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bballguy
04-13-2012, 09:29 PM
We need a shake up; I'm shaving.

bballguy
04-13-2012, 09:32 PM
Top line players must step up in game 3. Where is the beast mode in the captain???

Henrik has to show up and shoot more pucks to the net. -stay inside the high traffic areas. He needs to make life miserable for Quick instead of being the playmaker. If Daniel isn't there to play the cycle with him, he has to find ways to generate more offense himself and with his linemates.

You want Henrik to get into high-traffic areas and make life miserable for someone?...

:facepalm:

StylinRed
04-13-2012, 09:37 PM
well time for F1 Qualifying hopefully i wont be disappointed there either :/

fobulaus
04-13-2012, 09:37 PM
Well, we're not saying that the problems is just limited to goaltending. All it is, is just one of the discussions of things within the team that needs to be addressed.

I think the reason why the PP issue is not as vocal as it is, is because it's not really controversial as the fanbase is in unison. United as, we all were already pissed that latter half of the reg. season, our PP is failing to generate, moreso now that it's not just failing to give us goals, but it's also giving us goals against.


I don't imagine 1 fan disagreeing with the state of our powerplay. The goaltending issue however, is a bit tricky as it's not just really "cut-and-dry." ... so really there's more to discuss
I don't feel that the outcome would be any different if we had Schneider in net instead of Luongo for games 1/2.. The only reason I see putting Schneider in is to "change things up" and give the team a bit of a lift...

HonestTea
04-13-2012, 09:39 PM
well time for F1 Qualifying hopefully i wont be disappointed there either :/

Yeah..only upside..hope Button doesn't get P5 or something bad like that :(

bballguy
04-13-2012, 09:40 PM
I don't feel that the outcome would be any different if we had Schneider in net instead of Luongo for games 1/2.. The only reason I see putting Schneider in is to "change things up" and give the team a bit of a lift...


You don't think the team has often played a lot better in front of Schneider than Luongo?? Again, nobody is stating that Schneider would necessarily play better than Luongo....It's the guys in front....

cliffhanger33
04-13-2012, 09:42 PM
It's the right time to play CS on Sunday, you can't put Schneider out there when it's 0-3 in the series

Bonka
04-13-2012, 09:43 PM
Kassian has rode the pine for the most part in the series so far.

There was mention that Reinprecht could be called in during the playoffs. Could that factor in now?

Also, being able to start Schneider is a luxury we can afford. He is at worst as good as Luongo. You could never say that before. And as mentioned, the team does seem to play better with him in net during the last half of the season.

SkinnyPupp
04-13-2012, 09:43 PM
Goaltending is not the problem IMO. We NEED to be better on the powerplay... The officiating hasn't been in our favor but we've had plenty of chances on the PP.. Don't give up a short handed goal at the very least...

And great we had 2 goals today... but from Hansen and Pahlsson? Top 2 lines need to step up... And yes I agree that Edler/Hamhuis need to be much more reliable...

If we have been capitalizing on the powerplays this series could easily be 1-1 or 2-0 in our favor (even though we've been playing like shit)...
It can't just be the powerplay. It is so far gone, how can you fix it? Aside from the Oilers (let's not count them because... well it's the Oilers) they haven't scored a PP in like 30 games. If you look back I think it goes 2 PPGs in 50 games.... It's beyond brutal, so forget about it. Especially against the Kings PK

cliffhanger33
04-13-2012, 09:44 PM
Sutter just knows how to really shut down the canucks, making it a very tough series

thinking about it now, we shud have tanked it against the oilers LOLOLOL

Noir
04-13-2012, 09:48 PM
I don't feel that the outcome would be any different if we had Schneider in net instead of Luongo for games 1/2.. The only reason I see putting Schneider in is to "change things up" and give the team a bit of a lift...

I'm clearly a Schneider fan, but I`ll be honest. I don't think so either :shhh:

But at as a wild card, I'm gambling that he'll upstage Luongo, but that's all it is, a gamble; and I'm hedging that Schneider really was never a bad bet to begin with.


To be honest, playing a goalie like Quick in a series, it's going to take equal or near perfect goaltending for us to come out alive on this one. I don't really care which of our goaltenders we get it from. I just want it from someone and the last two games, Lu although far from shitting the bed, still was giving up 1 weak ones.

Judging from what LA and Quick has been showing thus far, it's a bit scary as to what level of goaltending that's going to take to steal this series back in our favour.

bballguy
04-13-2012, 09:52 PM
Sutter just knows how to really shut down the canucks, making it a very tough series

thinking about it now, we shud have tanked it against the oilers LOLOLOL

Tanking against the Oilers wouldn't have been strategy since the 7th and 8th seeds were decided AFTER that game; and nobody thought that LA would've lost back-to-back games against San Jose to finish the season.

cliffhanger33
04-13-2012, 09:53 PM
Tanking against the Oilers wouldn't have been strategy since the 7th and 8th seeds were decided AFTER that game; and nobody thought that LA would've lost back-to-back games against San Jose to finish the season.

of course

That's why i said "thinking about it now"

EmperorIS
04-13-2012, 09:58 PM
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/18533559.jpg

fobulaus
04-13-2012, 10:00 PM
It can't just be the powerplay. It is so far gone, how can you fix it? Aside from the Oilers (let's not count them because... well it's the Oilers) they haven't scored a PP in like 30 games. If you look back I think it goes 2 PPGs in 50 games.... It's beyond brutal, so forget about it. Especially against the Kings PK

It's not just the powerplay... But IMO the Canucks are a good enough team that even though they have been playing like crap, they could still be winning games.....

Think about if we scored 1 PP goal in game 1 (despite of spending the entire 2nd period on the PK) and scored a PP goal instead of letting in one today.. The series could look a lot different...

Noir
04-13-2012, 10:02 PM
Putting goaltending aside from the moment, I think one of the most painful thing to watch in the last 2 games is our inability to play with possession.

It's wierd seeing a bunch of President's Trophy calibre pros that can't seem to make and/or catch a pass. Each pass just ends up being a turnover. I know it's so arrogant to say it, but watching the lack of connection on what's supposed to be easy passess is like watching low div hockey. It's also what's stunting our breakout too I believe. In fact, there were a few situations that even on the PP, our possession trying to gain the blue line was so scrambly.

cressydrift
04-13-2012, 10:08 PM
No NHL team had ever won a playoff series without scoring at least one power play goal. That is, until the Boston Bruins, who were 0-for-21 with the man advantage, beat the Montreal Canadiens in a memorable and dramatic seven-game series in the NHL's first round of the 2011 playoffs on Wednesday night in Boston.
Just as it did earlier in the series, it took overtime for the third-seeded Bruins to win the series-deciding game (by a score of 4-3) and ultimately pull off the unexpected and unprecedented in hockey history, overcoming an 0-2 series deficit to win a playoff series. And it beat its arch-rivals to do it!


Read more: 2011 Boston Bruins Playoff Run: One Monkey Off Its Back, One To Go - Blogcritics Sports (http://blogcritics.org/sports/article/2011-boston-bruins-playoff-run-one/#ixzz1rzZs4SSO)

Tim Budong
04-13-2012, 10:08 PM
Simple..

Mike Richards/Carter along with Brown/Kopitar really stepped up
So Kesler and Booth stepped up..but that was kinda it.

I'll say this again. Daniel or not, that PP cant even break out properly, let alone set up the play. Offensively 5v5...many mistakes to be had.

What the fuck are those Edler drop passes in the Dzone.. FUCK

Gh0stRider
04-13-2012, 10:13 PM
plenty of fights in the stands...GG

fobulaus
04-13-2012, 10:15 PM
No NHL team had ever won a playoff series without scoring at least one power play goal. That is, until the Boston Bruins, who were 0-for-21 with the man advantage, beat the Montreal Canadiens in a memorable and dramatic seven-game series in the NHL's first round of the 2011 playoffs on Wednesday night in Boston.
Just as it did earlier in the series, it took overtime for the third-seeded Bruins to win the series-deciding game (by a score of 4-3) and ultimately pull off the unexpected and unprecedented in hockey history, overcoming an 0-2 series deficit to win a playoff series. And it beat its arch-rivals to do it!


Read more: 2011 Boston Bruins Playoff Run: One Monkey Off Its Back, One To Go - Blogcritics Sports (http://blogcritics.org/sports/article/2011-boston-bruins-playoff-run-one/#ixzz1rzZs4SSO)
Weren't we suppose to win the cup last year because Canada won the Olympics gold medal? Or was it this year because we won 2 consecutive president trophies?

Not that I don't want the Canucks to win... but its hard to believe these silly statistics..

fobulaus
04-13-2012, 10:21 PM
You don't think the team has often played a lot better in front of Schneider than Luongo?? Again, nobody is stating that Schneider would necessarily play better than Luongo....It's the guys in front....
You could be right..... It would be a psychological issue more than anything..
If I was a betting man I would guess Schneider starts on Sunday...

Either way, my point was that PP is something that could be worked on...
We were ranked #1 last season and something like #6 this year...

UFO
04-13-2012, 10:24 PM
There was mention that Reinprecht could be called in during the playoffs. Could that factor in now?


Lawrence Gillman stated today that Reinprecht needs to clear re-entry waivers before he can play for the Canucks. Many had assumed that once playoffs start waivers don't exist which is not true.

Our skill game isn't really coming together right now, so we need to get into hard grinding game and winning the small puck battles (Higgins style) which I'm not sure we are a better team than LA at the grind game. The way LA's top players have played, their skill game is clearly a couple of steps above ours. So it's obviously a big uphill battle. Quick has played well, but there are strategies to beat him. He goes down really early, and challenges really aggressively. Get him moving side to side and that opens up a lot of net because of how far out he is, on scrums around the crease there is lots of space a bit higher up because of how low Quick plays. Our PP, when the drop pass is not getting picked off, is being pressured by LA's aggressive PK which is pushing our d-men closer to the blue line and creating separation from our plays down low. When we do get that point shot set up from so far away, there are too many body's and sticks in the shooting lane and that is assuming that we can even hit the net with the point shot.

Kesler had some great jump today but the downside the fruits of his labours were low percentage scoring chances. I thought Burrows played a great physical game, something i hadn't seen this much of from him in a while. I agree the right move is to start Schneider for game 3 for the sole reason of getting a response from the team and I'm a big Luongo fan. He's made every save he's expected to and then some IMO. What does AV do IF we win game 3 though? Does he have the balls to ride Schneider until he falters when Luongo has done everything in his power to keep playing? I have faith the players can still pull through, but I have much less faith in the coaching and scouting staff.

bballguy
04-13-2012, 10:26 PM
Weren't we suppose to win the cup last year because Canada won the Olympics gold medal? Or was it this year because we won 2 consecutive president trophies?

Not that I don't want the Canucks to win... but its hard to believe these silly statistics..

He's just saying that it's possible...trying to be optimistic....There's no superstition or anything behind this...He's simply saying that it's still very possible to overcome this 2-game deficit, despite the fact that we've given away both games at home, and despite the fact that we have the shittiest powerplay I have ever seen...keep the hope alive...

cressydrift
04-13-2012, 10:26 PM
Weren't we suppose to win the cup last year because Canada won the Olympics gold medal? Or was it this year because we won 2 consecutive president trophies?

Not that I don't want the Canucks to win... but its hard to believe these silly statistics..

Uh, what?

Noir
04-13-2012, 10:34 PM
What the fuck are those Edler drop passes in the Dzone.. FUCK

What do you mean "wtf?"

The D has been doing that the whole year for 2 season now. It's also why we had the most highly rated PP last season; it's our efficiency in gaining the blue with possession rather than throwing it in for a dump & chase.

The problem is (and this is even before the Play-Offs) is that the rest of the league has caught on to the play; and its kinda hard not to when last year we were the league's center of attention.


I wouldn't exactly blame Edler as the organized hockey culture has a wierd quirk. If you've ever played minors or juniors, if you deviate from the coach's playbook and start making your own individual plays, it's a quick way to start getting benched and into the doghouse (just look at our $4M defensemen, Ballard)


To be honest, I really blame the coaching staff. The PP setup, and the PP breakout has been neutralized more than 50 games ago; yet for some reason, we're still executing the same exact play every time to no effect. TBH, it's this kind of inability of Vigneault to make adjustments is what I find frustrating in him; sure he'll mix up the lines but what's the point. Its the exact same plays: the defenseman drop pass breakout... or on the PP, the Salo bomb setup.

fobulaus
04-13-2012, 10:36 PM
People last yr were saying that we would win the cup because history has shown that there was a pattern of Canadian teams winning the Stanley Cup following a Canadian win in Olympics hockey...
Ok I guess that's not your point, Im just bitter right now.

Not really racist!
04-13-2012, 10:41 PM
^ the pattern is acutally

winning the stanley cup the season after the year you hosted the olympics

bballguy
04-13-2012, 10:41 PM
^but we dun fucked dat up.

fobulaus
04-13-2012, 10:43 PM
Yeah, whatever it was..... Well, we disproved that theory..

Not really racist!
04-13-2012, 10:43 PM
^but we dun fucked dat up.

shoulda put "was" lulz

TRDood
04-13-2012, 10:45 PM
plenty of fights in the stands...GG

Section 302 some white guy punched an asian girl @ 18:00 minute mark of the 3rd.

Hondaracer
04-13-2012, 11:12 PM
^ that's why I don't sit in the upper bowl

And why I sit amongst the worst fans in the league in the lower..

Sigh...

The last 2 games were the worst playoff games I've been to in terms of hype and atmosphere, Vancouver fans outside of the peope who actually know a thing or two like the majority of the people in this thread deserve nothing from this team.

Bonka
04-13-2012, 11:15 PM
They should take Edler off the PP completely. I would take my chances with Salo.

spoon.ek9
04-13-2012, 11:15 PM
What do you mean "wtf?"

The D has been doing that the whole year for 2 season now. It's also why we had the most highly rated PP last season; it's our efficiency in gaining the blue with possession rather than throwing it in for a dump & chase.

The problem is (and this is even before the Play-Offs) is that the rest of the league has caught on to the play; and its kinda hard not to when last year we were the league's center of attention.


I wouldn't exactly blame Edler as the organized hockey culture has a wierd quirk. If you've ever played minors or juniors, if you deviate from the coach's playbook and start making your own individual plays, it's a quick way to start getting benched and into the doghouse (just look at our $4M defensemen, Ballard)


To be honest, I really blame the coaching staff. The PP setup, and the PP breakout has been neutralized more than 50 games ago; yet for some reason, we're still executing the same exact play every time to no effect. TBH, it's this kind of inability of Vigneault to make adjustments is what I find frustrating in him; sure he'll mix up the lines but what's the point. Its the exact same plays: the defenseman drop pass breakout... or on the PP, the Salo bomb setup.

This is exactly how I viewed the SCF last year. We made no changes to adapt to how Boston was playing us and we lost the cup because of it. I don't know if it's just AV being stubborn or this whole "sticking to the process" bullshit but something has to change next game. It is a must win situation imo.

Hondaracer
04-13-2012, 11:17 PM
Everything changed when teams caught on to our drop pass entry on the PP and we never adapted since

highfive
04-13-2012, 11:20 PM
They need to put Kassian/big guy on the PP. We need someone to create space an at least able to hold the puck along the boards.

Kesler, Henrik, Burrows, Raymond, and Ebbett aren't doing it.

Booth and Higgins are decent at it.

But we need someone big enough to fight off the aggressiveness of the Kings.

rsx
04-13-2012, 11:21 PM
Just got back from the game. Wow, what a stinker.

I feel for Luongo, he played well the past 2 games and the team let him down.

TRDood
04-13-2012, 11:22 PM
I think AV is to blame here. In the first period Bieska was paired with Ballard. Tanev was paired with Elder. WTF

Why is Ebbet even on PP?
Down 3-1 with 5 mins to go. Take unnecessary penalties and game misconducts?
Loungo was good again but not god-like.
Hank was the slowest skater. Circle behind the net like Crosby but turns it over...
Wanted to murder Elder.

Big concern is that LA is not even playing dirty. Canucks are being outplayed by skill and defense. Fuck.

TRDood
04-13-2012, 11:25 PM
But lower bowl is too expensive. I wasn't feeling the intro compared to last year's playoffs.

The game is not even sold out completely. There were quite a few empty seats and a handful of tickets available at 3pm today.

^ that's why I don't sit in the upper bowl

And why I sit amongst the worst fans in the league in the lower..

Sigh...

The last 2 games were the worst playoff games I've been to in terms of hype and atmosphere, Vancouver fans outside of the peope who actually know a thing or two like the majority of the people in this thread deserve nothing from this team.

kluk
04-13-2012, 11:31 PM
5 games left. We gotta win 4. Yeah....

AzNightmare
04-13-2012, 11:34 PM
Section 302 some white guy punched an asian girl @ 18:00 minute mark of the 3rd.

What's the story behind that?? :fulloffuck:



I wonder is this AV's limit. Good regular season coach,
(given he has a pretty strong team to work with),
but weak playoff coach because of his inability to make changes and adapt to the opponent... ?

I think most people have agreed to put Schneider in to shake things up for game 3,
but I wouldn't be surprised if AV put Luongo in still.

But if Canucks did win with Schneider in net, I would leave him in for the rest of the series.
No point changing things up if Canucks win. Just business, have to play with the goalie that the team wins with,
even if he doesn't necessarily play better or worse than the other one.

murd0c
04-13-2012, 11:36 PM
^ that's why I don't sit in the upper bowl

And why I sit amongst the worst fans in the league in the lower..

Sigh...

The last 2 games were the worst playoff games I've been to in terms of hype and atmosphere, Vancouver fans outside of the peope who actually know a thing or two like the majority of the people in this thread deserve nothing from this team.

I've sat at a number of games in the upper bowl and I have seen as many issues in the upper level as I have seen in the lower level.

bballguy
04-13-2012, 11:38 PM
5 games left. We gotta win 4. Yeah....

1 game at a time.

iwantaskyline
04-13-2012, 11:41 PM
This is what cup teams are made for. Coming back from being 2 games down when everyone has written you off. It aint over until the fat lady sings. Remember our lead on Boston last year?

Gut feeling for me is Schneids goes in for game 3. Not that Lu has played bad but I think AV could do this to shake up the team.

kluk
04-13-2012, 11:43 PM
yeah Schneids could very well turn this thing around (not saying Lu is bad or anything) but a change would be good for us now.

Hondaracer
04-13-2012, 11:48 PM
If schneider wins game 3 he will start game 4

bballguy
04-13-2012, 11:50 PM
If schneider wins game 3 he will start game 4

ORLY?

iwantaskyline
04-13-2012, 11:50 PM
2011 Stanley Cup Playoffs,

Montreal led Boston 2-0 - Boston wins.

Vancouver leads Boston 2-0 - Boston wins.

Being down 2-0 is not the end of the world.

DanHibiki
04-13-2012, 11:53 PM
2009 Cup finals

Detroit up 2-0...Pittsburgh wins Cup

Oleophobic
04-13-2012, 11:55 PM
2011 Stanley Cup Playoffs,

Montreal led Boston 2-0 - Boston wins.

Philly leads Boston 3-0 - Boson wins.

Vancouver leads Boston 2-0 - Boston wins.

Being down 2-0 is not the end of the world.

Boston swept Philly last year...

I think you mean 2010 playoffs when Boston led Philly 3-0 and Philly came back to win the series

bloodmack
04-13-2012, 11:58 PM
Pens are doing far worst than Vancouver.

iwantaskyline
04-13-2012, 11:59 PM
Boston swept Philly last year...

I think you mean 2010 playoffs when Boston led Philly 3-0 and Philly came back to win the series

oops :whistle:

Ronin
04-14-2012, 12:01 AM
Lu has played well all year except for October and two weeks in March. He's been the only Canuck to show up in the two games so far.

...but Schneider has better stats. Schneider steals games. I see no reason why Schneider can't play even better than Lu in net. I don't blame Lu for the losses...they were far from his fault but I can't help but feel optimistic that Schneider will win a game for us all on his own. He's just that sort of dude and that's weird to feel about a guy with so little experience but his season didn't happen by accident. Guy will be a star.

Ronin
04-14-2012, 12:04 AM
Pens are doing far worst than Vancouver.

No, the Pens were in their games far more than the Canucks were in theirs. If you watched those games, the Pens were a bounce away from winning both times.

Tonight, the puck was about 6-7 inches away from being 6-5 Penguins but the Flyers turned the play and scored to make it 6-5 in their favor and then the Pens were caught being overly offensive trying to tie it up which led to defensive breakdowns.

The Canucks just straight up beat themselves with poor play. That isn't to say the Pen's D had a great game but their offense came to play and that game could've gone in either direction. The Canucks had a ton of shots but how many good scoring chances?

DanHibiki
04-14-2012, 12:06 AM
Lu was great. Not to blame.

Schneider going in game 3 will be to change things up, nothing more. He will also do well.

iwantaskyline
04-14-2012, 12:12 AM
No, the Pens were in their games far more than the Canucks were in theirs. If you watched those games, the Pens were a bounce away from winning both times.

Tonight, the puck was about 6-7 inches away from being 6-5 Penguins but the Flyers turned the play and scored to make it 6-5 in their favor and then the Pens were caught being overly offensive trying to tie it up which led to defensive breakdowns.

The Canucks just straight up beat themselves with poor play. That isn't to say the Pen's D had a great game but their offense came to play and that game could've gone in either direction. The Canucks had a ton of shots but how many good scoring chances?

Seriously? I'd say the Pens are doing worse. Why? Because both games they had big leads and let Philly come back and win. We lost game 1 due to a bad bounce from Edler which resulted in the game winning goal.

AzNightmare
04-14-2012, 12:16 AM
ORLY?

I would think, Yes really. Unless AV's a complete moron.



And this comparing with Canucks and Pens...
Different issues, same results.
The way I see it, both teams are down 2-0 in their series. :fuckthatshit:

Obsideon
04-14-2012, 12:17 AM
I think because our power-play is so shit right now the Kings are taking more chances hence giving up 2 short-handed goals tonight ... our PP really needs to start clicking to turn the tides in our favour!

kristianhay
04-14-2012, 12:48 AM
What really irks me is the lack of push back from the Canucks, and AV not being dynamic enough to change systems on the fly. I'm all for sticking to your systems and what has garnered success, but when the other team is reading everything so well, you need to be able to adapt and make changes. That's where coaching comes in, and AV is getting badly out coached.

Couple things that stand out for me, coaching wise.

1. Powerplay breakout is NOT working, at all
2. AV not strategically using time outs (See Laviolette taking a timeout when the team was down 2-0, come back and win it.. twice)
3. Zone entry + setting up the powerplay is terrible
4. Line combinations did not work

All these things (and more obviously) aren't going for us right now, and I haven't seen AV do anything about it.

Every fucking time we try to enter the zone, we try and do a hard rim around for the winger to get on the forecheck. Problem is, Quick either stops it or the d-man knows it's coming and simply intercepts the rim. Not to mention F1 isn't there to forecheck at all. Our forecheck is pretty much non-existant.

The team needs to wake the fuck up or suffer an embarrassing first round exit to a fringe playoff team. I'm a die hard Canucks fan but this is an absolute joke.

If you have been following the other series', you'd notice that the Canucks probably look like the worst team right now (Ottawa aside maybe, but even then). Seems like we have no heart and our big guns aren't stepping up (aside from Lu, who's been playing well).

/rant

EmperorIS
04-14-2012, 01:08 AM
lol @ u all panicing

its sooooooo obvious canucks are losing on purpose so they can go to game 7 to sell more tickets

DUHHHHHHHHHHH

LsquareD
04-14-2012, 01:29 AM
lol @ u all panicing

its sooooooo obvious canucks are losing on purpose so they can go to game 7 to sell more tickets

DUHHHHHHHHHHH

http://oi41.tinypic.com/wcln9z.jpg

AzNightmare
04-14-2012, 02:24 AM
lol @ u all panicing

its sooooooo obvious canucks are losing on purpose so they can go to game 7 to sell more tickets

DUHHHHHHHHHHH

No, they did that strategy last year against the Blackhawks. :badpokerface:

This year, they are just sucking.

SkinnyPupp
04-14-2012, 04:37 AM
2011 Stanley Cup Playoffs,

Montreal led Boston 2-0 - Boston wins.

Vancouver leads Boston 2-0 - Boston wins.

Being down 2-0 is not the end of the world.
Should get LA to hire Cloutier back...

Vancouver led Detroit 2-0 and lost the next 4, so he has a lot of experience :derp:

68style
04-14-2012, 06:24 AM
I'm in Coachella can't see the games right now but I see shots at 48-26 for the Canucks last night and it leads me to believe Luongo isn't being the difference maker he needs to be

SkinnyPupp
04-14-2012, 06:34 AM
Those shots are misleading. Canucks were totally outplayed for the most part (like not owned, but outplayed) and outchanced overall. Luongo wasn't the reason for losing, but he wasn't the 'difference maker' they needed to win with 2 goals either.

Out of the 4 goals, only 1 was really bad. MAYBE 2 if you include him bellyflopping on the breakaway, but that was a good breakaway shot.

TheKingdom2000
04-14-2012, 07:43 AM
Anyone else think if AV benches Loungo he'll pull a Patrick Roy and be like fcuk this?

AzNightmare
04-14-2012, 07:44 AM
I remember reading an article how Luongo often bellyflops, giving him no chance for rebound shots that go above 11 inches.
While Schneider often falls on his ass, enabling him to still make desperation saves.

Not saying Schneider would have saved that wraparound goal anyway, but if Schneider was on his ass,
Bieksa wouldn't have needed to jump over (on top of the goalie), and maybe Schneider wouldn't have loss sight of the puck like Luongo
since you can see a lot better sitting up than lying down.

Just saying...

JesseBlue
04-14-2012, 08:14 AM
Something good came out of last nights game... I woke up so early today that i cleaned my car

Renthal
04-14-2012, 09:17 AM
Kristin Reid ‏ @reidder
I've been told not only will Daniel Sedin not travel to LA for Games 3 and 4- he will not be available at all in this series

sh0n
04-14-2012, 09:17 AM
Let's face it the Canucks are not playing Playoff hockey.

There's absolutely no intensity and urgency to win (this reminds me of SCF 2011 vs Bruins)

You can only blame the players so much and it comes to a point where I really believe that coaching needs to be addressed in the off-season.

It's pretty obvious that AV's time with the Canucks is over he's too much of a nonchalant type of coach where the players don't even respond to him anymore. Guy doesn't even call a timeout to address or spark his team, consistently plays the wrong players on the wrong lines and defense pairings. Favors and plays the worst players on the team.

Not sure what the Game 1 antics were but there was no need for the Canucks to come out playing the physical game, going head hunting and having all those antics and embellishments. We are a better team than this that plays a skilled and puck possession game. The team has lost it's focus and it's Coach AV and his assistants that are too blame.

They have the worst breakout and powerplay setup ever. It's these things that have dugged ourselves into a 2-0 hole and I'm not sure if AV is smart enough to adjust.

Hindsight is definitely 20/20 and if we somehow win this year, then great but if we don't the direction of the coaching definitely needs to be changed.

sh0n
04-14-2012, 09:21 AM
Anyone else think if AV benches Loungo he'll pull a Patrick Roy and be like fcuk this?

Loungo is better that that and no one knows what will happen to the series or off season if he sits.

Nucks need a change and perhaps starting schneides will give a boost to the team.

Don't get me wrong I'm a huge Luongo supporter, he's played well so far but you never know with playing a different goalie the entire team dynamic is different too.

sh0n
04-14-2012, 09:22 AM
Kristin Reid ‏ @reidder
I've been told not only will Daniel Sedin not travel to LA for Games 3 and 4- he will not be available at all in this series

Sad face if Daniel doesn't play at all.

Duncan Keith's Elbow > 2012 Canucks Season:rukidding::rukidding:

unit
04-14-2012, 09:46 AM
Those shots are misleading. Canucks were totally outplayed for the most part (like not owned, but outplayed) and outchanced overall. Luongo wasn't the reason for losing, but he wasn't the 'difference maker' they needed to win with 2 goals either.

Out of the 4 goals, only 1 was really bad. MAYBE 2 if you include him bellyflopping on the breakaway, but that was a good breakaway shot.

he was doing the breast stroke as usual.

also, does anyone else feel that hating the canucks is the new bandwagon?
i swear most people dont even have a clue why they hate them, they just heard that other canadians dont like them and its the new cool thing to do.

bballguy
04-14-2012, 09:49 AM
he was doing the breast stroke as usual.

also, does anyone else feel that hating the canucks is the new bandwagon?
i swear most people dont even have a clue why they hate them, they just heard that other canadians dont like them and its the new cool thing to do.

It's called being a troll....

spideyv2
04-14-2012, 09:50 AM
Kristin Reid ‏ @reidder
I've been told not only will Daniel Sedin not travel to LA for Games 3 and 4- he will not be available at all in this series

Im almost positive that daniel has a broken/fractured jaw, and not a concussion.

Managment never specifically said what his injury was, just "upperbody." Daniel was also told not to speak with the media, which would have been a dead give away.

Anyways, I still have faith in the canucks to take this series over, but AV really needs to switch things up.

MR_BIGGS
04-14-2012, 09:51 AM
The Kings do look very good on paper.

I think this series will be won on special teams and Canucks do have the edge when discussing the 3rd and 4th lines.

Before the series started, lots of people were saying, the Kings can play a bruising way effectively and if the Canucks can't get their powerplay going, they will pay for it. The Canucks success will go by who wins special teams, and thats where they are losing.

Tapioca
04-14-2012, 09:58 AM
Game 3 is more or less a do-or-die game. Contrary to what some people have said, I think the Canucks played a decent game last night. The Kings have been a far more opportunistic team (scoring from broken plays, etc.), which has been the difference so far.

I have been pretty disappointed in a few players though, mainly Edler and David Booth. Booth is struggling with decision-making and can't maintain possession of the puck. Edler has just gone brain dead. I would give Kassian more minutes - he looks lost out there at times, but at least he knows how to hold the puck. If Dustin Penner can elevate his game, it shouldn't be a stretch for a young kid like Kassian to elevate his too if given an opportunity.

There's still a chance for the Canucks to get their confidence back with a grinding victory on the road. If they're going to take Game 3, they'll take it 1-0 or 2-1 in OT. Schneids will start because this team needs a shakeup. The team also tends to a play a simpler game in front of Schneids.

Renthal
04-14-2012, 10:28 AM
these have been posted a billion times but still...celebs and nhl players separated at birth…

2012 NHL Playoffs Separated at Birth - Photos - SI.com (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/1204/nhl-playoffs-separated-at-birth/content.1.html)

lol at susan boyle and zidlicky

MR_BIGGS
04-14-2012, 10:35 AM
Daniel Sedin will not play in the first round of playoffs.

invader
04-14-2012, 10:39 AM
Yea, do it for Daniel (DID)

Tim Budong
04-14-2012, 10:44 AM
Special teams are working against this team
regardless, sometimes, looking at stats is pointless, simply because certain players can beast their way through and not contribute on the scoreboard, yet be SUPER EFFECTIVE

This is what the Canucks need to bring to the table, match the intensity by doing the right things and take control. Richards/Carter/Brown/Kopitar have done just that to be the difference. Whether they pop a goal in or not, they are doing the right things with and without the puck to cause trouble.

Starting Schneids is one way to shake things up. I think thats the only way to do it... AV will not bench Raymond as much as we want him to. Funny how he's HORRIBLE, yet he does a few things right when on the PK and utilizes his speed in that regard.

Things get harder for the Canucks, going to LA, where ice is bad and after the next two games means a 4 day break before 5.
win the next two, regroup and take the next two

Canucks in 6. still possible guys

Ludepower
04-14-2012, 10:48 AM
Daniel is no excuse why the team is losing.
We have a stacked veteran team losing to an 8th seed team.
We're playing with the mentality that we'll make it back to the Stanley cup finals without breaking a sweat.

Wake up you spoiled brats...this aint October...you're in the playoffs now...act like it.

Ronin
04-14-2012, 10:54 AM
New 1st unit PP:

20-33-17-2-23

kristianhay
04-14-2012, 10:56 AM
^

Confirmed?

spideyv2
04-14-2012, 11:02 AM
Take edler off the powerplay for ffs, he's earned his spot off it

sonick
04-14-2012, 11:04 AM
I lol'd when I saw the Kings do the drop-pass PP entry in the 3rd.

So sad, it looks like the Canucks only had thee PP entry plays: Drop-pass, carry-in or ring-around the boards... All three of which the Kings read like a book.

fobulaus
04-14-2012, 11:08 AM
Im almost positive that daniel has a broken/fractured jaw, and not a concussion.

Managment never specifically said what his injury was, just "upperbody." Daniel was also told not to speak with the media, which would have been a dead give away.

Anyways, I still have faith in the canucks to take this series over, but AV really needs to switch things up.

What? How do you know this???

Tim Budong
04-14-2012, 11:10 AM
PP announced on twitter from practice

anyways..im sick of the bullshit..im just gonna throw this one out there...

NO DANIEL SEDIN ISNT AN EXCUSE TO PLAY LIKE SHIT

quasi
04-14-2012, 11:10 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if Daniel plays tomorrow, hurt or not.

Tim Budong
04-14-2012, 11:11 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if Daniel plays tomorrow, hurt or not.

form Canucks presser

Daniel is not travelling with the team to LA

Renthal
04-14-2012, 11:14 AM
elliot friedman on cbc just said daneil did not travel with the team but could join the team later in the week :suspicious:

whereas kristen reid said he is done for the first round

Hondaracer
04-14-2012, 11:29 AM
with Kesler on the first unit the 2nd unit PP is basically obsoltete..

things looking grim

spideyv2
04-14-2012, 11:39 AM
with Kesler on the first unit the 2nd unit PP is basically obsoltete..

things looking grim

Yup. Trading coho half way through the season? :fuckthatshit:

spideyv2
04-14-2012, 11:40 AM
What? How do you know this???

Speculation on my behalf

Ch28
04-14-2012, 11:41 AM
elliot friedman on cbc just said daneil did not travel with the team but could join the team later in the week :suspicious:

whereas kristen reid said he is done for the first round

I'd believe Kristen Reid over Friedman.

pastarocket
04-14-2012, 11:47 AM
Coach AV and his assistants are getting outcoached big time by Sutter.

What's the difference in the series besides special teams? Systems play. LA is playing an aggressive forechecking system and winning battles for the pucks in the boards.

For whatever reason, the Canucks are not making the quick adjustments in their zone breakouts and powerplay to counteract what Sutter is coaching his players to do. That blame falls on both the coaching staff for not adjusting strategy fast enough and the players for not executing the strategy.

Keys to winning the series:

1) Fast tempo zone breakouts: No more D men standing behind the net and reading the play for break outs. You saw it in game 1 with Richards just standing in front of Lu and trying to forecheck, waiting for Bieksa or another D men to take the puck out. That's TOO SLOW.

The D men must come break out of their zone with speed, speed, and more speed. Forwards need to be ready for the quick pass. Maybe the coach can consider putting Gragnani in the game. He is a fast skater, that can move the puck quickly.

2) Gridlock traffic in front of Quick as much as possible. Quick cannot make the save if he cannot see the puck. Kassian showed briefly in game 2 that he can do his power move protecting the puck, and play a cycle game.

Why not put Kassian on the first line and get a cycle game going with Henrik? Burrows attacks the net, gets to high traffic area, to get the garbage goals along with Kassian. Burrows can also get more chances shooting from the high slot while Kassian and Henrik cycle the puck and cause havoc in the Kings zone.

I would even put Kassian in front of the net on the power play too.

3) Best players must play like the best players. Game 2 stats: Kesler, Higgins, 6 shots each. +/- of Minus one. Booth: Six hits. NO SHOTS, Minus one. Henrik, 6 shots. NO POINTS for these players.

The top 6 forwards must produce points in game 3 or else the Canucks are done like dinner.

4) Hustle! Hustle! Win the puck battles. The forwards need to work extra hard and be quick to the puck. It was sickening to watch the Kings win puck battles at the boards through most of game 1 AND 2.

5) A goaltending change. Luongo is not the main reason the team is behind 2-0 in the series. Luuu has played good, but not outstanding in terms of not making the highway robbery saves to keep his team in his games.

Granted, his team mates have not scored enough goals on 5 on 5 or on the PP to give him goal support.

Why not put in Schneider just to give the Kings a new look? Corey has proven that he can play under playoff pressure based on his game last season vs. Chicago in round 1. The Kings have never faced Schneider at all this season. A change in goaltending is not a knock against Luongo's play.

6) Attack the net! Play aggressive but smart. There is still too much shots from the perimeter. Booth and the forwards have the keep going forward, bring the pucks to the net and stand in front of Quick to screen that goalie.

Booth has that power move where he takes the puck to the net. He has to do that more. I don't expect May Ray to skate to the net and play aggressive. He's not that type of player anyway. Higgins, Booth, and Kesler have to keep shooting and skate toward Quick. Make life miserable for this guy, but avoid the goalie interference penalties.

7) More bodychecks and physical play. Every Canuck player, except for the goalies, has to pay the price physically and lay out hits on every Kings player. Big bodychecks over the course of a 7 game series will take its toll on LA.

8) Score on the powerplay! The PP has been discussed so much on this thread that I will not elaborate on this point.


I have been a faithful Canucks fan since I was six years old. I've supported this team through thick and thin.

Despite the heartbreak of watching the Canucks lose in the Cup finals in '94 and last year, I will be a fan forever. I have not given up on this team. No bandwagon jumper here.

A comeback series win is possible!

My prediction of Canucks winning in SEVEN games has not changed. No fat lady is gonna sing on this team in this series!

Go Canucks go!!!!!!

punkwax
04-14-2012, 11:52 AM
Everyone looking for someone to blame... the entire team is not playing well in front of Lu. I agree that starting Schneider isn't a bad idea despite Lu not "deserving" to be benched. The team seems to respond well when S is in net, and we need a fucking response. Every team has stepped it up a notch to playoff level hockey, except for our Canucks.

Few bright spots, I like Booth laying down the hits... wish Edler would take a page from that book. Hansen playing really well. Kes better step up and keep it up, he's the guy I'm expecting a hell of a lot more from.

We're not out of it.

spoon.ek9
04-14-2012, 11:54 AM
these have been posted a billion times but still...celebs and nhl players separated at birth…

2012 NHL Playoffs Separated at Birth - Photos - SI.com (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/1204/nhl-playoffs-separated-at-birth/content.1.html)

lol at susan boyle and zidlicky

Tim Thomas & Drew Carey :rofl: also, the Patrick Marleau & Kyle Chandler one REALLY matches.

same with Crosby & Andy Samberg, how did I not realize that before!? hahaha. I guess Lu does kind of look like Borat :whistle:

Greenstoner
04-14-2012, 12:40 PM
would be funny if we got sweep by the Kings, just saying...


i hope not but i would laugh at the people who said "canucks gonna sweep the king" 's face so hard and say YOU DONT KNOW HOCKEY FOOL!!! Take my anger on them instead

bballguy
04-14-2012, 12:43 PM
Caps finally score....1-0 with 2 minutes left in the 2nd...and how well is Holtby playing...he's allowed 1 goal in around 102 minutes....not bad for your 3rd string goaltender...

Noir
04-14-2012, 01:20 PM
What really irks me is the lack of push back from the Canucks, and AV not being dynamic enough to change systems on the fly. I'm all for sticking to your systems and what has garnered success, but when the other team is reading everything so well, you need to be able to adapt and make changes. That's where coaching comes in, and AV is getting badly out coached.


Werd. That was the team philosophy last season & this season. The problem with that? is that regular season affords you an 82 game margin for correction.

Why it sucks in the playoffs? you only have a 3 game margin of error with the 4th one being your nail in your coffin. That's great coaching and great philosophy for the regular season but it's showing how it's counter-intuitive for a play-off environment.

I mean, just look at the 1st round last year against Chicago. We were up 3 - 0 and we almost lost that series if not for Hjalmmerson (IIRC) give-away to Burrows.

Same things with the LA series so far.

bballguy
04-14-2012, 01:26 PM
A playoff series is all about making game-to-game adjustments...LA learned our game and came prepared for game 1...We should have made major adjustments for game 2 but failed to do so...Game 3 will say a lot about how good or bad of a coach AV truly is.

bballguy
04-14-2012, 01:33 PM
Boston ties it up; probably looking at another OT.

TheKingdom2000
04-14-2012, 01:46 PM
OMFGWTFBBQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzQoB4359AQ

skiiipi
04-14-2012, 01:49 PM
OMFGWTFBBQ

Sport Chek Paints the Town - Vancouver Canucks - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzQoB4359AQ)

They are going to do something similar before every game
i have no idea the details/schedule though.......strictly marketing department....and marketing doesn't really talk to us guys in operations

jeedee
04-14-2012, 02:13 PM
Daniel is no excuse why the team is losing.
We have a stacked veteran team losing to an 8th seed team.
We're playing with the mentality that we'll make it back to the Stanley cup finals without breaking a sweat.

Wake up you spoiled brats...this aint October...you're in the playoffs now...act like it.

Technically the Kings are a 3rd seeded team but close 1-0 losses costed them of it.

All season the long the Kings offense had been slumping and went dry. The worse case scenario for the Canucks was the Kings' offense finally "waking" up and it DID. Adding the fact of Quick's solid goaltending doesn't help either.

spoon.ek9
04-14-2012, 02:15 PM
Werd. That was the team philosophy last season & this season. The problem with that? is that regular season affords you an 82 game margin for correction.

Why it sucks in the playoffs? you only have a 3 game margin of error with the 4th one being your nail in your coffin. That's great coaching and great philosophy for the regular season but it's showing how it's counter-intuitive for a play-off environment.

I mean, just look at the 1st round last year against Chicago. We were up 3 - 0 and we almost lost that series if not for Hjalmmerson (IIRC) give-away to Burrows.

Same things with the LA series so far.

Campoli :p

bballguy
04-14-2012, 02:21 PM
Technically the Kings are a 3rd seeded team but close 1-0 losses costed them of it.

All season the long the Kings offense had been slumping and went dry. The worse case scenario for the Canucks was the Kings' offense finally "waking" up and it DID. Adding the fact of Quick's solid goaltending doesn't help either.

It's been 'awake' since the trade deadline when they acquired Jeff Carter....

AWDTurboLuvr
04-14-2012, 02:29 PM
It's been 'awake' since the trade deadline when they acquired Jeff Carter....

Exactly. What were they, 12-4-3 or something like that after the deadline? Averaging 3 goals a game? The Kings weren't a team to take lightly...some of the fans around me at work were saying first-round is a given and they just looked at who they might face in the second round. :rukidding:

cliffhanger33
04-14-2012, 02:38 PM
I shudder at the thought of the Kings forcheck which has been forcing Luongo to play the puck a lot.
As much as Luongo is not that great with puckhandling........just imagine Corey who is a lot worse.

Devastator
04-14-2012, 02:44 PM
Yay Boston loses!

Not really racist!
04-14-2012, 02:45 PM
SUCK IT THOMAS SUCK IT

pure.life
04-14-2012, 02:47 PM
elliot friedman on cbc just said daneil did not travel with the team but could join the team later in the week :suspicious:

whereas kristen reid said he is done for the first round

or maybe Daniel took the bus there instead of taking the chartered plane :accepted:

Tim Budong
04-14-2012, 03:15 PM
Holtby has been amazing


something tells me the Sharks will beat the Blues. Havlat is the gamechanger

highfive
04-14-2012, 03:21 PM
Defence communication has to be better in gm 3.

When you have Edler and Bieksa not playing the way they suppose to, we have a problem.

The defence takes too long to move the puck out. They are unable to pinch as well as they can. It leads to our lack of offence.

I wouldn't be surprised if AV puts in Alberts to put some size in tomorrow.

pastarocket
04-14-2012, 03:22 PM
It's true what some people say about the NHL playoffs. Impact players make a name for themselves in the post season.

Who would have thought that 22 year old Holtby would be outplaying Thomas in this series? Impressive 43 save performance in game 2.:thumbsup:

Capitals showed heart in the victory by blocking shots, forechecking hard, all the attention to the details needed to win.

Anybody have this Holtby goalie in a hockey pool?

Tim Budong
04-14-2012, 03:23 PM
Almost line brawl for NYR/OTT game

Carkner used Brian Boyle as a punching bag
NYR retalliates
Dubinsky gets thrown out along with Carkner
Torts losing it.

Dubinsky throwing the ice bucket. priceless
oh this is great hahaha

Not really racist!
04-14-2012, 03:26 PM
The OT goal let in by Holtby in the first game was a softie lol aside from the 30+ saves; in todays game Thomas made many key saves in OT/OT2 to keep the Bruins in the game

Holtby's lucky that he had defensive support when he let huuge rebounds bounce of his pads but other than that.. really impressive and solid for first and second playoff games of his career.

Renthal
04-14-2012, 03:26 PM
OTT and NYR game… already carkner and dubinsky tossed..

this will be a good one!

neil, konopka, carkner.. ottawa has some goons

pastarocket
04-14-2012, 03:26 PM
Almost line brawl for NYR/OTT game

Carkner used Brian Boyle as a punching bag
NYR retalliates
Dubinsky gets thrown out along with Carkner
Torts losing it.

Dubinsky throwing the ice bucket. priceless
oh this is great hahaha

LOL. Dubinsky gives the Gatorade container a big slam on to the floor.

bballguy
04-14-2012, 03:32 PM
OTT and NYR game… already carkner and dubinsky tossed..

this will be a good one!

neil, konopka, carkner.. ottawa has some goons

Carkner will definitely be suspended...Those might as well have been sucker punches he was throwing...caught Boyle completely off guard; had Boyle pinned to the glass, then Carkner shook off his gloves, and while Boyle's hands were down he must've landed AT LEAST 3 punches to Boyle's face...I have no idea why Dubinsky got tossed, but I'm sure the Sens will be more than happy to take that trade-off...

civicyvr
04-14-2012, 03:35 PM
Noir made alot of good points. So much fail last night. Don't think kings beat us as much as we beat ourselves. Some bandwagoner friends have already jumped off in our group. :rukidding:

I still have faith adjustment will be made to improve our play. It also would not surprise me if AV put Schneids in to change things up. :pokerface:

Tim Budong
04-14-2012, 03:51 PM
Fuck Boston...
If the Lions can go 0-5, and then win the GreyCup, the canucks can win 2 gmes
I dont give a fuck if its different..its about buying into the system and effort
the urgency and willingness to win

Theres no more "correct" way to play the game. Its the willingness to "win" the game

Ch28
04-14-2012, 03:55 PM
Fuck Boston...
If the Lions can go 0-5, and then win the GreyCup, the canucks can win 2 gmes
I dont give a fuck if its different..its about buying into the system and effort
the urgency and willingness to win

Theres no more "correct" way to play the game. Its the willingness to "win" the game

Difference is that the Lions played to win.

Canucks played to lose.

Hondaracer
04-14-2012, 04:00 PM
i think everything could have been solved if Kesler was captain

vyrospec
04-14-2012, 04:04 PM
^ don't think its gonna be much difference, all they need to do is to play better.

cl9
04-14-2012, 04:07 PM
i think everything could have been solved if Kesler was captain
Agreed.
We need a Captain who have fire.

Hondaracer
04-14-2012, 04:09 PM
:troll:

bballguy
04-14-2012, 04:15 PM
I don't think being "named" a captain changes anything...If Kesler was going to be THAT guy, he would've done it with or without the 'C' on his jersey. That 'C' really doesn't mean shit...I've been on plenty of teams where I have been named captain, and I've been on teams where I haven't been named captain due to seniority, but that has never changed the way I talk to my teammates or set an example for them...

bballguy
04-14-2012, 04:20 PM
:troll:

okay...probably should've added that face to your original comment...

Gh0stRider
04-14-2012, 04:39 PM
Brandon Dubinsky DESTROYS a Gatorade Cooler | April 14th, 2012 [HD] - YouTube
http://youtu.be/eRcDfyCkRug

full version

http://youtu.be/94r8eauXqkU

cressydrift
04-14-2012, 04:41 PM
^ what a little bitch

Vansterdam
04-14-2012, 04:48 PM
this senators game is getting rowdy lol

Noir
04-14-2012, 04:51 PM
^ don't think its gonna be much difference, all they need to do is to play better.

By play better you mean, score more than 3 or 4 goals per game? I think people have to remember that we don't have the same dynamic as last year's team. Moreso considering after the trade deadline, we purposely sacrificed scoring power for toughness.


When we sacrificed skill < grit, the 1 - 3 goals per game is exactly where our scoring range is. What's not in our range, is the goals against and 4 in the last 2 is unacceptable. With how we built our team coming into the playoffs, anything over 2 is asking for trouble.

Hondaracer
04-14-2012, 04:55 PM
yea boyle got fucking pounded fuck

Sens Rags game is rough

cliffhanger33
04-14-2012, 04:57 PM
Wish we had as much energy and heart

pastarocket
04-14-2012, 05:02 PM
Good fight between Pavelski and Russell. That Russell can sure throw punches with his right hand.

Renthal
04-14-2012, 05:07 PM
remember a couple years ago when the canucks put in an offer sheet for david backes?
man, what could have been

spoon.ek9
04-14-2012, 05:08 PM
wow! i'm watching the rest of this game now :D

i really want to see the sens win.

trip
04-14-2012, 05:17 PM
sens down by 1 now

Durrann
04-14-2012, 05:20 PM
A playoff series is all about making game-to-game adjustments...LA learned our game and came prepared for game 1...We should have made major adjustments for game 2 but failed to do so...Game 3 will say a lot about how good or bad of a coach AV truly is.

The only major changes AV will make are his lines lol
Line juggling is his solution to everything haha

rsx
04-14-2012, 05:21 PM
NYR and OTT game is damn entertaining!!!

TheKingdom2000
04-14-2012, 05:45 PM
Camera guy for CBC is shit

Bonka
04-14-2012, 05:46 PM
Clutch goal :D

TheKingdom2000
04-14-2012, 05:47 PM
Who's commentating the ranger game?

van19
04-14-2012, 05:55 PM
Bob Cole

spoon.ek9
04-14-2012, 06:05 PM
Game heading to overtime. I wonder how many suspensions there will be after this game.

Bonka
04-14-2012, 06:14 PM
SENS WIN!!!

Canucks could use some of that pushback..Sens were outplayed for much of the first half..

Vansterdam
04-14-2012, 06:15 PM
fuck yea ottawa!

spoon.ek9
04-14-2012, 06:15 PM
SENS WIN! OT GOAL! WOW!

Not really racist!
04-14-2012, 06:15 PM
AWW YEAH

van19
04-14-2012, 06:15 PM
Yess! Sens win in OT

pure.life
04-14-2012, 06:17 PM
wow sens. gritty win. why don't we see any of these battles with the Canucks?

Tim Budong
04-14-2012, 06:17 PM
Chris Neil, great effort!

Tim Budong
04-14-2012, 06:23 PM
LINE BRAWL at the end of Sharks/Blues game
lawls

spoon.ek9
04-14-2012, 06:25 PM
3-0 STL wins. 1-0 for CHI right now.

SkinnyPupp
04-14-2012, 06:27 PM
Who's commentating the ranger game?

Bob Cole
Someone had to ask who Bob Cole was? :fulloffuck:

DsZ24
04-14-2012, 06:28 PM
Raffi ties it, 1-1

spoon.ek9
04-14-2012, 06:29 PM
Torres scored for the 'yotes. I kind of miss having the guy on our team :D

SkinnyPupp
04-14-2012, 06:29 PM
If they had signed Raffi, I assume they wouldn't have needed to trade for Kassian..

Tim Budong
04-14-2012, 06:29 PM
Raffi Torres starts the sequence and ends it

PornMaster
04-14-2012, 06:35 PM
Kassian is kinda like Torres last year. Threw some big hits and got penalized hardcore

kristianhay
04-14-2012, 06:37 PM
Werd. That was the team philosophy last season & this season. The problem with that? is that regular season affords you an 82 game margin for correction.

Why it sucks in the playoffs? you only have a 3 game margin of error with the 4th one being your nail in your coffin. That's great coaching and great philosophy for the regular season but it's showing how it's counter-intuitive for a play-off environment.

I mean, just look at the 1st round last year against Chicago. We were up 3 - 0 and we almost lost that series if not for Hjalmmerson (IIRC) give-away to Burrows.

Same things with the LA series so far.

Yeah, if you read the rest of my post I said that I'm all for it, but it's not working and the Canucks need to adapt and change based on the situation haha.

But yeah, definitely agree with all you said.

spoon.ek9
04-14-2012, 06:41 PM
2-1 PHX ppg

spoon.ek9
04-14-2012, 07:19 PM
WOW... Andrew Shaw just injured Mike Smith.. he's down..

5 MIN major!

threezero
04-14-2012, 07:32 PM
^got links to replay?

spoon.ek9
04-14-2012, 07:41 PM
not right now.. seems like no one has uploaded the clip yet. PHX did score on the 5min major to make it 3-2 though.

Sw0op
04-14-2012, 07:43 PM
its on tsn.ca

mb_
04-14-2012, 07:45 PM
What did Shaw do?!

spoon.ek9
04-14-2012, 07:48 PM
elbowed Smith on the chin as he stopped a rim shot. 5 min major for Charging, got tossed from the game.

TheStig
04-14-2012, 07:48 PM
There ya go:

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1059740/ow_medium.gif

Not really racist!
04-14-2012, 08:06 PM
Now I wonder how Shanny is gonna handle this

Gh0stRider
04-14-2012, 08:17 PM
Andrew Shaw Hits Mike Smith (April 14th 2012 Playoffs) - YouTube

spoon.ek9
04-14-2012, 08:18 PM
Now I wonder how Shanny is gonna handle this

well... look what he did for Ryan Miller. I have no idea what to expect in terms of discipline.

Gh0stRider
04-14-2012, 08:20 PM
he's gonna say that mike smith was out of the crease and its fair game

Hondaracer
04-14-2012, 08:22 PM
new trend, "webering"

http://cmsimg.freep.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=C4&Date=20120414&Category=SPORTS05&ArtNo=204140436&Ref=AR&MaxW=600&Border=0

Not really racist!
04-14-2012, 08:24 PM
Smith gets two games for getting in the way and being at the wrong place at the wrong time

:fuckthatshit:

SkinnyPupp
04-14-2012, 08:24 PM
Now I wonder how Shanny is gonna handle this
Since he's not Weber, probably a suspension

dboy
04-14-2012, 08:24 PM
new trend, "webering"

http://cmsimg.freep.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=C4&Date=20120414&Category=SPORTS05&ArtNo=204140436&Ref=AR&MaxW=600&Border=0

http://www.atalude.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/hnnnng.jpg

spideyv2
04-14-2012, 08:27 PM
I'd let her weber me









Srs

akalic
04-14-2012, 08:28 PM
i'd web all over her

cliffhanger33
04-14-2012, 08:36 PM
HOLY CRAP CHI SCORES Fuck

5.5 seconds with empty net

DsZ24
04-14-2012, 08:36 PM
fuuu chicago ties it with 5 seconds left

TheKingdom2000
04-14-2012, 08:40 PM
Do you think he did it on purpose though? or does that even matter?

punkwax
04-14-2012, 08:47 PM
I'd weber in the face.

jeedee
04-14-2012, 08:53 PM
Do you think he did it on purpose though? or does that even matter?

Zetterberg made a [clean] hit on Weber, and Weber slammed Zetterberg's head into the glass as retaliation.

So yes, he did it on "purpose"

Renthal
04-14-2012, 09:07 PM
doan's gunna get it! fuck chicago!


…. aw fuck.

cliffhanger33
04-14-2012, 09:07 PM
Fu Chicago wins

PepperThyAngus
04-14-2012, 09:10 PM
new trend, "webering"

http://cmsimg.freep.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=C4&Date=20120414&Category=SPORTS05&ArtNo=204140436&Ref=AR&MaxW=600&Border=0

http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/uu148/verfinsterung/TIME-TO-FAP.jpg

TheKingdom2000
04-14-2012, 09:10 PM
Zetterberg made a [clean] hit on Weber, and Weber slammed Zetterberg's head into the glass as retaliation.

So yes, he did it on "purpose"

Oh, I'm not disputing the weber hit.

I was referring to shaw hitting mike smith

jeedee
04-14-2012, 09:13 PM
Oh, I'm not disputing the weber hit.

I was referring to shaw hitting mike smith

Oh, should've said Shaw instead of he then! :lol

DanHibiki
04-14-2012, 09:26 PM
We need Samuelsson and his 7 goals in 6 playoff games against the Kings in 2010 playoffs back.

CorneringArtist
04-14-2012, 09:39 PM
Weber?

Hardley knew her!

Pooface55
04-14-2012, 09:53 PM
Carkner vs Boyle, that was awesome. We needed someone to do that to Marchand after punching Sedin in the head.

jdmhaze
04-14-2012, 10:11 PM
Carkner vs Boyle, that was awesome. We needed someone to do that to Marchand after punching Sedin in the head.

But preferably Duncan Keith....That fucking piece of shit

Gumby
04-14-2012, 10:29 PM
well... look what he did for Ryan Miller. I have no idea what to expect in terms of discipline.
I think the Lucic hit on Miller was worse. Lucic is a "star" so he only got a 2 min charging penalty.

Shaw does not have star status, so he got 5 + 10, and he'll probably get suspended too.

DanHibiki
04-14-2012, 11:00 PM
Every time I see Keith playing and Daniel not, I get soooooo mad.

gars
04-14-2012, 11:24 PM
I think the Lucic hit on Miller was worse. Lucic is a "star" so he only got a 2 min charging penalty.

Shaw does not have star status, so he got 5 + 10, and he'll probably get suspended too.

But Lucic's hit at least was shoulder on shoulder,

Shaw's hit was shoulder to head.

bballguy
04-14-2012, 11:29 PM
But Lucic's hit at least was shoulder on shoulder,

Shaw's hit was shoulder to head.

It was actually a helmet-on-helmet collision.

goo3
04-15-2012, 12:19 AM
Andrew Shaw Hits Mike Smith (April 14th 2012 Playoffs) - YouTube (http://youtu.be/RMyJBaNiCEs)

Clear shoulder to head in this angle.

Also, not full body contact, so expect a suspension.

Also, Ovechkin must not be a star because they suspended him for jumping in a hit right before the all star game.

bballguy
04-15-2012, 12:50 AM
Clear shoulder to head in this angle.

Also, not full body contact, so expect a suspension.

Also, Ovechkin must not be a star because they suspended him for jumping in a hit right before the all star game.

LOL, he probably wasn't a star at the time.....Played like shit 1st half of the season...

Also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVPuIvuP6O8

Harvey Specter
04-15-2012, 01:52 AM
Fuck, so pissed off to see every team tie up their series last night and here we are down 2-0.

AzNightmare
04-15-2012, 02:02 AM
LOL, he probably wasn't a star at the time.....Played like shit 1st half of the season...

Also: Andrew Shaw charge on Mike Smith. Chicago Blackhawks vs Phoenix Coyotes 4/14/12 NHL Hockey - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVPuIvuP6O8)

Who's #53 on the Coyotes??
After your goalie gets taken out like that (clean or not), you don't just stand there and do nothing.
:rukidding:



Fuck, so pissed off to see every team tie up their series last night and here we are down 2-0.

Pens are down 2-0...
I won't panic unless Canucks piss away Game 3...

Harvey Specter
04-15-2012, 02:17 AM
I'm confident the Canucks will claw their way back into this series. They've made the Kings look like this incredible team when in reality the Kings are nothing but the Minnesota Wild in drag. They play defensive like the Wild and sit back and wait for chances like the Wild and the Canucks have given them plenty of chances with their bloody sloppy play and lack of pressure on the PP.

I wouldn't go as far as saying that this series should have been a walk in a park but the Kings imo were the easiest team to face in the first round but the Canucks always find ways to fuck things up and make it harder on themselves. And quite honestly there's nothing I've seen in the past 2 games from the Kings that's wow'd me including their goaltending. Go up a couple goals and we'll see if the Kings can win a game.

/end of rant

TRDood
04-15-2012, 02:27 AM
All i know is that the PHX vs. CHI game tonight was 10x better than the stupid VAN vs. LAK game last night.

Fingers crossed for a win tomorrow. And Schneider being in net to boost the front line. Oh, and also no more SHG :rukidding:

SkinnyPupp
04-15-2012, 02:32 AM
I'm confident the Canucks will claw their way back into this series. They've made the Kings look like this incredible team when in reality the Kings are nothing but the Minnesota Wild in drag. They play defensive like the Wild and sit back and wait for chances like the Wild and the Canucks have given them plenty of chances with their bloody sloppy play and lack of pressure on the PP.

I wouldn't go as far as saying that this series should have been a walk in a park but the Kings imo were the easiest team to face in the first round but the Canucks always find ways to fuck things up and make it harder on themselves. And quite honestly there's nothing I've seen in the past 2 games from the Kings that's wow'd me including their goaltending. Go up a couple goals and we'll see if the Kings can win a game.

/end of rant
Good rant although I think if they lose tomorrow, it's pretty much all over. And I still think they would have walked all over SJ (or Dallas had they made it).

I always thought LA Kings were the worst of the 3 potential opponents for Vancouver... but like I have been saying for months, my hopes weren't high for this year anyway, sorry to say. Since January they haven't given us ANY reason to think they would go on any sort of a run this year. So while I'm disappointed, I am not at all shocked. The people who thought they were "saving it for the playoffs" are probably a lot more pissed about their performance though (which is why I have been trying to say what a stupid idea that is)

cliffhanger33
04-15-2012, 02:40 AM
All i know is that the PHX vs. CHI game tonight was 10x better than the stupid VAN vs. LAK game last night.

Fingers crossed for a win tomorrow. And Schneider being in net to boost the front line. Oh, and also no more SHG :rukidding:

Yeah the PHX vs CHI game was insane. Heck, all of the playoff games have been 10x better than the VAN vs LAK games

trancehead
04-15-2012, 02:41 AM
philly and pens game 2 has been the best ive seen so far (havnt been able to watch all games so far unfortunately)

TRDood
04-15-2012, 02:47 AM
Just googled Weber's WWE move on Zetterberg. Wow, that's not even hockey. Getting fined $2500 is bullshit. Bertuzzi should have done a Stone Cold Stunner on Weber in game 2 instead of that medicore follow up fight.

Vansterdam
04-15-2012, 04:08 AM
lol fucken chicago

Mike Oxbig
04-15-2012, 06:26 AM
Game 3 will define Ryan Kesler's career. Prove last year wasnt a fluke!

kesler vs richards

SkinnyPupp
04-15-2012, 06:31 AM
Richards > Kesler imo

I wouldn't want either on my team though TBH

Mike Oxbig
04-15-2012, 06:40 AM
In general richards > kesler but when both player gear up kesler goes up by 3

I hope to god i never see kesler do this again
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r202/LA_Kings_Fan/Kings%20Hockey/2012WCQFKingsvCanucks-OppLinksHOME.jpg

cdizzle_996
04-15-2012, 07:29 AM
They need to show some emotion and desparation today. I've been watching all the other games, and there is several fights and big hits. The Canucks havent engaged them selves in any of that. They have to be the game changers. they have to be the ones to make the first move, and set the tone on the game. If Kassian is going to ride the pine for 57 minutes, you may as well throw him out there to dummy some one and let him sit in the box.

bballguy
04-15-2012, 08:13 AM
You guys keep calling Kesler's year a "fluke" but the fact of the matter is that ever since he had hip surgery, his game has never been the same.....My point being that instead of calling last year a fluke, I would blame his poor performance this year on his injury...

belka
04-15-2012, 09:08 AM
You guys keep calling Kesler's year a "fluke" but the fact of the matter is that ever since he had hip surgery, his game has never been the same.....My point being that instead of calling last year a fluke, I would blame his poor performance this year on his injury...

This. Most people here never played competitive, hit hockey after a major injury that required surgery. You are never quite the same.

spoon.ek9
04-15-2012, 09:25 AM
^ not to mention we have three players in that same situation: Kesler, Raymond, Malhotra. Then add the fact that Henrik is missing Daniel.. and yeah. BUT, despite all of this, the Canucks ARE capable of beating the Kings. I just hope they freaking start showing who's the better team.

punkwax
04-15-2012, 09:26 AM
Good rant although I think if they lose tomorrow, it's pretty much all over. And I still think they would have walked all over SJ (or Dallas had they made it).

I always thought LA Kings were the worst of the 3 potential opponents for Vancouver... but like I have been saying for months, my hopes weren't high for this year anyway, sorry to say. Since January they haven't given us ANY reason to think they would go on any sort of a run this year. So while I'm disappointed, I am not at all shocked. The people who thought they were "saving it for the playoffs" are probably a lot more pissed about their performance though (which is why I have been trying to say what a stupid idea that is)

Yes. Yes I am.

Whoever wins tonight wins the series.

Go Nucks!

Tim Budong
04-15-2012, 09:35 AM
edler needs to move the puck with confidence. aside from that. win battles, keep it simple. lots of shots and make it tough for LA to move

spideyv2
04-15-2012, 09:41 AM
I believe kesler will step it up tonight. The whole team needs to treat the rest of the games like game 7s

Renthal
04-15-2012, 09:48 AM
datsyuk just schooled josi…. fuck is he dangerous out there

saucywoman
04-15-2012, 09:55 AM
K I'm sorry but to me being a true fan and not a bandwagonner means you get behind your team; cheer and believe in them until it's over, not just when they're winning and doing good. I don't care that my heart was broken with the loss of the Stanley cup last year; I still go on to cheer for the team.
Unfortunately a lot of people have kind of lost hope after last year and not really cheering; I'm sure the players know their fans aren't behind them as much as they were last year and it prob isn't helping them push harder.

That being said; I will cheer for them tonight as wholeheartedly as ever and continue to do so until they are out of the series. I still have faith in our boys

bballguy
04-15-2012, 10:10 AM
K I'm sorry but to me being a true fan and not a bandwagonner means you get behind your team; cheer and believe in them until it's over, not just when they're winning and doing good. I don't care that my heart was broken with the loss of the Stanley cup last year; I still go on to cheer for the team.
Unfortunately a lot of people have kind of lost hope after last year and not really cheering; I'm sure the players know their fans aren't behind them as much as they were last year and it prob isn't helping them push harder.

That being said; I will cheer for them tonight as wholeheartedly as ever and continue to do so until they are out of the series. I still have faith in our boys

I haven't lost hope, and I definitely am not openly CHEERING for the Canucks right now. I won't stand up and cheer when they score a goal in today's game simply because I don't want to get my hopes up so high, only to have my heart broken...Do I still expect them to win tonight? For sure; Do I think they can still win the series? Without a doubt....but I won't be up and cheering again until we win game 3 and take the lead in game 4....I'm simply far too stressed to be CHEERING right now.....

Not really racist!
04-15-2012, 10:17 AM
Datsyuk is dangerous as facckk, too bad that goal didn't count... all Detroit needed was 0.01 more seconds

iwantaskyline
04-15-2012, 10:22 AM
“I'm preparing as if I'm playing and, until I'm told otherwise, that's what I'll be doing,” Luongo said. “We'll see what happens, whether it's me or Cory. I think we both give our team a great chance to win. At the end of the day, it's not about who is starting, it's about the Vancouver Canucks.”

Luongo on Schneids possibly starting.

bballguy
04-15-2012, 10:26 AM
Luongo on Schneids possibly starting.

He's got a great attitude IMO.

cressydrift
04-15-2012, 10:30 AM
Fuck they better start lu tonight, otherwise his confidence will be in the shitter.

Renthal
04-15-2012, 10:31 AM
detroit's DJ plays such better pump up music.. Vancouver's DJ should take some notes on how to pump up a crowd.
I havent heard sandstorm once.

DsZ24
04-15-2012, 10:41 AM
detroit's DJ plays such better pump up music.. Vancouver's DJ should take some notes on how to pump up a crowd.
I havent heard sandstorm once.

Yep there dj is much better. It's always funny every game when he drops some journey and the whole crowd sings along to it.

spideyv2
04-15-2012, 10:41 AM
detroit's DJ plays such better pump up music.. Vancouver's DJ should take some notes on how to pump up a crowd.
I havent heard sandstorm once.

Our DJ plays that gay ass "vancouver, I want you to clap your hands" shit. It sounds like some 90's YTV theme song.

rsx
04-15-2012, 10:42 AM
I dont think Shaw's hit warrants a suspension, if anything it would be roughing. His elbow was tucked in and the big ass shoulder pads got smith's mask. PHX should've still beat his ass for clipping the goalie though.

murd0c
04-15-2012, 10:45 AM
and Nashville scores to be up 3-1 with 3mins to go in the 3rd

DsZ24
04-15-2012, 10:45 AM
Nice shot Kostitsyn. 3-1 NSH

rsx
04-15-2012, 10:46 AM
NSH is a real contender, strong back end and a fast strong forward corps. Nice shot by Sergei.

GrapeDrink
04-15-2012, 10:48 AM
K I'm sorry but to me being a true fan and not a bandwagonner means you get behind your team; cheer and believe in them until it's over, not just when they're winning and doing good. I don't care that my heart was broken with the loss of the Stanley cup last year; I still go on to cheer for the team.
Unfortunately a lot of people have kind of lost hope after last year and not really cheering; I'm sure the players know their fans aren't behind them as much as they were last year and it prob isn't helping them push harder.

That being said; I will cheer for them tonight as wholeheartedly as ever and continue to do so until they are out of the series. I still have faith in our boys

well imo you don't just blindly cheer because they happen to have a canuck sweater on, they gotta give you something to cheer about, and I'm not even saying oh they gotta winning and scoring amazing goals, if they putting in the effort and playing to their potential, while losing ? I'll still cheer like a motherfucker.

MR_BIGGS
04-15-2012, 10:55 AM
I was interested to see how the Canucks played against the Kings during the regular reason and came across the highlights from Kings @ Canucks from Dec 31, 2011.

Canucks vs. Kings 12/31/2011 - YouTube

It's kind of depressing watching the clip, because there are similar patterns to last two games starting with the Canucks having a hard time carrying into the zone and then holding possession. They don't seem to match up well against the Kings whatsoever.

We can the Canucks expose the Kings? Not doing it in special teams. What style of play will beat them?

Hondaracer
04-15-2012, 10:58 AM
Our DJ plays that gay ass "vancouver, I want you to clap your hands" shit. It sounds like some 90's YTV theme song.

I swear the guy who plays our music is 80

After the opening he plays like fucking teeny bop music instead of metal etc, adds to the patheticness of the already bad atmosphere this year

tonyzoomzoom
04-15-2012, 10:58 AM
time for super-saiyan mode !!

punkwax
04-15-2012, 11:00 AM
The Vancouver Canucks' power play is performing about as well as one of those North Korean missiles.

Had a good chuckle at that. :lawl:


Read more: Vancouver Canucks getting Dustin Brown (http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/Vancouver+Canucks+getting+Dustin+Brown+Kings/6457624/story.html#ixzz1s8YywZHp)

jeedee
04-15-2012, 11:04 AM
Fuck they better start lu tonight, otherwise his confidence will be in the shitter.

I never get this theory of Lu having his "confidence become shittier if Schneider starts"

People are talking as if putting in Schneider for Lou
will somehow shatter Lou's confidence and wreck
this team. No way. It's about winning and it always
has been. I bet you that if you asked Lou if he'd
rather start the rest of the games and lose in the
playoffs, or win the cup on the bench, he'd choose
the latter. I think he's old enough and wise enough
to know better.

The Canucks kept Schneider for the postseason and its time to use him. Lou played a great game in game 1, a decent game in 2, but let's face it. The Canucks have enough trust in Schnieder and play a differently (better game IMO) when he's in net.

Wouldn't be surprised if he's starting tonight.

bballguy
04-15-2012, 11:09 AM
I never get this theory of Lu having his "confidence become shittier if Schneider starts"

People are talking as if putting in Schneider for Lou
will somehow shatter Lou's confidence and wreck
this team. No way. It's about winning and it always
has been. I bet you that if you asked Lou if he'd
rather start the rest of the games and lose in the
playoffs, or win the cup on the bench, he'd choose
the latter. I think he's old enough and wise enough
to know better.

The Canucks kept Schneider for the postseason and its time to use him. Lou played a great game in game 1, a decent game in 2, but let's face it. The Canucks have enough trust in Schnieder and play a differently (better game IMO) when he's in net.

Wouldn't be surprised if he's starting tonight.

Luongo has been through it all....He has nothing to lose anymore and you can tell that from his attitude...he doesn't give a shit what the fans think; he's not playing for anybody but himself and his teammates.

Oleophobic
04-15-2012, 11:14 AM
http://i.imgur.com/8kZuG.jpg

TRDood
04-15-2012, 11:33 AM
BEAT LA BEAT LA BEAT LA.

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l35vr299oX1qz5f3oo1_400.jpg

Damn it I wish our fans know how to chant "Beat LA" like in the NBA instead of always doing "Go Canucks Go" or "Kings Suck".
I was too shy to start screaming that on my own in the stands. :okay:

Durrann
04-15-2012, 11:35 AM
Wow fleury whats going on

DsZ24
04-15-2012, 11:36 AM
That was pretty bad fleury. Looks like it's going to be another exciting game

Gh0stRider
04-15-2012, 11:40 AM
loving this pens and flyers series

Hondaracer
04-15-2012, 11:41 AM
chanting Beat La sounds retarded

mb_
04-15-2012, 11:49 AM
Schneids starting

Pooface55
04-15-2012, 11:50 AM
Fleury making Cloutier look like a God. Damn the pens/philly series is awesome. We need their intensity.

cliffhanger33
04-15-2012, 11:50 AM
2-1 flyers
Damm so intense

Edit: 3-1