Africa.

[Presto]

SAANICH (NEWS 1130) (https://www.citynews1130.com/2021/02/08/saanich-party-host/) – They saw the cops and started to run.

That’s what police on Vancouver Island say happened when they went to break up a house party over the weekend.

Saanich Police say they went to the home in the Gordon Head area at around 10:30 p.m. Saturday. When they got there, they saw 10 to 15 people hanging out.

Police say when the party-goers saw the officers, they started to run out the back door. When police went to talk to the host, they pointed out the house was empty denied any party took place.

“The host was likely unaware that police had arrived and witnessed the party long before they all scattered out the back door,” Cst. Markus Anastasiades with Saanich Police said.

The host was given a $2,300 fine for breaking public health rules.

[The Producer]

whether it's Dr. Henry, Trudeau, Singh, etc. really doesn't matter what their affiliation is with, the criticism would be just as harsh

if we had the means to create vaccines domestically we should've put our weight behind it 6 mos ago, not wait for delays then looked surprised that 7 other billions also want it before considering constructing the facilities to create them

i think we said the same thing... but you failed my post.

i don't care, i just don't follow.

:considered:

[Hondaracer]

From the same company that brought you the likes of asbestos baby powder and paying literally billions of dollars in litigation to cover up bad products and hide information, now you’ll be getting a subscription service for their vaccine:

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/09/covid-vaccine-jj-ceo-says-people-may-get-annual-shots-for-the-next-several-years.html?__source=sharebar%7Ctwitter&par=sharebar

The more of this shit that comes out and the more about how countries are basically individually assessing how to provide vaccines against manufacturers recommendations. Getting sick and building a natural immunity sure looks decent these days.

[Manic!]

[QUOTE=Hondaracer;9017464 Getting sick and building a natural immunity sure looks decent these days.[/QUOTE]

Does that actually work?

[MarkyMark]

I haven't had a flu shot since highschool so I hope immune systems aren't fake.

[CRS]

Does that actually work?

Sure does (provided you don't die first and don't care about infecting other around you).

[Hondaracer]

Vaccine don’t prevent transmission either son

[CRS]

You do know that a vaccine doesn't prevent infection but just reduces its effects on you because your immune system has a playbook on how to destroy it, right?

It's more protection than it is prevention.

Do you have an understanding of how the science of any of this work? Because your posts have shown how clearly you're missing fundamental concepts and making completely inappropriate comparisons.

Vaccine don’t prevent transmission either son

They sure don't. Well not in the traditional sense unless you take into account herd immunity.

But at least the vaccine doesn't allow you transmit it to others whereas getting the real thing will.

The initial quote was not directed at Hondaracer but someone that no longer posts?

[CivicBlues]

Vaccine don’t prevent transmission either son

Hasn't been proven either way. But has been proven to reduce viral load and viral load is a factor in transmission.

Anyways, not trying to be an ass but I'll gladly take your place in line if you don't want it.

[Hondaracer]

If it’s for that 50% effective J&J one it’s yours lol

[CivicBlues]

Bruh it's 72% and 85% effective against severe disease.

And if it's a choice between getting the J&J in June vs waiting for Pfizer or Moderna in September then sign me up. I'll be smoking trees in Belize when they find me!!!

[stylez2k4]

Vaccine don’t prevent transmission either son

The more of this shit that comes out and the more about how countries are basically individually assessing how to provide vaccines against manufacturers recommendations. Getting sick and building a natural immunity sure looks decent these days.

You are so fucking ignorant about everything COVID-19 vaccine related.

Please stop spreading misinformation.

[Hondaracer]

Aigh aigh

[6793026]

Not trying to be an ass; what I've been reading: once you get the 2 doses of vaccine and ASSUMING your body is producing the antibodies... (which also takes time) AND you have to assuming your body keeps producing antibodies.

It ONLY means
a) you don't get sick.
b) you can still transmit.
c) you are still infected.

Therefore, herd immunity is still the only solution which does take time.

Am I wrong...

[SkinnyPupp]

Not trying to be an ass; what I've been reading: once you get the 2 doses of vaccine and ASSUMING your body is producing the antibodies... (which also takes time) AND you have to assuming your body keeps producing antibodies.

It ONLY means
a) you don't get sick.
b) you can still transmit.
c) you are still infected.

Therefore, herd immunity is still the only solution which does take time.

Am I wrong...
Yes, your choices for herd immunity are

1) Everyone gets covid, hopefully don't die or get long term issues
2) Get vaccinated

[spoon.ek9]

Not trying to be an ass; what I've been reading: once you get the 2 doses of vaccine and ASSUMING your body is producing the antibodies... (which also takes time) AND you have to assuming your body keeps producing antibodies.

It ONLY means
a) you don't get sick.
b) you can still transmit.
c) you are still infected.

Therefore, herd immunity is still the only solution which does take time.

Am I wrong...

a) is the key important factor
b) yes, which is why you are told to continue with mask usage, sanitizing and social distancing
c) this will only happen if you disregard safety measures

herd immunity via the vaccine is completely different than herd immunity via the actual virus.

it's layered protection where the goal is for you to not get sick (should you contract the virus) and that you continue to do things to stop the spread just in case.

[westopher]

Fuck I can’t wait for cars and covfefe 2028. At least my e30 will be done by then.

[yray]

Fuck I can’t wait for cars and covfefe 2028. At least my e30 will be done by then.

e30 EV conversion

[pastarocket]

https://www.citynews1130.com/2021/02/11/canada-1m-vaccine-doses-end-february/

-from the article

OTTAWA (NEWS 1130) – Canada’s COVID-19 vaccine rollout is set to kick into high gear after major disruptions left us with zero doses just a few weeks ago.

To date, Canada has administered just over 1.1 million doses, and in the next four weeks we’re expecting 1.8 million from Pfizer and 168,000 from Moderna.

Major General Danny Fortin is confident the provinces will be able to handle this major increase in distribution.

“There’s still more work to do, for sure, at all levels in the coming weeks. But the provinces have solid plans,” he said.

While Pfizer appears on track to meet its target for the end of March, Moderna is still short 1.3-million doses. But Fortin insists the gap will be filled.

[Hondaracer]

https://i.imgur.com/XjYBXdm.jpgg

[SkinnyPupp]

Looks like one of the boomer memes I see from my gun-loving Trudeau-hating (or hate-loving?) friends on Facebook LUL

[68style]

I still laughed

[SkinnyPupp]

HK are lifting restrictions after CNY... Restaurants will be serving until 10pm (instead of 6pm) up to 4 at a table (instead of 2). Gyms, etc ,will be reopened

The caveat is that the government's tracing app has to be used to go to these places now. Tracing is obviously very important, but good luck getting people to trust the government now.

[JDMDreams]

Headlines today were saying the mutated stands will become the main variant

[CivicBlues]

Two of the countries where the scary new variants were first identified have cases dropping like a rock.

South Africa:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_South_Africa#/media/File:Za-covid-actives.svg

UK:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

What gives? I know UK is in a "lockdown" but South Africa just seems to be plodding along as usual

[Liquid_o2]

Under reporting of cases potentially?

[68style]

Haha yah easiest way to look good is to never report anything bad

[CivicBlues]

at this point? Why would anyone do that? This is the UK we're talking about not some tinpot dictatorship. If they're going to spread fear and uncertainty with the new variants why would they fudge the case numbers? Makes no sense.

[SkinnyPupp]

USA is dropping too

[68style]

I guess at some point you run out of vulnerable / old age victims

[StylinRed]

Two of the countries where the scary new variants were first identified have cases dropping like a rock.

South Africa:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_South_Africa#/media/File:Za-covid-actives.svg

UK:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

What gives? I know UK is in a "lockdown" but South Africa just seems to be plodding along as usual


SA was under a lockdown that's just recently been slightly lifted

[twitchyzero]

3 months into the gatherings ban and still 400-500 cases with handful of deaths daily

we didn' spiral out of control and overwhelm the system but not sure what they mean when saying it's trending in a good direction

[Hondaracer]

And deaths dropping as long term care gets vaccinated? Who’d of thunk?

[whitev70r]

Oh shit ...warning of a third wave because of variant !

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-covid-modelling-update-1.5910777

[MarkyMark]

https://cdn.quotesgram.com/img/62/95/679688447-tumblr_matvaoNSAx1qhbrnoo1_400.gif

Already go to work and then back home, don't see my friends and family, and restrictions aren't ending anytime soon so another wave is just business as usual as far as daily life goes.

[westopher]

Big ern.

[GLOW]

waiting for the mutation to be in our favour so we an all be fisker from res evil

[Obsideon]

I just randomly watched I Am Legend on Netflix last night cuz it was in my recommendations ... :suspicious:

[MG1]

Old news now, but just in case...............

https://www.burnabynow.com/local-news/burnaby-new-west-london-drugs-recall-face-masks-over-small-holes-3370309

[spoon.ek9]

I'm receiving my second dose this week. I'll let you guys know how it goes. I have heard some stories about the second shot somehow having worse side effects but I'm not particularly worried.

[Obsideon]

My cousin who's a doctor in California already got his second dose, he said he's mostly sympton-free but he was extremely fatigued even after sleeping 12 hours straight.

[mikemhg]

My GF gets her second dose of Moderna today here. It'll be interesting to see if her side effects are measurably worse then the first one.

I will report.

[GLOW]

My cousin who's a doctor in California already got his second dose, he said he's mostly sympton-free but he was extremely fatigued even after sleeping 12 hours straight.

and that has nothing to do with working in healthcare in the US right now?
:heckno:Kappa:troll:

[pastarocket]

Dr. Henry's explanation on why a delay in receiving the second Covid vaccine shot is beneficial for long term immunity:

https://www.citynews1130.com/2021/02/17/second-doses-covid-vaccine-bc/

“It may, in fact — and we know this from other vaccine programs and from how our immune system works — result in the end in a stronger and more long-lasting protection,” Henry said Tuesday.

She explains the first dose triggers the production of antibodies that result in increased immunity but the second dose triggers the adaptation of the body’s cellular defences through T-cells and B-cells in our blood.

“These are cells that live in our lymph node and in our blood system and they take time to fully develop and they also modify and they react to things like the protein on the outside of the virus and it’s these cells that take longer to build up but are longer lasting as well,” she explained.

We can safely delay the second dose, if needed, to make sure that our operational issues, that enough vaccine comes to be able to provide those second doses. And in the U.K. and in Quebec, they’re looking at 90 days, or three months, for the second dose,” she said, noting the initial target was to get the second dose of vaccines into British Columbians within 35 days.

Henry says most people who have taken their first Pfizer shot will get their second before 42 days.

[twitchyzero]

lmao best assurance you wanna hear from the face of public health "it is what it is"

how about providing a realistic approach when it's delays after delays

turns out our shipment from belgium routes through the US

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/polopoly_fs/1.5311982!/httpImage/image.png_gen/derivatives/landscape_960/image.png

[twitchyzero]

latest R naught and 7-day avg in FH and VCH are going up again

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/covid-19-update-february-16-1.5915890

[Ch28]

It's pretty impressive how fast UK has vaccinated their population given that they're about double the population of Canada. I guess that's the perk of having vaccine production plants within your country.

[Hondaracer]

There’s 19 countries ahead of Canada on this list and only 3 make a vaccine:

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

And we’re begging India for vaccines when they are behind us.. lol

Libs bring up the stupid gun buy back program to distract dummies about the pathetic lack of vaccines then once every other country has had theirs and we catch up in November/December turd gonna call another election looking like a hero to people who haven’t been paying attention?

[Ch28]

Bid for injunction against B.C. churches breaking COVID-19 rules dismissed (https://bc.ctvnews.ca/bid-for-injunction-against-b-c-churches-breaking-covid-19-rules-dismissed-1.5312457)

"I shouldn't be doing Dr. Henry's job. If she wants police to have the ability to arrest people, the order can be amended, can't it?'' he asked.

Henry told a news conference on Tuesday she doesn't know if she has the authority to add enforcement measures to her public health orders


"Given the other remedies available to the respondents, I have reservations that an injunction alone, without enforcement by the B.C. Prosecution Service, would overcome the deeply held beliefs of the petitioners and their devotee," Hinkson wrote.

He said health orders already prohibit in-person religious services and it's in Henry's and the province's powers to escalate enforcement.

"I am left to wonder what would be achieved by the issuance of an injunction in this case," Hinkson wrote.

"If it were granted and not adhered to, would the administration of justice yet again be brought into disrepute because the B.C. Prosecution Service considers that it would not be in the public interest to prosecute those who refused to adhere to the orders sought from this Court?"


:lawl: About time someone had the balls to call her out on it.

[BlackV62K2]

Trudeau "Sorry but can you please send more vaccines to Canada. I'm sorry for asking. It's okay if you can't. Sorry again"

https://i.imgflip.com/4yf3ml.jpg

[320icar]

Religion is antiquated, they need a reality check

[Hondaracer]

Manitoba’s premier going to town on the delays on CBC right now. Said we can’t “be patient” after delay, after delay, after delay. And to have the people responsible for the vaccine distribution saying it won’t do anything to “make a fuss” about delays is crazy because people are dieing and lives are at risk every day due to delays caused by the lack of acquisition.

But hey, he’s not an epidemiologist so just stfu right? :concentrate:

[mikemhg]

Well as expected, she got messed up from the vaccine again.

Had to call in sick today, she's pretty feverish, lots of hot/cold temperature changes, but that's just your immune system response.

Pretty standard stuff, seems as though it's always the next day where your side effects are the most apparent. Food for thought when you get the vaccine, your following day will be the worst.

[westopher]

My wife had zero side effects from the shot. Literally zero. No fatigue, no soreness. It’s not really reasonable to say “this will go this way”
Everyone reacts differently. It could very easily be the first 5 minutes that are your worst, as you have an anaphylactic reaction, or it could be several days of felling like complete garbage, or it could just be nothing. Chances are it’s somewhere in middle garbage and nothing.

[Hondaracer]

My wife had zero side effects from the shot. Literally zero. No fatigue, no soreness. It’s not really reasonable to say “this will go this way”
Everyone reacts differently. It could very easily be the first 5 minutes that are your worst, as you have an anaphylactic reaction, or it could be several days of felling like complete garbage, or it could just be nothing. Chances are it’s somewhere in middle garbage and nothing.

You getting kickbacks from Bonnie bro?

[CivicBlues]

Just musing based on everyone's replies here that their gf/wife got it but not them... I wonder what the gender split with the vaccine distribution is right now? Given a majority of people working in health care front lines are female (I think?), and the fact that the majority of over-80s are as well, I wouldn't be surprised if it was heavily skewed at this point.

[quasi]

It's pretty impressive how fast UK has vaccinated their population given that they're about double the population of Canada. I guess that's the perk of having vaccine production plants within your country.

This part boggles my mind, in April last year when they started going heavy into trying to find a vaccine Canada and by Canada I mean our Government knows we don't have the facilities to make them ourselves.

Why wouldn't you start building a lab/production facility capable of this at that point? It could have been fast tracked and would have been done, sure it would have costed a lot but who gives a fuck you're already spending hand over fist.

This is where I feel the Government fucked up the most.

[mikemhg]

My wife had zero side effects from the shot. Literally zero. No fatigue, no soreness. It’s not really reasonable to say “this will go this way”
Everyone reacts differently. It could very easily be the first 5 minutes that are your worst, as you have an anaphylactic reaction, or it could be several days of felling like complete garbage, or it could just be nothing. Chances are it’s somewhere in middle garbage and nothing.

I'm only repeating the issue her colleagues have also felt. Did your wife get the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine? Reactions are much different between the two.

5 of her colleagues got their second shot yesterday, 4 of them called in sick to VGH today.

Could it be purely anecdotal? Of course, just reporting what I observed here, I'm not dissuading anyone from getting the vaccine, I will definitely be getting one myself when I'm finally eligible in 2023 :lol

[Ch28]

You getting kickbacks from Bonnie bro?

You're such an antagonizing asshole sometimes :suspicious:

[68style]

His weed stocks are down he’s a bit unhappy hahaha

[Hondaracer]

Was just fooling around chill

[320icar]

He makes a fun comment, I roast religion. But he gets the backlash lol

[Manic!]

This part boggles my mind, in April last year when they started going heavy into trying to find a vaccine Canada and by Canada I mean our Government knows we don't have the facilities to make them ourselves.

Why wouldn't you start building a lab/production facility capable of this at that point? It could have been fast tracked and would have been done, sure it would have costed a lot but who gives a fuck you're already spending hand over fist.

This is where I feel the Government fucked up the most.

https://globalnews.ca/news/7643740/canada-made-coronavirus-vaccine-providence-therapeutics/

A Canadian company says it is on track to produce 50 million doses of its COVID-19 vaccine this year, which if approved, could give the country’s vaccine supply a much-needed boost to fight the coronavirus pandemic.

Calgary-based vaccine maker, Providence Therapeutics, is still in the early stages of clinical trials for its mRNA vaccine candidate, and Manitoba is the only province that has announced a deal with them.


on the other side what would we do with all this manufacturing capability's after covid? Remember when everyone was talking about making PPE in Canada because of the shortage? Now manufactures is China have ramped up production and no one is taking about it.

Able just auctioned off 2 PPE production lines last month. Looks like someone started a production line then figured out they could not produce 50 masks and sell them for 10 bux.

https://www.ableauctions.ca/auction?aAuctionId=ae03073f-5bc0-4e34-a3e9-b033c230bf6d

[SumAznGuy]

Able just auctioned off 2 PPE production lines last month. Looks like someone started a production line then figured out they could not produce 50 masks and sell them for 10 bux.

https://www.ableauctions.ca/auction?aAuctionId=ae03073f-5bc0-4e34-a3e9-b033c230bf6d

Saw this in the news. I think they said they couldn't get the N95 designation and couldn't compete with how cheap the non medical masks are coming out of china.

[westopher]

You getting kickbacks from Bonnie bro?

Nah just trying to get the “I DonT kNOw WhAtS inTHE VaccINe” bros like you not to be scared of it so I can go back to having a beer at the bar with my friends.

[westopher]

I'm only repeating the issue her colleagues have also felt. Did your wife get the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine? Reactions are much different between the two.

5 of her colleagues got their second shot yesterday, 4 of them called in sick to VGH today.

Could it be purely anecdotal? Of course, just reporting what I observed here, I'm not dissuading anyone from getting the vaccine, I will definitely be getting one myself when I'm finally eligible in 2023 :lol

I think it was the moderna but honestly don’t know. Everyone on her unit has had their first dose now. I certainly believe you and understand that everyone last reactions will be different. I’m just saying, don’t expect anything in particular. You honestly don’t know how your body will react until you get it. I’m a bit worried, as I have some severe food allergies, but I’ll also get it somewhere there’s an epi pen handy, so I don’t think there’s any chance I’ll be worse off than before. I’m more worried about the virus, and honestly way more worried about just doing what I can to get back to fucking normal ish.

Edit: just asked her and it was Pfizer. She says it’s a lot more likely those in large hospitals will get Pfizer based on storage and handling of it being so much more sensitive.

[quasi]

https://globalnews.ca/news/7643740/canada-made-coronavirus-vaccine-providence-therapeutics/




on the other side what would we do with all this manufacturing capability's after covid? Remember when everyone was talking about making PPE in Canada because of the shortage? Now manufactures is China have ramped up production and no one is taking about it.

Able just auctioned off 2 PPE production lines last month. Looks like someone started a production line then figured out they could not produce 50 masks and sell them for 10 bux.

https://www.ableauctions.ca/auction?aAuctionId=ae03073f-5bc0-4e34-a3e9-b033c230bf6d

The government spent so much money already on questionable shit and when you factor in the negative effects to the economy dragging the vaccine process out an extra 6 months relying on other Countries (I'm just guessing at the length but probably not that far off) I'm sure would cover any costs for construction of the production facility even if you burnt the facility to ground when you're done with it.

[Ch28]

'Games night' with 50 people led to 15 COVID-19 infections, community spread, B.C.'s top doctor says (https://bc.ctvnews.ca/games-night-with-50-people-led-to-15-covid-19-infections-community-spread-b-c-s-top-doctor-says-1.5312830)

lol ffs

[SkunkWorks]

Nah just trying to get the “I DonT kNOw WhAtS inTHE VaccINe” bros like you not to be scared of it so I can go back to having a beer at the bar with my friends.

This.

I'd like to finally be able to come home and see my family.

[Manic!]

The government spent so much money already on questionable shit and when you factor in the negative effects to the economy dragging the vaccine process out an extra 6 months relying on other Countries (I'm just guessing at the length but probably not that far off) I'm sure would cover any costs for construction of the production facility even if you burnt the facility to ground when you're done with it.

The equipment required to make vaccines is not off the shelf you can't just go to Lordco and pick it up. It's probably built to order and takes months to get under normal conditions. Even if we did build a factory then what? are we just going to give away free to a company like Pfizer? This is something the government should have dealt with years ago but people don't want governments to spend money.

[quasi]

The equipment required to make vaccines is not off the shelf you can't just go to Lordco and pick it up. It's probably built to order and takes months to get under normal conditions. Even if we did build a factory then what? are we just going to give away free to a company like Pfizer? This is something the government should have dealt with years ago but people don't want governments to spend money.

Takes time for sure we had 9 months from when they started looking for vaccine until they found one. I don't know what deal they'd strike but maybe a discount per dose produced within Canada.

Other countries have labs it's not out of the realm of possibilities to build our own. This isn't a normal situation they have to think outside the box and be proactive not reactive.

Edit: I should add I'm still talking about what they should have done last year, the horse is out of the barn now it's a little late now.

[twitchyzero]

i see the pattern of countries that can't produce domestically yet beating us-- they're getting a big boost ordering from China

[CivicBlues]

LOL at people thinking we can build anything in Canada within 11 months....let alone a massive factory.

No first you need a community review to see if it fits within the community zoning rules
- Then consult with every Tom, Dick, and Karen to see if they want it within sight of their house
- then do an environmental review
-- Then need to consult with First Nations
- then another environmental review just for shits and giggles
- then the First Nations hereditary chiefs get pissed off they weren't consulted and drag you through the courts.

- THEN maybe if you get your ducks line up, 3 years later you can get shovels in the ground.

[quasi]

LOL at people thinking we can build anything in Canada within 11 months....let alone a massive factory.

No first you need a community review to see if it fits within the community zoning rules
- Then consult with every Tom, Dick, and Karen to see if they want it within sight of their house
- then do an environmental review
-- Then need to consult with First Nations
- then another environmental review just for shits and giggles
- then the First Nations hereditary chiefs get pissed off they weren't consulted and drag you through the courts.

- THEN maybe if you get your ducks line up, 3 years later you can get shovels in the ground.

You don't think the Federal Government can fast track in a pandemic if they want to? We could easily build a facility to make vaccines in 11 months if the funding was there and the Govt. was behind it to allow for a fast track build. The reason everything takes so long is because of permits and approvals, you don't think they could influence that to happen quickly in a situation like this? We can build a new hospital with 100's of rooms from the ground up in 14 months without expediting the build, you don't think we can design and build a laboratory/production facility in 11 months expidited?

How long does a new drug normally take, test, human trials ect. to get approved after it's already made? years right? How long did the covid vaccines take to create and get approved? Less than a year right? Wait, but that can't be done yet here we have it, how so?

Like i said that ship has sailed but if they had any fore thought it's something they would have done last year.

[JDMDreams]

^^^ lol a year + in the pandemic and they can't even ban in person gatherings, rIgHts aND FrEeDOM CuZ, what makes you think they can build a vaccine factory.

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/mobile/no-court-injunction-for-3-fraser-valley-churches-defying-covid-health-order-1.5312457

[Hondaracer]

Of course they can’t.

Remember when I suggested they build temporary hospitals and everyone was down my throat? Lol..can’t built temporary hospitals to house dieing 80 year olds but you can build a lab to test and create vaccines?

They labs they are building currently will be for future vaccine production they won’t even be close to contributing to this current pandemic.

[GLOW]

tons of temporary housing/pods/shelters
if there's a will there's a way, including around red tape

it didn't happen b/c powers that be didn't will it...

i don't recall your posting honda, but i think that would have been a good idea
i've seen tons of makeshift/portable/modular medical solutions that make total sense, especially early days, from around the world.

[whitev70r]

Why the hell would they need to build this from ground up? There are tons of industrial, business manufacturing type of parks going up with lots of space. What is so unique about making that serum that you need to build the plant from bottom up? It's the equipment inside that is important. You mean to tell me you can't find any existing empty warehouse or industrial zoned space in Canada?

Plus, how big of this do you really need? Do you don't need a giant ass Amazon type warehouse in Twassassen? You're not making a car, you're making some vaccines going into little itty bitty bottles. Why not make 4 plants around the country, ramp them up to run 24/7, so the logisitics of delivering it is much easier instead of one plant and then having to ship it all across the country?

Damn bureaucracy and stupid people in government.

[Hondaracer]

In b4 “Hondaracer isn’t a scientist!!”

But my wife’s old company which made a fairly complicated medical device which is inserted into your body had a very nice office/manufacturering facility in the lower mainland. This also included a “clean room” which the assembly is done in. Now this is a smaller private company but this clean room which isn’t that big took months and months to build then you need to test and certify if I believe before you can actually start using it

Would think it’s the same for a vaccine production facility but on a much larger scale

[twitchyzero]

it didn't happen because our leaders fumble on everything

it's one thing to be skeptical of vaccines being developed in 9 months at the beginning stages but by the summer if they were paying attention they could've seen the clinical trials were happening rapidly..ok even if the production isnt running yet at least there's progress if we started in august

they don't disclose on how much we bid for the vaccines, maybe we got outbid

i mean this is the same govt that botched the stockpiles of expired n95 and didn't really commit to banning international travel until this month only when the threat of multiple more virulent strains are in the picture...i'm not even surprised anymore just getting depressed even morocco, chile and US of A that we ridicule all the time are on track to getting back to normal sooner lol

and holy hell people like trudeau or henry should acknowledge the growing complaints instead of dismissing it as noise from their ivory towers..try telling that directly to the families of those dying from what's now possibly a preventable disease

[quasi]

In b4 “Hondaracer isn’t a scientist!!”

But my wife’s old company which made a fairly complicated medical device which is inserted into your body had a very nice office/manufacturering facility in the lower mainland. This also included a “clean room” which the assembly is done in. Now this is a smaller private company but this clean room which isn’t that big took months and months to build then you need to test and certify if I believe before you can actually start using it

Would think it’s the same for a vaccine production facility but on a much larger scale

It's really not that complicated, we've built laboratories before and we've built hospital operating rooms both are considered clean rooms. Keep in mind you could have run construction double shift or even triple shift (24/7) on a project like this, sure it would have cost way more but it can be done.

Like mentioned above, repurpose a building or build a tilt which goes up super quick. The longest lead time items would have been the lab equipment but you throw money at shit and anything is possible.

[Hondaracer]

Hard to believe if turd hadn’t of committed 2-4 billion in his retarded gun buy back program we’d be having needles in arms right now.

Obviously the countries ahead of us which don’t produce their own simply outbid Canada.

[pastarocket]

Hard to believe if turd hadn’t of committed 2-4 billion in his retarded gun buy back program we’d be having needles in arms right now.

Obviously the countries ahead of us which don’t produce their own simply outbid Canada.


Yeah, Turd is doing an awful job with Covid purchases and distribution.

Having said that, I believe that we should not let "Erin the Tool" off the hook either. The Conservatives, the official Opposition party in Canada, under Erin the Tool put some of their attention on this issue recently:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/o-toole-calls-for-relocation-of-beijing-olympics-due-to-china-s-genocide-of-uighurs-1.5310842

Really??? Erin the Tool politicizing a sporting event in the winter Olympics in China right in the middle of a pandemic? He is calling the government to ask the IOC to relocate the next winter Olympics from China to another country because of alleged crimes against a minority group in China.

Talk about knowing the priorities in Canada now. :facepalm: Erin the Tool thinks that Canadians really care about where the next winter Olympics will be held in 2024 compared to the pandemic??

Honestly, I don't think Canada would be in a better situation in terms of Covid vaccinations with Erin the Tool as our Prime Minister in power.

I think that both men are idiots.

[MG1]

It's really not that complicated, we've built laboratories before and we've built hospital operating rooms both are considered clean rooms. Keep in mind you could have run construction double shift or even triple shift (24/7) on a project like this, sure it would have cost way more but it can be done.

Like mentioned above, repurpose a building or build a tilt which goes up super quick. The longest lead time items would have been the lab equipment but you throw money at shit and anything is possible.

Like casinos...........


In b4 “Hondaracer isn’t a scientist!!”

............... made a fairly complicated medical device which is inserted into your body had a very nice................

Don't want to know, lol. My imagination running wild, atm.

[Hondaracer]

Yeah, Turd is doing an awful job with Covid purchases and distribution.

Having said that, I believe that we should not let "Erin the Tool" off the hook either. The Conservatives, the official Opposition party in Canada, under Erin the Tool put some of their attention on this issue recently:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/o-toole-calls-for-relocation-of-beijing-olympics-due-to-china-s-genocide-of-uighurs-1.5310842

Really??? Erin the Tool politicizing a sporting event in the winter Olympics in China right in the middle of a pandemic? He is calling the government to ask the IOC to relocate the next winter Olympics from China to another country because of alleged crimes against a minority group in China.

Talk about knowing the priorities in Canada now. :facepalm: Erin the Tool thinks that Canadians really care about where the next winter Olympics will be held in 2024 compared to the pandemic??

Honestly, I don't think Canada would be in a better situation in terms of Covid vaccinations with Erin the Tool as our Prime Minister in power.

I think that both men are idiots.

Can’t disagree. Politics is in rough shape in Canada right now.

[MG1]

Can’t disagree. Politics is in rough shape in Canada right now.

As is everywhere on this planet, sadly. Just look south of the 49th.