[bballguy]

Does anyone remember why we lost in the finals last year???

[Gh0stRider]

@VanCanucks: Media Release: #Canucks have acquired right wing Andrew Gordon from the Anaheim Ducks in exchange for defenceman Sebastien Erixon.

[rb]

Does anyone remember why we lost in the finals last year???

injuries to key players?

[rsx]

FB's blowing up with fan boys crying over Cody. Pathetic. Know your hockey, Cody's a 1-2C and there's no room for him. Grit was needed - Kassian's the potential answer. It's about the playoff drive!

[bballguy]

injuries to key players.

because we got beat up....

[7seven]

Can Gragnani play the right side?

The Sabres tried him on the right side early this season but that was an absolute disaster. He's never played the right side in any level of hockey before this season and it showed. Sabres eventually switched him back to the left side with Ehrhoff before sending him back down. He's really a power play specialist in the mode of MA Bergeron and Andy Delmore.

Those words coming from you do not make me feel any better as I know you're also a Sabres fan and actually know what the Canucks have in Kassian...

Kassian's main issue is mental. As I said, he has temper issues, having been in a number of off ice incidents of fights, I believe he was even charged once for assault. If he can get his head on straight, he has the potential to be a poor mans Lucic.

I'm kind of surprised the Canucks didn't at least try Cody more on the wing first, or at least keep more scoring C depth for the playoffs, but like I've said countless times, AV has him on a very short leash.

[civicyvr]

Does anyone remember why we lost in the finals last year???

Yeah, we had core player injuries and also because we didn't play well. Not because we didn't have a 'power forward prospect'.

[tiger_handheld]

i expect MG to look out for D, not a bunch of Fwds..

[dbaz]

Great trade imo. He wasnt going to be more than a 2nd line centre on this team. We got kassian a young power forward we always wanted and a good young puck moving dman. Trade made us better.
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[spoon.ek9]

nothing short of a cup will make me accept this trade. nothing.

[Razor Ramon HG]

I'm sure Gillis knows what he's doing.

[murd0c]

i expect MG to look out for D, not a bunch of Fwds..

We got Staios at least :rukidding:

[RTS]

The Sabres tried him on the right side early this season but that was an absolute disaster. He's never played the right side in any level of hockey before this season and it showed. Sabres eventually switched him back to the left side with Ehrhoff before sending him back down. He's really a power play specialist in the mode of MA Bergeron and Andy Delmore.

Kassian's main issue is mental. As I said, he has temper issues, having been in a number of off ice incidents of fights, I believe he was even charged once for assault. If he can get his head on straight, he has the potential to be a poor mans Lucic.

Awesome. This team needs some crazy. Fuck Marchand is going to have a harder time punching Kassian or Bitz or Weise 6 times in the face if we play them again. I think we are set now. If Luongo isnt his usual choke artist (or if he is but Schenider steps us) we could go all the way.

[hypediss]

Reasonable to expect to see coho go but not for this price

[JD¹³]

Holy shit Coho knob gobblers, look at the bigger picture. The Canucks DESPERATELY need a big powerful player that will hit, fight, and defend our star players. Hodgson was a growing talent... on a team that has a ton of it already with the Sedins, Burrows, Raymond and Kesler at times. Booth is coming along as well. The team is already as soft-handed as it can get.

This is Kassian's first NHL season and he is only 21. He will learn a lot playing in AV's system with our finesse players while still providing something that every hockey team needs: toughness. At 6'4" 220lbs+ you'll all be glad we have him on the ice next time a douchebag like Marchand dummies one of the Sedins in the playoffs and a ref doesn't make the call. Hodgson will be a great player, he's just not what the Canucks need right now.

[dinamix]

Yeah, we had core player injuries and also because we didn't play well. Not because we didn't have a 'power forward prospect'.

we were pushed around in front of our own net. The bergeron and marchand were gritty goals. The power forward woulda helped.

[RiceIntegraRS]

I see people downtown rioting over this
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[clowe]

We got Staios at least :rukidding:

It was reported by a fake account I think, we didn't get him.

[CPE]

We got Staios at least :rukidding:

Didn't happen, fake twitter account

[pastarocket]

+1 for the trade with Buffalo. At first, I reacted in anger after hearing the Cody trade. After I settled down to to some research about Kassian and Gragnani, the deal does make sense on paper.

Canucks have more grit with Kassian and a good puck moving D man with Gragnani.

Are these trades enough to help the Canucks get back to the Stanley Cup final, to win a championship? We shall see.

[spideyv2]

lol, people saying this is Cam Neely v2

[stuff99]

Fuck this trade.

[subordinate]

we were pushed around in front of our own net. The bergeron and marchand were gritty goals. The power forward woulda helped.

Eh, The sedins themselves seemed as though, they didn't give a shit.

As others said, it was due to key injuries.

[spideyv2]

at least Kassian can throw

Zack Kassian vs Tom Sestito Feb 16, 2012 - YouTube

[civicyvr]

we were pushed around in front of our own net. The bergeron and marchand were gritty goals. The power forward woulda helped.

So this 'prospect power forward' would push the rats out of our own zone instead of our injured D?

I am not against fair trades but I value 7seven accessment since he follows the sabres.

[LsquareD]

Y u no take Raymond!
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[cliffhanger33]

Almost as bad as when united traded Ronaldo.... Almost
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[EuterVanWasser]

I understand the logic of CoHo moving for a big body.. He's not a great fit for a 3rd line center on a cup contending team and certainly is never going to bump Hank or Kes on lines #1 and #2.

I simply disagree with moving him for a guy who's really unproven at the NHL level.. CoHo in my opinion has proven this year he can produce.. and he's getting limited minutes, and limited support. CoHo's hockey IQ is impressive, the way he finds soft ice and reads plays, and his shot is developing to be top shelf.

Personally, I think Buffalo got the better hockey deal here, whereas we've picked up a player to plug a hole for the time being.

[UFO]

irony there is Kassian could turn out to be the Neely in this deal. MG isn't the type of guy to get hosed on a deal like this.

So far the city seems too emotionally tied into Coho. He's a great young player with great upside, but you need to look at his fit on this team and what the team needs right now.

[rb]

from a poster on hfboards, "If this is are Linden. We will get him back right?"

[Razor Ramon HG]

Armchair GMs man.

[subordinate]

Did I hear correctly during TSN's call to Cody..that Cody heard he was traded from his teammate Tanev?

Surprised that happened. Business is business I guess.

[murd0c]

I'm happy he had least went to the Sabres, I don't mind them what so ever and if he does pan out he won't really effect us in the long run.

[cdizzle_996]

So this 'prospect power forward' would push the rats out of our own zone instead of our injured D?

I am not against fair trades but I value 7seven accessment since he follows the sabres.



And CoHo is going to strap on the pads when Luongo wets the bed in game 7? Give me a break and get of Hodgson's jock.

[JD¹³]

Armchair GMs man.
All passion, no logic :concentrate:

[bballguy]

Gotta trust your front office...Have faith that they know what they are doing.

[Gh0stRider]

Did I hear correctly during TSN's call to Cody..that Cody heard he was traded from his teammate Tanev?

Surprised that happened. Business is business I guess.

yup..i heard that too. roommate/teammate chris tanev

[UFO]

I value 7seven's familiarity with the Sabres. But I put more faith and trust in MG and the pro scouts the Canucks employ over 7seven, no offense intended whatsoever

[civicyvr]

Holy shit Coho knob gobblers, look at the bigger picture. The Canucks DESPERATELY need a big powerful player that will hit, fight, and defend our star players. Hodgson was a growing talent... on a team that has a ton of it already with the Sedins, Burrows, Raymond and Kesler at times. Booth is coming along as well. The team is already as soft-handed as it can get.

This is Kassian's first NHL season and he is only 21. He will learn a lot playing in AV's system with our finesse players while still providing something that every hockey team needs: toughness. At 6'4" 220lbs+ you'll all be glad we have him on the ice next time a douchebag like Marchand dummies one of the Sedins in the playoffs and a ref doesn't make the call. Hodgson will be a great player, he's just not what the Canucks need right now.

What will this guy do for us in the playoffs? Hodgson will help in scoring in case the others are shutdown or injured. I rather our guys take a punch in the face and win.

[em1.ac]

Saturday is going to be awesome now. A nice build up is cookin!

[mako]

My neighbors will be happy.
They won't hear me screaming Codyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!! Whenever he scored
:(
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[cdizzle_996]

What will this guy do for us in the playoffs? Hodgson will help in scoring in case the others are shutdown or injured. I rather our guys take a punch in the face and win.


Did Seguin win the cup for Boston last year, when Horton was injured?

[civicyvr]

And CoHo is going to strap on the pads when Luongo wets the bed in game 7? Give me a break and get of Hodgson's jock.

No, that was just a reply to his reply. Haha.

So you think Kassian is ready to step right up?

[rb]

calmer now. If Cody was Linden 2.0, then hopefully they just traded him for Bertuzzi 2.0

[7seven]

Kassian became expendable in Buffalo with the development of Marcus Foligno. I can understand why the Canucks made this trade with Kesler and Henrik locked in for the next few years, but Kassian I don't believe at this time is ready to contribute in a large fashion at this stage of his career, other than as an enforcer, right now he's a 4th liner, surely there must've been another grit/enforcer option that wouldn't have cost Hodgson.

Personally I was expecting key contributions from Hodgson this playoffs and figured the offensive center depth would've been more valuable to Canucks given what happened to Kesler last playoffs with injuries. I would not feel comfortable with Phalson or Manny filling in for Kesler or Henrik. The acquisition of Kassian also tells me the Canucks aren't too comfortable with Bitz' health going forward.

If Gillis can get Kassian's head screwed on straight, at best he becomes Lucic, at worst another Bitz type but I figure he'll more likely settle into a Chris Gratton type.

[sonick]

reidder: At the Vancouver Giants for a piece coming soon on Adam Morrison on Global TV.. Don Hay compared Kassian to Milan Lucic. High praise. .

[saiko]

Do you think Canucks have enough offense? What if the top line hits a dry spell and second line is injured, who would pot a timely goal? Still worries me, that's where I felt Hodgson would get a goal here and there.. But toughness is good, exactly what they needed. Going to miss the part where they interview excited young humble players after exciting games, ie) Hodgson on every interview.
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[JD¹³]

What will this guy do for us in the playoffs? Hodgson will help in scoring in case the others are shutdown or injured. I rather our guys take a punch in the face and win.
How'd that work out for us last year? The Canucks were an all finesse team that got bullied by the Bruins and screwed by Brendan Shanahan. Gillis isn't going to let that happen again.

Hockey is not always about scoring goals.

[civicyvr]

Did Seguin win the cup for Boston last year, when Horton was injured?

He didn't hurt them.

How's he doing this year?

[pastarocket]

This Kassian is one tough player. Check out the left hand punches in this fight:

Matt Martin vs Zack Kassian Nov 29, 2011 - YouTube

[bobbyhill]

Do you think Canucks have enough offense? What if the top line hits a dry spell and second line is injured, who would pot a timely goal?
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please dont bring out the " what if " scenarios. that can of worms shouldn't be opened i tell you what.

[kristianhay]

Was choked at first, but it's settled a bit. Kassian has potential and will probably do well in our system. Only concern is how this will impact our secondary scoring on the 3rd line/second PP. Excited to see what happens! CoHo was one of my favorite Canucks and it sucks to see him go, but as a hockey player I know it takes grit to win games too, not just skill which we have a lot of. Wish the best for CoHo and will continue to follow him of course!

Up In The Show featuring Zack Kassian - YouTube

Welcome Kassian.

[dbaz]

Id say he has a better upside than lucic but depends how things go now
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[dinamix]

hes got decent hands
Zack Kassian Goal Against The Nashville Predators 12/03/2011 - YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciVzPGf4xLQ

[rb]

...Ben Kuzma ‏ @benkuzma
Hodgson had 'C' taped to jersey at playful practice this morning. Now stands for "choked". Stunned by trade.

[stuff99]

How'd that work out for us last year? The Canucks were an all finesse team that got bullied by the Bruins and screwed by Brendan Shanahan. Gillis isn't going to let that happen again.

Hockey is not always about scoring goals.

Well with the line up we have now, we might not even make it to the finals.

[stuff99]

And was this buffalo trade the best we could get for cody hodgson?

[bballguy]

Do you think Canucks have enough offense? What if the top line hits a dry spell
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We should have more than enough offense, and the fact of the matter is, if "our top line hits a dry spell" at a time when they are needed the most, we probably don't deserve to win. Simple as that.

[rb]

on tsn, they said an Eastern GM was choked he couldn't get Cody and was told that he was not in play. I'd like to think that GM was Brian Burke :lol

[dinamix]

this guy is pretty big too...6'4 has decent numbers in the AHL

Vancouver, B.C. - Vancouver Canucks President & General Manager Mike Gillis announced today that the Canucks have acquired right wing Andrew Gordon from the Anaheim Ducks in exchange for defenceman Sebastien Erixon.
Gordon, 26, has registered five points (2-3-5) and six penalty minutes with the Anaheim Ducks this season. In 19 games with the AHL Syracuse Crunch this season, he has collected eight points (3-5-8) and 10 penalty minutes.

The Halifax, NS, native has collected seven points (3-4-7) in 49 career NHL games with the Washington Capitals and Anaheim Ducks.

The 6’4”, 194 lbs. forward was originally selected 197th overall in the 2004 NHL Entry Draft by the Washington Capitals.

CAREER REGULAR SEASON STATISTICS
SEASON TEAM GP G A P +/- PIM PP SH GW S S%
2002-2003 NOTRE DAME HOUNDS-SJHL 58 20 27 47 12
2003-2004 NOTRE DAME HOUNDS-SJHL 55 20 44 64 12
2004-2005 ST. CLOUD STATE HUSKIES-WCHA 38 9 8 17 6
2005-2006 ST. CLOUD STATE HUSKIES-WCHA 42 20 20 40 22
2006-2007 ST. CLOUD STATE HUSKIES-WCHA 40 22 23 45 16
2007-2008 BEARS-AHL 58 16 35 51 22 39 6 0
2007-2008 SOUTH CAROLINA STINGRAYS-ECHL 11 8 6 14 1 6 2 2 0
2008-2009 CAPITALS 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0.0
2008-2009 BEARS-AHL 80 21 24 45 16 47 4 0 3
2009-2010 CAPITALS 2 0 0 0 -2 0 0 0 0 0 0.0
2009-2010 BEARS-AHL 79 37 34 71 22 57 19 0 7
2010-2011 CAPITALS 9 1 1 2 -2 0 0 0 0 5 20.0
2010-2011 HERSHEY BEARS-AHL 50 28 29 57 20 24 14 0 4 192 14.6
2011-2012 DUCKS 37 2 3 5 -10 6 0 0 0 38 5.3
NHL TOTALS 49 3 4 7 -14 6 0 0 0 44 6.8
CAREER PLAYOFF STATISTICS
SEASON TEAM GP G A P +/- PIM PP SH GW S S%
2005-2006 ST. CLOUD STATE HUSKIES-WCHA
2006-2007 ST. CLOUD STATE HUSKIES-WCHA
2007-2008 BEARS-AHL 5 3 2 5 0 2 2 0
2007-2008 SOUTH CAROLINA STINGRAYS-ECHL 9 5 3 8 8 2 1 0
2008-2009 BEARS-AHL 22 6 4 10 0 6 2 0 1
2009-2010 BEARS-AHL 17 13 7 20 2 2 6 0 1
2010-2011 HERSHEY BEARS-AHL

[civicyvr]

How'd that work out for us last year? The Canucks were an all finesse team that got bullied by the Bruins and screwed by Brendan Shanahan. Gillis isn't going to let that happen again.

Hockey is not always about scoring goals.

It is all about scoring. How you going to win if you don't score more goals then the opponent.

We took their bullying fine. It didn't work out last year because core injuries and not because we didn't have a bruiser.

Losing Coho would certainly reduce our chances.

[bballguy]

It is all about scoring.

We took their bullying fine. It didn't work out last year because core injuries and not because we didn't have a bruiser.

Are you serious?? Someone earlier in this thread said Sedins looked like they lost the desire to win? You know getting gloves shoved in your face, beaten up, and tossed around can really take a toll on you both physically and mentally...You understand this, right? It clearly is NOT all about scoring...

[7seven]

TSN saying that Gillis told other GMs Hodgson wasn't available when they asked. Apparently there was a lot of teams asking. Guess Gillis really likes Kassian! I think Zach will eventually become a fan favorite as well, he'll throw huge hits and stick up for any of his teammates, you guys just have to be very patient with him, it'll be a couple years for him to develop properly.

[Alpine]

What's going to make this trade look even worse is that Hodgson will be given the opportunity (1-2C) that he deserves on the Sabres, and with some luck, he's going to explode. Imagine what this board, CDC, and the media will look like if Hodgson gets hot in Buffalo (I can imagine a point per game pace playing 18+mins a game) and Kassian is stuck playing 10-12minutes on the 3rd line in Vancouver.

I understand the love affair with Power forwards, but I don't see how we win this deal. If we're trying to win the stanley cup and our window is now, shouldn't we be focusing on who can contribute more today, not tomorrow?

Time to start a new thread on CDC - GM Mike Gillis - Do we really need him? If Hodgson gets hot and Kassian doesn't pan out this year, he'll get run out of town...

[JD¹³]

Well with the line up we have now, we might not even make it to the finals.
:seriously:

Do you even play hockey? The Canucks are on pace to win the President's Trophy for the second year in a row, with the vast majority of the line up having fresh experience of battling through their biggest rivals to get to Game 7 of the Cup Finals.
It is all about scoring.

We took their bullying fine. It didn't work out last year because core injuries and not because we didn't have a bruiser.
Sorry but you're wrong. Like I said, everyone hating on this trade will be glad we have Kassian on the ice next time someone is dummying one of our star players and the ref doesn't make the call.

Hodgson and Kassian are two totally different styles of players. Comparing their numbers is irrelevant.

[kristianhay]

It is all about scoring.

We took their bullying fine. It didn't work out last year because core injuries and not because we didn't have a bruiser.

Core injuries would not have happened if the Bruins weren't allowed to run around doing whatever they wanted.

[chouchou]

^no he won't. Gillis has been a pivotal part in building this team that is continually a cup contender. Whether or not this trade turns out to be a bust, he will find a way to rectify it.

The love affair with power forwards is something that everyone following the boston series has grown aware of - the question is was THIS the best power forward we could have gotten for coho? It is true. He has no spot as a 1-2 forward in this lineup that is so deep in raw talent.

[see.lai]

I'll miss hodgson; he was really my favorite player/prospect.. :tears:

[Alpine]

Big mistake by Gillis if he told other GM's that Cody was not available...

[stuff99]

:seriously:

Do you even play hockey? The Canucks are on pace to win the President's Trophy for the second year in a row, with the vast majority of the line up having fresh experience of battling through some of their biggest rivals to get to Game 7 of the Cup Finals.

You are making a couple of assumptions. This core team involved Canucks having 3 scoring lines (sorta) with Cody on the 3rd producing quality points on the 3rd line. SECOND, anything can happen in the playoffs. We are the top team with skill and that brought us to the final. SO many factors are involved before we can meet the bruins in the finals, IF they make it the finals.

So no I dont fucking play hockey but I know how to watch like most people and just looking at the stats. You think Manny, Lap, or Pahlsson can step in the line top two lines if Kesler or Henrik gets injured or Cody would look better?

You can't even count on Kassian beyond the bottom 6 right now.

[badgerx3]

I think Hodgson might be the better player coming out of this deal but as other people have posted, Kassian is a RW with a right handed shot fits better with the Canucks imo

[civicyvr]

Are you serious?? Someone earlier in this thread said Sedins looked like they lost the desire to win? You know getting gloves shoved in your face, beaten up, and tossed around can really take a toll on you both physically and mentally...You understand this, right? It clearly is NOT all about scoring...

Yes, I am serious.

Top lines get shut down so we need others scoring.

[UFO]

Bringing Grabner back in the mix after an amazing 2010-11 where he scored 34g and +13, this year he is 15g and -16. Who is the true Grabner?

If Coho stayed with us and tanks next year, everybody would be all up in arms about not moving him when his value was higher.

With young unproven players, you just never know what you will get season to season save for a few exceptions until they become more seasoned.

[murd0c]

Gillis makes the big bucks for a reason, we have nothing to worry about thats one thing I'm sure about!!!

[7seven]

Is anyone else shocked that Raymond is still a Canuck today? I know I am haha.

[pastarocket]

+1. I'm still in shock that May Ray is still playing for the Canucks.

[civicyvr]

:seriously:


Sorry but you're wrong. Like I said, everyone hating on this trade will be glad we have Kassian on the ice next time someone is dummying one of our star players and the ref doesn't make the call.

Hodgson and Kassian are two totally different styles of players. Comparing their numbers is irrelevant.

Not comparing their numbers. Just don't think it's a trade for us right now losing depth scoring for big body that might produce now or in the future.

Core injuries would not have happened if the Bruins weren't allowed to run around doing whatever they wanted.

Yes, that's why depth scoring and in other positions.

[RiceIntegraRS]

Im hoping everyone who thinks this is a good deal us says "i told u so!" when we r lifting the cup this summer. Now Kassian prove me wrong
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[invader]

Hmm

Zack our cheaper alternative to Corey Perry
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[subordinate]

Is anyone else shocked that Raymond is still a Canuck today? I know I am haha.

Same. I guess Mason Raymond and some picks couldn't get what the Canucks wanted.

[murd0c]

Is anyone else shocked that Raymond is still a Canuck today? I know I am haha.

I personally don't think his value is enough right now to trade him. He's quick and does make decent plays so right now with his rough season I can understand why he was never moved since he didn't bring the value the Canucks wanted.

[civicyvr]

Is anyone else shocked that Raymond is still a Canuck today? I know I am haha.

Prob no one was interested. Haha.

[TheKingdom2000]

One of my friends out here (Toronto) is friends with coho and know's his family.
He said Coho wanted a trade. He wanted to be closer to home and i'm not sure if coho said this or his family, but he deserved more ice time.
Which he will get now that he is in Buffalo. And since he'll be so close to home is family is SUPER excited to see him go there.


I was just wondering why Gillis said Cody was off the table? I'm sure we would have gotten some really good offers for him. I mean Cody had a lot of pull and could have landed something pretty decent.

[civicyvr]

Im hoping everyone who thinks this is a good deal us says "i told u so!" when we r lifting the cup this summer. Now Kassian prove me wrong
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Yeah, I hope you are right man. Haha.

[rb]

Canucks at Bruins - Cody Hodgson 4-2 Goal - 01.07.12 - HD - YouTube

[LSF22]

Seems like I'm in the minority regarding this trade.... I'm not so much shocked about it, as I am disappointed that Raymond didn't get moved...

I don't mind this deal, cuz I'm gonna trust MG... I understand that Hodgson was establishing himself here and he was pretty clutch for us but like a few said, he's just gonna be stuck behind Hank and Kesler in terms of depth. Now he gets to go to a team and play with Vanek/Roy as a top 6 forward and become the skilled player we all thought he would be when we drafted him. If Kassian pans out and becomes the great pwf he's supposed to be, he could even play with the sedins and no one would take cheap shots at them anymore. I know Kassian isn't exactly NHL ready right now, but most of us don't know much about him/never seen him play. MG knew it was a gamble giving up someone like Coho.... I guess I'm the few who will give the new guys the benefit of the doubt to reach their full potential here...

I wasn't here on RS when it happened, so I don't know what the reaction here was but alot of people I know were choked when we took Coho over Kyle Beach.... and we all gave Coho a chance to shine and prove his worth...

Best case scenario Kassian turns out to be a Bertuzzi/Lucic kind of player, worse case scenario he turns out to be another Steve Bernier :heckno:
*fingers crossed*

Gragnani is also somewhat of an upgrade over Sulzer imo.... maybe with the proper guidance he'll overcome the defensive liabilities that 7even mentioned... which means he could make Ballard more expendable.

Just my last 2 cents..... remember, when we got Lappy, he was known to take dumb penalties and be a hothead on the ice... and lots of us weren't sure if he would fit within our team... but he adopted the AV system and toned it down so I'm hoping for the same with Kassian as well.


All that being said... still shocked/disappointed that Raymond wasn't moved

[stuff99]

also ellington a good D prospect is gone for pahlsson along with two draft picks

[murd0c]

Who thought the 1st place Canucks would make the biggest move of the day. Since a couple moves. Gillis is here to win and plan for our future and thats what he did today.

[rb]

also ellington a good D prospect is gone for pahlsson along with two draft picks

best thing i've heard all day

[Ronin]

I trust MG but I don't think this trade should've happened. At least not today.

Kassian looks to be a year from NHL readiness while CoHo is playing well now. This move doesn't appear to help the Canucks right now, which has me asking why it couldn't wait til July.

[Bonka]

MG on Team1040 right now.

I guess Raymond's hot 2g in last 2gms streak saved him..

[murd0c]

at least he's there if we need him now. With the issues he's had with his temper the nucks aer a perfect fit for him as well. I honestly think this is a great move by Gillis and it's a type of player we have needed for years.

In hind site we didn't even give up much for him.

[bballguy]

I don't get how Gragnani is a liability when he's +10 on a team that is -26 in goal differential...Does someone care to explain to me?

[Roach]

Haven't seen much talk about it, however, I'm glad Corey Schneider was not traded away.

Kev

[cliffhanger33]

I trust MG but I don't think this trade should've happened. At least not today.

Kassian looks to be a year from NHL readiness while CoHo is playing well now. This move doesn't appear to help the Canucks right now, which has me asking why it couldn't wait til July.

This. Exactly what I was thinking

Chances are, Kassian Isn't ready for play offs. We should hv kept coho who's ready now and trade him after play offs
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[cliffhanger33]

I'm watching bunch of Kassian videos
He's definitely tough and has handles but dam he's dirty
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[Vale46Rossi]

Hmm can't wait till Saturday, will be at the game to watch Hodgson!!!
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[b0unce. [?]]

mg just said on team1040 that kassian has been on his radar for a while now but didn't have the chance to grab him.

[jeedee]

The point of Hodgson was he was the future for after Henrik regressing.

Gillis is gearing up for this years run, and Kassian is brought in for this years run specifically. He's basically a Lucic-Lite who will stand up for his team mates, a power forward and can hit.

He was basically the other option if Canucks couldn't land Ott.
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[jerche]

what's the cap hit on the new guys btw?

[Tim Budong]

Do I like this trade? Not really.
Was this a shock? Yes
As a fan, the team did such a great job selling him to the public as the next big thing. The patience from management surrounding his development into what he is today also plays in part to why this city loves him so much.

Sadly, I dont think that Zack Kassian is the "now" the team should be looking for. In the short term, the pressure on guys to score is even greater now as Cody Hodgson took a lot of relief off the twins when they were not performing this past couple weeks.

In short, I hope this pays off well NOW. Because everyone will remember the team for the rings. and no one wants to be reminded of the one that got away

In the long run, Kassian could be wonderful. Big bruising winger that shows signs of Todd Bertuzzi with some great skill, yet can throw a pretty nasty hit and defend his teammates.

Pahlsson was acquired for his defensive skills. great shutdown center who can play wing and amazing on the PK. Scott Neidermyer has said that his defensive play was a big key to the ducks winning the cup. Gives Kes and Burr a bit of relief to know they dont have to do the double take on the PP and PK. More legs for the long haul you could say.

[jerche]

There's a chance that CoHo asked to be traded. MG refused to confirm this so it may be true.

[highfive]

Why does this deal makes me think that Kassian is going to be our Stojanov or Boston's Neely?

It's really a 22 year old prospect for 21 year old prospect.

[Tapioca]

The CoHo trade was a huge gamble. I'm sure Gillis offered Schroeder first, but Buffalo wouldn't bite.

If Kes goes down, the team has no depth at centre. Who's going to step up to play 2nd line centre? Malhotra? Reinprecht?

I just hope that for Gillis' sake, our top 2 centres don't get injured.
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[Tim Budong]

There's a chance that CoHo asked to be traded. MG refused to confirm this so it may be true.

There were rumblings in the off season on ths topic.
Like how he wanted to be closer to home and what not.

The Canucks did a great job by being patient with Cody. that was probably key to his development into the player he is today

[Expresso]

There's a chance that CoHo asked to be traded. MG refused to confirm this so it may be true.

If you listened to his TSN interview, the guy was genuinely shocked and speechless.

[JKam]

If you listened to his TSN interview, the guy was genuinely shocked and speechless.

I'm sure CoHo wanted to stay here. His agent probably spoke on behalf of his parents. He's only 22(?) so the parents still probably have quite a bit of say in terms of his career.

[Bonka]

Gillis is calculated in all his moves. Nothing to do but wait and see.

[b0unce. [?]]

i guess maybe one of the things that bother me the most out of this trade is the NHL readiness/developed difference. we spent a ton of time working on coho and let him go right when things were looking up. kassian may have upside in the future, but i'm just not too sure how he'll be jumping into the line up and how effective he'll be in the playoffs.

sure they are 2 different players, but i feel like for this playoff run we might have been better off sticking with what he have. this deal wouldn't feel like it hurt half as bad if it was made in the summer.
i don't expect kassian to put up the same numbers as coho, but i sure hope to god this kid plays his heart out in the playoffs.

[7seven]

I don't get how Gragnani is a liability when he's +10 on a team that is -26 in goal differential...Does someone care to explain to me?

The +/- stat can be misleading at times and in his case it is. Ask any Sabres' fan who have watched him closely or just look around on any Sabres message board Giving Gragnani some publicity (he sucks at ice hockey) - Page 2 - HFBoards (http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?t=1073303&highlight=gragnani&page=2), he's very soft along the boards, panics when he feels pressure on him and often leading to turnovers in his own zone.

Again think Andy Delmore, MA Bergeron, Lukas Krajicek type. Pure PP specialist

[gloors]

To be honest I think it was good for Cody to leave. He isn't a 3rd/4th line centre as much as I loved him he needed somewhere to show his skill
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[7seven]

If you listened to his TSN interview, the guy was genuinely shocked and speechless.

Canucks' play by play guy Dave Tomlinson also commented on this, said he talked to Hodgson in the hotel lobby after and Hodgson was seriously confussed, shocked and out of sorts.

[Tim Budong]

Canucks' play by play guy Dave Tomlinson also commented on this, said he talked to Hodgson in the hotel lobby after and Hodgson was seriously confussed, shocked and out of sorts.

i heard that as well
At 22, this is his first real taste of the business side of things in the big leagues

anyways, Harrison Mooney wrote a great article here.

Canucks, Sabres pull off last-minute deadline blockbuster; Hodgson, Kassian, trade places | Puck Daddy - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/canucks-sabres-pull-off-last-minute-deadline-blockbuster-215012192.html#more-26409)

[RiceIntegraRS]

I was under the impression that Kassain would be able to jump into the lineup now and help us. This trade is even worse than i thought
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[LSF22]

Let's also not forget that he's going from a cup contender to a team who needs tons of help if they even have a chance at the playoffs, let alone Stanley Cup. Coho prob is as disappointed, as he is shocked.

[Bonka]

;7811682']i guess maybe one of the things that bother me the most out of this trade is the NHL readiness/developed difference. we spent a ton of time working on coho and let him go right when things were looking up. kassian may have upside in the future, but i'm just not too sure how he'll be jumping into the line up and how effective he'll be in the playoffs.

sure they are 2 different players, but i feel like for this playoff run we might have been better off sticking with what he have. this deal wouldn't feel like it hurt half as bad if it was made in the summer.
i don't expect kassian to put up the same numbers as coho, but i sure hope to god this kid plays his heart out in the playoffs.

Funny thing. Not too long ago there were plenty of people writing off CoHo. MG must have something more to this than what we can see.

[Tim Budong]

Funny thing. Not too long ago there were plenty of people writing off CoHo. MG must have something more to this than what we can see.

People writing off a player to his calibre isnt a shock to you?
this is Vancouver. The influence the local media has on the fanbase in this city is disgusting.

[b0unce. [?]]

chips are all in on this one boys. Let's hope this all pays off.
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[murd0c]

;7811703']chips are all in on this one boys. Let's hope this all pays off.
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How are the chips all in?

[InvisibleSoul]

Canucks, Sabres pull off last-minute deadline blockbuster; Hodgson, Kassian, trade places | Puck Daddy - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/canucks-sabres-pull-off-last-minute-deadline-blockbuster-215012192.html#more-26409)

When I say it surprised everyone, I mean it. "I'm still in shock right now," said Hodgson to TSN just 5 minutes after learning of the trade. "It's tough to leave Vancouver… it's a great city, very passionate about its hockey."

Kassian was similarly taken aback: "I'm stunned," he said, adding, "I'm very excited to go and contend for a Cup now."

:thumbs:

[jeedee]

Man did MG ever go by his philosophy of "acquiring players no one expects"

I wish you the best of luck Cody, welcome to Vancouver, Zack.
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[tmc22]

Canucks, Sabres pull off last-minute deadline blockbuster; Hodgson, Kassian, trade places | Puck Daddy - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/canucks-sabres-pull-off-last-minute-deadline-blockbuster-215012192.html#more-26409)

When I say it surprised everyone, I mean it. "I'm still in shock right now," said Hodgson to TSN just 5 minutes after learning of the trade. "It's tough to leave Vancouver… it's a great city, very passionate about its hockey."

Kassian was similarly taken aback: "I'm stunned," he said, adding, "I'm very excited to go and contend for a Cup now."

:thumbs:

The thing is, he might not even be able to play with the Canucks right now...

[!Kodamu]

He on his way to pheonix right now
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[murd0c]

We can now call him the Zack Attack when he makes a big play/fights or scores

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/4249/img2dg.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/195/img2dg.jpg/)

[highfive]

I'm excited to see Gragnani on the second power play now.

A lot of times, it's easy for teams to beat us by just defending well against the Sedins and Kesler in the top PP. The second unit rarely makes any spark. Maybe Gragnani gives us two deadly PP units. It would be 2 mins of threat instead of 1.

At least now Hansen wouldn't dare to say to Kassian he's gonna knock him out if he throws tape balls at him. lol

[Gh0stRider]

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/429294_10150701713477037_11971032036_11896777_1125 988079_n.jpg

[chinesespareribs]

I guess MG is thinking about short term right now and just win the cup, but I have a bad feeling about this as this kind of reminds me of the Cam Neely trade to Boston...

So they better win this year.:accepted:

[murd0c]

How is he thinking short term right now? the issue with the move its a long term move not a short term one....

[Mike Oxbig]

anyone excited to see paulsson shut out buffalo's top line this saturday against
vanek hodgson pominville

:troll:

[cliffhanger33]

Pro-trade view:
We're trading for a young, skilled power forward that can play on the 3rd/4th line next year, and be a force as a second liner in years to come. Plus, he's fared better statistically than Hodgson at the same age. Also, we acquired an Ehrhoff type player, who was +10 on a generally minus Buffalo Sabres team. He also plays the right side, and can be insurance when Salo goes down. Bolsters our power play D, so that one of Hamhuis or Bieksa play and not both are needed.

Anti-trade view:
We just traded Linden for Bernier.
Steve Bernier: RW, 6'2, 220 lbs, drafted 16th overall, played in AHL 3rd year after being drafted, posting 20 goals, 23 assists, and 33 PIMs for 43 points in 49 games.
Points per game: 0.8776

Zack Kassian: RW, 6'4, 228 lbs, drafted 13th overall, played in AHL 3rd year after being drafted, so far posting 15 goals, 11 assists, and 31 PIMs for 26 points in 30 games.
Points per game: 0.8667

^ Yeah.

Gragnani - Plug.

Objective non-frenzy trade view:
We traded away a young, skilled center in order to acquire depth on the right side in case of a Salo injury in MAG, a young offensive defenseman, and Zack Kassian, a skilled power forward that may become the next Milan Lucic. Hodgson wasn't going to get a spot besides from 3rd line center and 2nd unit PP for the foreseeable future, as H. Sedin and Kesler would have those spots locked up for the next ~5 years (probably). However, this was basically a trade for a risky power forward that could turn into nothing, or be very good, whereas the value on Hodgson could be better assessed. MAG was thrown in so that we would take the trade.

[DanHibiki]

i'm happy about pahlsson at least

[b0unce. [?]]

How are the chips all in?

as in deadline is over, this is more or less how the team will look for this year's run.

[Harvey Specter]

So disappointed with MG trading away a player like Cody H.

[chinesespareribs]

How is he thinking short term right now? the issue with the move its a long term move not a short term one....

pahlsson is a good deal. I have no issues with that as it's just 2 4th round draft picks.

The issue is yes the nucks got bigger with some skill sets kassian but still I see this as a cam neely trade 20 years ago.... so who's going to look after the second power play now?

At the end of it see what happens in the plays now...

[Durrann]

Are both players playing tomorrow ?
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[dinamix]

it you read up on the sabres forums..its seems like they dont even know who cody hodgson is ..lol..zack kassian for who? lolol

mixed feeling both ways

[Vansterdam]

Lol just heard about the coho trade

Jeedee u mad bro?
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[cliffhanger33]

Yeah, I know. On other forums, they all think Kassian for COHO is a good trade for us, but there is mixed feelings everywhere. Meh.

[Hondaracer]

pahlsson is a good deal. I have no issues with that as it's just 2 4th round draft picks.

The issue is yes the nucks got bigger with some skill sets kassian but still I see this as a cam neely trade 20 years ago.... so who's going to look after the second power play now?

At the end of it see what happens in the plays now...

so you see it as a trade that in hindsight 20 years after was a mistake? :/

as MG said, in the current state the nucks are Cody was going to be in the same 3rd line center position for the next 3-5 years regardless of what happened he was never going to take Hank or Keslers spot

personally i see this trade moreso like the Ballard/Grabner thing, having Kassian [if he can play up to potential] arguably puts us closer to a cup than having hodgson toiling on the 3rd line, it's the same as having Ballard as a depth dman gave us an additional push that Grabner would have never provided in the playoffs

with that said players like Cody have alot of heart and had a knack for scoring big time goals, ill miss him as a player for the nucks

I also agree with Bmac from 1040 who pretty much summed it up when he asked, In the boston game when Salo was low-bridged, who stood up for salo? -nobody-

[pastarocket]

Mike Gillis response to reporters about the Hodgson trade:

Canucks Report - Vancouver Canucks - News (http://canucks.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=39648&navid=DL|VAN|home)

“I think we got more balance in our line-up, more diversified. If you look at centre ice, we’ve got a lot of strength with a lot of veteran players there and the only real power forward we have on our team with that kind of size and speed would be David Booth and we now have a younger player, whose 21, who has that. With Marc-Andre we got a puck moving defenceman who can play on the power play and he’s got really good offensive skills.”

Gillis ended his scrum with a quote that truly resonated with me.

“It’s about balance and it’s about being able to play in any situation and I think we’re better able to play in any situation today then we were.”

I do agree with MG in some respects. Are the Canucks tough enough and gritty enough to play in the Stanley Cup playoffs against big physical teams like Philadelphia and Boston?


The team has all the ingredients now for a deep playoff run: offensive skill, speed, good face off team, more depth at defence, depth at goalie position, good special teams, and now size and toughness.

The jury is out on Kassian though. I wanna him see him play first before making any comments about him.

[Mike Oxbig]

Lol just heard about the coho trade

Jeedee u mad bro?
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he said hes gonna unstitch hodgson on his jersey

[dbaz]

finally get to comment on the deal as im home.
the hodgson trade is good imo. theres more to it than you guys think. honestly if you know anything about hockey and remember the problems lindros created back in the day when his family told him what to do, in a year or 2 you'd be seeing the same with hodgsons camp.
Hodgson has the chance for 70pts in this league but if hes stuck on the 3rd hes not gonna crack 50 often and thats a waste. Its been obvious for some time he was the odd man out. He isnt great on the wing, and hes not good enough(faceoff wise, backchecking etc) to knock Kes to the wing.
Hodgsons dad runs his life to a certain extent going back to his ohl draft days where they told the league there was only 2 or 3 teams he would be willing to play for. his family pushed him to cut ties with the canucks trainers and his camp has had some harsh word towards the canucks. His father did not like his first agent due to not seeing eye to eye and resulted in him leaving that agent. Many analysts close to the canucks feel that this trade was actually brought on by his parents and agent to a certain extent pressuring the canucks and hodgson. I honestly saw this being a problem and have mentioned it before. Yes hodgson will be a good player but he would of been a giant headache down the road. Its no coincidence that he ended up close to ontario either.
As for Kassian he is still rough around the edges. But he is skilled. During the 2010 Memorial Cup he dominated it. Best player on the ice, players were afraid of him much like how lucic dominated in 2007. If you look at Kassian and gragnani together we got the best of the deal and possibly the most upside. Although the best player in the deal went to Buffalo.

[LsquareD]

Had some spare time.. :pokerface:


http://oi44.tinypic.com/1042alh.jpg

[cliffhanger33]

he said hes gonna unstitch hodgson on his jersey

:troll:

[cliffhanger33]

Had some spare time.. :pokerface:


http://oi44.tinypic.com/1042alh.jpg

new nickname for him? :lol

[DsZ24]

Heard that coho got traded to buffalo when I was at work but I thought the guy who said it was joking. Just get home now to find out this is who we got for him, god damn. Hopefully Gillis is some kind of genius and this pays off for us in the playoffs.

I'm going to miss cody tho, think we could have gotten so much more for him.

[Mike Oxbig]

:considered: Maybe coho and cory was offered to the ducks for perry / ryan after all...

[highfive]

I just hope Kassian would rip it up in the playoffs and shut up his critics.

[jeedee]

Lol just heard about the coho trade

Jeedee u mad bro?
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Not mad, just :okay: guy.

Are both players playing tomorrow ?
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Pahlsson and Kassian expected to play in Phoenix tomorrow.

[DanHibiki]

What number are they gonna be?

[kwy]

Pahlsson wearing 26 I believe.

[jeedee]

Pahlsson wearing 26 I believe.

Yup, confirmed by @VanCanucks:

Vancouver Canucks ‏ @VanCanucks
New Canuck, Samuel Pahlsson, will wear 26 in #Vancouver.

Kassians TBA. Possibly Hodgson's #9?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpAQu5y4oO0

:lol

[murd0c]

#9 would be perfect, you can have the first Kassian jersey :troll:

[jeedee]

Zach Kassian shows off big shot 12/7/11 - YouTube

"This player here with the puck is going to be one of the better young players in the league... SCORES!"

Pierre McGuire certainly seems high on him.

[pure.life]

Zach Kassian shows off big shot 12/7/11 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciVzPGf4xLQ)

"This player here with the puck is going to be one of the better young players in the league... SCORES!"

Pierre McGuire certainly seems high on him.

He was high on Phaneuf and look at him now.

[nsmb]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v417/herecomethebombs/aaaaaaaa.jpg








http://i.imgur.com/1egzi.jpg

[rsx]

Fanboys so upset. I don`t understand how Canuck fans don`t see this as an upgrade.

Yes, Cody`s good, but he doesn`t have a role here. 1-2C is too deep.

[mb_]

Zack Kassian scores 4-0 Canada vs USA semifinals - YouTube

look at what # he's wearing :troll:

[highfive]

CDC is finally back on and they are ripping Gillis. lol

Watch the next three games and Kassian scores 2-3 goals. And they would all be Gillis is God again. hahha

[Vansterdam]

zach attack for #9 :troll:

[murd0c]

zach attack for #9 :troll:

hell ya :fuckyea:

[Vansterdam]

man im real stoked for saturdays game

[murd0c]

going to a bday party, I so hope I can watch it...

[jeedee]

Well...time for a new avatar...

[murd0c]

Yep Zack Attack is needed

[Vansterdam]

googled zack attack and came up with this LOL

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_UdxYSPBFtYM/TUhPyCoI1LI/AAAAAAAABJ4/evUx-PyWMKE/s1600/ZackAttack.png

[MG1]

I believe the Hodgson trade is a good one. Cody has history with injuries that might affect him long term. At first I wasn't sure about Kassian, but the clip of the hit he made in the juniors jogged my memory. That kid has potential, no doubt about it. I hope he's in tomorrow's game. I have faith in MG, as he sees the big picture.

[jeedee]

Kassian & Pahlsson confirmed to play in tomorrow's game in Phoenix:

Dan Murphy ‏ @sportsnetmurph
#canucks Sami Pahlsson and Zach Kassian expected in the line-up versus #Coyotes TUE. Byron Bitz victim of numbers, re-assigned to Wolves.

[SkinnyPupp]

I was wondering what the reaction would be. Pretty much what I expected, coho is a fan favorite.

But if Gillis thinks it's worth unloading him to FINALLY address their issues, then I'm all for it. Canucks were getting the shit beat out of them every year by the Hawks. They made it by the skin of their teeth last year, but look what happened with Boston.

Totally the right move imo
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[punkwax]

At first I was like :fuuuuu:

And then I considered MG's track record and I was like :suspicious:

So I looked a little closer at what Kassian brings to the table and I was like :megusta: :considered:

At the end of the day, in MG we trust but :fulloffuck:

[civicyvr]

finally get to comment on the deal as im home.
the hodgson trade is good imo. theres more to it than you guys think. honestly if you know anything about hockey and remember the problems lindros created back in the day when his family told him what to do, in a year or 2 you'd be seeing the same with hodgsons camp.
Hodgson has the chance for 70pts in this league but if hes stuck on the 3rd hes not gonna crack 50 often and thats a waste. Its been obvious for some time he was the odd man out. He isnt great on the wing, and hes not good enough(faceoff wise, backchecking etc) to knock Kes to the wing.
Hodgsons dad runs his life to a certain extent going back to his ohl draft days where they told the league there was only 2 or 3 teams he would be willing to play for. his family pushed him to cut ties with the canucks trainers and his camp has had some harsh word towards the canucks. His father did not like his first agent due to not seeing eye to eye and resulted in him leaving that agent. Many analysts close to the canucks feel that this trade was actually brought on by his parents and agent to a certain extent pressuring the canucks and hodgson. I honestly saw this being a problem and have mentioned it before. Yes hodgson will be a good player but he would of been a giant headache down the road. Its no coincidence that he ended up close to ontario either.
As for Kassian he is still rough around the edges. But he is skilled. During the 2010 Memorial Cup he dominated it. Best player on the ice, players were afraid of him much like how lucic dominated in 2007. If you look at Kassian and gragnani together we got the best of the deal and possibly the most upside. Although the best player in the deal went to Buffalo.

I get where the people who support this trade is coming from but do you think Kassian is ready for that role now?

If people are talking about the future, this deal could have been done after the season. Also still not sure why Gillis told other GM's Coho was not on the table. Not sure if we got full value on this trade.

[Vansterdam]

kassian has alot of potential considering its only his first year in the nhl

2010 mem cup winner
canada u20 silver winner

im sure with the right team,staff,coach and player developement he will beast it


or be a big bust

:troll:

i still think we shouldof at least got a draft pick with the coho trade

[jeedee]

If people are talking about the future, this deal could have been done after the season.

That's the thing though. Kassian was brought in for "short term", specifically for this years run, not long term.

[punkwax]

MG is one smart man. I bet he had an extremely short list of players he'd trade Hodson for straight across for, factoring in age, cap hit etc. and Kassian was on that list. If a team expressed interest in Hodgson and they didnt have someone he was interested in, its just a hell of a lot easier to say no and move on rather than waste time explaining it to every GM you speak with on deadline day.

[iwantaskyline]

I was in complete shock..

We just traded our 2nd most offensively creative centre (Kesler cannot pass for shit) and I was pissed when I found out. I do not watch eastern games and my first reaction was who the hell is Zach Kassian.

However I do believe MG has good reason to do this. He either thinks Schroeder will fill in the void for Cody next year, or Cody really did ask for a trade. The trade request topic is pretty much speculation but one has to wonder why MG didn't simply say "No, Cody never asked for a trade" instead of the whole run around.

I honestly never thought for a second we were going to trade Cody. I never believed in the whole we are too stacked at C. Always thought we could move Kes to the wing (played real well as Sundin's winger).

If it was up to me I would have traded for Downie instead, he essentially cost a 1st round draft pick..

[UFO]

MG basically retooled the role of the entire third line. With Coho centering the 3rd, it was always some rendition of scoring depth. You could argue Coho didn't have the support on the 3rd line wings to be fully effective at this. So MG has built a third line now that can be 100% shut down, not expected to really contribute much officially, and that takes some defensive responsibility and PK duties away from Kesler and Burrows. Kassian has the upside to be a offensive power forward in the long term, but in the short term he is still a big body who can skate and help hold other teams' rats accountable. We don't need him to be a top 6 fwd this year and run, but if he develops to be one in the next couple years that would be awesome. So this works both long term and short term.

We'll see if he can crack the lineup consistently, will need to see him play some to decide.

[woob]

I doubt Cody asked for a trade. He sounded so choked up on TSN.

[UFO]

I do not watch eastern games and my first reaction was who the hell is Zach Kassian.


I think that is the reaction most Vancouverites are having. Buffalo fans are probably thinking the same about Coho.

[Gh0stRider]

Rich Nash -23 hah

[PiuYi]

coho was one valuable asset, im not sure MG got the most out of this trade... prbly could have wringed out a draft pick also...

jordan schroeder isn't ready to take coho's place for sure, maybe in another year

and when the sedins get shutdown during the playoffs and we're dying for some offence... boy i'd hate to be in MG's shoes



I doubt Cody asked for a trade. He sounded so choked up on TSN.

+1

[dbaz]

I get where the people who support this trade is coming from but do you think Kassian is ready for that role now?

If people are talking about the future, this deal could have been done after the season. Also still not sure why Gillis told other GM's Coho was not on the table. Not sure if we got full value on this trade.

I clearly said kassian is rough around the edges still. As for in the playoffs depending on his role he can be effective. If hes going to be playing 3rd/4th line and laying out the body hes doing a good job. If hes expected to be a scoring threat immediately he wont. Maybe in 2 years but now, no. I can see him putting up points possibly but nothing super right away. His physical play will be nice though. I can see his hits causing turnovers with rushes and momentum.
Honestly with the playoffs coming up I would have figured hodgson was going to ride the pine a lot more anyways. Completely different game in the playoffs especially when you are 3rd line. You have to win your faceoffs and be able to get back on d first, scoring next thats the bottom six. Hodgson isnt the greatest at those 2 and probably would have seen his playing time drop in the playoffs.

[6thGear.]

We're a victim of our own success, our future players(Hodgeson, Schnieder, Tanev) have developed quicker than everyone thought and Hodgeson is the first casualty of that. I'm sure Gillis gave it a good thought before pulling the trigger. Has he done wrong yet? The biggest bust may argueably be Ballard, but if that was the worst he's done till this point, he's doing a pretty good job.

I did think to myself, it would be funny if both Kassian and Hodgeson are rentals and both ended up getting traded back after the season is over.

[punkwax]

^ you forgot about Sturm...

[murd0c]

^ you forgot about Sturm...

he fixed that mistake really quick tho and didnt wait to see if it would pan out like most other gm's

[6thGear.]

Lol. Forgot about Sturm but he got traded so quickly, you can't really count him
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[Ch28]

Hodgson sounded like he was about to cry when Duthie called him during Trade Deadline

[cliffhanger33]

Hodgson sounded like he was about to cry when Duthie called him during Trade Deadline

Does anyone have a link of the video/recording of it?

[spideyv2]

I think Pahlsson is gonna be a very good pickup for our cup run

[cliffhanger33]

Brian Burke went to Harvard:whistle:

[Bonka]

he fixed that mistake really quick tho and didnt wait to see if it would pan out like most other gm's

And a nice fix that was :)

[highfive]

I think some ppl are overlooking Gragnani. The guy was a point a game last year in the playoffs.

Plus, adding a power play specialist would make our PP much deadlier.

[RiceIntegraRS]

^Sabres fans are really happy they got rid of Gragnani saying he was a turnover machine. Sounds like he needs to be paired with a guy whose defensively sound, a stay at home type defencemen.

[akalic]

looks like the asians of vancouver finally got their own jeremy lin then :troll:

[cliffhanger33]

I think some ppl are overlooking Gragnani. The guy was a point a game last year in the playoffs.

Plus, adding a power play specialist would make our PP much deadlier.

I wont judge Gragnani until i see how he fits with the canucks. I think he really does demonstrate some offensive talent and he can definitely make the first pass. However, I think he doesnt really have the grit, he's pretty soft imo, but its completely different scenario over here in the west. Maybe his style will fit the canucks and the west.

[roastpuff]

Hodgson sounded like he was about to cry when Duthie called him during Trade Deadline

If I was him I would be choked too. The opportunity to win the Cup after coming back from injuries and then to be traded to a non-competing team? That's got to suck.
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[LikeASir]

^Sabres fans are really happy they got rid of Gragnani saying he was a turnover machine. Sounds like he needs to be paired with a guy whose defensively sound, a stay at home type defencemen.

a future pairing with tanev? or sauve?

it would be like the hamhuis-bieksa pairing....bieksa the turn over machine and hamhuis there to bail him out lol

[cliffhanger33]

^Sabres fans are really happy they got rid of Gragnani saying he was a turnover machine. Sounds like he needs to be paired with a guy whose defensively sound, a stay at home type defencemen.

Sabre fans think we got the short end of the stick here.

According to a Sabre fan on a forum:

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube
...Kassian's toughness had not carried over from his junior days to the AHL/NHL...


Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube
Again guys, Kassian's junior toughness has not transferred to the pro level hardly at all. That's what has been worrying Sabres fans since last season even. I don't think Vancouver is going to get what they're hoping for on this one.

[spideyv2]

Gragnani can also play the wing

[cliffhanger33]

Meh, I think Gragnani has potentials. didnt he win the Eddie Shore Award last year. truly has potentials, we'll see..

[Ikkaku]

hahaha I think its really a toss-up with Kassian's toughness as per cliffhanger's post regarding sabre fan's comments... on one hand, we need someone who is big and is willing to protect the teammates, along with providing bit hits as an energy guy. On the other hand, we don't want some badass who will be in the box all day long.

Just look at what happened to SOB :lol

[cliffhanger33]

hahaha I think its really a toss-up with Kassian's toughness as per cliffhanger's post regarding sabre fan's comments... on one hand, we need someone who is big and is willing to protect the teammates, along with providing bit hits as an energy guy. On the other hand, we don't want some badass who will be in the box all day long.

Just look at what happened to SOB :lol


The guy does play with a lot of emotions, he makes dirty runs, but dam he's a friken monster on ice.

[HD] Zack Kassian Headshot Hit on Matt Kennedy - YouTube

[jackmeister]

sorry to break the trade chat, but we could've used chris neil:

http://youtu.be/D7V7i0N5JZU

[Ronin]

HAHAHAHAH that is just about the most illegal hit ever. He basically jumps sideways into the guy's face. It's almost comically illegal...LOL.

EDIT: talking about Kassian's hit.

[Ronin]

Canucks at Bruins - Cody Hodgson 4-2 Goal - 01.07.12 - HD - YouTube

Cody... :tears:

Dammit. I honestly thought he'd be here longer somehow. I thought if somehow Pittsburgh has Jordan Staal on the third line, we could keep Hodgson there too.

[hypediss]

Canucks at Bruins - Cody Hodgson 4-2 Goal - 01.07.12 - HD - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8pgCZxLueg)

Cody... :tears:

Dammit. I honestly thought he'd be here longer somehow. I thought if somehow Pittsburgh has Jordan Staal on the third line, we could keep Hodgson there too.

:okay::okay::okay::okay::okay::okay::okay::okay:

so bitter right now its not even funny

:alone:

[Hondaracer]

HAHAHAHAH that is just about the most illegal hit ever. He basically jumps sideways into the guy's face. It's almost comically illegal...LOL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oYABjkWiJc

[MR_BIGGS]

Don't really know what to make of the Hodgson trade.

It appears we lost our third line offense, something so vital in the playoffs (depth scoring). For whatever reason, if the first two lines dry up, you look to the third line to chip in where they can. Maybe a more tough and gritty third line chips in more in the playoffs because their crash and bang style lends to it. I just don't know.

Thing with trading a 21 year old for a 22 year old, is we may not know who won the trade for some years. Depending on what the Canucks do this season, we may find out earlier.

[bballguy]

Dammit. I honestly thought he'd be here longer somehow. I thought if somehow Pittsburgh has Jordan Staal on the third line, we could keep Hodgson there too.

Staal isn't on the 3rd line; he's on the 2nd line. Crosby is irrelevant at this point. I'm sure if Kesler or Henrik had a possible career-ending injury that had kept them out for almost 2 seasons that we would still be holding onto Hodgeson too.

[jeedee]

Does anyone have a link of the video/recording of it?

Cody Hodgson Traded To The Buffalo Sabres For Zack Kassian. February 27th 2012 - YouTube

@14:30

[604778]

I can't get over that coho got traded..
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[PiuYi]

hoping kassian is more milan lucic than ben eager... :heckno:

but srsly, i think much of the canucks success is due to them being dangerous offensively throughout 3 or 4 lines, even when top 2 aren't producing, we're still able to score goals and pull out wins... but now i think there is increased pressure on top 2 lines to score consistently

[n3w8ie-aler]

i hope hes not another Torres.
It least Cody can play with Ehroff

[mb_]

Cody Hodgson Traded To The Buffalo Sabres For Zack Kassian. February 27th 2012 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06Tz_SkksLE)

@14:30

Lol @14:00
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[b0unce. [?]]

TSN Video Player (http://watch.tsn.ca/featured/#clip627386)

scott howson is such a fucking tool. calling out nash like that was a faggot move. the press conference is worth watching the whole way thru.

aaron ward said it best in response:
TSN Video Player (http://watch.tsn.ca/featured/#clip627506)

[trip]

agreed it was a bitch move.

[subordinate]

:seriously:

We already knew Rick Nash had requested a trade prior to Scott saying it at the press conference.

It seems nothing but Canadian News making a big deal out of nothing.

[spideyv2]

Columbus is lucky Nash hasnt demanded a trade from their shitty ass franchise. That place is a prospect graveyard.
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[trip]

it was definitely known but there's no need to for that.

also nash ultimately had the ball in his court. he couldve denied going to X team when it couldve been a big return for the CBJ franchise

[Alatar]

Hodgson doesn't sound upset for someone who just got traded away from a cup contender.

[jeedee]

it was definitely known but there's no need to for that.

also nash ultimately had the ball in his court. he couldve denied going to X team when it couldve been a big return for the CBJ franchise

Considering Nash has played for a shit franchise for almost 10 years, I highly doubt he'd be willing to go to ANOTHER shit franchise. Hence the NTC.

Shit franchises usually overpay for players like Nash, which would get a big return for CBJ. But since Nash has a specific list, the most CBJ will get is a Kovalchuk/Brad Richards/Mike Richards etc return.

[jeedee]

Hodgson doesn't sound upset for someone who just got traded away from a cup contender.

Agreed. It's no coincidence he gets traded to Buffalo, which is nearby where his brother goes to College and his family lives...

Oh well, I wish Cody the best of luck.

[cliffhanger33]

Canucks and Sabre trade call

NHL: Sabres and Canucks trade call Video - NHL VideoCenter - Vancouver Canucks (http://video.canucks.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=160832)

[trip]

Considering Nash has played for a shit franchise for almost 10 years, I highly doubt he'd be willing to go to ANOTHER shit franchise. Hence the NTC.

Shit franchises usually overpay for players like Nash, which would get a big return for CBJ. But since Nash has a specific list, the most CBJ will get is a Kovalchuk/Brad Richards/Mike Richards etc return.

definitely.. it seems like they threw him out to dry though. says alot about the management

[MWR34]

http://1.cdn.nhle.com/photos/mugs/8470280.jpg
Ben Eager #55
Edmonton Oilers Left Wing

NUMBER: 55 BIRTHDATE: January 22, 1984 (AGE 28)
HEIGHT: 6' 2" BIRTHPLACE: Ottawa, ON, Canada
WEIGHT: 240 DRAFTED: PHX / 2002 NHL Entry Draft
Shoots: Left ROUND: 1st (23rd overall)

http://1.cdn.nhle.com/photos/mugs/8473473.jpg
Milan Lucic #17
Boston Bruins Left Wing
VIDEO ›BUY JERSEYS ›
NUMBER: 17 BIRTHDATE: June 7, 1988 (AGE 23)
HEIGHT: 6' 4" BIRTHPLACE: Vancouver, BC, Canada
WEIGHT: 220 DRAFTED: BOS / 2006 NHL Entry Draft
Shoots: Left ROUND: 2nd (50th overall)

http://1.cdn.nhle.com/photos/mugs/8475178.jpg
Zack Kassian #54
Vancouver Canucks Right Wing
VIDEO ›BUY JERSEYS ›
NUMBER: 54 BIRTHDATE: January 24, 1991 (AGE 21)
HEIGHT: 6' 3" BIRTHPLACE: Windsor, ON, Canada
WEIGHT: 214 DRAFTED: BUF / 2009 NHL Entry Draft
Shoots: Right ROUND: 1st (13th overall)


Vancouver got what we have been lacking, an enforcer who takes on anyone and stands up for everyone.

CoHo was a great player, but we didnt have a perfect spot for him being a center. I wish him the best of luck in Buffalo. He will be one to watch over the years.

[cliffhanger33]

Guess we gotta take down the CoHo posters on the Canada line stations now :okay:

[Gh0stRider]

Marc Crawford got :troll: lol

[MWR34]

no more CoHo... should we call him ZaKa?

[JKam]

definitely.. it seems like they threw him out to dry though. says alot about the management

More like management did what was best for the player and the Canucks franchise while satisfying the Hodgson camp's demands.

*edit* fail at reading :okay:

[GrapeDrink]

lol I'm obv a bit late to this whole coho debate, but seriously you gotta give to get, now I don't really know much about this Kassian guy but lol @ everyone that thinks " OMG WHY DIDNT WE TRADE RAYMOND+ 1ST and etc instead" :facepalm: you can't just shove your teams garbage(not a knock on mayray I'd love for him to be on my team lol,) and expect buffalo to give what I'm hearing was their organizations top prospect.

[UFO]

^that comment was re: Rick Nash's handling. Nothing to do with CoHo at all

[Verdasco]

no more CoHo... should we call him ZaKa?

me like! ZaKa is a beast!!! new nickname for the huge forward!

[JKam]

^that comment was re: Rick Nash's handling. Nothing to do with CoHo at all

oh.. oops. My mistake :okay:

[spideyv2]

Vernon Fiddler Impersonating Kevin Bieksa - YouTube

Fighting for the 8th and final playoff spot is really stressful. I guess this is what happens to the players?

[Durrann]

I'm gonna miss the salmon
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[TRDood]

Learned about Coho trade at work after lunch. Then I felt like

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/172/418/1315623696829.jpg
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[cliffhanger33]

My reaction when I first head about it at school was more of this:
NO GOD! PLEASE NO!!! NOOOOOOOOOO - YouTube

I legit screamed NO out loud in class

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/007/423/untitle.JPG

[Ronin]

At first I was like "Kassian? Cool. Good luck in Buffalo, MayRay."

Then I was like "WAIT. WE TRADED WHO?"

[kristianhay]

hoping kassian is more milan lucic than ben eager... :heckno:

but srsly, i think much of the canucks success is due to them being dangerous offensively throughout 3 or 4 lines, even when top 2 aren't producing, we're still able to score goals and pull out wins... but now i think there is increased pressure on top 2 lines to score consistently

You also need to consider that the new lineup takes some of the defensive pressure off of Kesler. Pahlsson shut down the first line during the Ducks 06/07 Stanley Cup victory. Obviously he's older now and not as viable, but he's still extremely good defensively and this will allow Kesler / Booth / Whoever to focus more on their offensive game.

Kassian has a scoring touch and is great at cycling the puck. If you remember the WJC where he played, he was a beast. He's been compared to Lucic, Neely, Tkachuk and Bertuzzi. Power forwards generally take some more time to develop, but in a system such as the Canucks he might thrive. He will be given every opportunity to succeed and I foresee him playing on the second line to start.

Look at it like this, where is the grit/sandpaper that is proven to be needed to win the Cup?

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Booth - Kesler - Higgins
Raymond - Hodgson - Hansen
Bitz - Lapierre - Weise

With that lineup, it's pretty much dependent on the fourth line. We would get run over in the playoffs.

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Booth - Kesler - Kassian
Higgins - Pahlsson - Raymond
Hansen - Lapierre - Bitz/Weise

This lineup adds grit from lines 2-4. It makes a lot more sense to run with this type of lineup, especially going into the playoffs.

It seems a lot of people haven't even seen Kassian play yet, so give the kid a chance.

[jeedee]

At first, my dumbass friends were like:

"DID U HEAR? EDLER AND HODGSON TRADED TO NASHVILLE FOR WEBER"

And I went :accepted: and told them "ya right, its a fake account reporting that". And it was.

An hour later, checked my phone and Bob McKenzie tweeted:

"Cody Hodgson to Buffalo"

Went :okay: guy the whole day after..

[cliffhanger33]

I actually kept double checking whether that McKenzie tweet was fake or not LOL

[subordinate]

Man.....

What am I going to do with all this Salmon now.

:troll:

[dbaz]

kassians gonna play on the third or 4th line guys, no point rushing him into a bad situation on the second line. hes just gonna grind people down for the rest of the year with pahlsson and higgins/hansen

[cliffhanger33]

Actually excited/curious to see how it will turn out tmr :lol

[jeedee]

kassians gonna play on the third or 4th line guys, no point rushing him into a bad situation on the second line. hes just gonna grind people down for the rest of the year with pahlsson and higgins/hansen

Yeah for sure. But I wouldn't be surprised to see him slotted with Booth and Kesler during the playoffs. That's the line I'm looking most forward to.

Actually excited/curious to see how it will turn out tmr :lol

I'm also curious to find out what number he is to replace my Hodgson jersey..............

[trip]

we can arm chair GM all day long but in the end. gilly has done a good job thus far

he fixed the sturm one right up with the booth pick up.

in gillis we trust

[jeedee]

we can arm chair GM all day long but in the end. gilly has done a good job thus far

he fixed the sturm one right up with the booth pick up.

in gillis we trust

Agreed. He even managed to fix the Ballard situation...somewhat :lol

If Gillis sees something in Kassian AND dealt Hodgson for him, he has a damn good reason for it.

[cliffhanger33]

Agreed. He even managed to fix the Ballard situation...somewhat :lol

If Gillis sees something in Kassian AND dealt Hodgson for him, he has a damn good reason for it.

Yeah. Gillis truly sees so much potential in Kassiam. He was like "I dont see anything not to like about him"

[highfive]

Yeah ppl at CDC made this trade sounded like Hogdson was traded for some big 6'3 grinder.

I thought the same originally but the videos showed a lot of skill as well.


There's a Gilman video at Canucks.com, he said they were trying to acquire Gragnani last year at the trade deadline too. So it seems like Gragnani wasn't someone thrown into the trade but was targeted as well.

[Blah_Teggie]

You guys see the shots on goal for tonight's Rangers vs Devils game? Rangers 14 and Devils 13. No, that's not just after one period of play. Those were the total shots after 60 mins. Kinda hard to believe when have shooters like Gaborik, Kovalchuk and Parise playing. Wonder what the record is for fewest shots in a game is.
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[DanHibiki]

Yeah ppl at CDC made this trade sounded like Hogdson was traded for some big 6'3 grinder.

I thought the same originally but the videos showed a lot of skill as well.


There's a Gilman video at Canucks.com, he said they were trying to acquire Gragnani last year at the trade deadline too. So it seems like Gragnani wasn't someone thrown into the trade but was targeted as well.

there's nothing wrong with what he got back it's just that....WE LOVE COHO!!!!!!! :tears: