[satek]

niceee, the new guy

[LUUUUUUUU]

VOLPATTTTTTTTTTIIIIII

[mako]

VOLTROOOONN!!!

[punkwax]

KESLERRRRRR
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[satek]

KESLER!!!!!!!!!!!

[JSALES]

KESLER!

[mako]

lazzzzeer

[DsZ24]

KES :) here we come now

[van19]

2-0 :fuckyea:

[MG1]

Kesler is a BEAST!!!!!!!

[MG1]

Voppa gets his first, too.

[sonick]

Kesler's finally getting some luck with his oft-practiced wrister.

[punkwax]

VOLTROOOONN!!!

Lol. "Cuz its super Badass."
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[mako]

damnit

Steen's stinkin backhander

[Not really racist!]

Damn..Hiller turned on God mode against Thomas today

45 saves and a shutout

[Not really racist!]

Oh dammit..
I thought Kes had that fuck

Halak closed his legs

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

[orange7]

totally forgot there is a game today. :blush:

flames and the leafs both lost.. if the canucks win, that will be the icing on the cake. ;)

[sonick]

Volpatti's playing well, nice backcheck.

Bad luck for Samuelsson.

[Not really racist!]

Sammy's due for a goal........................off the post

[Tim Budong]

Sammy as of now t3h suck

[LUUUUUUUU]

GAME OVER! :troll:

[Not really racist!]

Bieksa almost lost his eye there

[Not really racist!]

GOALLLL

T
A
M
B
Y

[Tim Budong]

woot!

[Ronin]

I thought Kes had that fuck

Halak closed his legs

:blueguy:

...what?

[RRxtar]

Taylor Pylon got KOed tonite

[mako]

Taylor Pylon got KOed tonite

he aint so pretty after that one

[DanHibiki]

double post

[DanHibiki]

:blueguy:

...what?

lol i see what you did there

[murd0c]

Taylor Pylon got KOed tonite

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1db5r_NmcU

[Ronin]

LOL what's Pyatt doing fighting anyways? That guy is softer than a litter of kittens in a pillow factory.

[4chinit]

Taylor Pylon got KOed tonite

what a name.

[chun]

LOL what's Pyatt doing fighting anyways? That guy is softer than a litter of kittens in a pillow factory.

Guys 6'3 235. Have you seen his PIM in the OHL? Pretty sure he's not as soft as your lame ass simile.

[mb_]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhewah_PQkc&feature=sub

VOLPATTIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII :fuckyea:

[fliptuner]

LOL what's Pyatt doing fighting anyways? That guy is soft like a litter of kittens in a pillow factory.


Pretty sure he's not as soft as your lame ass simile.

:fuckyea:

[Ch28]

Guys 6'3 235. Have you seen his PIM in the OHL? Pretty sure he's not as soft as your lame ass simile.

Yo man

Have you seen Josh Holden's WHL stats?

Season Team Lge GP G A Pts PIM
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1994-95 Regina Pats WHL 62 20 23 43 45
1995-96 Regina Pats WHL 70 57 55 112 105
1996-97 Regina Pats WHL 58 49 49 98 148
1997-98 Regina Pats WHL 56 41 58 99 134



Dude's gonna rip it up in the NHL! Just give him some time!

[Ronin]

Guys 6'3 235. Have you seen his PIM in the OHL? Pretty sure he's not as soft as your lame ass simile.

Yes, because we all know that the sort of player you are in junior is sure to be the sort of player you are in the NHL. Yep, that's why Pyatt has fewer PIMs in his career than...oh, Henrik?

How many fights as he gotten into? Maybe one a year?

That's very few for a guy that was known for his tough, physical play when he was a Canuck.

...OH WAIT

[Ronin]

Yo man

Have you seen Josh Holden's WHL stats?

Season Team Lge GP G A Pts PIM
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1994-95 Regina Pats WHL 62 20 23 43 45
1995-96 Regina Pats WHL 70 57 55 112 105
1996-97 Regina Pats WHL 58 49 49 98 148
1997-98 Regina Pats WHL 56 41 58 99 134



Dude's gonna rip it up in the NHL! Just give him some time!

Josh Holden is a fucking star, man...MVP...

...in Switzerland.

[chun]

Yo man

Have you seen Josh Holden's WHL stats?

Season Team Lge GP G A Pts PIM
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1994-95 Regina Pats WHL 62 20 23 43 45
1995-96 Regina Pats WHL 70 57 55 112 105
1996-97 Regina Pats WHL 58 49 49 98 148
1997-98 Regina Pats WHL 56 41 58 99 134



Dude's gonna rip it up in the NHL! Just give him some time!

Yes, because we all know that the sort of player you are in junior is sure to be the sort of player you are in the NHL. Yep, that's why Pyatt has fewer PIMs in his career than...oh, Henrik?

How many fights as he gotten into? Maybe one a year?

That's very few for a guy that was known for his tough, physical play when he was a Canuck.

...OH WAIT

You guys make no sense. I'm not saying he can produce, I'm saying he's not a softy. He's a big guy and just because all you remember of him is how he was crying in the interviews cuz of Carly doesn't make him a softy.

Of course you change up your game when you make it to the NHL but that doesn't mean he'll still fuck you up.

[Tim Budong]

`WAFFLES ANYONE?!?!?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGx7TqdQNC4










i used my 7800th post to post waffles..:fuckyea:

[b0unce. [?]]

Was that cause the Green Men were taunting them with waffles? Or something going on lately?

ALSO

CANUCKS VAULT INTO TOP SPOT IN NHL POWER RANKINGS

An 8-1-1 stretch in the last ten games has helped lift the Vancouver Canucks into top spot of the TSN.ca NHL Power Rankings.

A week after the Canucks were dropped down the seventh, with Christian Ehrhoff sidelined, the Canucks continued their winning ways and got Ehrhoff back in the lineup on the weekend, enough to pull ahead of the Pittsburgh Penguins and Detroit Red Wings.

Vancouver's special teams has scored 31 special teams goals (29 power play, two shorthanded), while allowing 18 special teams goals against (17 power play goals, one shorthanded goal), a differential of plus-13.

Atlanta, at plus-11, and Pittsburgh, at plus-9 have the next best special teams differentials.

Corey Crawford's improved play in the Blackhawks net, giving him a bigger role, helped bump Chicago up from 14 to nine, while Cam Ward's exceptional play for Carolina has moved the 'Canes up to 15 from 20.

The New York Rangers dipped from nine to 13, in part because of Ryan Callahan's injury and in part because they went from one side to the other of a Pacific Division logjam, as the Kings, Sharks and Stars hold down spots 10 through 12.

Montreal, losers of four of their last five, is the only other Canadian team in the top 20, as Calgary, Ottawa, Edmonton and Toronto all fall in the bottom third.

[orange7]

;7235278']Was that cause the Green Men were taunting them with waffles? Or something going on lately?

ALSO

CANUCKS VAULT INTO TOP SPOT IN NHL POWER RANKINGS

it was a few games back when the leafs lost to the philly, and a fan threw a waffle onto the ice.

Through an interview, he said he was helping the leafs get a nutritious diet so that they can play better.

[Ch28]

You guys make no sense. I'm not saying he can produce, I'm saying he's not a softy. He's a big guy and just because all you remember of him is how he was crying in the interviews cuz of Carly doesn't make him a softy.

Of course you change up your game when you make it to the NHL but that doesn't mean he'll still fuck you up.

The main reason why he was shipped out of Buffalo and labeled a dud was because he's as tough as a pillow full of kittens.

He's suppose to change up his game when he made it into the NHL? Last I checked he wasn't playing the tough guy role or scoring a whole lot of points.

[Tim Budong]

it was a few games back when the leafs lost to the philly, and a fan threw a waffle onto the ice.

Through an interview, he said he was helping the leafs get a nutritious diet so they can play better.

WRONG
the construction worker that threw the first waffle said that hte leafs need to WAKEUP
and the waffle was in reference to waking up

[Tegra_Devil]

I HATE THE CANUCKS!

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o118/devin443/?action=view&current=AndStillCounting.jpg

GO FLAMES GO!

http://www.sports-logos-screensavers.com/user/Calgary_Flames.jpg
















hehehehe...just wanted to see what it was like being fail proof for 1 post :)

[orange7]

WRONG
the construction worker that threw the first waffle said that hte leafs need to WAKEUP
and the waffle was in reference to waking up

ya.. something like that. :D

now i guess it's a tradition. :haha:

[insomniac]

^^ WHERE THE FUCK IS THE FAIL BUTTON :2finger:

[orange7]

I HATE THE CANUCKS!

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o118/devin443/?action=view&current=AndStillCounting.jpg

GO FLAMES GO!

http://www.sports-logos-screensavers.com/user/Calgary_Flames.jpg

hehehehe...just wanted to see what it was like being fail proof for 1 post :)

F A I L !!1 X10000000000

:fuckyea:

[RRxtar]

Guys 6'3 235. Have you seen his PIM in the OHL? Pretty sure he's not as soft as your lame ass simile.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/teams/players/gamelog/?id=2753

see how many times theres a 5 or an odd # under the PIM column? thats how many cans of whoop ass the guy Pylon fought has opened this season. I count at least 8. hes on pace for 200PIM

Pylon on the other hand, is on pace for an ass kicking, rough housing, tough guy... 48 pim, probably mostly due to reach arounds.


not to mention, he also KOed Colton Orr earlier this season and is tough as shit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vj-vtUMdJZ8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=696Kf7aYNQM

[1exotic]

I HATE THE CANUCKS!

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o118/devin443/?action=view&current=AndStillCounting.jpg

GO FLAMES GO!

http://www.sports-logos-screensavers.com/user/Calgary_Flames.jpg













hehehehe...just wanted to see what it was like being fail proof for 1 post :)

:alone:

[Harvey Specter]

Pretty decent game, our PP sucked monkey balls but thankfully it didn't come back to bite us.

So looks like the game on Wed could be for top spot in the West. Should be a pretty intense game.

[Ronin]

You guys make no sense. I'm not saying he can produce, I'm saying he's not a softy. He's a big guy and just because all you remember of him is how he was crying in the interviews cuz of Carly doesn't make him a softy.

Of course you change up your game when you make it to the NHL but that doesn't mean he'll still fuck you up.

You're the one that based Pyatt's toughness on his junior stats.

We're the ones telling you that Pyatt is a softy because he spent three years in Vancouver being big but playing small. How many thunderous hits do you remember him using that 230 pound body for? One? Two? Did you ever hear anyone say "Taylor Pyatt...damn, that dude sure has some grit. Always playing the body."

No, instead, all anyone ever said about Pyatt is girls telling us "Oh, he has pretty eyes."

Big != tough.

[RRxtar]

the TSN.ca comment at the bottom of each article posters are by far the worst haters I've ever seen. they make the mess that is CDC look intelligent. they are all leaf/oil/flames fans and its beyond me how they try so hard to hate the canucks.

theres the odd real intelligent post in there, almost better than what the columnists post, but they get buried so fast with the hate.

[Tim Budong]

I HATE THE CANUCKS!

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o118/devin443/?action=view&current=AndStillCounting.jpg

GO FLAMES GO!

http://www.sports-logos-screensavers.com/user/Calgary_Flames.jpg
















hehehehe...just wanted to see what it was like being fail proof for 1 post :)

as much FAIL as this is, He makes better criticism than leafs boy...then again..waffle boy sounds much better

[AzNightmare]

Guys 6'3 235. Have you seen his PIM in the OHL? Pretty sure he's not as soft as your lame ass simile.

This is why we need to bring back the "Fail" button.

At the very least... bring it back for just this thread.

[Bouncing Bettys]

as much FAIL as this is, He makes better criticism than leafs boy...then again..waffle boy sounds much better

Its waffle man to you. What critisimS are you taking about? I have no problem critisizing my team and I would hardly consider any of my positive comments as gloating either. Though I enjoy the waffle protests I thought the timing of last nights tossing wasn't wise. The leafs dominated the play for much of that game despite the score and were attempting a comeback. The delay of game from the waffle tossing could have killed what momentum they started building. If the fans don't like the final outcome, then toss the waffles. I did like that they were able to score a couple goals despite the protest.


I have brought up the poor quality of comments on tsn's site before here and believe me canuck fans are no saints on their either. Leaf articles are follewed by mostly habs/canuck troll comments. I figure the NHL is follwed by people of all ages and maturity levels so there childish behaviour is to be expected. Plus enjoying hockey brings out the inner child so its easier for more childish behaviour to surface as well - then you throw alcohol into the mix and its a troll party.

[InvisibleSoul]

common flames!! SPLIT THAT HOME AND HOME!!!
http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-fc/paperbag.gif

[shawn79]

What was the reason gary bettman not allowing NHL team to expand in las vegas again?
I was there this weekend and saw huge amount of nhl fans. Since phoenix coyotes are having economy problems it would be nice to see 30 games played in las vegas and 52 games played in phoenix. That way it will draw more tourist to las vegas to see their home team play at the same time support the coyotes


Phoenix Coyotes of Las Vegas :troll:

[RRxtar]

What was the reason gary bettman not allowing NHL team to expand in las vegas again?
I was there this weekend and saw huge amount of nhl fans. Since phoenix coyotes are having economy problems it would be nice to see 30 games played in las vegas and 52 games played in phoenix. That way it will draw more tourist to las vegas to see their home team play at the same time support the coyotes


Phoenix Coyotes of Las Vegas :troll:
quickly now, someone point out the obvious mistake here

[RRxtar]

heyyyy....

http://www.tsn.ca/fantasy_news/rankings/nhl/


whoosat up at the top there?!

[Ch28]

heyyyy....

http://www.tsn.ca/fantasy_news/rankings/nhl/


whoosat up at the top there?!

Power rankings mean jack shit.

It's just Scott Cullen's little thing where it screams "LOOK AT ME GUISE!"

[RRxtar]

true, but its a reasonable indicater of whos doing well, and whos not. and its nice to see the nucks at the top of a TorontoSportsNetwork power ranking.

[InvisibleSoul]

quickly now, someone point out the obvious mistake here
They only play home games?

[shawn79]

good thing there is no more fail button :shhh:

[RRxtar]

They only play home games?
win!

[chun]

Whether he's a gritty player or not, all I was trying to say was he'd be able to easily kick the shit out of 90% of the armchair softies here
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[The Hype]

Whether he's a gritty player or not, all I was trying to say was he'd be able to easily kick the shit out of 90% of the armchair softies here
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So? We aren't playing hockey against him are we?

[Not really racist!]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9Q-mFqWDm4&feature=player_embedded

[BlackZRoadster]

Whether he's a gritty player or not, all I was trying to say was he'd be able to easily kick the shit out of 90% of the armchair softies here
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lol when ppl comment on a UFC fighter and says he sucks and is a wimp, I'm sure he can beat the shit out of the ppl in the crowd that critque him too.

:fuckyea:

[Ronin]

Whether he's a gritty player or not, all I was trying to say was he'd be able to easily kick the shit out of 90% of the armchair softies here
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No shit! Even the Lady Byngiest of NHL players could kick any of our asses because they're still world class athletes playing in a professional sports league where fucking FIGHTING is legal...whereas most of us would get a nice hotel room with bars on it for starting one at a bar.

How the fuck is that relevant to this thread? No one is comparing US to players in the NHL. When someone says a player is soft, they mean relative to other fucking players. That's like saying "Dude, that motherfucking PICASSO? He can paint better than anyone in this thread."

[Gumby]

Lady Byngiest? I think you just invented a new word! :D

[trancehead]

No shit! Even the Lady Byngiest of NHL players could kick any of our asses because they're still world class athletes playing in a professional sports league where fucking FIGHTING is legal...whereas most of us would get a nice hotel room with bars on it for starting one at a bar.

How the fuck is that relevant to this thread? No one is comparing US to players in the NHL. When someone says a player is soft, they mean relative to other fucking players. That's like saying "Dude, that motherfucking PICASSO? He can paint better than anyone in this thread."

Thanks x 1000000.

chun would definitely benefit from reading Einstein's theory of Relativity.

ps fail button needs to return.

[Ch28]

Whether he's a gritty player or not, all I was trying to say was he'd be able to easily kick the shit out of 90% of the armchair softies here
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You're lucky they removed the fail button.

[Harvey Specter]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omTGSQkTLV0&feature=player_embedded#!

[spoon.ek9]

ouch, poor pylon

[punkwax]

New page so we're not subject to that flaming Calgary logo.
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[fliptuner]

So I was wondering about the Sedins having other siblings, came across this FB entry and found some of it quite interesting:

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=314374590481&topic=11809

[jigga250]

lol flames lose again, they truly are a horrible team:alone:

[jigga250]

No shit! Even the Lady Byngiest of NHL players could kick any of our asses because they're still world class athletes playing in a professional sports league where fucking FIGHTING is legal...whereas most of us would get a nice hotel room with bars on it for starting one at a bar.



pretty sure I could take Semin bro

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDRCpN4OMpM

[sonick]

pretty sure I could take Semin bro

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDRCpN4OMpM

I'm sure you can take a few boatloads of Semin.

[chun]

You're lucky they removed the fail button.

Maybe I just timed these posts well :troll:

Nah, to be honest, I don't actually believe that he's not a dud nor the fact that we should compare fans to players directly. I'm just sick of hot shot Ronin there talking holier than thou shit all over this board. Like the Linden comment made 10 pages back. But I guess that's just me.

Carry on ladies.
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[Not really racist!]

and calgary loses again

oh how good that feels :)

[InvisibleSoul]

Oh, is it ever gloomy is Flamesville... knowing your team is completely out of contention to even make the playoffs, before Christmas is not fun times for fans.

[Ronin]

Maybe I just timed these posts well :troll:

Nah, to be honest, I don't actually believe that he's not a dud nor the fact that we should compare fans to players directly. I'm just sick of hot shot Ronin there talking holier than thou shit all over this board. Like the Linden comment made 10 pages back. But I guess that's just me.

Carry on ladies.
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I have no idea what you're talking about. I've never even talked to you before.

[jdmhaze]

Maybe I just timed these posts well :troll:

Nah, to be honest, I don't actually believe that he's not a dud nor the fact that we should compare fans to players directly. I'm just sick of hot shot Ronin there talking holier than thou shit all over this board. Like the Linden comment made 10 pages back. But I guess that's just me.

Carry on ladies.
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Congrats! You achieved nothing but making an ass of yourself. :alone:

[Expresso]

So I was wondering about the Sedins having other siblings, came across this FB entry and found some of it quite interesting:

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=314374590481&topic=11809

Nice read, I wonder if we'll ever see wheeling and dealing like that in the future again.

[The Hype]

Congrats! You achieved nothing but making an ass of yourself. :alone:

And he doesn't even like the Leafs!
http://www.meh.ro/thumbnail/2010_05/meh.ro4359.jpg

[Noir]

Maybe I just timed these posts well :troll:

Nah, to be honest, I don't actually believe that he's not a dud nor the fact that we should compare fans to players directly. I'm just sick of hot shot Ronin there talking holier than thou shit all over this board. Like the Linden comment made 10 pages back. But I guess that's just me.

Carry on ladies.
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You think everyone that has a criticism is a "hot-shot-holier-than-thou."

[spoon.ek9]

http://www.meh.ro/thumbnail/2010_05/meh.ro4359.jpg

hahahaha i love this picture

[chun]

You think everyone that has a criticism is a "hot-shot-holier-than-thou."

Sweet, people are coming out of the woodwork lol

Still mad from last time? :troll:

[DanHibiki]

And he doesn't even like the Leafs!
http://www.meh.ro/thumbnail/2010_05/meh.ro4359.jpg

Is this a new meme that's gonna be used in 4 panel comics? I look forward to them if so!
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[Noir]

Sweet, people are coming out of the woodwork lol

Still mad from last time? :troll:

Mad? I'm quite entertained. I can't believe you just compared a pro-athlete to an average joe as your argument leverage = :haha:

[68style]

RIP Paul Carson:

http://www.teamradio.ca/news/father-of-team-1040-paul-carson-passes-away/

[chun]

an average joe

Ronin = average joe?
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[jigga250]

Oh, is it ever gloomy is Flamesville... knowing your team is completely out of contention to even make the playoffs, before Christmas is not fun times for fans.

not to mention spending to the cap, burdened with numerous unmovable contracts (Sarich, Bouwmeester, Stajan, Staios, Jokinen, Kotalik, etc), and an extremely shallow prospect pool. At least the Oilers have a future and some good young players.

Sarich - 3.6
J-Blow - 6.7
Stajan - 3.5
Staios - 2.7
Jokinen - 3
Kotalik - 3

Dear god those are some HORRIBLE contracts.

[DanHibiki]

RIP Paul Carson:

http://www.teamradio.ca/news/father-of-team-1040-paul-carson-passes-away/

Damn I was listening to team1040 today and they were talking bout how he was hoping to just make it to Christmas time.

It was sad listening :(
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[K-Dub]

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lcxpv6bpJR1qcir02o1_500.gif

[fliptuner]

http://i52.tinypic.com/206zwh5.gif
http://i54.tinypic.com/2dsg6mw.gif
http://i52.tinypic.com/303d9mo.gif

[trancehead]

saw this on tsn just now

KELLOG'S OFFICIALLY DENIES ANY INVOLVEMENT WITH THE WAFFLES BEING THROWN IN THE ACC

[mako]

Waffle sales in TO must be way up
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[Hondaracer]

Damn I was listening to team1040 today and they were talking bout how he was hoping to just make it to Christmas time.

It was sad listening :(
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Yea Pratt was crying on the air yesterday, pretty brutal considering they thought he was getting better
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[InvisibleSoul]

not to mention spending to the cap, burdened with numerous unmovable contracts (Sarich, Bouwmeester, Stajan, Staios, Jokinen, Kotalik, etc), and an extremely shallow prospect pool. At least the Oilers have a future and some good young players.

Sarich - 3.6
J-Blow - 6.7
Stajan - 3.5
Staios - 2.7
Jokinen - 3
Kotalik - 3

Dear god those are some HORRIBLE contracts.
Yeah, for sure... it's not just that the team sucks now, it's that the entire organization is SCREWED for the foreseeable future. They seriously need to completely clean house and make drastic moves... like trade Iginla and Kiprosoff for prospects, in order to bring the timeframe of sucking down to 3-4 years, instead 6-8 years.

[Tapioca]

I almost feel sorry for Toronto fans. Brian Burke has truly screwed the franchise for the next decade.

I was too young to remember the Harold Ballard years (and apparently, they were pretty bad), but this current team under Burke and Wilson is truly beyond horrible. The Kessel trade is going to be an albatross for a long time. It's akin to the Cam Neely deal we made in the 80s. Burke raised the expectations for the fan base by claiming he could do a quick rebuild around one player and it's failed miserably. He also signed some horrible contracts such as Komisarek, Colton Orr, and Bozak.

[!YaoShi]

Anyone know the stream for tonights game?

[mako]

Game Time!!

[EcLiPsEbOi]

anyone got a stream? please? =D

[Armind]

Fuuuuuuuuu
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[Not really racist!]

The past little while we've out shooted our opponents.. not this game I guess

^^http://atdhe.net/31309/watch-vancouver-canucks-vs-detroit-red-wings

laggy as fck tho

[mako]

The past little while we've out shooted our opponents.. not this game I guess


shots are 17-14 for Canucks so far

[spoon.ek9]

henrik! 1-1 PPG

[Not really racist!]

shots are 17-14 for Canucks so far

I made that comment when shots were 6 - 2 lol, we'll see how it pans out

& Kesler + Sedins are clicking on the PP acutally

[Not really racist!]

God damn... 2 - 1

[spoon.ek9]

damnit 1-2

[MG1]

We are up against an awesome team. No room for mistakes, because they will instantly make you pay.

Damn the Ginger, Badcock.

[Blinky]

Waffle tosser banned from Leafs games at the ACC:

Joseph Robb was charged with criminal mischief and barred from the arena for throwing waffles on the ice at a Maple Leafs game to protest the team's performance this season.

link:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=5948109

I'm sure there are plenty of places he could get Leafs tickets now, though.

[spoon.ek9]

YESSSSSSSSSS DANIEL 2-2 PPG

[Not really racist!]

Daniel :)

Loving this PP, finally its back

[spideyv2]

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAL!
jesus, kesler's playing like a man possessed

[MG1]

Kesler is a BEAST!!!!!!

[MG1]

Waffle tosser banned from Leafs games at the ACC:



link:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=5948109

I'm sure there are plenty of places he could get Leafs tickets now, though.

They'll have wanted posters up at the ACC. The guy is going to have to be like that Chinese dude who diguised himself as an old white man. LOL.

"What you got there, old man?" "Oh nothing, just a stack of mini pillows for my hemorrhoids."

[spideyv2]

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAL

[Not really racist!]

The irony!
Sammy breaks his slump against the Wings :)

[spoon.ek9]

OH MA GAWD SAMMY 3-2!

[MG1]

Nice..... a cutie in the stands with Canuck jersey and santa hat. Woo hoo. 3-2 for the good guys!

[spoon.ek9]

Nice..... a cutie in the stands with Canuck jersey and santa hat. Woo hoo. 3-2 for the good guys!

eagle eyes. i didn't notice shit! :lol

[tonyzoomzoom]

good seeing Nucks jerseys in the opposition's rink -- especially when worn by cuties !!

+1 for the cameraman who caught her :)

[spoon.ek9]

mmm, good thing for PVR's. i rewinded and found her lol.

edit 1: sedins ROBBED

edit 2: god dammit lu :(

[Not really racist!]

god dammit, louies gonna be pissed with that one

[dbaz]

:fuuuuu:loungo

[Ronin]

Howard is stoning us...while Louie can't seem to squeeze that post hard enough. There's his soft goal of the night.

[AzNightmare]

wow.... what a horrible goal... shot from behind the goal line.

[BlacknJean]

weak.

[tonyzoomzoom]

fucking bobby lu

[MG1]

Wasn't it through the legs? Damn Luongo has to squeeze his legs like a virgin.

Still anyone's game. We need a powerplay!

Or Monster SH goal.

[spoon.ek9]

go nucks! we can win this!!

[spoon.ek9]

HOLY TAMBI WHAT A SHOT

[Not really racist!]

holy fuck tamby..

that was so snipe

[BlacknJean]

sniper shot by tambelini!

[AzNightmare]

damn....... tambellini's shots are so good. What a sniper.

[mako]

BEAUTY!!!

[MG1]

Holy FUCK!

Tammy comes thru

Now shut the fucking door and the legs, Luigi.

[van19]

What a fucking goal !!
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[spoon.ek9]

kid's got hands! glad he's on this team :thumbsup:

[MG1]

Holy shit, that was close.... another Luigi aqueeze play.. this time other side

[MG1]

kid's got hands! glad he's on this team :thumbsup:

Papa and gramps must be proud

[spideyv2]

tamby's a beast

[Not really racist!]

omg, to the PK now

5 mins left!!

[spoon.ek9]

shit, late penalty. go PK go!

[mako]

damn
great action

[AzNightmare]

damn, I just watched some highlights of Tambellini. If I recall, like 90% of his goals are all
rockets to the top corners.

[Not really racist!]

FUVKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

[spoon.ek9]

fuck.

[murd0c]

fucken hell

[AzNightmare]

geez, why is it always like this vs the red wings... goal rallies.

[Not really racist!]

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

[MG1]

NOOOOOOOoooooooooOOOOOooooooOOOOOOoooooo!!!!!!!!!

[BlacknJean]

FFFFFFUUUU

[MG1]

Beast could have cleared it and Monster in the penalty box


God Damn It!!!!

[spoon.ek9]

holy hell 18-6 outshot in the 3rd alone

[MG1]

Makes for a good ending, I guess.


Good entertaining game

[Not really racist!]

what did i fucking say :@

outshot like shit
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

at least in the 3rd D:

[spoon.ek9]

lol kesler

[Not really racist!]

if we go to the shootout..

thank fucking god datsyuk isn't in the game anymore.

[AzNightmare]

1 min left... feel so nervous though.

[AzNightmare]

if we go to the shootout..

thank fucking god datsyuk isn't in the game anymore.

WAIT. WHAT? why isn't he in the game anymore??
I didn't see the whole game... injured??????

:fuuuuu: my pooooooooool

[spoon.ek9]

OT time

datsyuk injured in the 1st (hand)

[spoon.ek9]

fuck so close for ehrhoff!

FUCK zetterberg..

[Not really racist!]

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

[BlacknJean]

WEAK!!!!!!

[dL]

7uongo. Good game tho.

dL

[mako]

shortside goal ... sad

[spideyv2]

aw man great save luongo!!!!!!!

[chouchou]

fUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

[6thGear.]

wtf.....GG. another weak ass goal luongo let in...crazy game though!!

[BlacknJean]

Trade Loungo, Start Schneider


:troll:

[mb_]

WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT SHIT LU

[Gh0stRider]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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[AzNightmare]

fukkkk,... why zetterberg of all redwings. Fcuk my pool. two gift wrapped goals for zetterberg.
Merry Christmas from Luongo.

[PiuYi]

motherfcking'....

[tonyzoomzoom]

fucking bobby lu

X2

You and your $10m a year salary got completely outplayed by a sophomore goalie.

[Durrann]

Canucks had that game mann dangit
I'd say Canucks worked hard more
Than I've ever seen them worked
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[MG1]

Trade Loungo, Start Schneider


:troll:

good thing fail button is no more........... :haha::haha::haha:

[jigga250]

wtf is Rome doing on the ice in OT, aside from passing to noone

[spoon.ek9]

well either way, it was an entertaining nail-biter. gg.

[Armind]

:fuuuuu:

[MG1]

God Damn Howard the Fuck!

[KO7]

If only Ehrhoff buried that rebound out of the air :*(

Fucking lawlongo... :facepalm:

[Not really racist!]

Hoffman... you gotta clear that shit out yo

[jigga250]

nm

[PiuYi]

to be honest, other than that last slip-up, i didnt mind bobby lou's game tonight

[MG1]

fukkkk,... why zetterberg of all redwings. Fcuk my pool. two gift wrapped goals for zetterberg.
Merry Christmas from Luongo.

Let's not be too hard on the world's best goalie. :troll:


Detroit is a damn good team. We got one point. Next!

[dL]

World's most overrated goalie.

dL

[KO7]

Times and situations like these, I wish teams could take players' salaries to arbitration. Of course it wouldn't happen, but one can dream. :facepalm:

[AzNightmare]

Let's not be too hard on the world's best goalie. :troll:


Detroit is a damn good team. We got one point. Next!

I wanted to see a shootout :(

[Bonjour43MA]

2 fucking weak goals

GOOD JOB LU YOU 7 MILLION DOLLAR OVERPAID, OVERRATED PIECE OF ****

WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU STOLE A GAME FOR US? A MONTH AGO?

[Gh0stRider]

Hehe...all the comments about LU
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[Not really racist!]

I'd be fucking going ballistic and go riot if this was game 7 of the Conf finals.

Thank god it ain't, next game guys, next game lets steamroll the jackets

[TouringTeg]

Soft goals :( but a great game none the less.

That was pretty funny when Kessler threw the puck back at the Wing who put it into the bench lol

Also did you see Ehrhoff swearing at the end... he knew he had the winner if it hadn't hopped over his stick.

[jigga250]

2 fucking weak goals

GOOD JOB LU YOU 7 MILLION DOLLAR OVERPAID, OVERRATED PIECE OF ****

WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU STOLE A GAME FOR US? A MONTH AGO?

Ummm.....if he was HAVING to steal a game more than once a month, I'd be worried.

No goalie "steals" more than a few games/year, I'm not sure what you're expecting.

[Ronin]

40 saves on 45 shots isn't bad but at least three of the five goals were soft.

[iwantaskyline]

A. Rome 15:46
K. Ballard 14:31

Fail once again, AV.

[Hondaracer]

anyone who says "OMG Lu 10 Million"

you have no idea what your talking about and unless your last name is Aqualini, the 10 million figure means nothing to you as a fan.

Maybe we should trade Lu for Horcoff, we only have to pay him $200,000 more, and i'm sure his WHOPPING 15 points could really help us win games like tonight

not to mention our shit goalie only is what? 9-1-2 in his last 12? fuck, horrible

Also Zetterbergs a nobody, how can such a shitty player score on such a small opening? weird!

[murd0c]

I'm happy in a way. At least I have Howard and Zetterberg in my hockey pool and by both of them having the night they did will bump me into first place($900 goes to first at the end of the year :D)

[Bonjour43MA]

Ummm.....if he was HAVING to steal a game more than once a month, I'd be worried.

No goalie "steals" more than a few games/year, I'm not sure what you're expecting.

I don't think it's unreasonable to expect him to make those 2 saves that he let in - they are WWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK , espeically so for a 7 million dollar goalie.

Seriously Luongo fans need to wake up and see him for what he is - a good goalie that occasionally makes spectacular saves but let in too many softies for the amount of money he's making.

[Not really racist!]

BRB. Time to check CDC for people asking to get rid of LU

[Bonjour43MA]

anyone who says "OMG Lu 10 Million"

you have no idea what your talking about and unless your last name is Aqualini, the 10 million figure means nothing to you as a fan.

Maybe we should trade Lu for Horcoff, we only have to pay him $200,000 more, and i'm sure his WHOPPING 15 points could really help us win games like tonight

not to mention our shit goalie only is what? 9-1-2 in his last 12? fuck, horrible

Also Zetterbergs a nobody, how can such a shitty player score on such a small opening? weird!


and YOU know what you're talking about? we all have equal rights to voice our opinions.

His GAA and save % are horrible for an "elite" goalie. If he didn't have the team that he has now in front of him, he'd be at the bottom of the stats list.

Why can't people see through this? He's a good goalie that plays for a damn good team right now but AT THIS MOMENT he is not playing up to his reputation.

Are you seriously telling me that those 2 softies he let in tonight weren't his fault? We could've won this in regulation buddy.

[tonyzoomzoom]

it's not our goalie that 9-1-2, it's the entire team that is 9-1-2 when Lu was in net. In how many of those wins did he make a difference?

[iwantaskyline]

anyone who says "OMG Lu 10 Million"

you have no idea what your talking about and unless your last name is Aqualini, the 10 million figure means nothing to you as a fan.

Maybe we should trade Lu for Horcoff, we only have to pay him $200,000 more, and i'm sure his WHOPPING 15 points could really help us win games like tonight

not to mention our shit goalie only is what? 9-1-2 in his last 12? fuck, horrible

Also Zetterbergs a nobody, how can such a shitty player score on such a small opening? weird!

Those goals went in not because of Zetterberg's awesome skill but Luongo's poor positioning.

[Bonjour43MA]

The OT goal he let in was PISS POOR. He had time to move over and set up, and STILL let it in.

You can see the guys hanging their heads after that one.... THAT WAS BRUTAL FOR AN "ELITE" GOALIE.

YES I'M MAD. We won this one... but Lu let it go the other way single-handedly

[Not really racist!]

Technically you could bitch at Ehrhoff too for not clearing the puck when he had time and space but the puck was passed into his skates......

[The Hype]

it's not our goalie that 9-1-2, it's the entire team that is 9-1-2 when Lu was in net. In how many of those wins did he make a difference?

You also have to take into account the teams they played in those last 12 games. They really only had maybe 4 quality opponents.

Also, of course the amount of money they're making is important to us. If the Canucks paid Luongo what he was really worth they'd have extra money to invest in players that can make up for his inadequacies.

[dlo]

canuck's lost is not in vain, i am not first in my fantasy league :')

[KO7]

I'd be fucking going ballistic and go riot if this was game 7 of the Conf finals.

Thank god it ain't, next game guys, next game lets steamroll the jackets

If that were game 7 of the Conf Finals, lawlongo would be DONE in Vancouver. So would AV too for putting Tanner effin Glass on a crucial PK late in the game.

[Hondaracer]

and YOU know what you're talking about? we all have equal rights to voice our opinions.

His GAA and save % are horrible for an "elite" goalie. If he didn't have the team that he has now in front of him, he'd be at the bottom of the stats list.

Why can't people see through this? He's a good goalie that plays for a damn good team right now but AT THIS MOMENT he is not playing to his reputation.

Are you seriously telling me that those 2 softies he let in tonight weren't his fault? We could've won this in regulation buddy.

in terms of the cap, yea i do know what i'm talking about because the only number that matters to fans is CAP HIT, not yearly salary.. that has absolutely nothing to do a fan's opinion of him based on salary.

he makes 5.33 million, argue that value, not whatever random number between 4 and 10 comes to your fingers.

if at 5.33 he is as horrible as you say, what would you do to improve this situation? pay Cory 2.5-3 to be a starter and use that addition 2 million to sign an "Elite sniper" etc. etc.?

please elaborate on what it is we should do instead of having Luongo in a hypothetical world

EDIT* and this goes for everyone saying "what if" we didnt have Luongo's Salary, if we were paying a new magical goalie 2.5-3 million which is below average for a starter, who exactly would push us over the edge for that extra 2?

if you really want to actually break down tonights game, you could also attribute one of the wings PP goals to Kesler when he did not clear the puck on that spin-o-rama attempt to get it on his forehand and they scored shortly after, or the OT goal on edler batting the puck with his hand right onto Zetterbergs stick, or even Ehroff's inability to bury the puck into an empty net..

if we had won, no one would be talking about Luongo, and this game was so evenly matched it was basically a coin flip, yet there's panic lol.. pathetic

I would not argue this was a strong game, it was probably the oposite, but to argue his value based on one "noticeable" game is idiotic

[Noir]

I'm going to have to agree with the Luongo criticism on this one. Good goalie but had a mediocre night.

Goal 3 was weak backhander by Zetterburg on an already overly limited angle.

Goal 4 was PP goal which he could've done better. Luongo never recovered for the Lidstrom rebound. Just went down for the first shot and stayed down. Never bothered to get up to reset or at least a hailmary lateral to Lidstrom.

(still had a high probability of it going in but the effort would've been appreciated) Still, should've been our 2 points had it not been for the above and we wouldn't even be discussing the OT goal.



Anyways, it's only 1 game for me and it's nothing to lose sleep over - that is, unless we get another stretch of complacency again.

[Noir]

in terms of the cap, yea i do know what i'm talking about because the only number that matters to fans is CAP HIT, not yearly salary.. that has absolutely nothing to do a fan's opinion of him based on salary.

he makes 5.33 million, argue that value, not whatever random number between 4 and 10 comes to your fingers.

if at 5.33 he is as horrible as you say, what would you do to improve this situation? pay Cory 2.5-3 to be a starter and use that addition 2 million to sign an "Elite sniper" etc. etc.?

please elaborate on what it is we should do instead of having Luongo in a hypothetical world

EDIT* and this goes for everyone saying "what if" we didnt have Luongo's Salary, if we were paying a new magical goalie 2.5-3 million which is below average for a starter, who exactly would push us over the edge for that extra 2?

if you really want to actually break down tonights game, you could also attribute one of the wings PP goals to Kesler when he did not clear the puck on that spin-o-rama attempt to get it on his forehand and they scored shortly after, or the OT goal on edler batting the puck with his hand right onto Zetterbergs stick, or even Ehroff's inability to bury the puck into an empty net..

if we had won, no one would be talking about Luongo, and this game was so evenly matched it was basically a coin flip, yet there's panic lol.. pathetic

It's only $5.3M because it's in exchange for a 12 year term; meaning he'll still be occupying that much cap space well into his late 30's and early 40's.

Since that's the only reason, there's no sense tip-toeing around that Luongo himself, the franchise, and everyone else thinks he's an $8M - $10M goalie. He would never sign for $5M in any other circumstances.


edit:

BTW, cap does matter not in signing an "elite sniper" like you exampled, but considering how close we are to the cap - Hamhuis on $4.5 & Ballard @ $4.2, we may stand to lose Erhoff or Edler (later on down the road).


In which case is only going to hurt Luongo more if his defense thins out. Unless, he actually does perform to the value of his cap space (and not need decent defense to pad his performance), which is not entirely an unreasonable perspective point.

[Bonjour43MA]

in terms of the cap, yea i do know what i'm talking about because the only number that matters to fans is CAP HIT, not yearly salary.. that has absolutely nothing to do a fan's opinion of him based on salary.

he makes 5.33 million, argue that value, not whatever random number between 4 and 10 comes to your fingers.

if at 5.33 he is as horrible as you say, what would you do to improve this situation? pay Cory 2.5-3 to be a starter and use that addition 2 million to sign an "Elite sniper" etc. etc.?

please elaborate on what it is we should do instead of having Luongo in a hypothetical world

The amount of money he makes has EVERYTHING to do with his performance - he's paid to perform at a certain level so if he doesn't meet that expectation then he is OVERPAID. This is simple logic so I don't see how you can argue with this.

5.33 million, 7 million, 10 million - it doesn't matter. The point is that he's being paid a certain amount to perform at a certain level - and he's NOT DOING THAT. You can be an accountant and be specific with the amount but the end result is the same.

I don't know WHAT I'd do - he's signed a contract already and our team is good enough to cover his ass for the time being, but how long will that last, and how many BIG games could we have won if he didn't fail so badly? The last 2 playoff elimination games were good testaments for his ability to be the elite goalie that he's meant to be, which he has failed to do, TWO YEARS in a row.

Look, like I said before, I'm not saying he's a piece of shit goalie and we need to get rid of him - I'm just frustrated that he's not performing at a level that he needs to be, and is making silly mistakes that end up costing us the game. He's a good/above average goalie that plays behind a very strong team at the moment, which covers up a lot of his weaknesses in his game that need to be fixed/changed.

I remember his 1st and 2nd year here that he would make 99% of the saves you'd expect him to make, and was usually beaten by shots that were almost impossible to save. He occasionally had some weak ones but I didn't care because every goalie goes through a few bad games throughout the season. NOW... it's like every other game or every other 2 games he pulls a stinker, and I'm beginning to feel less secured when he's in the net - that alone should say something about how the fans perceive him as our starting goalie.

[iwantaskyline]

It's only $5.3M because it's in exchange for a 12 year term; meaning he'll still be occupying that much cap space well into his late 30's and early 40's.

Since that's the only reason, there's no sense tip-toeing around that Luongo himself, the franchise, and everyone else thinks he's an $8M - $10M goalie. He would never sign for $5M in any other circumstances.


edit:

BTW, cap does matter not in signing an "elite sniper" like you exampled, but considering how close we are to the cap - Hamhuis on $4.5, we may stand to lose Edler or Erhoff.


In which case is only going to hurt Luongo more if his defense thins out. Unless, he actually does perform to the value of his cap space (and not need decent defense to pad his performance), which is not entirely an unreasonable perspective point.

In 5 years the Canucks have a opt out clause where they can trade Luongo if need be. Not saying they will but in a few years if they choose to go in a different direction in goal that is an option. Poor game tonight by him but he'll bounce back. I agree with the criticism that he has not lived up to his contract the past few years but in the grand scope of things, how well he plays in this years playoffs will determine how well this season is for him.

[dbaz]

technically you could say niedermeyer goal in 06? was his fault too. ill give him the benefit of the doubt though because he played good those 2 series

[chouchou]

Goddamn reeelaxx. Where's the christmas spirit, lighten up a little. it's not the end of the world!
It was a good fucking game, great atmosphere, and great hockey. best game i've seen in awhile, though we didn't end up on top. This is what games are meant to be like. Luongo's human, he's bound to make mistakes. He played like shit, but he'll make the necessary changes and move on. If he lingers over this loss like most of us, then how will one ever improve?
Sure, we should be allowed to expect more from the amount we pay him. but luckily he's making these errors now, and can correct them when it really counts. We need to look past this and support the players that we have in all they can do. I'm sure Luongo's not purposely letting these shit goals in.

you win some, you lose some. can't have em all. yes we can point fingers and criticize all we want, but luongo (as well as others) knows he played like shit. he will bounce back, and then the haters will have nothing to say.

[Noir]

In 5 years the Canucks have a opt out clause where they can trade Luongo if need be. Not saying they will but in a few years if they choose to go in a different direction in goal that is an option. Poor game tonight by him but he'll bounce back. I agree with the criticism that he has not lived up to his contract the past few years but in the grand scope of things, how well he plays in this years playoffs will determine how well this season is for him.

But like Hondaracer, you can't bank on such benefits that's contingent on other things.

In your example: Contingent on another team wanting his $5M + contract until he's 42. (at at 5 years down the road, Luongo will be 36) So I'm not sure how attractive that trade bait will be.

In Hondaracer's hopes: Contingent that he'll retire before his contract expiry and forfeit the remaining few million dollars.

[mb_]

Datsyuk out 4 weeks with a broken hand, ouch

[shawn79]

Luongo superstar statistics seems to be falling every year since arriving in Vancouver.

The best Roberto Luongo we have seen was in the playoffs series against Dallas.

[rsx]

It looked like the puck was fluttering, it could've dipped. oh well. Only Zetterberg or premier players can score like that anyway.

[Noir]

Goddamn reeelaxx. Where's the christmas spirit, lighten up a little. it's not the end of the world!
It was a good fucking game, great atmosphere, and great hockey. best game i've seen in awhile, though we didn't end up on top. This is what games are meant to be like. Luongo's human, he's bound to make mistakes. He played like shit, but he'll make the necessary changes and move on. If he lingers over this loss like most of us, then how will one ever improve?
Sure, we should be allowed to expect more from the amount we pay him. but luckily he's making these errors now, and can correct them when it really counts. We need to look past this and support the players that we have in all they can do. I'm sure Luongo's not purposely letting these shit goals in.

you win some, you lose some. can't have em all. yes we can point fingers and criticize all we want, but luongo (as well as others) knows he played like shit. he will bounce back, and then the haters will have nothing to say.

Uhhhh,

Like all games, this is just a game review. Where we talk about the good and the bads of the game. No one's getting down on the team.

When we win, the pros will heavily out weigh the cons, and rightfully so vice-versa on losses.




This is not directed to you (Chouchou) but to some other fans:
Why the hell do some people view any negative observation as an anti-Canuck sentiment? Should the Canucks be immune to "objective" game reviews?


I mean, in a positive note I think Samuellson played well today despite having played his way to the grinding lines as of recent. But it can't be helped that the bigger topic is goaltending. (I mean, some days it'll be Alberts, some days it'll be the twins (not producing), and just like the rest, today is Luongo) Just take it as a 1 game review/de-brief.

[Hondaracer]

It's only $5.3M because it's in exchange for a 12 year term; meaning he'll still be occupying that much cap space well into his late 30's and early 40's.

Since that's the only reason, there's no sense tip-toeing around that Luongo himself, the franchise, and everyone else thinks he's an $8M - $10M goalie. He would never sign for $5M in any other circumstances.

a deal where after what? 4-5 years he is tradeable where any shit team would take him in a heart beat? the tradeoff of term was in order to lower cap hit, the deal does not handcuff the team whatsoever

Also Bonjour43MA as usual, somone who wants to debate Luongo's worthiness cannot come up with a situation that would work out better than the current one we have

Fluery's, Wards, etc do not grow on tree's [both of which when they won the cup were basically ignorant to the pressure upon them and their teams, or had none on them during their run.]

or maybe we'll just trade for a BETTER goalie! like hmm..

Kiprusoff, Miikka - 5.833
Hiller, Jonas - 4.500
Miller, Ryan - 6.250
Vokoun, Tomas - 5.700
Backstrom, Niklas - 6.000
Brodeur, Martin - 5.200
Lundqvist, Henrik - 6.875
Giguere, Jean-Sebastien - 6.000

Hiller, a basically unproven goalie in his own right, even more so than Luongo is the only goalie to makes LESS than Luongo..

now here's a hypothetical situation for ya, Trade ANY of those goalies straight up for Luongo and pay them the 5.33 right now, as in tomorrow

tell that goalie, ok, our one and only goal is a stanley cup, anything but a spot in the western conference finals will be considered a failure, and we're riding you all the way there

See how many of those goalies make it passed the 2nd round

Professional sports are 90% mental, Luongo's contract extension was basically saying, ok.. were puting faith in you that over the next few years where our core is intact, we have a shot at the cup and you need to realize that we need you to do everything in your power to put demons behind you, focus on the game, and we will do everything in our power to prepare you to perform optimally, focus on your game, and let the team build confidence as a whole, not build confidence on Luongo saves resulting in breakdowns, penalties, etc. shit doesnt work like that.

Whats sad is that i guarantee you in those other cities where goalies are making MILLIONS more than Luongo, during losses they do not rip into their goalies as hard as we do

Of course, the lame fan will always resort back to the "How many cups has Luongo/the Canucks won, how many playoff victories, 7uongo!"

the fact of the matter is, that argument is like saying the sky is blue, no shit the sky is blue, 99% of the time that statement is true, the one day that i say the sky is green and it's green, holy fuck i look like a fucking genius!

its the same thing as saying "how many cups have the Canucks won?" "How many cups has Luongo won?" shit doesnt happen in a day, and the stanley cup aint like winning a ball hockey tournament, the stars have to align perfectly for a championship to be won, and in a city like Vancouver, the universe might have to align in order for it to happen, but whenever it does, people wont be caring about bad regular season goals.

[iwantaskyline]

But like Hondaracer, you can't bank on such benefits that's contingent on other things.

In your example: Contingent on another team wanting his $5M + contract until he's 42. (at at 5 years down the road, Luongo will be 36) So I'm not sure how attractive that trade bait will be.

In Hondaracer's hopes: Contingent that he'll retire before his contract expiry and forfeit the remaining few million dollars.

You're right. The only way a team will take on Luongo if he is still playing at a consistent level. However when the opt out clause for the Canucks takes effect Luongo will only be owed 13 million for the remaining 5 years. So I can see teams out there willing to accept that. Roloson is 41 and still playing at a high level so I can see Luongo sustaining the same consistency. Teams wanting to meet the cap floor will be interested as Luongo will essentially be carrying a "virtual cap hit", being paid less then the 5.33 cap hit those remaining years.

[spoon.ek9]

you guys need to remember that we're playing a different style of hockey than we were when we first signed lu. playing an offensive style of hockey is going to allow more goals here and there. now, that being said, he did screw up tonight and i'm sure no one feels worse than he does right now. in terms of salary, the only number that matters is the cap hit because that's what affects the team as a whole. at $5.3 mil, lu is a good signing. would you guys rather have cloutier back? garth snow? raycroft? labarbera?

it was a GOOD game to watch and we DID get a point out of it. calm down people.

[orange7]

to be honest, before the game started I thought we would lose this game in regulation :blush:

but we got away with 1 of the 2 points. So I am happy. :fuckyea:

and we all should be happy too because the red wings are not flames/leafs. ;)

[spoon.ek9]

^ exactly, this was an elite team we played tonight. not the bottom basement garbage and mediocre teams we've been seeing lately.

[Tim Budong]

Tonight's lost was clearly on the shoulder of Luongo. Putting salary and all that garbage aside, the two goals he let in should be pretty routine.

The tying goal, well.. everyone so focused on the left side of the play, Lidstrom snuck in. Typical PP strategy that just maybe a simple COVER THE D-MAN coulda saved the play. Regardless, the Wings PP is great because they can DO JUST THAT, force play to one side and have a Dman sneak right in. Luongo was close to helpless there. Whatever

Erhoff had the puck bounce on him in OT, which lead to the turnover, but Luongo had all the time + space to challenge Zetteberg.

One way or another, its one fucking game. Let this game be a wakeup for Luongo because the next 2 weeks ain't gonna be easy. He's got the flyers, sharks, oilers, stars to worry about. Those teams are just as good.

On a side note. isn't it great to see that the team actually has a chance to finish higher than 3rd? it shows improvement within the club.

[iwantaskyline]

Something else I didn't mention in my previous posts was that Luongo does not carry a NMC. If the Canucks down the road chose to demote him the minors and he does not report, contract is void. Not saying they will do this as that is a slap in the face but crazier things have happened.

[spoon.ek9]

let's not forget we're still missing raymond and salo in the line up too

[Noir]

a deal where after what? 4-5 years he is tradeable where any shit team would take him in a heart beat? the tradeoff of term was in order to lower cap hit, the deal does not handcuff the team whatsoever

Also Bonjour43MA as usual, somone who wants to debate Luongo's worthiness cannot come up with a situation that would work out better than the current one we have

Fluery's, Wards, etc do not grow on tree's [both of which when they won the cup were basically ignorant to the pressure upon them and their teams, or had none on them during their run.]

or maybe we'll just trade for a BETTER goalie! like hmm..

Kiprusoff, Miikka - 5.833
Hiller, Jonas - 4.500
Miller, Ryan - 6.250
Vokoun, Tomas - 5.700
Backstrom, Niklas - 6.000
Brodeur, Martin - 5.200
Lundqvist, Henrik - 6.875
Giguere, Jean-Sebastien - 6.000

Hiller, a basically unproven goalie in his own right, even more so than Luongo is the only goalie to makes LESS than Luongo..

now here's a hypothetical situation for ya, Trade ANY of those goalies straight up for Luongo and pay them the 5.33 right now, as in tomorrow

tell that goalie, ok, our one and only goal is a stanley cup, anything but a spot in the western conference finals will be considered a failure, and we're riding you all the way there

See how many of those goalies make it passed the 2nd round

Professional sports are 90% mental, Luongo's contract extension was basically saying, ok.. were puting faith in you that over the next few years where our core is intact, we have a shot at the cup and you need to realize that we need you to do everything in your power to put demons behind you, focus on the game, and we will do everything in our power to prepare you to perform optimally, focus on your game, and let the team build confidence as a whole, not build confidence on Luongo saves resulting in breakdowns, penalties, etc. shit doesnt work like that.

Whats sad is that i guarantee you in those other cities where goalies are making MILLIONS more than Luongo, during losses they do not rip into their goalies as hard as we do

Of course, the lame fan will always resort back to the "How many cups has Luongo/the Canucks won, how many playoff victories, 7uongo!"

the fact of the matter is, that argument is like saying the sky is blue, no shit the sky is blue, 99% of the time that statement is true, the one day that i say the sky is green and it's green, holy fuck i look like a fucking genius!

its the same thing as saying "how many cups have the Canucks won?" "How many cups has Luongo won?" shit doesnt happen in a day, and the stanley cup aint like winning a ball hockey tournament, the stars have to align perfectly for a championship to be won, and in a city like Vancouver, the universe might have to align in order for it to happen, but whenever it does, people wont be caring about bad regular season goals.

If you really are only looking at the "now" perspective, Luongo on that list should be $8M. He's only a $5.3 based on a loophole that was corrected because of him, Hossa & Kovalchuk.

If we're going to judge him on a "$5.3" perspective, you have to take into account the term of that perspective because the benefits of that term are all short-sighted. Yes, he's only occupying $5.3 now but how many on that list of goalies you had will be occupying the same amount until over the age of 40.

[orange7]

plus let's face it.

no team will win all 82 games. Even if the canucks have brodeur during his prime and playing godlike every night, we would stilll not win all 82 games.

If the canucks have to lose some of those games, I'd much rather lose a close game to the red wings than to the laffs or the lames. :p

[iwantaskyline]

If you really are only looking at the "now" perspective, Luongo on that list should be $8M. He's only a $5.3 based on a loophole that was corrected because of him, Hossa & Kovalchuk.

If we're going to judge him on a "$5.3" perspective, you have to take into account the term of that perspective because the benefits of that term are all short-sighted. Yes, he's only occupying $5.3 now but how many on that list of goalies you had will be occupying the same amount until over the age of 40.

Honestly, I'm not worried about the term whatsoever. If he shits the bed when he starts getting older, there are a ton of ways the Canucks can get out of the contract. Demote him to the minors is highly unlikely but possible, but take this into account. In the remaining 4 years of his deal Luongo is only owed 7 million. If the Canucks buy him out they will be stuck with a cap hit of $587,000 which is peanuts. I've also mentioned the trade option a few posts back as well.

[Noir]

On a side note. isn't it great to see that the team actually has a chance to finish higher than 3rd? it shows improvement within the club.

Werd, and Kesler really coming into his own. I was already content with the Kesler of the last 2 years but like the Sedins, he keeps reaching for new ceilings annually.


Tambi is also another great find & surprise that I'm actually warming up to hopes of becoming a regular (even after Raymond's) return. I don't know, maybe in place of Hansen or Sammeullson on the 2nd line. He's making things really interesting on how this'll play out. But for now I really like him on the 2nd line.

[Hondaracer]

* edit, this post is refering to Noir's - is that even relevant? as i said in the first sentence, there would be 10-15 teams that would pick a 35-38 year old Luongo, and they could cut him at anytime with no repercussions

I also dont look at smart cap management as a detriment to the team.. Goalies will still continue to be signed for more than 5.33 who have won less than Luongo.

[RiceIntegraRS]

i came on here to see all the retards here that bash Luongo. 7-1-0 Record 1.73GAA .925Save% prior to tonights game and he lets in 2-3 bad goals and everyone is all over him. I absolutely hate Vancouvers what have you done for me lately mentality.

[spoon.ek9]

i think overall people here aren't bashing Lu but rather, are disappointed in his performance in a key game tonight. we're very fortunate to have the team that we have now. with all due respect to the fans, i'm much more comfortable being a canucks fan than a flames, leafs, or sens fan. yes, i left out the oilers because they have a bright future ahead of them.

[iwantaskyline]

* edit, this post is refering to Noir's - is that even relevant? as i said in the first sentence, there would be 10-15 teams that would pick a 35-38 year old Luongo, and they could cut him at anytime with no repercussions

I also dont look at smart cap management as a detriment to the team.. Goalies will still continue to be signed for more than 5.33 who have won less than Luongo.

If he shits the bed again in the playoffs for a third year. I would not sign Luongo to a 5.33 cap hit contract even with a gun to my head. Now the last two years could be down years but lets face reality here. The last 2 years including this year his stats keep getting worse. His sv% keeps going down each year, currently ranked 22nd in the league. 14 of the goalies ahead of him this year make less than him. Only one goalie is below him who makes a comparable salary and that's Kiprusoff who plays on a shit team.

IMO and yours is probably different. The goalies you named in your previous post, I would take all of them except for Kiprusoff and Giguere rather then Luongo. Thats my opinion because I think he is on the downslope of his career but I really do hope he bounces back. I don't care about the regular season but I hope he plays well in the playoffs.

[Hondaracer]

fyi Kelly Rhudy [sp] was on team1040 today going about the peak of a goalies career being between 30-36, so who knows

also RiceIntegraRS's post backs up my statement on the last page about his record, he's been the best goalie in the league in December, and the only stat that matters to the people arguing "the record is the teams, not his" is the SV %, a stat which cannot be argued much like the 5.33 cap hit.

[RiceIntegraRS]

^wait till the end of the season to compare stats, we all know Luongo has bad starts and will start to get hot mid-end season. But i do agree that this is the year Luongo has to make a statement in the playoffs

[iwantaskyline]

fyi Kelly Rhudy [sp] was on team1040 today going about the peak of a goalies career being between 30-36, so who knows

also RiceIntegraRS's post backs up my statement on the last page about his record, he's been the best goalie in the league in December, and the only stat that matters to the people arguing "the record is the teams, not his" is the SV %, a stat which cannot be argued much like the 5.33 cap hit.

Well if thats what Rhudy says then I hope Luongo's a late "peaker".

SV % is a great stat to determine how well a goalie is playing. W-L is a great stat determining how GOOD a team is.

[RiceIntegraRS]

If he shits the bed again in the playoffs for a third year. I would not sign Luongo to a 5.33 cap hit contract even with a gun to my head. Now the last two years could be down years but lets face reality here. The last 2 years including this year his stats keep getting worse. His sv% keeps going down each year, currently ranked 22nd in the league. 14 of the goalies ahead of him this year make less than him. Only one goalie is below him who makes a comparable salary and that's Kiprusoff who plays on a shit team.


So hes 22nd in the league and 14 goalies are making less than him. So wat are u tryin to say? U would rather have Garon, Johnson, Lindback, Boucher, Bobrovsky, Rinne, Lehtonen or Crawford and their salary over Luongo and his salary?

[iwantaskyline]

So hes 22nd in the league and 14 goalies are making less than him. So wat are u tryin to say? U would rather have Garon, Johnson, Lindback, Boucher, Bobrovsky, Rinne, Lehtonen or Crawford and their salary over Luongo and his salary?

No genius, I'm saying he is currently NOT earning his salary. I hope he does in the playoffs though.

[Mike Oxbig]

plus let's face it.

no team will win all 82 games. Even if the canucks have brodeur during his prime and playing godlike every night, we would stilll not win all 82 games.

If the canucks have to lose some of those games, I'd much rather lose a close game to the red wings than to the laffs or the lames. :p

Tonight was not about winning. Teams were evenly matched with both teams highly skilled
But the topic right now that piss every canucks fans off is, luongo letting soft goals like the dan clouiter nightmare days

[The Hype]

Hiller, a basically unproven goalie in his own right, even more so than Luongo is the only goalie to makes LESS than Luongo.


Basically unproven? He unseated Jiggy as the Ducks #1 goalie, took out the Sharks in 6 games, and pushed the Red Wings to 7 in the '09 playoffs. Not to mention consistently keeping Anaheim in the game despite the somewhat sad state their defence has become. I'd love to see Luongo try and keep it together with a D like that in front of him.

[jigga250]

You also have to take into account the teams they played in those last 12 games. They really only had maybe 4 quality opponents.

Also, of course the amount of money they're making is important to us. If the Canucks paid Luongo what he was really worth they'd have extra money to invest in players that can make up for his inadequacies.

So you're saying he's worth less than 5.3 mil? Cause that's what his cap hit is. Sorry, but there are 30 NHL GM's who would be willing to pay him more than that.

and YOU know what you're talking about? we all have equal rights to voice our opinions.

His GAA and save % are horrible for an "elite" goalie. If he didn't have the team that he has now in front of him, he'd be at the bottom of the stats list.


Ryan Miller has almost identical stats to Luongo right now, but I guarantee there's nobody in Buffalo throwing him under the bus like this. .913 is a horrible sv % for a run and gun team? And people wonder why Vancouver is a goalie graveyard...:\

you guys need to remember that we're playing a different style of hockey than we were when we first signed lu. playing an offensive style of hockey is going to allow more goals here and there. now, that being said, he did screw up tonight and i'm sure no one feels worse than he does right now. in terms of salary, the only number that matters is the cap hit because that's what affects the team as a whole. at $5.3 mil, lu is a good signing. would you guys rather have cloutier back? garth snow? raycroft? labarbera?

it was a GOOD game to watch and we DID get a point out of it. calm down people.

Best post in this thread. When Luongo first game to Vancouver, the team was 21st in the league in scoring. They're now generally top 5, and that has resulted from a drastic change in playing style. As a result, teams are getting better scoring opportunities (although they are still fairly solid defensively), and Luongo's stats have taken a hit.

[Tim Budong]

i came on here to see all the retards here that bash Luongo. 7-1-0 Record 1.73GAA .925Save% prior to tonights game and he lets in 2-3 bad goals and everyone is all over him. I absolutely hate Vancouvers what have you done for me lately mentality.

Stats are stats
when a game such as today, with all the momentum and you star goalie shits the bed, how will you react?

In a big game, with so much adrenline and to see a shitter goal(s) does this give you the impression of a winner?