[SkinnyPupp]

Where do you download past games? torrents?
nation of cif :)

[Bonka]

Nobody wants to have to be bailed out by their goalie. But when it NEVER happens, it's kind of an issue. We don't want to be reminded of the Cloutier days, when Marc Crawford could just press the Goal Button they seemed to have so they could win games 6-5 or 5-4.

Lu has altered his mechanics over the years here so he doesn't make those acrobatic saves often anymore. Frankly he's vulnerable when he does that now. Instead, a lot of his big and timely saves now look really simple. He is not a Tim Thomas/Hasek and wouldn't want him to be.

Are there flaws in his style still? Absolutely, and actually more noticeable than ever. Still he manages to find his way through.

[cliffhanger33]

I don't think San Jose won the way they wanted to win. They held off Vancouver with a 3 goal lead for a long time, and in the end, it almost coulda went to OT. After being humiliated in game 2, and now winning only by 1 from a team that fought back, didn't pick any fights, had some peculiar penalty calls, and was even keel through the game, i think psychologically, San Jose is still rattled.

+1
Exactly how I feel.

[Bonka]

I don't think San Jose won the way they wanted to win. They held off Vancouver with a 3 goal lead for a long time, and in the end, it almost coulda went to OT. After being humiliated in game 2, and now winning only by 1 from a team that fought back, didn't pick any fights, had some peculiar penalty calls, and was even keel through the game, i think psychologically, San Jose is still rattled.

:werd:

[shawn79]

WINNIPEG'S ENTRANCE TO NHL REQUIRES SUPPORT OF MOST OWNERS

who owns the phoenix coyotes? oh right, the nhl (gary bettman) does :troll:

[pure.life]

Sums up why the rest of Canada hates the Canucks

Original article: http://thetyee.ca/Life/2011/05/20/WorldTeamCanucks/

So apparently not only are the Vancouver Canucks not "Canada's team," but Vancouver isn't actually Canadian.

It started with a couple of writers for Toronto's two allegedly national newspapers trying to stir the pot -- or as we prefer to call it in B.C., "bud" -- by listing off reasons not to cheer for the Canucks.

But by the time the New York Times latched onto the story people had begun questioning whether Vancouver was still part of Confederation. Perhaps if Sarah Palin becomes America's president we can create a country with L.A. and New York since the moose-hunting hockey mom declared they're not part of the "real America." No wonder people are so excited about Winnipeg potentially taking over the Atlanta Thrashers -- that way Canada will be back to having six teams.

It's not too surprising to hear the Canucks aren't Canada's hockey team, they're certainly not Hockey Night in Canada's hockey team. That's apparent watching CBC war correspondent Don Cherry gleefully mangle the names of Kevin Bieksa and Roberto Luongo. Part of the former hockey commentator's shtick has always been mispronouncing the names of players from other countries and/or "distinct societies," but he generally seems to make an effort with good old English Canadian boys.

But apparently it doesn't matter that Bieksa hails from Grimsby and Luuuuu was born and raised in Montreal -- if they're wearing the whale on their jersey, their names aren't worth learning. This is the same cornered coach who dubbed Canucks' superstar Pavel Bure, "a little weasel."

Cherry's side-kicker Ron "The Ref's Always Right" MacLean spent a whole segment last season dissecting the play of Canucks' left winger Alexandre Burrows with a savage righteousness not seen on TV since Edward R. Murrow's evisceration of Senator Joe McCarthy (who played right wing). The Canucks were so impressed with the coverage that they briefly boycotted interviews on Canada's iconic hockey showcase.

The schadenfreude factor

In the Times piece, André Richelieu, a professor of marketing at Université Laval, declared the Canucks a "regional brand" and said if Vancouver faced off against Tampa Bay, "a lot of Quebecers would support the Lightning, just as they did in 2004 against the Calgary Flames. They have Martin St. Louis, Vincent Lecavalier -- even the coach, Guy Boucher. That has a strong resonance here in Quebec." Unlike the Canucks who have Burrows, Maxime Lapierre and coach, Alain Vigneault.

The Edmonton Sun ran a reader poll where 55 per cent of respondents from the City of Former Champions declared they were rooting for anybody but Vancouver.

As a lifelong Canucks fan who has cheered (at least once) for every Canadian team in the playoffs, I'm disappointed by the national diss, but not surprised. Since the Oilers era ended Canadian Cup contenders have usually been underdogs, and this year the Canucks have been Vegas favourites since before the first puck dropped. The Globe's Gary Mason suggested that's why some Canadians are experiencing schadenfreude, which is German for, "the Leafs won't win another Cup 'til Bill Barilko comes back as a zombie and eats the brains of at least one member of the Tragically Hip." He also repeated the case against the Canucks that the team has fewer Canadians in the lineup than the Sharks and, I suppose, that the ones we do have aren't pure laine.

Multinational operation

The temptation is to respond by rattling off all the Canadians on the roster and pointing out that there's at least one player from every province west of New Brunswick. But to me the player who says the most about what kind of team the Canucks are -- and have been for decades -- isn't our gold-medal-winning Canadian goalie, but Jannik Hansen, the first Dane ever to get a point in an NHL playoff game.

The 1978 Canucks started three Swedes -- Thomas Gradin and a pair of Larses -- Zetterstrom and Lindgren. Gradin still scouts Europe for the Canucks and his wacky ideas for potential draftees included the Sedins and Alex Edler.

In the 1990s while Harold Ballard was vowing that no Russian would ever be allowed to disgrace a Maple Leaf uniform by scoring goals and winning games, the Canucks were Team Glasnost, outfitting Igor Larionov and Vladimir Krutov in black and gold pyjamas. The Canucks drafted Larionov in '85 when the chances of a Russian playing for an NHL team were more remote than an NHL team playing in Florida.

During the 2010 Olympics, the Canucks had seven players named to their respective national teams and the Swedish general manager was mercilessly abused for not including Mikael Samuelsson in his line up. Only one team had more players in the Olympics, the San Jose Sharks -- with eight, four on Team Canada. The Canucks had to settle for seven players, spread across six teams. And the Canucks weren't just on the teams, most of them were standouts -- including gold-medal round rivals Ryan Kesler and Roberto Luongo.

So I guess that means if the Canucks can't be Canada's team, they'll just have to settle for being the world's. [Tyee]

[Noir]

What the fuck is with our obsession with what our rivaling Canadian cities think of us?

Who the fuck cares. TOR, CGY, EDM, MTL, OTT, WIN, won't be powerhouses anytime soon and any post season run will at best be cinderella-types if they're ever lucky enough.

The more we give attention about other cities' opinions, the more Vancouver's inferiority complex shows.

[orange7]

we'll take next one.

i didn't expect us to sweep them.

[kristianhay]

Lu needs to keep that five hole shut! He made some big saves though, expecting to him to play the full 60 minutes well on Sunday.

I say put the fourth line back to what we've had previous success with, IE: no Bolduc. CoHo has looked better out there imo, and has played more.

Ehrhoff will be a big loss if he doesn't play, though glad we have Ballard there to slot in if needed. Alberts/Rome is meh, not a fan of Rome really but hope he's alright!

Anyway, looking forward to a big (albeit early) game on Sunday!

[TheKingdom2000]

I really hope Ballard doesn't hold a grudge and plays his heart out.

[Tim Budong]

wutever
jokes on the Sharks for letting letting up 3goals like that. Yea it came on a PP, but a good hockey team doesnt let these things happen.

I would be insulted if the Canucks couldnt come back to at least within one judging by the usual trend
Jokes on you SJ.

[henry604]

nation of cif :)

Really? cool story bro!

[woob]

I noticed that since Ehrhoff left the game, we haven't been able to use our usual PP breakout (Ehrhoff drops to Hank in the neutral zone, then either skates into the zone or passes to Kes on the right wing). I hope this doesn't affect us long run, else I think Newell should run Bieksa in that spot for Hoff, since IMO he's our next fastest D-man.

[Tapioca]

I think we'll be okay in the series, but losing the 'Hoff for several games could hurt us. Ballard can skate and can look brilliant at times, but his play in the corners is suspect and will have trouble stopping San Jose's cycle game.

[Spidey]

The game wasn't that bad, but it sucked how the game was determined by the refs. I was very very impressed at how the Canucks kept battling and made it a close game, and respectable. When it was 3-0, I just didn't want it to end up like game 4 against the Hawks. The Canucks have since killed 8 straight pp's and the only glitch in their game tonight was the first period. They still need to be more disciplined, but the penalties went both ways. The only call I have an issue with, and it was the call that cost the Nucks, was the Burrows call. I still think it is ridiculous the goalie is hands off when they leave the crease to play the puck. the funny thing is, the goalie has the most protective gear on of all players on the ice, yet they are protected by officials like they are humpty dumpty.

I still have a lot of confidence and refuse to really blame anyone player for tonight's loss, like most fairweather fans do. Lu did not play bad. He could have stopped a couple of goals, but in the end, you can't really blame a goalie for letting in a goal during a PP. He made quite a bit of key saves and faced 38 shots. The Canucks have owned the Sharks 5 on 5, and the only period they had a blip was tonight's first.

Go get em Sunday boys!

[Iceman_2K]

With the equipment that he's using, I'm not surprised that he's choosing to play more technical, cut angles, and just do the simple things to make the save. The pads that he's wearing are longer and cover the lower end much more, but make it harder to do the acrobatic style.

Lu has altered his mechanics over the years here so he doesn't make those acrobatic saves often anymore. Frankly he's vulnerable when he does that now. Instead, a lot of his big and timely saves now look really simple. He is not a Tim Thomas/Hasek and wouldn't want him to be.

Are there flaws in his style still? Absolutely, and actually more noticeable than ever. Still he manages to find his way through.

[Tapioca]

Jeff Patterson on Team1040 is absolutely ripping Tanner Glass and good on him. :lol

[Spidey]

Oh ya... I hope Couture is out.. the hit looked pretty bad... He is a KEy guy for them

[Iceman_2K]

I thought it was a good game too - I think if there was a chance for Luongo to steal a period or have a break out period, it would have been period 1, since SJ was coming in hard. There really hasn't been much of a chance for Luongo to really steal a game, much less a period so far in the playoffs, considering how Vancouver's forwards and d-men have been very very effective. When you stand out there for long stretches with nothing to do, you cool off very quickly and its hard to get back in when the play moves back into your zone.

The game wasn't that bad, but it sucked how the game was determined by the refs. I was very very impressed at how the Canucks kept battling and made it a close game, and respectable. When it was 3-0, I just didn't want it to end up like game 4 against the Hawks. The Canucks have since killed 8 straight pp's and the only glitch in their game tonight was the first period. They still need to be more disciplined, but the penalties went both ways. The only call I have an issue with, and it was the call that cost the Nucks, was the Burrows call. I still think it is ridiculous the goalie is hands off when they leave the crease to play the puck. the funny thing is, the goalie has the most protective gear on of all players on the ice, yet they are protected by officials like they are humpty dumpty.

I still have a lot of confidence and refuse to really blame anyone player for tonight's loss, like most fairweather fans do. Lu did not play bad. He could have stopped a couple of goals, but in the end, you can't really blame a goalie for letting in a goal during a PP. He made quite a bit of key saves and faced 38 shots. The Canucks have owned the Sharks 5 on 5, and the only period they had a blip was tonight's first.

Go get em Sunday boys!

[AzNightmare]

With the equipment that he's using, I'm not surprised that he's choosing to play more technical, cut angles, and just do the simple things to make the save. The pads that he's wearing are longer and cover the lower end much more, but make it harder to do the acrobatic style.

Luongo's new goalie coach is teaching him different techniques...
But I don't think Luongo was an acrobatic style goalie to begin with, ever.

[Derek_N84]

I really hope Ballard doesn't hold a grudge and plays his heart out.

I think him holding a grudge will make him play better if anything. He's got to use this opportunity to solidfy himself onto the blueline, AV can't scratch him if he's playing well.

Time to rock my #4 jersey on Sunday :fuckyea:

[Iceman_2K]

He was a little bit, in 2007. Since then, he's played a more conservative butterfly style. It gets the job done, but its nothing like Tim Thomas, who can spin around and then make a reflex save.

[Iceman_2K]

Anyone still have the Third Red Skate jersey, besides me? lol

[Ronin]

I really hope Ballard doesn't hold a grudge and plays his heart out.

It would be incredibly dumb if he did. If he plays shitty, we lose. If he plays awesome, we have a shot at winning.

Regardless of how many games he plays now, if the Canucks win the Cup, his name is still on it. There's no way Ballard is a disruption in the room right now...I'm sure he knows what's at stake.

[Iceman_2K]

Even Manny's name will be on the cup when we win.

[Gumby]

Did you guys see one of SJ's version of the green men pull up his jersey to flash our player in the penalty box?

[Iceman_2K]

they had orange men and green men....lol

[Spidey]

Anyone still have the Third Red Skate jersey, besides me? lol

I saw one at Joey's today when I was eating a late lunch with a buddy.. It was 28... I guessed Noonan, but I was a year too late, and it was a Joey Kocur :D

[Iceman_2K]

Mine doesn't have a name or number on the back - but I wanted McLean when i originally got it....

[TRDood]

Did you guys see one of SJ's version of the green men pull up his jersey to flash our player in the penalty box?

There also was a green men inside a shark costume's jaw.


Bring TANEV! He played half of the regular season. I think he deserves to get a glimpse of the big stage. :fullofwin:

[tonyzoomzoom]

Ballard's been a good team player since day one, even though AV's got the hate-on for him. I hope he plays lights out once he gets his chance.

[Noir]

I thought it was a good game too - I think if there was a chance for Luongo to steal a period or have a break out period, it would have been period 1, since SJ was coming in hard. There really hasn't been much of a chance for Luongo to really steal a game, much less a period so far in the playoffs, considering how Vancouver's forwards and d-men have been very very effective. When you stand out there for long stretches with nothing to do, you cool off very quickly and its hard to get back in when the play moves back into your zone.

It's still the lesser of two (maybe 3) evils, which is what we should prefer; rather than being under constant seige and fatiguing as the game goes on; or back and forth scoring chances like TB and BOS Game 1.

It came down to a 1 goal game again. The point is, he's not a scrub so mediocre or "good enough" expectations aren't the standards set for him. If people ever want to respect him along the same pedestal as Roy or Brodeur, "he" has to be a big factor why his team winning.

As of now, he's just one of those goaltenders that keeps you in the game, but for a team with league leading offense and league enviable defensive depth, that's not really reflecting much for him at all.

[Simulated]

i hope ehrhoff isn't hurt too badly. i didn't even see what happened. i hope AV saying ehrhoff not playing game 4 is just the opposite of TM saying eager was playing game 3 but did not. regardless i'm glad to see ballard possibly back in the lineup.

[Iceman_2K]

I think he's more of a goalie that keeps the game going for the Canucks, rather than keeping them IN the game. A goalie that keeps you IN the game is Pekka Renne, where he had nothing in front of him that helped, and if it wasn't for him, Nashville would have been eliminated in a sweep.

It's still the lesser of two evils (which is what we should prefer); rather than being under constant seige and fatiguing as the game goes on; or back and forth scoring chances like TB and BOS Game 1.

It came down to a 1 goal game again. The point is, he's not a scrub so mediocre or "good enough" expectations aren't the standards set for him. If people ever want to respect him along the same pedestal as Roy or Brodeur, "he" has to be a big factor why his team winning.

As of now, he's just one of those goaltenders that keeps you in the game, but for a team with league leading offense and league enviable defensive depth, that's not really reflecting much for him at all.

[woob]

^ That's who Luongo needs to be every night before the fans finally get off his back. I'm pretty indifferent to his play. I felt like the D needed to tighten up a bit on a couple of the goals (Clowe ALL BY HIMSELF), but Lu didn't look his best tonight either.

[Bonka]

Yeah Lu needs to be that every night, but so does every player BUT everyone will have their off nights. It just happens. The Canucks have shown their resiliency and character by having bounce-back performances so I expect much of the same (like what we saw in the 3rd or 5 on 5) including a more disciplined showing on Sunday.

[shawn79]

http://www.totalprosports.com/2011/05/19/15-hilarious-nhl-gifs/

[SkinnyPupp]

http://www.totalprosports.com/2011/05/19/15-hilarious-nhl-gifs/
The commentary is really ignorant (I don't think the writer has ever seen hockey before), even their title image says "NBA GIFs". But there are some gems on there, including a lot of Canucks :lol

Ah, this is one of those lame turnkey image spam sites run from India. Makes sense

[EmperorIS]

one thing i love about the game is AV getting fuxing mad like shit

[AzNightmare]

There also was a green men inside a shark costume's jaw.


Bring TANEV! He played half of the regular season. I think he deserves to get a glimpse of the big stage. :fullofwin:

Tanev over Ballard?? :troll:

http://www.totalprosports.com/2011/05/19/15-hilarious-nhl-gifs/

An angry Ballard that's been benched too long is no good...

http://i.imgur.com/g0O0l.gif

http://i.imgur.com/B7Hjx.gif

:lol:lol:lol HOLY crap... this one made my day.

Can't even imagine what was happening originally..? He just looks high.

[iwantaskyline]

Can't really fault Luongo on any of the goals except the 4th one. Point shot through the legs isn't acceptable. Especially when your team is down 3 zip. I think I've said this before but I hate his body language after a goal. Lies on the ice and stares at the heavens like he's been shot with a gun. Just get up and drink your gatorade.

We lost, but we lost missing our top d-man for half the game. We also only had 4-dman the last 7 mins of the game as well. We're gonna come back on Sunday more disciplined, already knowing the atmosphere in the San Jose crowd and we're going to have 6 healthy d-man. Juice and Hammer will probably play 30 each due to Ehroff and Rome being out. Ballard and Alberts in.

[kristianhay]

Can't really fault Luongo on any of the goals except the 4th one. Point shot through the legs isn't acceptable. Especially when your team is down 3 zip. I think I've said this before but I hate his body language after a goal. Lies on the ice and stares at the heavens like he's been shot with a gun. Just get up and drink your gatorade.

We lost, but we lost missing our top d-man for half the game. We also only had 4-dman the last 7 mins of the game as well. We're gonna come back on Sunday more disciplined, already knowing the atmosphere in the San Jose crowd and we're going to have 6 healthy d-man. Juice and Hammer will probably play 30 each due to Ehroff and Rome being out. Ballard and Alberts in.

Like I said before, hopefully that was the last weak five hole goal he lets in. Point shot going tweens is acceptable granted there's traffic in front/it's tipped, but there was literally no traffic nor a tip today. I'm sure we'll see him tighten that up. Regardless, he played a good game and made some big saves. Obviously when you give the opposing team 10 powerplay opportunities, your goalie can only do so much. We all know Lu is capable of being a good tendy, hopefully we see more of it!

[b0unce. [?]]

There also was a green men inside a shark costume's jaw.


Bring TANEV! He played half of the regular season. I think he deserves to get a glimpse of the big stage. :fullofwin:

Personally I like Tanev's play. I think he's really solid and stepped up big during the reg season when almost all our defenceman were out.

[punkwax]

I think Ballard is going to step up and play lights out. If he does, he should slide in nicely for Ehrhoff. He took ownership of his play that resulted in previous healthy scratches and it's that kind of attitude that helps win playoff games. No excuses, everyone is responsible.

[Simulated]

ehrhoff likely has separated shoulder and rome obviously with concussion.

[Derek_N84]

;7442291']Personally I like Tanev's play. I think he's really solid and stepped up big during the reg season when almost all our defenceman were out.

I like Tanev a lot too! I think he pairs with Ballard really well actually. Plus Ballard some what was his mentor when he was brought in, definitely some chemistry there too.

I still prefer Alberts for now though, the bigger body should be better against the Shark's forcheck.
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[spoon.ek9]

i was thinking about this yesterday and i honestly wonder if alberts will be put in. one of our key advantages this series is defensive mobility. alberts is a big guy and a good dman but i'm not sure if he can keep up with the pace at this level. that being said, i wouldn't be surprised to see alberts and ballard slide in for rome and ehrhoff.

this team has dealt with injuries on the back end all year long, this is nothing new to them!

[orange7]

I guess this is why we have 4.2 mill ballard.

To lay out towels on seats when we have a healthy group of dman and to skate on ice when we have blueline injuries.

[Spidey]

Yeah Lu needs to be that every night, but so does every player BUT everyone will have their off nights. It just happens. The Canucks have shown their resiliency and character by having bounce-back performances so I expect much of the same (like what we saw in the 3rd or 5 on 5) including a more disciplined showing on Sunday.

you are correct.

What people who have never played the game, or any sports for that matter, is that even though you TRY, some nights are not your night. And it can go both ways as well. You can be as lucky as sh*t and get 4 pts even though you had 4 mins of ice time, and it was your linemates that were ripping it up and you happened to get a 2nd assist. As for goalies, luck can make you look REAL good. Of course, it all can balance out, but that is why I am so annoyed at people who love Lu/Sedins one night, and rip him/them apart the next. All in all, the Canucks have had a brilliant, record setting season at this point. Within the regular season records, and so far their great playoff run, they had speed bumps along the way.. You are not going to go 82-0 in the regular season, nor are you going to go 16-0 in the playoffs.


Especially now in the latter rounds of the playoffs, series' are expected to go 6-7 games. You are at a point where you are playing against a team that is basically a mirror image of yourself in terms of stats and winning ability. The best team in each series has ONE goal in mind, and that is to win 4 games before they lose 4 games.

Lastly, I believe Canuck "fans" take their team for granted. If you ask any fan whether they would accept a 7 game series win and a 6 game series win in the first 2 rounds of the playoffs, they will all say "hell ya!"... If you ask them if they would take a 2-1 lead in the WCF, no one would turn that down. The Nucks are 2 games away from making it to the big show... and will have had to lose 4 out of 5 to be knocked out by San Jose. Besides Detroit and Nj and a couple of other teams, it is very rare a team to get to the WCF and SCF year after year. So I think we should all be a bit more appreciative of the Canucks success. Yes, I want them to win it all, but I sure don't EXPECT them to win it. The reality is, it is so hard for any team to win the cup, let alone get to the WCF. I am just happy they are where they are now...

[Soundy]

@VanCanucks NAV Canada has just strung this large #Canucks banner at @YVRAIRPORT. Thanks for your incredible support! yfrog.com/h354kepj

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[Soundy]

you are correct.

What people who have never played the game, or any sports for that matter, is that even though you TRY, some nights are not your night. And it can go both ways as well. You can be as lucky as sh*t and get 4 pts even though you had 4 mins of ice time, and it was your linemates that were ripping it up and you happened to get a 2nd assist. As for goalies, luck can make you look REAL good. Of course, it all can balance out, but that is why I am so annoyed at people who love Lu/Sedins one night, and rip him/them apart the next. All in all, the Canucks have had a brilliant, record setting season at this point. Within the regular season records, and so far their great playoff run, they had speed bumps along the way.. You are not going to go 82-0 in the regular season, nor are you going to go 16-0 in the playoffs.


Especially now in the latter rounds of the playoffs, series' are expected to go 6-7 games. You are at a point where you are playing against a team that is basically a mirror image of yourself in terms of stats and winning ability. The best team in each series has ONE goal in mind, and that is to win 4 games before they lose 4 games.

Lastly, I believe Canuck "fans" take their team for granted. If you ask any fan whether they would accept a 7 game series win and a 6 game series win in the first 2 rounds of the playoffs, they will all say "hell ya!"... If you ask them if they would take a 2-1 lead in the WCF, no one would turn that down. The Nucks are 2 games away from making it to the big show... and will have had to lose 4 out of 5 to be knocked out by San Jose. Besides Detroit and Nj and a couple of other teams, it is very rare a team to get to the WCF and SCF year after year. So I think we should all be a bit more appreciative of the Canucks success. Yes, I want them to win it all, but I sure don't EXPECT them to win it. The reality is, it is so hard for any team to win the cup, let alone get to the WCF. I am just happy they are where they are now...

I can't thank this post enough times.

"As for goalies, luck can make you look REAL good."

And the opposite is true as well - just look at some of the weird stuff that got by Lu in the second round: over the net, bounced off Edler's arm and in... or a pass from BEHIND the goal line that went off a stick, off Lu's stick, off his leg, and in... and people are giving him crap because he didn't have those. WTF?

[kristianhay]

http://twitter.com/#!/RealKyper

With #Canucks injuries to Ehrhoff (possible separated shoulder) Rome (concussion) look for Chris Tanev to fly into SJ as early as today.

[rb]

The posters over at HFboards were joking that it'll be Alberts and Tanev for Game 2 over Ballard. ****, makes you wonder if Ballard nailed AV's wife or something.

[TheKingdom2000]

you are correct.

What people who have never played the game, or any sports for that matter, is that even though you TRY, some nights are not your night. And it can go both ways as well. You can be as lucky as sh*t and get 4 pts even though you had 4 mins of ice time, and it was your linemates that were ripping it up and you happened to get a 2nd assist. As for goalies, luck can make you look REAL good. Of course, it all can balance out, but that is why I am so annoyed at people who love Lu/Sedins one night, and rip him/them apart the next. All in all, the Canucks have had a brilliant, record setting season at this point. Within the regular season records, and so far their great playoff run, they had speed bumps along the way.. You are not going to go 82-0 in the regular season, nor are you going to go 16-0 in the playoffs.


Especially now in the latter rounds of the playoffs, series' are expected to go 6-7 games. You are at a point where you are playing against a team that is basically a mirror image of yourself in terms of stats and winning ability. The best team in each series has ONE goal in mind, and that is to win 4 games before they lose 4 games.

Lastly, I believe Canuck "fans" take their team for granted. If you ask any fan whether they would accept a 7 game series win and a 6 game series win in the first 2 rounds of the playoffs, they will all say "hell ya!"... If you ask them if they would take a 2-1 lead in the WCF, no one would turn that down. The Nucks are 2 games away from making it to the big show... and will have had to lose 4 out of 5 to be knocked out by San Jose. Besides Detroit and Nj and a couple of other teams, it is very rare a team to get to the WCF and SCF year after year. So I think we should all be a bit more appreciative of the Canucks success. Yes, I want them to win it all, but I sure don't EXPECT them to win it. The reality is, it is so hard for any team to win the cup, let alone get to the WCF. I am just happy they are where they are now...

Like another member posted. When is the last time Luongo stole a game for us? He is getting paid $10million and has yet to perform out right crazy. ie. crawford in first round and rinne in second round had numerous lights out performances, whereas if it weren't for the guys infront of Lu we would have been out a long time ago imo.

I definitely do not take our team for granted. I honestly have a surge of emotions since I don't really remember the 94 cup run since I was too young to appreciate it. I LOVE the Canucks as do many Vancouverites. But, Luongo has been good in these playoff's. I would not say he has been outright spectacular.

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[Soundy]

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[Tapioca]

i was thinking about this yesterday and i honestly wonder if alberts will be put in. one of our key advantages this series is defensive mobility. alberts is a big guy and a good dman but i'm not sure if he can keep up with the pace at this level. that being said, i wouldn't be surprised to see alberts and ballard slide in for rome and ehrhoff.

this team has dealt with injuries on the back end all year long, this is nothing new to them!

Alberts made some huge improvements in the off-season with respect to his mobility. When he did play this season, he was able to move the puck when it was in the corners. He is also a better hitter than Rome.

I'm actually concerned about Sami Salo. He is still very crafty, but his inability to turn is really putting us in a bind, especially if we lose battles on pinches in the offensive zone.

[Spidey]

I can't thank this post enough times.

"As for goalies, luck can make you look REAL good."

And the opposite is true as well - just look at some of the weird stuff that got by Lu in the second round: over the net, bounced off Edler's arm and in... or a pass from BEHIND the goal line that went off a stick, off Lu's stick, off his leg, and in... and people are giving him crap because he didn't have those. WTF?

It's the nature of the beast, the position of goaltending... Comes with the territory.. I can't remember the last time I blamed a goalie for losing a hockey game for us...Nor do I remember the last time I was blamed, as goalie, for losing a game for my team. Player's will never blame a goalie for losing, like fans do.

[Soundy]

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[Spidey]

Alberts made some huge improvements in the off-season with respect to his mobility. When he did play this season, he was able to move the puck when it was in the corners. He is also a better hitter than Rome.

I'm actually concerned about Sami Salo. He is still very crafty, but his inability to turn is really putting us in a bind, especially if we lose battles on pinches in the offensive zone.

I rather have Alberts in than Rome.

[Iceman_2K]

Kinda makes me wonder if Vancouver fans were more supportive of the goalies during the 95 to 2006 years we wouldn't have had such a turnover in goalies coming and going.

It's the nature of the beast, the position of goaltending... Comes with the territory.. I can't remember the last time I blamed a goalie for losing a hockey game for us...Nor do I remember the last time I was blamed, as goalie, for losing a game for my team. Player's will never blame a goalie for losing, like fans do.

[TheKingdom2000]

It's the nature of the beast, the position of goaltending... Comes with the territory.. I can't remember the last time I blamed a goalie for losing a hockey game for us...Nor do I remember the last time I was blamed, as goalie, for losing a game for my team. Player's will never blame a goalie for losing, like fans do.

Just because no one blames you for the loss does not mean you didn't play poorly.
I've played a few times where the goalie let in terrible goals and clearly lost the game for our team, but no one says anything to the goalie.

It's easy to say the defense played poorly or offense didn't play well because they're a unit and you're not singling anyone out per se. But, as a goalie it's only you. So it is extremely rare for someone to say the goalie was weak. People generally feel bad for singling players out.. Unless you're JR.

[Iceman_2K]

Thats true. The goalie is the only person on the team (unless you're freaking lucky) that can't contribute to adding goals for your team on the scoreboard.

[Timewav3zer0]

tampa caught up!!

[mickz]

Anyone still have the Third Red Skate jersey, besides me? lol

I still have two, one gamer and one retail 550. I just sold my Bure replica a couple days ago. Getting another gamer when the team comes back after game 4.

[RiceIntegraRS]

Like another member posted. When is the last time Luongo stole a game for us? He is getting paid $10million and has yet to perform out right crazy. ie. crawford in first round and rinne in second round had numerous lights out performances, whereas if it weren't for the guys infront of Lu we would have been out a long time ago imo.


So what if Luongo is getting paid 10million this season, if Niemi made 15 Million would that make it ok for Luongo to lose to him? Hell if Luongo made 1 Million a season the city of Vancouver would still be all over him. Unless your the Aquilinis, it shouldnt matter to anyone how much a player makes. Its all about performance and Luongo in my mind has been playing well this playoff, a couple bad games here and there but hes had 2 Shutouts, and a bunch of 1-2 goal games. What more can u ask for? It seems like unless Luongo gets a shutout, hes not the reason why they won the game. And if we lose, hes the #1 reason why we lost.

[Spidey]

Just because no one blames you for the loss does not mean you didn't play poorly.
I've played a few times where the goalie let in terrible goals and clearly lost the game for our team, but no one says anything to the goalie.

It's easy to say the defense played poorly or offense didn't play well because they're a unit and you're not singling anyone out per se. But, as a goalie it's only you. So it is extremely rare for someone to say the goalie was weak. People generally feel bad for singling players out.. Unless you're JR.

if you've ever played goal, you would have a new found appreciation for the position

[cressydrift]

I thought Hamhuis and Hansen were the best Canucks on the ice last night.

Just got to get pucks deep, go hard to the net, stay out of the sin bin and keep it simple.

Lu played good, although Boyle's goal was a bit of a softy but... thats life.

[MarkyMark]

Playing goal is fucking hard. With all those pads on you never know where the puck is in a scramble, and when shit gets busy in front of you it's very tiring. Theres a reason why theres only a handful of elite goalies out there.
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[Tapioca]

The problem with goalies in Vancouver is that we've had two examples of goalies who played epically in the playoffs: Captain Kirk and to a lesser extent, King Richard. We have seen goalies steal games for us in the playoffs (e.g. McLean in Game 1 in the finals) and until we see that in Luongo, he will never be respected.

[Gumby]

Holy smokes, the banner hanging on the control tower is massive...

[Spidey]

bolts lead!!!!!!!!!

[Spidey]

The problem with goalies in Vancouver is that we've had two examples of goalies who played epically in the playoffs: Captain Kirk and to a lesser extent, King Richard. We have seen goalies steal games for us in the playoffs (e.g. McLean in Game 1 in the finals) and until we see that in Luongo, he will never be respected.

You shouldn't need a goalie to constantly steal you games... Lu did it one year for the Canucks, but we still lost.. I rather have what we have now... a solid 1-4 line and 2-3 defense pairings, and a goalie that is just solid and not necessarily a game stealer..

Look how far the Preds got with a game stealing goalie...

[Greenstoner]

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woah, is this pic for real at the lion's gate ???

[spoon.ek9]

i wish "fans" would understand how insignificant the number $10 million is in the grand scheme of things. unless his cap hit is $10 million for 12 years, your argument using this number is completely and utterly useless.

[woob]

woah, is this pic for real at the lion's gate ???

Yes.

[spideyv2]

I had the Bolts beating the Bruins in 6, hopefully i'm right

[darkfroggy]

Luongo didn't even play THAT bad.

0.895 SV% is not terrible for an off-night, Niemi only had 0.900% SV. Yet nobody is crowding around and saying Niemi sucks, etc.

Whenever it's a 3+ goal game, people start blaming Luongo like no tomorrow.

[spideyv2]

Luongo didn't even play THAT bad.

0.895 SV% is not terrible for an off-night, Niemi only had 0.900% SV. Yet nobody is crowding around and saying Niemi sucks, etc.

Whenever it's a 3+ goal game, people start blaming Luongo like no tomorrow.

niemi made some incredible saves while we were on the powerplay.
we could have easily tied it up if niemi was playing horrible

[Simulated]

yes but niemi does get too much praise than he deserves.
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[spoon.ek9]

^ and yet, we still got 2 goals on the 5 min powerplay. anyone who watched the regular season will not be surprised our 5 on 3 is ineffective. we literally had ONE 5 on 3 goal through the whole season and it was against the bottom feeding oilers.

[Bonka]

The years after McLean deteriorated and we had the likes of Potvin, Burke, Irbe, Snow, Cloutier, etc, etc try to fill in the #1 spot, and the fans calling out the team to find that pinnacle goalie. We got him in Luongo, dumped a bunch of money to keep him and fans still complain.

Like I said before, even if Luongo wins the cup with the Canucks, the minds of the fans are so cemented in that nothing will change the way the haters will see Luongo. Really the way he came in and stole the show the first season really did him over it seems.

[spideyv2]

^ and yet, we still got 2 goals on the 5 min powerplay. anyone who watched the regular season will not be surprised our 5 on 3 is ineffective. we literally had ONE 5 on 3 goal through the whole season and it was against the bottom feeding oilers.

that's a painful stat to look at

[punkwax]

The years after McLean deteriorated and we had the likes of Potvin, Burke, Irbe, Snow, Cloutier, etc, etc try to fill in the #1 spot, and the fans calling out the team to find that pinnacle goalie. We got him in Luongo, dumped a bunch of money to keep him and fans still complain.

Like I said before, even if Luongo wins the cup with the Canucks, the minds of the fans are so cemented in that nothing will change the way the haters will see Luongo. Really the way he came in and stole the show the first season really did him over it seems.

Agreed. Just like Olympic Gold, Luongo will have nothing to do with the win, he'll just be along for the ride....
:failed:

[spideyv2]

no suspension for McGinn? :facepalm:

[LUUUUUUUU]

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[Gh0stRider]

Wow....ATL fans burn a jets sign. How classy!
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[Hondaracer]

The problem with goalies in Vancouver is that we've had two examples of goalies who played epically in the playoffs: Captain Kirk and to a lesser extent, King Richard. We have seen goalies steal games for us in the playoffs (e.g. McLean in Game 1 in the finals) and until we see that in Luongo, he will never be respected.

kirk who?

Luongo already owns basically every stat that matters for Canuck goalies and he will have every stat here once he's done

Why do we revere Mclean when he's won the same that Luongos won? nothing.

Mclean had one season where he got over 28 wins, he's NOT as good of a goalie as Luongo thats a certainty, just because he was part of a team that went to the finals, people like remember him as if he had actually won somthing..

[Spidey]

kirk who?

Luongo already owns basically every stat that matters for Canuck goalies and he will have every stat here once he's done

Why do we revere Mclean when he's won the same that Luongos won? nothing.

Mclean had one season where he got over 28 wins, he's NOT as good of a goalie as Luongo thats a certainty, just because he was part of a team that went to the finals, people like remember him as if he had actually won somthing..

It is because mcLean was a good guy.. like someone mentioned earlier... lu has been a prick to the media at times and in the past..

[Hondaracer]

well do you want your superstar goalie to be cocky/confident or a push over/media darling?

personally i couldnt care less either way but i think alot of people read way too much into off-ice persona

And i hate making arguments for Lu when i have a Lu avatar because it makes it seem like i'm just riding his dick lol

[TheKingdom2000]

Wow....ATL fans burn a jets sign. How classy!
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[spideyv2]

kirk who?

Luongo already owns basically every stat that matters for Canuck goalies and he will have every stat here once he's done

Why do we revere Mclean when he's won the same that Luongos won? nothing.

Mclean had one season where he got over 28 wins, he's NOT as good of a goalie as Luongo thats a certainty, just because he was part of a team that went to the finals, people like remember him as if he had actually won somthing..

I was too young to remember the 94 run but didn't McLean always come to give his 100% every game? Luongo is a proven regular season goalie, he has shown he can win us games in the playoffs but the previous 2 Chicago series in 09 and 10 were brutal
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[spideyv2]

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People in the south have a tendency to hang and burn things they don't like...

[shawn79]

KKK

[carisear]

kirk who?

Luongo already owns basically every stat that matters for Canuck goalies and he will have every stat here once he's done

Why do we revere Mclean when he's won the same that Luongos won? nothing.

Mclean had one season where he got over 28 wins, he's NOT as good of a goalie as Luongo thats a certainty, just because he was part of a team that went to the finals, people like remember him as if he had actually won somthing..


as i have said many times before, it is because he got us within 2 goals of winning the stanley cup.

until lu can better that, he will never be as good as mclean.

[punkwax]

as i have said many times before, it is because he got us within 2 goals of winning the stanley cup.

until lu can better that, he will never be as loved as mclean.

Fixed.

Luongo is a far superior goalie. There's no argument. Stats are facts.
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[MarkyMark]

If lu gets within one goal of winning the stanley cup and loses he will never get the same respect in this town, its cup or bust for him
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[spideyv2]

Fixed.

Luongo is a far superior goalie. There's no argument. Stats are facts.
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Stats are stats

Lu has shown he can dominate in the regular season, definitely not in the playoffs. Enough said

[shawn79]

btw has anyone seen these new era canucks snapbacks in town?
i have to get them :cry:
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[pastarocket]

Canucks win game 4 if they stay out of the penalty box, score on power play, hit the shit out of Marleau, heatley, and Thornton. D men need to be active and step up on offense. Bieksa and Hamhuis, Salo and Edler, step up boys! Sedins, get back on the scoring sheet!

[cliffhanger33]

Hell ya excited for tmr's early game, gna wake up "early" ;) instead of sleeping in

[Bonka]

I was too young to remember the 94 run but didn't McLean always come to give his 100% every game? Luongo is a proven regular season goalie, he has shown he can win us games in the playoffs but the previous 2 Chicago series in 09 and 10 were brutal
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Stats are stats

Lu has shown he can dominate in the regular season, definitely not in the playoffs. Enough said

What the hell makes you think Lu hasn't and isn't giving his 100%? Because he let's in suspect goals? Please.

You might want to bone up and find out about the Canucks in 1982 and 1994 (you know, YouTube, Wiki, etc) before you go off and crap all over someone. The fact that you openly admit your ignorance shows what little credibility you have in what you've said. If you're going to dump on someone, know the facts first.

Lu is proving right now that he can become a playoff performer. Give him time to write his own history.

[DanHibiki]

Stats are stats

Lu has shown he can dominate in the regular season, definitely not in the playoffs. Enough said

Last I checked he won 2 playoff series this year and is up 2-1 in the 3rd round...

Despite those two stinkers his SV% is .915 and his GAA is 2.40.


And how bout all those Lu-haters-Niemi-lovers? Niemi SV% is .900 and his GAA is 3.18.

Sometimes I wish Luongo would ask to be traded just to show the haters how much we need him.

[spoon.ek9]

interesting fact:

Out of the top 10 highest paid NHL goalies (cap hit), Luongo is ranked 9th.

1 Henrik Lundqvist NY Rangers 28 ----------$6,875,000 $7,750,000
2 Cam Ward Carolina 26 ---------------------$6,300,000 $5,000,000
3 Ryan Miller Buffalo 29 ---------------------$6,250,000 $6,250,000
T4 Niklas Backstrom Minnesota 32 -------------$6,000,000 $6,000,000
Jean-Sebastien Giguere Toronto 33 ------$6,000,000 $7,000,000
6 Miikka Kiprusoff Calgary 33 ---------------$5,833,000 $7,000,000
7 Tomas Vokoun Florida 33 ---------------$5,700,000 $6,300,000
8 Cristobal Huet Chicago 34 ---------------$5,625,000 $5,625,000
9 Roberto Luongo Vancouver 31 ---------$5,333,000 $10,000,000
10 Martin Brodeur New Jersey 38 ----------$5,200,000 $5,200,000

[Iceman_2K]

And Luongo's GAA in the regular season was 2.11. Luongo can't even ask to be traded since he asked for a no trade clause in his contract that only allows for it if both parties agree, and I don't believe the organization right now would let him go even if he wanted to.

Last I checked he won 2 playoff series this year and is up 2-1 in the 3rd round...

Despite those two stinkers his SV% is .915 and his GAA is 2.40.


And how bout all those Lu-haters-Niemi-lovers? Niemi SV% is .900 and his GAA is 3.18.

Sometimes I wish Luongo would ask to be traded just to show the haters how much we need him.

[SkinnyPupp]

interesting fact:

Out of the top 10 highest paid NHL goalies (cap hit), Luongo is ranked 9th.

1 Henrik Lundqvist NY Rangers 28 ----------$6,875,000 $7,750,000
2 Cam Ward Carolina 26 ---------------------$6,300,000 $5,000,000
3 Ryan Miller Buffalo 29 ---------------------$6,250,000 $6,250,000
T4 Niklas Backstrom Minnesota 32 -------------$6,000,000 $6,000,000
Jean-Sebastien Giguere Toronto 33 ------$6,000,000 $7,000,000
6 Miikka Kiprusoff Calgary 33 ---------------$5,833,000 $7,000,000
7 Tomas Vokoun Florida 33 ---------------$5,700,000 $6,300,000
8 Cristobal Huet Chicago 34 ---------------$5,625,000 $5,625,000
9 Roberto Luongo Vancouver 31 ---------$5,333,000 $10,000,000
10 Martin Brodeur New Jersey 38 ----------$5,200,000 $5,200,000
FOR 12 FUCKING YEARS dude.

Nobody is saying Luongo is "not good". The point is, he has NOT "won a game for them". He has been "solid in net" at best, and when the team is playing well, that's plenty good enough. When they have an off game (like yesterday), they are guaranteed to lose. If he had not let in that five-hole goal from the point, it would have gone into overtime for instance.

His GAA and SV% are excellent because they played a round against Nashville, who do not have the ability to score non-fluky goals.

To expect miraculous games from Luongo is maybe expecting too much. But how many cup winning teams in the past got the occasional miracle goalie performance or two during their runs? So far, we haven't seen that from Lu. He's been solid at best, mostly 'just good enough', and occasionally pretty bad.

[Vansterdam]

lol@ trade luongo comments

[spideyv2]

What the hell makes you think Lu hasn't and isn't giving his 100%? Because he let's in suspect goals? Please.

You might want to bone up and find out about the Canucks in 1982 and 1994 (you know, YouTube, Wiki, etc) before you go off and crap all over someone. The fact that you openly admit your ignorance shows what little credibility you have in what you've said. If you're going to dump on someone, know the facts first.

Lu is proving right now that he can become a playoff performer. Give him time to write his own history.

haha tone it down there roid rage
I'm not shitting on Luongo, i'm saying from the looks of it Luongo isn't the same playoff goaltender McLean was, or at least what McLean was in 94. I remember Luongo having a solid playoff in 07, and in 09 he was looking good until round 2 where he lets in 7 goals in an elimination game. Than in 2010 where he was having another good first round until the Hawks came around in round 2 where he lets in 5 goals in an elimination game (although we only scored 1 goal). Than this year, in the first round against the Hawks he gets pulled twice in the series, allowing 6 goals in game 4 and 4 goals in game 5. I'm not gonna lie though, he had a very good game 7 and looked very relaxed and confident out there.

I think he played pretty good against the Predators despite some of those weird/weak goals. Same could be said against the Sharks, a couple questionable goals but otherwise he's been playing alright.

Once again, i'm not shitting on Lu, but he hasn't proven to be a solid playoff goaltender YET.

[Noir]

interesting fact:

Out of the top 10 highest paid NHL goalies (cap hit), Luongo is ranked 9th.

1 Henrik Lundqvist NY Rangers 28 ----------$6,875,000 $7,750,000
2 Cam Ward Carolina 26 ---------------------$6,300,000 $5,000,000
3 Ryan Miller Buffalo 29 ---------------------$6,250,000 $6,250,000
T4 Niklas Backstrom Minnesota 32 -------------$6,000,000 $6,000,000
Jean-Sebastien Giguere Toronto 33 ------$6,000,000 $7,000,000
6 Miikka Kiprusoff Calgary 33 ---------------$5,833,000 $7,000,000
7 Tomas Vokoun Florida 33 ---------------$5,700,000 $6,300,000
8 Cristobal Huet Chicago 34 ---------------$5,625,000 $5,625,000
9 Roberto Luongo Vancouver 31 ---------$5,333,000 $10,000,000
10 Martin Brodeur New Jersey 38 ----------$5,200,000 $5,200,000

Okay this point has gotta stop.

This is a moot point because his cap hit is just a stroke of luck. It was a cap-circumventing contract that was under investigation and was luckily grandfathered in; just.

If it weren't for that stroke of luck, by length of contract, everyone knows what pedestal Lu puts himself in by his asking price.


Do people really think he would've stayed here for you guys for $5M? 2 Art Ross trophy winners sure would.




Until this guy gets his humility back, I sure as hell wouldn't mind if he gets traded away. I mean, Ben Eager scored his goal on Game 2 because Luongo flops at every contact.

Yes Eager's a 200lber, but I've seen goalies battle through worse. I agree it should've been goalie interference when he crashed the net for rebounds but if you're priorities are to flop and sell the penalty rather than battle for the play, then I think you've got one hell of a sense of self entitlement around your crease.

I mean for fucks sakes, not only the league but even your own teammates crack jokes about that particular little quirk.

[punkwax]

Lu played what, 62 regular season games this year? Dude made $161290 per game.

That's earnings equivalent to 7.75 yrs of full time work at minimum wage.

Imagine all the berries picked in that amount of time! :fullofwin:
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[RiceIntegraRS]

McLean a playoff Goaltender? So almost pull a Cam Ward by having 1 good playoff and all of a sudden your a playoff Goalie and always remembered for being one?

[Mercy]

have a 2 - 1 lead in the western conferance finals... trade goalie

[spideyv2]

interesting fact:

Out of the top 10 highest paid NHL goalies (cap hit), Luongo is ranked 9th.

1 Henrik Lundqvist NY Rangers 28 ----------$6,875,000 $7,750,000
2 Cam Ward Carolina 26 ---------------------$6,300,000 $5,000,000
3 Ryan Miller Buffalo 29 ---------------------$6,250,000 $6,250,000
T4 Niklas Backstrom Minnesota 32 -------------$6,000,000 $6,000,000
Jean-Sebastien Giguere Toronto 33 ------$6,000,000 $7,000,000
6 Miikka Kiprusoff Calgary 33 ---------------$5,833,000 $7,000,000
7 Tomas Vokoun Florida 33 ---------------$5,700,000 $6,300,000
8 Cristobal Huet Chicago 34 ---------------$5,625,000 $5,625,000
9 Roberto Luongo Vancouver 31 ---------$5,333,000 $10,000,000
10 Martin Brodeur New Jersey 38 ----------$5,200,000 $5,200,000

You can also look at it like this. Having a 40 year old goalie who has a 5.3 mil cap hit, plus that $10mil beside his name looks ridiculous. Luongo is a good goalie, definitely better than Cloutier and Auld (god damn)

I remember when Mike Babcock said something about how he would never pay $7mill for a goalie..

[Noir]

I will agree with the apologists though that on a skill by skill basis Luongo > Maclean.

However, I think what the fans are asking is that post season X factor. Kind of like Trevor Linden pulling off 2 goals in Game 7 with his battered body; Or when Patrick Roy has a bad game and gets pissed, he just becomes an absolute wall.

Again, this is not Florida where we'll be happy with just not being blown out. This is a Stanley Cup team and people are putting Stanley Cup goaltender expectations on Lu. And if you're asking for elite player money, people are putting elite player expectations.




Anyways, it's not like Luongo is the only that's being singled out for criticism. Kesler has been critisized and answered the bell. The Sedins also received criticisms and are just answering the bell. Hell, even our depth scoring was criticized during the 1st series and they too answered the bell.

Goes to show that it's not Lu hate. Absolutely everyone is subject to criticism. Actually, as good as he was on the reg. season, I'm surprised not everyone has been mentioning Erhoff's post season thus far; I sure have been hearing a lot about Edler instead though.

[tonyzoomzoom]

between the fans whinning and the local media always looking to create controversy, pretty soon players won't want to come here and play. Imagine if we end up like where Edmonton or Calgary right now...

I know we all care and want to the team do play well every night; but stop complaining about this player or that player not pulling their weight or playing to their full potential and enjoy the moment. We're up 2-1 in the conference final for crying out loud !!

[Bonka]

Once again, i'm not shitting on Lu, but he hasn't proven to be a solid playoff goaltender YET.

Define a solid playoff goaltender then. Because if one is defined by having a cup ring, then we haven't had any. Lu is our best chance up to this point.

If you've ever seen McLean play you'll understand. His standup style was just about obsolete during that time when butterfly goalies were dominant and preferred. McLean let in the same type of suspect goals too and he gave us plenty of scares.

Schneider directly caused 2 goals in that Chicago game, but if it was Lu you guys would chase his ass out of here.

Regardless of what players we have, let's keep our faith in the team.
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[shawn79]

i rather have lundqvist and his contract


because i like this team to be all swedes :troll:

[spoon.ek9]

You can also look at it like this. Having a 40 year old goalie who has a 5.3 mil cap hit, plus that $10mil beside his name looks ridiculous. Luongo is a good goalie, definitely better than Cloutier and Auld (god damn)

I remember when Mike Babcock said something about how he would never pay $7mill for a goalie..

1. other than looking bad, how does that effect you or the team?
2. good, he can afford the most expensive goalie in the NHL then :lol

i bring the point of cap hit up because we ALL know that's the only number that really matters out of this. is luongo going to play all 12 years on the contract? i STRONGLY doubt it. does it matter that it was circumventing the cap? no, because nothing came of it (lucky or not, same result).

as long as people keep bringing up the $10,000,000 argument, i will continue to push the cap hit argument. it's as simple as that.

[shawn79]

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[Noir]

1. other than looking bad, how does that effect you or the team?
2. good, he can afford the most expensive goalie in the NHL then :lol

i bring the point of cap hit up because we ALL know that's the only number that really matters out of this. is luongo going to play all 12 years on the contract? i STRONGLY doubt it. does it matter that it was circumventing the cap? no, because nothing came of it (lucky or not, same result).

as long as people keep bringing up the $10,000,000 argument, i will continue to push the cap hit argument. it's as simple as that.

People aren't bring it up because they have issue with the cap hit. People are bringing it up because its the basis of their expectation.

With a huge piece of the pie, you have to consistently be the best player of your team. However, ever since we missed that one post-season, it's consistently been a Sedins show, or the Kesler show.

And we continue to throw our defense under the bus for every goal; despite having the best defensive squad in the league.





TBH, if cap restrictions ever put us in a situation that we had to shave the roster; and we had to choose between retaining our defensive squad or goalie, I'd vote retaining our defensive core. As much as the apologists like to throw our defense under the bus for every loss, coaches leaguewide respect our defense more than our goaltender.

Hey, wasn't Todd Mclellan's game 3 adjustments solely because of our defense? :D

[Iceman_2K]

We're talking about goalies from two different era's of the NHL. In the 10 years he was with Vancouver, McLean had two Vezina trophies (not in the 94 season), 2.74 GAA on his best year, and was named to the All Star Team twice (again not in the 94 season). We revere McLean because he was a good, consistent goalie for the era. He was the franchise goalie that was on the team for 10 years, which is a long time. A kid woulda started elementary school and finished high school in that time span. He had his ups and downs, and when he was good, he had shut out games. He also didn't have the best guys in front of him, but he did well, and kept the team in the game, rather than keep the game going.


Luongo has a GAA of 2.11 this year before the playoffs. That's pretty low. Whether its because of skill, or because of the team in front of him, its still a very low GAA. But Luongo has to have a breakout period. With the Canucks as they are now, he will not have a chance to have a breakout game - unless the team drops like flies left and right. He had a chance to have a breakout period in period 1 of Game 3, and it could have gone better. But he kept the team going, and Vancouver finished 3-4 by the end of the game. However, his chance to silence the critics was in period 1 of Game 3. Rather than being a goalie that keeps the game going, he should have strove to be the goalie that keeps the team in the game. Goalies like Pekka Rinne and Ed Belfour keep the team in the game. A goalie like Patrick Roy (when he was in Colorado) keeps the game going.

Was McLean as good as Luongo? Can't even ask the question - they belong to different era's of the NHL, and are good in each. Both play totally different styles of goaltending, and equipment is vastly different in each era. In McLean's best season, he won 38 games, and had a GAA of 2.74. In Luongo's best season so far, hes won 47 games, and GAA of 2.29. This year's regular season he's at 38 wins, and GAA of 2.11.

Luongo hasn't been here long enough - but he's getting there. Another 5 years, and he'll be in Vancouver as long as McLean did.


kirk who?

Luongo already owns basically every stat that matters for Canuck goalies and he will have every stat here once he's done

Why do we revere Mclean when he's won the same that Luongos won? nothing.

Mclean had one season where he got over 28 wins, he's NOT as good of a goalie as Luongo thats a certainty, just because he was part of a team that went to the finals, people like remember him as if he had actually won somthing..

[spideyv2]

Define a solid playoff goaltender then. Because if one is defined by having a cup ring, then we haven't had any. Lu is our best chance up to this point.

If you've ever seen McLean play you'll understand. His standup style was just about obsolete during that time when butterfly goalies were dominant and preferred. McLean let in the same type of suspect goals too and he gave us plenty of scares.

Schneider directly caused 2 goals in that Chicago game, but if it was Lu you guys would chase his ass out of here.

Regardless of what players we have, let's keep our faith in the team.
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Schneider is a rookie and isn't getting paid $10mill, neither does he have a $5mill cap hit. Expectation aren't high for him either, he's our backup goalie.

A playoff goalie to me would be someone like Patrick Roy, Brodeur, Hasek, Kipprusoff(jokes), in their prime.

Edit - Roloson also tends to show up during the playoffs (03 Wild, 06 Oilers, and he's been playing pretty well for the Bolts so far)

[tonyzoomzoom]

wow jeff brown and kirk mclean in the same room ?? :trollface:

[Gh0stRider]

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[spideyv2]

We're talking about goalies from two different era's of the NHL. In the 10 years he was with Vancouver, McLean had two Vezina trophies (not in the 94 season), 2.74 GAA on his best year, and was named to the All Star Team twice (again not in the 94 season). We revere McLean because he was a good, consistent goalie for the era. He was the franchise goalie that was on the team for 10 years, which is a long time. A kid woulda started elementary school and finished high school in that time span. He had his ups and downs, and when he was good, he had shut out games. He also didn't have the best guys in front of him, but he did well, and kept the team in the game, rather than keep the game going.


Luongo has a GAA of 2.11 this year before the playoffs. That's pretty low. Whether its because of skill, or because of the team in front of him, its still a very low GAA. But Luongo has to have a breakout period. With the Canucks as they are now, he will not have a chance to have a breakout game - unless the team drops like flies left and right. He had a chance to have a breakout period in period 1 of Game 3, and it could have gone better. But he kept the team going, and Vancouver finished 3-4 by the end of the game. However, his chance to silence the critics was in period 1 of Game 3. Rather than being a goalie that keeps the game going, he should have strove to be the goalie that keeps the team in the game. Goalies like Pekka Rinne and Ed Belfour keep the team in the game. A goalie like Patrick Roy (when he was in Colorado) keeps the game going.

Was McLean as good as Luongo? Can't even ask the question - they belong to different era's of the NHL, and are good in each. Both play totally different styles of goaltending, and equipment is vastly different in each era. In McLean's best season, he won 38 games, and had a GAA of 2.74. In Luongo's best season so far, hes won 47 games, and GAA of 2.29. This year's regular season he's at 38 wins, and GAA of 2.11.

Luongo hasn't been here long enough - but he's getting there. Another 5 years, and he'll be in Vancouver as long as McLean did.

lol last time I checked, the school system down here had 12 grades which is equivalent to 12 years.

[Noir]

Bottomline is Luongo is not alone.

It's the WCF and if possible, soon to be SCF and everyone is being pushed to a higher level of performance. The Sedins are being pushed to do better, Kesler, Grinders, defense in Bieksa, Hammer, et al. and Luongo.


However like BlueG2 has stated, a lot of fans (and possibly it's the non-hockey playing demographic) that are noticing goalies tend to operate under a bubble; That everyone is being pushed to play better except the goalie because he has to be insulated.

That special treatment makes sense to teammates as you'll never see teammates call out their goalies like they do in Lu (or like the whole team didn't for Cloutier), but that special treatment looks problematic in the eyes of outsiders because it breeds no change, or push for progress in the goaltending end.



However, I see the POV of the apologists in the hazards of chasing out your goaltender like MTL did Roy, but c'mon.... If Lu ever pulled off the same thing, who the hell does he think he is? Does he really already think he's in the same pedestal? I don't think so, and I don't see it happening unless he's actually THAT arrogant.

[cliffhanger33]

Shud posted this earlier but here is pic of game 2 against SJ
My seats sucked, but still, it was epic

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/225224_10150186586737543_504112542_7045694_6743046 _n.jpg

[Iceman_2K]

I wonder if a fight will break out....lol

[Soundy]

woah, is this pic for real at the lion's gate ???

That is real - there are a ton of different angles of it if you search Google Images. I went looking after a friend said she saw it yesterday.

[Soundy]

However, I see the POV of the apologists in the hazards of chasing out your goaltender like MTL did Roy, but c'mon.... If Lu ever pulled off the same thing, who the hell does he think he is? Does he really already think he's in the same pedestal? I don't think so, and I don't see it happening unless he's actually THAT arrogant.

Funny thing is, for as great as everyone considers Roy to be (or have been, in his day), and like to bring that up as a comparison when they start slagging on WHOEVER we have in net... the fact is, yes he was one of the greatest, but Roy had his share of TRULY SPECTACULAR brain farts as well, and most definitely lost Colorado a few games single-handedly.

[SkinnyPupp]

Funny thing is, for as great as everyone considers Roy to be (or have been, in his day), and like to bring that up as a comparison when they start slagging on WHOEVER we have in net... the fact is, yes he was one of the greatest, but Roy had his share of TRULY SPECTACULAR brain farts as well, and most definitely lost Colorado a few games single-handedly.
The difference being, Roy has won games for his teams single-handedly to go along with the brain farts. Luongo has just been farts.

[Iceman_2K]

I think the main point is "single-handedly". Luongo has yet to be the player that has taken over a game. Others, like Kessler, or the third line, have taken over a game.

[shawn79]

only time luongo has stolen a game was against dallas, his first year here in the playoffs

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[Grandmaster TSE]

we're not gonna trade luongo anytime soon, learn to deal with it and hope that him and the rest of the team play strong against the sharks and whoever wins the east and take the prize home

simple as that

[JesseBlue]

Man there are so many experts here! Cmon, how about just cheering for tomorrow's game... Go Canucks go

[cressydrift]

The San Jose Sharks had 11 power plays. The score was only 4-3. It would have been 7-3 if it weren't for Luongo.

[SkinnyPupp]

The San Jose Sharks had 11 power plays. The score was only 4-3. It would have been 3-3 if it weren't for Luongo.

Fixed.

[Oleophobic]

I've always thought luongo was overrated. A good goalie for sure, but overrated.
With that said, I have no hate against the guy or anything.

I do wish he would stop letting in those five-hole goals, flopping around whenever there's a scramble in front and letting in those "trickler" goals, and finally losing his stick every fuckin poke check.

Other than that, he's not bad. lol

[Spidey]

I think the main point is "single-handedly". Luongo has yet to be the player that has taken over a game. Others, like Kessler, or the third line, have taken over a game.

Like I said before, if you need ONE person on your team to single handedly take over games, you are in trouble fo the long haul.. Teams that rely on ONE player to take over games, will and can be shut down. Sure Kesler was superb, but he will be the first to admit that he wouldn't have been able to do it without his linemates. He can score 2-3 goals every game, but if his D isn't there stopping backstopping the team, his performance would be all for nothing.

[Spidey]

FOR 12 FUCKING YEARS dude.

Nobody is saying Luongo is "not good". The point is, he has NOT "won a game for them". He has been "solid in net" at best, and when the team is playing well, that's plenty good enough. When they have an off game (like yesterday), they are guaranteed to lose. If he had not let in that five-hole goal from the point, it would have gone into overtime for instance.

His GAA and SV% are excellent because they played a round against Nashville, who do not have the ability to score non-fluky goals.

To expect miraculous games from Luongo is maybe expecting too much. But how many cup winning teams in the past got the occasional miracle goalie performance or two during their runs? So far, we haven't seen that from Lu. He's been solid at best, mostly 'just good enough', and occasionally pretty bad.

Sorry, but your comments are ridiculously idiotic. You are lucky you don't have a fail button. Did you watch the TB Boston game today? Did you see all the "bad" goals that went in? When an objective viewer watches a game and sees a weird goal go in, they say, "shit that was unlucky"... when a fan that is emotionally involved/doesn't know shit, like yourself sees the same goal, they think "oh fuck what a slut, shut your legs".

It isn't Lu's fault he makes as much money he does. Who the fuck would turn down an offer of 5+ million if it was offered to them. The reason he hasn't stolen a game is because he hasn't really had to. And he hasn't had to make as many miraculous saves like he did when he played for a far inferior Canuck team in the past.

Looking at the top 10 highest paid goalies in the NHL, how many would you actually want in net instead of Lu? Miller Ward and Lundy are great goalies, but only Ward has won a cup, ONCE. Ever since then what has he done? What have any of those goalies done? Nothing. Don't get me wrong, they are all great goalies, but they still haven't done what Lu has done, except Ward. They are great goalies on mediocre-shit teams, and they are all golfing right now. So what does that really say?

Lu made keys saves that you could say "stole" games 1, 2, 3 from Chicago. Those games were a lot closer than most fans think. Game 7 he let in ONE goal. Sure teh Nucks outplayed the Hawks, but he made key saves, especially that PK in OT.

Goals fucking go in, in the game of hockey. It's the god damn playoffs, and the speed of the game is much higher and there are higher chance of mistakes because of increased forecheck and pressure. Hockey players, last I checked were human beings, and human beings make mistakes. If sports were all black and white, where the better team on paper wins all the time, do you think bookies would still be in existence?

Niemi is 1-2 this conference, and has been lit up like a xmas tree in all 3rd periods, this series... Lu is 2-1 and game 3 is the only game he let in more than 3 goals. I wouldn't blame any of the goals on him. Even if you say/think the 4th goal was weak.. they were killing a 5 on fucking 3, and if you know what it is like for the pk unit and the goalie on a 5 on 3, you know you are always moving laterally following the puck and because of that you get tired, so your reaction time isn't quite as fast!

[van19]

^

Exactly ! Everyone needs to stop criticizing & just enjoy the god damn run.
Wish I could thank you 100x times.

[BlackZRoadster]

lol last time I checked, the school system down here had 12 grades which is equivalent to 12 years.

Completely agree with you lol 10 years to finish kindergarten up to gr12 is not normal unless you take summer school or a genius.
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[SkinnyPupp]

Sorry, but your comments are ridiculously idiotic. You are lucky you don't have a fail button. Did you watch the TB Boston game today? Did you see all the "bad" goals that went in? When an objective viewer watches a game and sees a weird goal go in, they say, "shit that was unlucky"... when a fan that is emotionally involved/doesn't know shit, like yourself sees the same goal, they think "oh fuck what a slut, shut your legs".

It isn't Lu's fault he makes as much money he does. Who the fuck would turn down an offer of 5+ million if it was offered to them. The reason he hasn't stolen a game is because he hasn't really had to. And he hasn't had to make as many miraculous saves like he did when he played for a far inferior Canuck team in the past.

Looking at the top 10 highest paid goalies in the NHL, how many would you actually want in net instead of Lu? Miller Ward and Lundy are great goalies, but only Ward has won a cup, ONCE. Ever since then what has he done? What have any of those goalies done? Nothing. Don't get me wrong, they are all great goalies, but they still haven't done what Lu has done, except Ward. They are great goalies on mediocre-shit teams, and they are all golfing right now. So what does that really say?

Lu made keys saves that you could say "stole" games 1, 2, 3 from Chicago. Those games were a lot closer than most fans think. Game 7 he let in ONE goal. Sure teh Nucks outplayed the Hawks, but he made key saves, especially that PK in OT.

Goals fucking go in, in the game of hockey. It's the god damn playoffs, and the speed of the game is much higher and there are higher chance of mistakes because of increased forecheck and pressure. Hockey players, last I checked were human beings, and human beings make mistakes. If sports were all black and white, where the better team on paper wins all the time, do you think bookies would still be in existence?

Niemi is 1-2 this conference, and has been lit up like a xmas tree in all 3rd periods, this series... Lu is 2-1 and game 3 is the only game he let in more than 3 goals. I wouldn't blame any of the goals on him. Even if you say/think the 4th goal was weak.. they were killing a 5 on fucking 3, and if you know what it is like for the pk unit and the goalie on a 5 on 3, you know you are always moving laterally following the puck and because of that you get tired, so your reaction time isn't quite as fast!
Since you can't reply without calling me an "idiot" and "threatening" that you would "fail" my post, I am not going to bother to read past the first sentences. Instead, you :failed:

I've only ever made one point about Luongo, not even a criticism of his play, but a point about the results so far. I am willing to bet you didn't bother to notice that, and didn't reply to it.

Just blindly cheer them on and hope for the best I guess.

[scottsman]

The San Jose Sharks had 11 power plays. The score was only 4-3. It would have been 0-3 if it weren't for all of Vancouver's penalties.

Fixed.

What is the point of saying if Lu hadn't let in that 4th goal that the game would have been tied after the 5 on 3. If the 4th goal never happened then it is possible the 5 on 3 might not have happened and the game could have ended at 3 - 1 for SJ. Too many what ifs to make comments like that.

[kristianhay]

http://www.theprovince.com/sports/4823273.bin

SAN JOSE — Keith Ballard has been a good and loyal, if well-paid servant of the Vancouver Canucks this season, but on the eve of the biggest game he'll play for this team so far he was overcome with a bout of honesty.

With the injuries to Christian Ehrhoff and Aaron Rome Friday night, Ballard is expected to draw into the lineup along with Andrew Alberts unless the Canuck coaching staff pulls a total phantom move and goes with young Chris Tanev, a highly unlikely possibility. Still not having been officially told he's playing, Ballard was asked Saturday whether he felt he had the confidence of his coach Alain Vigneault.

“I don't know,” he responded honestly, when normally one would expect a yes from that question. “I can't tell you.”

He then went on beating himself up about how he hasn't played very well when he's been given the opportunity and hasn't been "as consistent as I need to be in the situations when I play."

For his part, Vigneault sang from the songsheet claiming confidence in Ballard and that the highly paid defender at $4.2 million hadn't played as much as he might have liked all season because there were better players ahead of him.

That's all very well, but it doesn't explain the differences in the way players have been treated. As soon as Ballard makes a mistake it's been the end of the world and he comes out whereas any number of others, most notably Rome, can make mistake after mistake with total impunity.

“Fair or unfair, that's the reality I'm faced with on mistakes,” he says. “Some guys like Hank and Danny can turn the puck over but because they're putting up 100 points they're obviously going to get more room and mistakes may not affect them as much. There's not a lot of room for error for me, that's the bottom line.”

Everyone can see it's been a stacked deck against Ballard for most of the season and it has seemed that every time he's been taken out of the lineup, he's come back and played even worse. Whereas the Canucks had hoped to bring him along from his surgery on his hip this past summer to a point where he'd be constantly improving by this point, instead it's been a season of further erosion in his game.

Last year, Ballard had a couple of severe shouting matches replete with 'bleep yous' exchanged at the top of the lungs with his coach Peter DeBoer in Florida but this season he claims to have gone the total Mahatma Gandhi route, not even meeting with Vigneault all season to discuss his shortage of playing time.

“I've just felt that coming to a team here, as deep as it is with this opportunity, I would put all things personal aside and just concentrate on doing what I could for the team in the role I've been given,” said Ballard.

And that's what he's done, but has that really served the needs of the team? Clearly if they go on to win the Cup and he's able to be a contributor in these crucial final games that will certainly have been the case. But if he struggles or the coach simply won't use him enough to the point where it impacts the play of the top four by virtue of fatigue, that passive stance will not have served anyone well, least of all Ballard and Vigneault.

For as long as Ehrhoff is out, at least, he'll have to play — and knowing that should help the player. But it's clear he is having all kinds of trouble making the transition from a guy who plays 22 minutes or so a night, like he has his whole career, to a fifth or sixth guy getting 12 minutes.

And the Canucks have had trouble with this in the past.

Mathieu Schneider came to Vancouver thinking his minutes would be a lot higher than they were, and in the end he simply told Vigneault he wasn't the guy the coach was looking for because he simply wasn't suited to that 12-minute role.

Next year, with a full summer of training and perhaps one of Ehrhoff or Kevin Bieksa having departed, things are likely to be completely different. But that's not what matters now. The question is can he play well enough to help the team and keep the heat off the top four, which now includes a 36-year-old Sami Salo, doubtless the next target in Jamie McGinn's sights?

“I'm a better player than I was in Florida,” says Ballard. “I'm sure I can still play very well in this league. My confidence . . . it's the one thing I haven't lost.”

http://www.theprovince.com/sports/Ballard+beats+himself+over+lacklustre+season/4823268/story.html

Poor Ballard man, I've always liked him since we acquired him. He seems like a good teammate and person, and his play has always been up there. He's a much better player than Rome, and if AV didn't have such a hard on for Rome he would likely have played the entirety of the playoffs. Here's hoping for him having a good game provided he plays tomorrow!

[Noir]

Sorry, but your comments are ridiculously idiotic. You are lucky you don't have a fail button. Did you watch the TB Boston game today? Did you see all the "bad" goals that went in? When an objective viewer watches a game and sees a weird goal go in, they say, "shit that was unlucky"... when a fan that is emotionally involved/doesn't know shit, like yourself sees the same goal, they think "oh fuck what a slut, shut your legs".

It isn't Lu's fault he makes as much money he does. Who the fuck would turn down an offer of 5+ million if it was offered to them. The reason he hasn't stolen a game is because he hasn't really had to. And he hasn't had to make as many miraculous saves like he did when he played for a far inferior Canuck team in the past.

Looking at the top 10 highest paid goalies in the NHL, how many would you actually want in net instead of Lu? Miller Ward and Lundy are great goalies, but only Ward has won a cup, ONCE. Ever since then what has he done? What have any of those goalies done? Nothing. Don't get me wrong, they are all great goalies, but they still haven't done what Lu has done, except Ward. They are great goalies on mediocre-shit teams, and they are all golfing right now. So what does that really say?

Lu made keys saves that you could say "stole" games 1, 2, 3 from Chicago. Those games were a lot closer than most fans think. Game 7 he let in ONE goal. Sure teh Nucks outplayed the Hawks, but he made key saves, especially that PK in OT.

Goals fucking go in, in the game of hockey. It's the god damn playoffs, and the speed of the game is much higher and there are higher chance of mistakes because of increased forecheck and pressure. Hockey players, last I checked were human beings, and human beings make mistakes. If sports were all black and white, where the better team on paper wins all the time, do you think bookies would still be in existence?

Niemi is 1-2 this conference, and has been lit up like a xmas tree in all 3rd periods, this series... Lu is 2-1 and game 3 is the only game he let in more than 3 goals. I wouldn't blame any of the goals on him. Even if you say/think the 4th goal was weak.. they were killing a 5 on fucking 3, and if you know what it is like for the pk unit and the goalie on a 5 on 3, you know you are always moving laterally following the puck and because of that you get tired, so your reaction time isn't quite as fast!

This is the problem with apologists.

If you're never going to put the blame on him, who does it fall under? His highly touted defensive corp, or maybe his all star forwards that can buy 3 goals per game; or how about a Selke calibre shut down line for 2 years running. Seriously, the only thing better than what Luongo has in front of him is a Team Canada roster where Sidney Crosby is a plug and Pronger as a depth defensemen.

As a longstanding Canuck fan, there's nothing more disheartening than to see your team get repeatedly thrown under the bus just because 1 player seems like he should be exempt from criticism.

[Soundy]

The difference being, Roy has won games for his teams single-handedly to go along with the brain farts. Luongo has just been farts.

Perhaps someone would care to quantify how a goaltender "steals a game". Does it require a 1-0 win with his team being outshot 56-12? Or does it just take that one key save in the late stages or in overtime? Or is there a set number of "key saves" that must be made to qualify as having "stolen the game"? Or does EVERY save have to be an amazing, stand-on-one's-head, highlight-of-the-week save? Let's have some hard numbers here, shall we, that can be backed up by the stats rather than just a bunch of haters' opinions.

BTW, G2 didn't call you an idiot, he said your comment was idiotic. There's a subtle but distinct difference. But you know, way to use that to duck his point - I'd say that was a key save right there. Stole the game and everything.
:sleepingzz:

[DanHibiki]

This is the problem with apologists.

If you're never going to put the blame on him, who does it fall under? His highly touted defensive corp, or maybe his all star forwards that can buy 3 goals per game; or how about a Selke calibre shut down line for 2 years running. Seriously, the only thing better than what Luongo has in front of him is a Team Canada roster where Sidney Crosby is a plug and Pronger as a depth defensemen.

Seriously as a longstanding Canuck fan, there's nothing more disheartening than to see your team get repeatedly thrown under the bus just because 1 player seems like he should be exempt from criticism.

Actually yes. You do put the blame on the likes of the forwards such as the Sedins who were invisible in the first two series. Or even Kesler, who despite played an excellent shut down role in the 1st series was unable to score a single goal and is now being totally outplayed by Joe Thornton.

And yes, even our highly touted defencemen's can be blamed. Edler and Ehrhoff had some noticeable bad games in both Chicago AND Nashville.

In 2007, it was all on Luongo. We went as far as Luongo playing like a god and stopping everything.

But now we have a good team with many different players contributing and stepping up each game when others have gone quiet. We are so deep on D that we have 9 defencemen's that can step in and play well. We don't need to rely on Lu alone.

Lets not forget the motto "play as a team, lose as a team."

This year it feels like it has finally sunk into the heads of the players and they are playing as a collective bunch.

[MarkyMark]

No goalies that are left right now are stealing any games. Roloson got pulled today, and then Thomas proceeded to get lit up for the loss. Niemi is making some good saves and then blowing the lead in the 3rd everytime it seems. Let's face it, the cup very well may not be won because one goalie was playing awesome.

[SkinnyPupp]

Perhaps someone would care to quantify how a goaltender "steals a game". Does it require a 1-0 win with his team being outshot 56-12? Or does it just take that one key save in the late stages or in overtime? Or is there a set number of "key saves" that must be made to qualify as having "stolen the game"? Or does EVERY save have to be an amazing, stand-on-one's-head, highlight-of-the-week save? Let's have some hard numbers here, shall we, that can be backed up by the stats rather than just a bunch of haters' opinions.

BTW, G2 didn't call you an idiot, he said your comment was idiotic. There's a subtle but distinct difference. But you know, way to use that to duck his point - I'd say that was a key save right there. Stole the game and everything.
:sleepingzz:
If you need to have someone explain to you how a goalie steals a game for his team, then maybe you need to watch a bit more hockey. And not just Canucks games.

[Oleophobic]

so excited for game 4

[Soundy]

If you need to have someone explain to you how a goalie steals a game for his team, then maybe you need to watch a bit more hockey. And not just Canucks games.

Wow, stole another one, well done.

Or maybe not.

See, it appears EVERYONE here has a different definition of what it means for a goalie to "steal a game". Somehow, I don't think "because SkinnyPupp says so" is in most hockey fans' dictionary.

Whiffed that one on the five-hole there, sport, but thanks for coming out.

[Oleophobic]

GAME 4 baby

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thanks to hfboards for picture

[EmperorIS]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjdERW3mfDQ

This is what AV's been benching for the ones that don't know who Ballard is

[scottsman]

all that video showed was Ballard with a bunch of low dirty hits to the knees.

[shawn79]

maybe ballard is our secret weapon in the stanley cup finals to crush the other teams player :troll:

then again he might have sore hip, which the team does not wish to let the public know about until after the playoffs

[cliffhanger33]

8 hours till game time :)

[SkinnyPupp]

Considering whether I should go to bed at like 9 and get up at 3am to watch the game, or just wait until the next day... hmmm

[Noir]

wait it out. Can't wait to get Game 3 behind and filed away.

[goo3]

It might help to judge how Luongo is playing if you watch the game again afterwards on CBC.ca without the emotions.

[scottsman]

Considering whether I should go to bed at like 9 and get up at 3am to watch the game, or just wait until the next day... hmmm

Game time starts at 2am for me. Might as well head out now and start drinking. Doesn't help that tomorrow is Monday.

[Noir]

5hrs to go. God I hope they ran some PK drills yesterday.

[TOS'd]

Game time starts at 2am for me. Might as well head out now and start drinking. Doesn't help that tomorrow is Monday.

But monday is a holiday.

[Simulated]

But monday is a holiday.

seeing that the game starts at 2 am for him i dont think he is in canada man.
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[orange7]

wtfff... game starts at 12?

! ! good thing i checked

[Vale46Rossi]

GOOOOOOOOOD MORNING EVERYBODY!


game 4 is up in 1 hour and 15 mins :D

Go Canucks Go

[woob]

This afternoon's game faces off at 12:00 pm PT and can be seen coast-to-coast in Canada on CBC's Hockey Night in Canada

Doesn't feel right, naw mean?

[TheKingdom2000]

http://www.thestar.com/videozone/995107--the-green-and-blue-men

Green + Blue men @ Jays game

definitely not as effective as our boys

[Spidey]

If you need to have someone explain to you how a goalie steals a game for his team, then maybe you need to watch a bit more hockey. And not just Canucks games.

Maybe you should actually play the sport and stop listening to analysts' rants about a sport they also have never played. And if you do play the sport, and have any idea how it is like to play every other day flying coast to coast getting bruised and battered, mentally and physically, then you can speak.

And I wasn't referring to you posts just on LUONGO, all your posts regarding/criticizing the Canucks are generic fairweather fan rants.

[EmperorIS]

i'm currently streaming pregame off ADTHETV.net but its pretty choppy

anyone have a more stable stream with better quality ready ?

[spoon.ek9]

anyone else notice that 89blkcivic changed his username and is no longer posting?

where'd you go old man?!

[EmperorIS]

anyone else notice that 89blkcivic changed his username and is no longer posting?

where'd you go old man?!

he got emo because he got over 100 fails on his acc

he said he told himself when he gets 100 fails he will leave RS and do something else..
he announced his departure after game 2 in chat

RIP.

[spoon.ek9]

seriously? wtf. must have been one of his other new years resolutions.

[seakrait]

he got emo because he got over 100 fails on his acc

he said he told himself when he gets 100 fails he will leave RS and do something else..
he announced his departure after game 2 in chat

RIP.

serious? that's a shame. :cry: i always look forward to his posts, the creepy old man that he is.

[spoon.ek9]

he's actually online right now haha. probably lurking this thread for now.

[LUUUUUUUU]

this will bring him back

http://www.vmknobs.com/Smileys/default/wave_towel.gifGO CANUCKS GO! http://www.vmknobs.com/Smileys/default/wave_towel.gif


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[seakrait]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjdERW3mfDQ

This is what AV's been benching for the ones that don't know who Ballard is

would like to this this in Game 4. as long as the sharks try to enter the zone by the boards. but some of those open ice hits were pretty epic too. just hope that ballard isn't a defensive liability that it seems AV seems to think he is.

[TheKingdom2000]

i'm currently streaming pregame off ADTHETV.net but its pretty choppy

anyone have a more stable stream with better quality ready ?

http://www.justin.tv/sortsall_#/w/1240464048

he's not saying shit right now so it's not bad

[LUUUUUUUU]

Ballard and Tanev!

[pure.life]

Team 1040: Looks like Tanev and Ballard will be in, Alberts out while Hodgson is back to centre fourth line with Bolduc on his wing.

[spoon.ek9]

are you guys sure the flashing of titties didn't overload the old man? 7-3 victory combined with young titties, he must have blown a circuit :D

(or a nut)

[rexsomnii]

LETS GO CANUCKS !!! Make game 4 as enjoyable as game 2 !! :)

[dark0821]

OMGOMGOMG its starting.. excited :D

[Noir]

Maybe you should actually play the sport and stop listening to analysts' rants about a sport they also have never played. And if you do play the sport, and have any idea how it is like to play every other day flying coast to coast getting bruised and battered, mentally and physically, then you can speak.

And I wasn't referring to you posts just on LUONGO, all your posts regarding/criticizing the Canucks are generic fairweather fan rants.

I've had my fair share of disagreements with the Skinny so I'm nowhere near an apologist or a supporter but after a while, I've realized that just because one has, or is, playing the game doesn't mean they actually know what they're talking about.

On the top of my head, the best examples are Milbury, Theo Fleury, and what's his name... Kipreos? just to name a few; and they're actually ex-NHLers. So just because both you and I have played the game doesn't mean that our opinions have their margin of errors. I certainly know where my own hockey bias lies but I'm a natural forward and hence why I stated earlier, hated seeing the team put under the bus due to goalie criticism exemption :D



Anyways, nonetheless, it's finally Game 4 and a chance to put Game 3 behind. Go Canucks Go.

[BlackV62K2]

Stay out of the box and we've got this. Let's do it boys!
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[seakrait]

Team 1040: Looks like Tanev and Ballard will be in, Alberts out while Hodgson is back to centre fourth line with Bolduc on his wing.

YESSSSSSSS!

[satek]

loads of nucks fans in sj

[dark0821]

holy shit 5000 canuck fans flew down =.=

[tonyzoomzoom]

cmon back, 98blkcivic

http://www.glamzilla.com/wp-content/uploads/2009-11-04-739575/tn_oliviawilde-pokiescandids-19.jpg

[rb]

Oreo out, Glass still in :facepalm:

[rexsomnii]

thank you canucks fans! dont have to see ugly orange!

[kluk]

LETS DO THISSSSSSSSSS

[Noir]

cmon back, 98blkcivic


+1

Whether I agree or disagree with the old man, 'was always one of my favourite Canuck posters.


+ 9,000!!!!!! for Olivia Wilde though.

[rexsomnii]

why cant we have projected stuff on our ice..

[Noir]

why cant we have projected stuff on our ice..

hunh.... if you're talking about what I think you're talking about... That's sort of post production. Maybe CBC doesn't have the tech like NBC to superimpose images to aid analysts.

[cliffhanger33]

WOOOOOOOOOO love early games ;)
Wake up to an exciting game
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[rb]

what happened to blackcivic? I haven't been following this thread too closely the last few days.

[MG1]

In Seattle watching the game. Lots of Canucks fans. I had to convince bartender to switch from NBC feed to CBC Feed. Rest of fans are uber happy I did that. Sorry, but Mike Milbury, one of the commentators on NBC,, sucks ass. I'm working on waitress to hand out white towels to us fans.
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[rexsomnii]

hunh.... if you're talking about what I think you're talking about... That's sort of post production. Maybe CBC doesn't have the tech like NBC to superimpose images post.

ohhh it is pretty high tech i guess and it would be costly.

LETS GO CANUCKS !!! WOOOOOOH

[pure.life]

has NBC ever covered a Canuck game or is this the first time?

[cliffhanger33]

GAAAAMEEEE TIIIIIIIMEEEEEEEEEEE

Wow Jamie McGinn starting ==" gtfo
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[pure.life]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or1q03lAwm4

[xxxrsxxx]

what a fucking boring singer ....brutalizing our anthem!
But great how many nux fans are in attendance!

[dbaz]

wtf did mclean just say kesler starting as 3rd line center?

[pure.life]

what a fucking boring singer ....brutalizing our anthem!
But great how many nux fans are in attendance!

he's putting all of us to sleep! HAHA

[spoon.ek9]

what an awful anthem singer. fucking putting the whole building to sleep.

[cliffhanger33]

HAHAHAHAHAH @ OBAMA CUT OUT
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[van19]

holy shit. finish already
sounds like a lullaby

[rexsomnii]

:LOL OBAMA LOVES CANUCKS CUT OUT

[LUUUUUUUU]

yea wtf... this guy suxxxxxxx

[pure.life]

at this rate.. puck drops at 7Pm HAHA

[dark0821]

…… +1


and so many CANUCKS!!!!

[cliffhanger33]

Dam I'm so excited

Let's WIN BOYS
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[Noir]

So important to get the first goal and break this "play catch up" trend the last 3 games.

[nguyen]

Wtf ... Mood killer
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[kluk]

WOW FUCK

[xxxrsxxx]

fuck

[pure.life]

ok glass is not playing another single second

[cliffhanger33]

Omfg penalty and not even a minute ==
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[LUUUUUUUU]

FFS why was Glass on with Kesler and Torres

[rb]

Glass :facepalm:

[dark0821]

WTF

[Noir]

already?

[rexsomnii]

GOOD LOOKING PPK !!

[seakrait]

FFS why was Glass on with Kesler and Torres
this.

[nguyen]

Holy fuck so close
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[seakrait]

oh shiet! fffffuuuuuuuuuuuuu... that was close!

[LUUUUUUUU]

OMGGGGGGGGGGGG

[cliffhanger33]

PMFG ALMODT SHORT HAND
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[Noir]

so close

[xxxrsxxx]

shit so close!!!

[kluk]

SO CLOSEEEE

[K.Dubz]

great ppk

[cliffhanger33]

LAPPY SAVE
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[Bonka]

Damn Glass

Nice PK!!
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[cliffhanger33]

Woo I'm shaking
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[cliffhanger33]

Omfg man
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[pure.life]

quick early pace. I like it

[nguyen]

Soild playing
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[dark0821]

OMG fuckin intense

[kluk]

pretty good pace so far. Go canucks Go!

[cliffhanger33]

I like how it's going
Raymond is looking good today
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[Tim Budong]

speakin on OBAMA and CANUCKS

this was from RS Coffee meet a few years back. from KARDBOARD

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2474/3584313233_684f7b980e_b.jpg

[Blinky]

Good action so far. Pace is more Canucks' style... And the sort of thing that Ehrhoff could have taken advantage of. Bieksa is leading the rushes!
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[satek]

Back to pk.

[cliffhanger33]

coooommmooooooonnnnn
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[LUUUUUUUU]

LOL JOE THORNTON

[Blinky]

WEEEAAAAAKK CALLLLL
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[kluk]

cmon nucks!!

[Noir]

aya!

[rexsomnii]

laugh it off canucks .. easy pk