[Tim Budong]

Canucks have no ECHL/AHL affiliate..
i forgot which team it was last season...(3days ago...UGH) that didnt have AHL affiliate...

[shawn79]

ya then our prospect will be scattered around the AHL as in being lend to other teams; i think
like the ducks thats why dan sexton was playing in the moose?

[Tim Budong]

watch the chinese boy thrown em haha
his +/- is quite astonishing too, +41 last year with the TriCityAmericans

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b2zhJABnY0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWdHFEfyepk

[Ronin]

he plays similar style like burrows but i still prefer burrows over marchard altho im mirin his agitating and clutch skills :cry:

think they did that to prab rai making the canucks community grew even larger in surrey, this time will be in richmond and hong kong :fullofwin:

I agree but Marchand has higher top-end potential than Burr, I think. Remember he's a rookie. I'd choose Burr right now any day...but long term...I'd have to think about it.

YOU MY BOY, BURR but still, I'd love to have Marchand on our team. That kid will be a very good NHL player.

watch the chinese boy thrown em haha
his +/- is quite astonishing too, +41 last year with the TriCityAmericans

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b2zhJABnY0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWdHFEfyepk

He Canadian? No kid from Hong Kong or China is going to throw down like that on the ice.

I wish players dropped their lids more often before fighting. I hate seeing people fight with visors on. Just seems like it isn't right and really dangerous.

[Tim Budong]

Canadian Born Chinese, with his dad being very active in Chinese media...

Jr. leagues play within CHL rules. If helmet comes off during play, u must leave the ice or a penalty will be assessed. If you intentionally drop your lid before a fight, 10min misconduct.

[Grandmaster TSE]

his dad does color commentary for soccer if i remember correctly

[Ronin]

Canadian Born Chinese, with his dad being very active in Chinese media...

Jr. leagues play within CHL rules. If helmet comes off during play, u must leave the ice or a penalty will be assessed. If you intentionally drop your lid before a fight, 10min misconduct.

Didn't know that. I guess it's to protect kids from hitting their heads on the ice during a fight. Reasonable.

But I still don't like fighting with visors on. Serious danger to hands and eyes if that thing breaks...and it can. That and it's just...it just seems not right to fight with a visor on.

[Tim Budong]

Didn't know that. I guess it's to protect kids from hitting their heads on the ice during a fight. Reasonable.

But I still don't like fighting with visors on. Serious danger to hands and eyes if that thing breaks...and it can. That and it's just...it just seems not right to fight with a visor on.

protect the kids and promote safe hockey yep
Visors are mandatory as well.
Can't win em all unless u ban the fighting...but u know..thats another long ass debate. I should try to catch this kid play when he comes to town vs the giants. see why he's ranked 69 on central scouting come draft day

early 3rd round choice?

[Bouncing Bettys]

I remember when Tyson Nash played for the Blazers, even into his NHL career, he never seemed to be able to keep his helmet on during a shift. Guess he liked the straps loose so his helmet could "fall off" during a fight.

[CorneringArtist]

Thread is moving pretty quick, so I just caught up.

So basically we get the shaft in terms of a farm team, or is the league trying to get us a replacement team name and site from a lower league? It would be complete bullshit to have our entire prospect pool displaced among other teams in the AHL.

[spoon.ek9]

i have a feeling this thread could end up being even more epic than last season's!

[Ronin]

protect the kids and promote safe hockey yep
Visors are mandatory as well.
Can't win em all unless u ban the fighting...but u know..thats another long ass debate. I should try to catch this kid play when he comes to town vs the giants. see why he's ranked 69 on central scouting come draft day

early 3rd round choice?

I KNOW! I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm not saying they shouldn't fight despite the visor...I just don't like seeing it, that's all. I've always thought of fighting in hockey as an honorable part of the sport when done properly (see awesome guys like Laraque who would ask nicely if the other guy would fight, wish him good luck and then pat him on the back and say "Good fight." afterwards.). I really like that part of the game and I think it takes a good fan to understand and enjoy it. I see a good scrap as a great point of sportsmanship in hockey and I just don't think it is when you fight with a visor.

[JesseBlue]

the canucks will have to find an affiliate ahl team next season or our talent pool will begin to sink...it has to be a local area team so at least people will support it more than another teams (who shall remain nameless) farm team...:devil:

[AzNightmare]

I KNOW! I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm not saying they shouldn't fight despite the visor...I just don't like seeing it, that's all. I've always thought of fighting in hockey as an honorable part of the sport when done properly (see awesome guys like Laraque who would ask nicely if the other guy would fight, wish him good luck and then pat him on the back and say "Good fight." afterwards.). I really like that part of the game and I think it takes a good fan to understand and enjoy it. I see a good scrap as a great point of sportsmanship in hockey and I just don't think it is when you fight with a visor.

Yeah, some of the veterans that are known as fighters remove their helmets, and have that short stand-off before engaging a fight.
Those are the good clean fights that I enjoy, and no one gets jumped early.

[EmperorIS]

Chilliwack Bruins :troll:

[TRDood]

So the legendary 2010/2011 thread has 1648 pages.

Hopefully this 2011/2012 thread will explode and top that. Back to back SCF please but this time a WIN.
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[jeedee]

October just can't come soon enough..

Can't wait for free agency though!

[spideyv2]

can't wait for the entry draft and july 1st.
If we manage to pull in Brooks Laich, i'd be stoked

[b0unce. [?]]

i bet gillis will get someone completely out of the blue we wouldn't expect :lol

[Iceman_2K]

Wouldn't be surprised - its gonna be an interesting summer to see what the Canucks do to tweak the team and who they get as a farm team.

[Alatar]

;7479794']i bet gillis will get someone completely out of the blue we wouldn't expect :lol

It's MGD time! Mike Gillis Draft time, that is! Not that pisswater swill they call Miller Genuine Draft. ;)

Curious to see what draft picks they'll nab this year, and what, if any acquisitions they'll make. Also curious to see who won't be coming back...

[spoon.ek9]

i wish i could shake the hand of every canuck this year. they did a fantastic job!

gillis will get 'er done right. the guy is a hockey genius :D

[Mercy]

I'm really looking forward to what is going to happen this offseason... Signings trades, the possibilities. Can't wait for next season boys. This time we'll end up with 96 wins.
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[b0unce. [?]]

Frolov :troll:
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[SkinnyPupp]

Wow, mike Gillis sure gets a lot of tire pumping, considering the core of the team was put together by Burke and Nonis. Something Gillis never gives credit for btw.

Gillis has done a good job of filling gaps and basically not fucking up like a lot of GMs do. I don't thunk he's a "genius" though...

[punkwax]

That's part of what I like about Gillis. A lot of new GMs come in, try and put their stamp on things and fuck it up. MG's tires deserve to be pumped 100%
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[Hondaracer]

Wow, mike Gillis sure gets a lot of tire pumping, considering the core of the team was put together by Burke and Nonis. Something Gillis never gives credit for btw.

Gillis has done a good job of filling gaps and basically not fucking up like a lot of GMs do. I don't thunk he's a "genius" though...

any GM can build a core, it's getting the role players and depth that get you to the cup that takes skill.

[RiceIntegraRS]

any GM can build a core, it's getting the role players and depth that get you to the cup that takes skill.

I wouldnt say any GM, ask Mike Milbury.

[BlackV62K2]

Just heard Adele - Rolling in the deep on the radio and it reminded me of the SCF :(

[b0unce. [?]]

Eh, burke will always try to take credit for everything and soak up as much media attention as possible. Y U NO INVITE ME TO LINDEN'S RETIREMENT CEREMONY? Brb gotta finish arguing with Kevin lowe.
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[SkinnyPupp]

;7480410']Eh, burke will always try to take credit for everything and soak up as much media attention as possible. Y U NO INVITE ME TO LINDEN'S RETIREMENT CEREMONY? Brb gotta finish arguing with Kevin lowe.
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Burke gave 100% full credit to Bryan Murray when he won the cup in Anaheim in his first (or was it second?) year there.

[hotshot1]

Salary cap at $64M according to Bob Mackenzie.

Wow, did not expect it to go up so high.


http://twitter.com/#!/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/82663249056772096

[Iceman_2K]

whoa....now all of a sudden, we might keep more than we thought we would.

[tonyzoomzoom]

higher salary cap could also mean that the asking price for the free agents also just went up :(

[shawn79]

do they expect the cap to go up every year because thats what it seems like :blueguy:

[hotshot1]

Yea, those approved long term contracts like Hossa, Keith, Kovalchuk, Luongo, etc. are looking like a steal, especially if the cap keeps going up at the same pace (it started at $39M in 05/06).

[mb_]

Bieksa and Salo already stated they'd take a pay cut to stay here.. hopefully the cap going up won't change their decisions.

[shawn79]

id take jovo over salo for the same price

[b0unce. [?]]

i wish we could just rebuild salo with adamantium so he could play a FULL season :lol

[RiceIntegraRS]

higher salary cap could also mean that the asking price for the free agents also just went up :(

Thats exactly what i thought as soon as i saw that msg. Now Ehrhoff and Bieksa know that the Canucks will be able to fit them under the Salary Cap No problem. Im hoping that they dont get greedy now. Im just hoping we can sign a Top Tier Winger to play with Kesler

[jeedee]

Thats exactly what i thought as soon as i saw that msg. Now Ehrhoff and Bieksa know that the Canucks will be able to fit them under the Salary Cap No problem. Im hoping that they dont get greedy now. Im just hoping we can sign a Top Tier Winger to play with Kesler

I don't know about Ehrhoff, but I read an article where Bieksa stated "I'm not a money person", so resigning him shouldn't be an issue, as he's supposedly not greedy.

Edit: Found it:

http://www.vancouversun.com/opinion/editorials/Auto+emission+deal+clears/2772222/Kevin+Bieksa+money+ready+compromise+stay+with+Canu cks/4966875/story.html

[Harvey Specter]

And a lot of free agents that might have skipped Vancouver will want to come to Vancouver after our cup run and incredible season.

And I hope Gillis makes the right moves this summer and beefs the team up where we need some beefing up so we can make another cup run next season. I have faith in the core we have and I don't think we'll have to wait over a decade for another cup run, it'll happen sooner rather than later.

[RiceIntegraRS]

Yeah Bieksa is a different story. Hes best friends with Kesler and Burrows and loves playing in Vancouver. Ehrhoff has also stated he was willing to take a hometown discount but how much is the question.

Id like to see us go after Simon Gagne. Hes alil injury prone but hes definately a playoff performer. Hes collected over 26Mil in the past 5 seasons so maybe this time around he'll be looking for a cup instead of the money. The Other big ticket name is Brad Richards. We can easily trade away Raymond and Ballard and there combined salaries would be almost equivilent to Richards would be making. Im well aware Richards is a center but as u may know, u can never have enough centers cause they can also play wing aswell.

[SkinnyPupp]

Brad Richards has about as much chance of coming here as Shea Weber. Slim to none.

[jeedee]

LOL as much as I'd love to see Richards sign with us..it's highly unlikely LOl. Trading away Raymond and Ballard wouldn't still be enough for him IMO.

He said he wants to play in a "smaller NHL market", so who knows. Stranger things have happened in the past during free agency.

Brad Richards has about as much chance of coming here as Shea Weber. Slim to none.

Well said, well said :lol

[RiceIntegraRS]

Wishful thinking i guess, but i honestly rather have Richards on this team than Weber. Our defence when healthy doesnt need a guy like Weber. Not to take anything away from Weber, i know how good he is, but the reason we lost in the SCF is not our defence imo.

[Hondaracer]

Richards isn't a player we need/want anyways, neither is gange
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[shawn79]

rather pay a bit more for gagne, anyone remember the rumors because simon gagne for markus naslund so he can play with forsberg in philly hahah
gagne > raymond

[DanHibiki]

Ya Gange would be great!.....fo the 12 games he will be healthy enough to play.

[hotshot1]

Simon Gagne and Brad Richards are both 31 and are at the end of their primes.

I wouldn't want either of them unless the contracts were short term, I'd be comfortable with 2 years, max of 3.

[b0unce. [?]]

Ya Gange would be great!.....fo the 12 games he will be healthy enough to play.

well put :lol

[SkinnyPupp]

Yeah blowing money on Gagne and Salo would be a horrible idea

[jeedee]

rather pay a bit more for gagne, anyone remember the rumors because simon gagne for markus naslund so he can play with forsberg in philly hahah
gagne > raymond

LOL holy blast from the past. Now that you brought that up, who remembers this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRgap4Wns9w

:lol

[SkinnyPupp]

Simon Gagne and Brad Richards are both 31 and are at the end of their primes.

I wouldn't want either of them unless the contracts were short term, I'd be comfortable with 2 years, max of 3.
Players like Richards don't hit their 'prime' until after 31, IMO. He may not score as many goals as he once did, but as a character player on your roster, he's worth a lot.

[b0unce. [?]]

with hoff, i think he realizes that we're close to a cup and he believes mg will come through making some changes/tweaks to improve the team and put us back in the finals within the next year or two. based on the interview, it looks like hoff just wants a 'fair' deal to remain a canuck. hopefully he stays.

honestly, i wouldn't mind seeing salo here again assuming he's here for the right price. even tho the cap has been raised, i would like to see a few new faces/improvements from mg. i know ballard is tied down and is incredibly over paid, but... i think they are gonna find a way to help him mesh better. it SEEMS that ballard has the drive and motivation to improve and play better to crack the full time roster.

i'd like to see tanev in the line up definitely. nothing but impressed with the kid during the regular season and couldn't argue or say anything negative about him during the playoffs when he had to step him. kid plays solid d, nothing more i could really ask for at this point.

[Hondaracer]

dont want Gagne or Richards

edit* Tanev > Hoff? :troll:

[shawn79]

one of hoff or kaberle will go to red wings for the lost of rafalski

[jeedee]

one of hoff or kaberle will go to red wings for the lost of rafalski

Eklund, is that you? :troll:

I'll bet you neither will

[Ronin]

LOL Richards!? I want whatever crack you people were smoking when you thought that one up.

[cressydrift]

We should trade with Winterpeg to get Dustin 'the black anvil' Byfuglin. We need a big body bad to play with the sisters. At the same time we need some more skill on the "Helicopter" line.

[b0unce. [?]]

We should trade with Winterpeg to get Dustin 'the black anvil' Byfuglin. We need a big body bad to play with the sisters. At the same time we need some more skill on the "Helicopter" line.

are you implying he goes back to pwf? or you would want him to play d but to just stand in front of the net during a PP or something

[Domed]

we should try to sign leino and let him play with kes and mayb samuelsson that would be pretty sick

[b0unce. [?]]

if only samuelsson played as well as he did during the regular season in the playoffs, i'd be happy :P

[spoon.ek9]

good lord, can you imagine buttfugger on the same team as luongo? personally, i hate the guy for what he did to us in the playoffs :lol

it's akin to signing messier IMO.

[Tim Budong]

MG has done the right things...gotta agree with that, he did manage to keep the core of the team together..so kudos to him. Im curious how his draft choices from his past to future will pan out. then we can truly measure his success.

[Ronin]

Wow, mike Gillis sure gets a lot of tire pumping, considering the core of the team was put together by Burke and Nonis. Something Gillis never gives credit for btw.

Gillis has done a good job of filling gaps and basically not fucking up like a lot of GMs do. I don't thunk he's a "genius" though...

The core didn't evolve until Gillis got here...maybe during Nonis somewhat as well. Gillis has made better moves than Burke ever did apart from the amazing deal to get the Sedins on draft day. Look at the deadline deals that were supposed to bolster our roster. Yay, Mika Norenen...Eric Weinrich...Martin Ruchinsky...

Higgins and Lappy have been the absolute best deadline deals since '94...and Gillis has managed to get this roster under great deals.

The way I see it is...Gillis makes decisions based on math and logic when others might go on...feel. Look at fucking Glen Sather for example.

[shawn79]

Eklund, is that you? :troll:

I'll bet you neither will

just pulling shit out my ass :alone:

[DanHibiki]

good lord, can you imagine buttfugger on the same team as luongo? personally, i hate the guy for what he did to us in the playoffs :lol

it's akin to signing messier IMO.

Nah it's not the same at all.

Messier took away Linden's captaincy, took #11 when he shouldn't have, and plotted with Mike Keenan to get rid of most of the roster to do it THEIR way.

[spoon.ek9]

akin = similar, not the same. but i see your point. either way, fuck messier!

[trip]

;7480530']i wish we could just rebuild salo with adamantium so he could play a FULL season :lol

it would make him slower but his slapshot HAX!

[spoon.ek9]

i'm actually rather surprised salo survived the playoffs relatively unscathed. pretty dang good for glass man!

[Ronin]

We hate Buttfugly because he beasted against us in the playoffs. Same reason we "hate" Tim Thomas.

...but I respect those guys. They didn't do anything particularly wrong except play their hearts out for their team. Can't blame 'em.

I guarantee you Canucks fans would embrace Buttfugly if he got traded here.

Messier was a slap in the face because he took Linden's captaincy and was generally a douche.

[invader]

i'm actually rather surprised salo survived the playoffs relatively unscathed. pretty dang good for glass man!

He was playing injured.
I'm surprised he wants to come back for another year. I'm hoping its something like 1 year $1M

[spoon.ek9]

He was playing injured.
I'm surprised he wants to come back for another year. I'm hoping its something like 1 year $1M

i know he was injured but he looked to be one of the more healthier ones during the final compared to others.



side note: what do you guys think about letting schnieder battle it out with luongo for the starter position? ie, giving the starting position based on performance rather than reputation like what was done with the defenseman and forwards. i was just reading a province article that suggested this.

[dignatas]

He was playing injured.
I'm surprised he wants to come back for another year. I'm hoping its something like 1 year $1M

no way he would get 1 mill... way too less...

[b0unce. [?]]

He was playing injured.
I'm surprised he wants to come back for another year. I'm hoping its something like 1 year $1M

I would say about 2 mil roughly is fair. Maybe 2.5
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[Ch28]

Salo will come back @ around 3 mill or 2.5 mill max.

Everybody calling for Salo to sign for $1 mill is delusional.

[spoon.ek9]

i'd like to see him signed for $2 mil 1-2 years but $2.5 is more realistic.

[spideyv2]

i know he was injured but he looked to be one of the more healthier ones during the final compared to others.



side note: what do you guys think about letting schnieder battle it out with luongo for the starter position? ie, giving the starting position based on performance rather than reputation like what was done with the defenseman and forwards. i was just reading a province article that suggested this.

I wanna see this happen. Thomas lost his job to Rask in 09-10 and bounced back this year with an incredible season. I'm hoping we can see the same from Lu

[spoon.ek9]

i agree with most people that cory looks more stable and calm, but we have yet to see him tested against the best teams combined with a larger workload.

[Ronin]

Salo = $2m.

His injury history brings his market value down a lot. Some teams will be willing to pay him maybe his current salary but probably no more. He'll take $1m less to stay in Vancouver.

[DanHibiki]

^ I say 1.5mil MAX.

He's old and broken.

[Harvey Specter]

i agree with most people that cory looks more stable and calm, but we have yet to see him tested against the best teams combined with a larger workload.

Yup and how many games can Cory handle? I mean playing a few games here and there is different compared to say playing 50 games in a season. And remember Lu always has a slow start and sucks in Oct/Nov and starts to find his game in Dec so why not give Cory more games in the beginning and see how he handles it.

[trip]

salo at 1.75 is about right

[Domed]

cory can handle a larger workload he played 60 for the moose last season

[jeedee]

cory can handle a larger workload he played 60 for the moose last season

60 games in the AHL is nothing like 60 games in the NHL.

His point productions in the AHL haven't really blown me away either. I'd say give him a year or 2 in the minors and he'll be in the top 6.
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[mb_]

60 games in the AHL is nothing like 60 games in the NHL.

His point productions in the AHL haven't really blown me away either. I'd say give him a year or 2 in the minors and he'll be in the top 6.
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???????

I say Salo comes back at $2M and Juice at $4M. Hopefully Ehrhoff won't be making more than Hamhuis and I'll sleep happy.

[DanHibiki]

60 games in the AHL is nothing like 60 games in the NHL.

His point productions in the AHL haven't really blown me away either. I'd say give him a year or 2 in the minors and he'll be in the top 6.
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You do know he was talking about Cory Schneider and not Cody Hodgson right?

[DanHibiki]

???????

I say Salo comes back at $2M and Juice at $4M. Hopefully Ehrhoff won't be making more than Hamhuis and I'll sleep happy.

But both players said they would take paycuts so why pay Bieksa 4mil when we can prob get him for 3?

[Domed]

some goalies say the nhl is easier than the ahl because the defence is way better and are usually in the right position while the shots are faster and more accurate. if you play goalie the speed and accuracy of shots dont affect the game as much as having better dmen to help you out and make the right plays

[mb_]

But both players said they would take paycuts so why pay Bieksa 4mil when we can prob get him for 3?

Other teams would pay up to $5M for him (sup Toronto :troll: ) but if he signs for $3M, I'll be even happier :fullofwin:

Edit: He made $3.5M this season (@ $3.75M cap hit), he deserves a raise. I just hope he doesn't shit the bed like he did after he signed his current contract.

Edit 2: It's a BIG gamble but MG will probably keep Ballard UNLESS someone offers him something he can't refuse (2 1st round draft picks from TO?! :fullofwin: ). I don't know where we stand in terms of cap space but I wouldn't be surprised if he brings in a power forward to play with Kes (Laich or Ward????). Raymond is out for a while so I have no idea who will be on the other wing lol. Lapierre, Hansen, Torres will probably be re-signed. Higgins if the cap allows him to do so.

[Domed]

yeah if bieksa signs for 3mil that would be a steal but i dont think he will take less than what he made this season

[AzNightmare]

some goalies say the nhl is easier than the ahl because the defence is way better and are usually in the right position while the shots are faster and more accurate. if you play goalie the speed and accuracy of shots dont affect the game as much as having better dmen to help you out and make the right plays

I believe it was Cory Schneider that said exactly that himself during one of his interviews this season. lol


His point productions in the AHL haven't really blown me away either. I'd say give him a year or 2 in the minors and he'll be in the top 6.
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I guarantee any goalie that can get a hat trick will be top 6 for sure. :troll:

[iwantaskyline]

I'm hoping MG makes a move for Laad. Wouldn't mind him on the wing with Kes, even if they had problems in the past. He's an RFA for Winnipeg, Raymond + 2nd round pick should do it. I don't see him signing long term with them so they might as well trade him.

I'm hoping we ditch Bieksa and go for Pitkanen and resigning Hoff. Bieksa was great this year but I think it has way too much to do with Hamhuis.

[Ronin]

yeah if bieksa signs for 3mil that would be a steal but i dont think he will take less than what he made this season

He might be convinced to take the same he got this season as the cap hit and sign a very long contract. He's not getting any younger.

[spoon.ek9]

I'm hoping MG makes a move for Laad. Wouldn't mind him on the wing with Kes, even if they had problems in the past. He's an RFA for Winnipeg, Raymond + 2nd round pick should do it. I don't see him signing long term with them so they might as well trade him.

I'm hoping we ditch Bieksa and go for Pitkanen and resigning Hoff. Bieksa was great this year but I think it has way too much to do with Hamhuis.

this is true to some extent but breaking up the best pairing we had all year long is a pretty big gamble. among our UFA's, bieksa is a top priority to be re-signed.


BTW: what happened to our thank/fail buttons & stats? :(

[dlo]

Meh, I was thinking about its hamhuis that makes bieksa so good lol, but him wanting a raise, which obviously will happen is something i think gillis wouldnt gamble on..

and yeah, is rs chat gone too :'(

[krazynuck]

Lidstrom signed for 6.2 mil again

welcome for a 20th season...

[Gumby]

Lidstrom signed for 6.2 mil again

welcome for a 20th season...
I dunno about that amount... sure, Lidstrom is one of the best defenseman ever, but wouldn't you want to free up some cap space money to be spent elsewhere?

[b0unce. [?]]

lidstrom honestly has another good 2 years left him. he obviously doesn't play as well as he did in his earlier days in the late 90's/early 2000's, but hes definitely still one of the best currently. fuck he's too good. like on a shitty for lidstrom playing is like god mode for some other players. lidstrom is incredibly durable too.

[jeedee]

You do know he was talking about Cory Schneider and not Cody Hodgson right?


LOL :failed: , posted that on my phone and it looked like Cody

[krazynuck]

I dunno about that amount... sure, Lidstrom is one of the best defenseman ever, but wouldn't you want to free up some cap space money to be spent elsewhere?

considering no other team would pay that i don't think...

I would want to save money for draper or Eaves

If we are forced to trade schneider (which i am hoping we are not) i would not mind Osgood as a back up

[b0unce. [?]]

considering no other team would pay that i don't think...

I would want to save money for draper or Eaves

If we are forced to trade schneider (which i am hoping we are not) i would not mind Osgood as a back up

either lidstrom retires a red wing or he plays another year. he's not going anywhere, even if a team offered him 10mil. im certain of this.

as much as i love draper, i dont think i would want him on our team right now. iirc hes turning 41 or 42 (about the same age as lidstrom).

like i said before, im pretty sure schneids will be here for another year or two. mg has even stated that if schneids would want to say for 5-6 years as a backup, he would sign him. but he knows in the long haul hes going to be a starter for some lucky team.

[haha13]

lidstorm just signed with detroit for 1 year 6.2 mil

[murd0c]

I'm happy Lidstrom signed another year. He's a great player one of the best all around D ever and it's going to be a sad day when he retires.

[SkinnyPupp]

Yeah I want to see him retire after a hard fought loss to the Canucks in the Western Conference Finals, not losing to the chump ass San Jose Sharks :troll:

[shawn79]

im sure lidstrom COULD grind for another 8 yrs to surpass paul coffey for the all time pts by nhl d-men. He just need 423pts more lol...

[Ronin]

Lidstrom is a beast...one of the greatest defensemen in history. He can play at least two more years, I think. Last year he showed zero indication that he was too old to play this game.

He's like Chelios but has the top-end skill the match his conditioning.

...if you don't know what I'm talking about, Chelios was one of the fittest guys in the league despite being 147 years old.

[hotshot1]

^Yeah Lidstrom plays such a smart defensive game where he doesn't have to be physical; he's just always in the right position. He doesn't have the wear and tear of the usual dmen so that's probably why he's still performing at the age of 40/41.

Hopefully the Sedins, who also have a game that is based on positioning and skill (although they get mauled sometimes) have long careers like Lidstrom.

[Ronin]

No, the Sedins game is down low cycling while Lidstrom is quarterbacking from the point most of the time, high slot or top of the circle. He doesn't take nearly the abuse the Sedins do and he's clearly a better skater as well even though neither have elite speed.

The Sedins will continue to get mauled but the good news? They've gotten stronger every year they've played. Remember when a slight tap would knock the puck away? Now it's getting harder to knock them down. They're better on the puck every year and instead of the boys we drafted, they've become quite strong. I guess it's the Ohlund influence. Anyone that's ever met Ohlie will know that guy is fucking jacked and was easily the strongest Canuck when he was here.

[b0unce. [?]]

lidstrom is known for being the most durable dman in the nhl. he doesnt have to lay a big body check to do his job, he rather steal the puck and create a turnover instead.

[invader]

Ryan smyth wants back in Edmonton :/

[b0unce. [?]]

Ryan smyth wants back in Edmonton :/

he can go right ahead

[hypediss]

;7483550']he can go right ahead

exactly what im thinking

he can go there and rot in the oil plains for all that matter ^_^

[Expresso]

I dunno about that amount... sure, Lidstrom is one of the best defenseman ever, but wouldn't you want to free up some cap space money to be spent elsewhere?
I was pretty surprised about the amount too. You would think after 20 years it would not be about the money anymore, especially how this is going to be his last year. I thought he would help his team and sign like 3-4M max.

[hotshot1]

Yeah I guess that's where the agents step in. The only time I remember anyone taking a significant discount was when Kariya and Selanne signed for $1 million to play in Colorado. You'd think it would happen more often for the sake of winning but I guess since it's so hard to win, they'd rather get paid.

[hypediss]

so salty, everytime i head to a nhl related sports section i see the bruins and i feel really


really

really

bitter

http://www.gamertagpics.com/users/a/As/AshleySmashleyy/okay_meme_tf2_version_by_jaymewes-d2y3ud5.jpg

[DanHibiki]

Ryan smyth wants back in Edmonton :/

Do the Oilers even want him back?

[tonyzoomzoom]

Bieksa and Hoff said that they are will take a home discount to stay in Vancouver. That doesn't mean they are willing to take a paycut from their current salary. It's whatever the market will pay, less a bit. Given the higher salary cap, they will end up with something more than hamhuis but less than market.

As for Salo, $2.5m for one year seems to make sense to me.

[spideyv2]

Yeah I guess that's where the agents step in. The only time I remember anyone taking a significant discount was when Kariya and Selanne signed for $1 million to play in Colorado. You'd think it would happen more often for the sake of winning but I guess since it's so hard to win, they'd rather get paid.

damn, wasn't kariya offered $8+ mill from the Ducks?

[shawn79]

rockymountain sports doing kesler signing for $50 for jersey and $40 for photo, pucks, etc...

sedins will be $60each during preseason:D

[spideyv2]

wow..just watched the hockey 2 nite episode on tsn just now

They have Hodgson projected as a 3rd liner, they then talked about his 17 goals and 30 points in 52 games with the Moose and said 'Don't expect him to produce like that in the NHL level'

What happened to this kid being our next elite, blue chip centre man?
Or was that just idiot homers on CDC gassing him up?

I guess only time will tell

[RiceIntegraRS]

When he was drafted they tagged him to be Steven Stamkos without the footspeed. And i think everyone can see that his skating needs work. But right now hes only playing with 4th liners that are making him look bad. He hasnt been put in a position to shine just yet. Maybe in training camp put him with Shroeder and Shirokov and see wat he can do. Theres alot of talent on that line.

[JKam]

rockymountain sports doing kesler signing for $50 for jersey and $40 for photo, pucks, etc...

sedins will be $60each during preseason:D

when? where? what time?

[shawn79]

drop it off before sunday

[Vansterdam]

wow..just watched the hockey 2 nite episode on tsn just now

They have Hodgson projected as a 3rd liner, they then talked about his 17 goals and 30 points in 52 games with the Moose and said 'Don't expect him to produce like that in the NHL level'

What happened to this kid being our next elite, blue chip centre man?
Or was that just idiot homers on CDC gassing him up?

I guess only time will tell

prob from his injurys

[JKam]

drop it off before sunday

Where..? Do you have a link to this or inside scoop?? I don't see it on their website.

[Vansterdam]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/261540_10150218385543965_5921578964_7214890_413197 4_n.jpg

:fullofwin: :fullofwin: :fullofwin: :fullofwin:

[Watercloset]

TSN is discussing Luongo may possibly be on the move. While I highly doubt it, I also heard Florida is involved in this deal.

Laff.

[shawn79]

Move luongo and he will still be hungry for the cup

[Watercloset]

Move Luongo and we have a shot at signing Richards or possibly matching NJ for Parise if Parise sticks around in the RFA pool for long enough.

[AzNightmare]

Luongo can be moved??
I thought he couldn't in his contract.

[punkwax]

Luongo won't be moved.

/discussion
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[SkinnyPupp]

The only way Luongo moves is if Luongo wants to move. And if Luongo wants a cup, he won't want to move. Especially to fucking Florida of all places.

[spoon.ek9]

yeah, no. not going to happen.

[LSF22]

luongos wife lives in florida so if she wears the pants, he'll move

[spoon.ek9]

can you imagine (just for the sake of discussion) that it actually happens and cory doesn't pan out? that would be absolute disaster.

[LSF22]

more dumb riots

[UFO]

Move Luongo and we have a shot at signing Richards or possibly matching NJ for Parise if Parise sticks around in the RFA pool for long enough.

Parise's not going anywhere. NJ has filed for arbitration so teams won't be able to tender him any offer sheets if NJ can't get him signed before Jul 1. Even if NJ didn't file for arbitration, NJ gets to MATCH an offer from other teams, not the other way around

can you imagine (just for the sake of discussion) that it actually happens and cory doesn't pan out? that would be absolute disaster.

Sounds like the late 90's/early 2000's all over again. Goalie of the future? I'd hate to see Schneids follow in the footsteps of Keven Weekes. I'm reluctant to jump on the Schneider bandwagon just yet. He's got a cool/calm demeanor and is technically strong, but so was Alex Auld when he was backing up. All too often we've seen a young goalie play a strong 1st or 2nd season then just totally fizzle out after that. Good young goalies with potential need to be properly developed like any other position, and a big part of that is knowing your role as a backup and earning your way up to the big times. We'll see how Reimer handles next season in TO with such high expectations now in a high pressure market.

[tonyzoomzoom]

If i was gillis, I wouldn't willingly trade Lu, but if he truly wants to go, then i'd accomodate. No point in having someone who doesn't want to be here

[b0unce. [?]]

The only way Luongo moves is if Luongo wants to move. And if Luongo wants a cup, he won't want to move. Especially to fucking Florida of all places.

florida is hockey's graveyard.

[SkinnyPupp]

If i was gillis, I wouldn't willingly trade Lu, but if he truly wants to go, then i'd accomodate. No point in having someone who doesn't want to be here
Anything dealing with Luongo probably goes even over MG's head. The deal is probably made at the very top with Aquilini. That's why Lu can coach himself in the finals and why AV is forced to play him even after letting in 8 goals :rolleyes:

[punkwax]

SP - you saw AV pull Lu in game 6. He's still the coach. He asked Lu if he wanted out in game 4, but at that point, Lu felt the Canucks still had a chance. Lu was confident they could come back and in hindsight, it was a BIG mistake.

Lu doesn't run shit like you may think he does. That being said, he's as respected as anyone in that organization. His dedication and hard work has earned AV's trust in his instincts as an athlete. Hence him asking him if he wanted out.

As a guy who has played hockey most his life and seen a lot of goalies get shit on for little reason, thats the way I see it anyway.

[Harvey Specter]

Move Luongo and we have a shot at signing Richards or possibly matching NJ for Parise if Parise sticks around in the RFA pool for long enough.

TSN is a few days late.

Team1040 talked about this a day of the cup final game. Yes, Florida is reportedly interested but the reason why Florida is been thrown around is because they're the only team with enough cap space to sign him. I doubt Lu would even consider going back to Miami but what if Tampa shows interest, that could make things interesting because Lu's wife never liked Vancouver and spends most, if not all her time down in Florida.

[MR_BIGGS]

Do you guys think Tim Thomas would be affected if he played in a Canadian hockey market like Montreal, Vancouver or Toronto?

There is immense pressure on players that play in the Canadian market. Look what Carey Price went through. Granted these guys are professional hockey players, and in the case of Luongo, where he signed the deal for the big bucks to stay here and consume the pressure and spotlight, would a guy like Thomas, who doesn't seem to get phased faulter a bit because of playing in a Canadian city?

I think it takes a certain kind of personality to take the mental part of it. Look at Kipper in Calgary...he doesn't seem to get too phased when the pressure is on him to perform. I thought Price had the same mental toughness as Luongo until this season, where I think he really proved himself.

[spideyv2]

Luongo can't move. Doesn't he have a NTC for another 5-6 years, which doesn't allow him to move even if he wanted to?

[cressydrift]

Do you guys think Tim Thomas would be affected if he played in a Canadian hockey market like Montreal, Vancouver or Toronto?

There is immense pressure on players that play in the Canadian market. Look what Carey Price went through. Granted these guys are professional hockey players, and in the case of Luongo, where he signed the deal for the big bucks to stay here and consume the pressure and spotlight, would a guy like Thomas, who doesn't seem to get phased faulter a bit because of playing in a Canadian city?

I think it takes a certain kind of personality to take the mental part of it. Look at Kipper in Calgary...he doesn't seem to get too phased when the pressure is on him to perform. I thought Price had the same mental toughness as Luongo until this season, where I think he really proved himself.

No. You have pressure at any level, or in any city in pro sports. I mean really the players don't have to answer to many people. The same media guys are there every day and you can give the lamest answer's possible. Ok, say they are walking around plain jane out in the open. People are so star struck in Canada that they love you no matter what. No one would ever see Luongo and tell him he choked and sucked in Game 7 for the stanley cup ( :crybaby: ) because they would be so blown away that they just saw Luongo, and maybe after they finished tweeting/fb'ing that they just saw Luongo he would be gone anyway.

The pressure is from within your self and the team to perform. So markets in the US that suck, might even have more pressure to perform because winning results are needed. In Canada they are not. Just look at Toronto.

[cressydrift]

Luongo can't move. Doesn't he have a NTC for another 5-6 years, which doesn't allow him to move even if he wanted to?

The player himself can waive the NTC.

[Harvey Specter]

^
Yup, he can request a trade.

[spideyv2]

wtf, someone said on CDC that it was impossible for Lu to move for another 5-6 years, even if he requested a trade. They went on to say all NTC were different, such as Kaberle's. Toronto was able to move him because he was able to waive his NTC, unlike Lu's.

I dunno, being trapped somewhere for 6 years sound ridiculous..Especially if you were dying to leave

[Razor Ramon HG]

Luongo will never be traded.

[Harvey Specter]

So cup run after 2022? :alone:

[Watercloset]

I like to fantasize about impossible scenerios, like GMMG dumping Ballard and Samuelsson's contracts, picking up Laich and Richards, re-signing Bieksa, Lapierre and Hansen.

We can roll with

Sedins-Burrows
Laich-Kesler-Richards
Hansen-Malhotra-Raymond
Oreo-Lapierre-Plug

This time of the year is the perfect time for pipedreams.

But in reality the most likely scenario in this off-season:
Re-sign Bieksa, Hansen, Lapierre, and maybe Ehrhoff
It'll be quite uneventful, but might be the best thing to do.

[cressydrift]

We need this guy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nz09x1-Id_g

[Harvey Specter]

BTW, I know it's unlikely but can't the Canucks buyout Lu's contract?

[cressydrift]

I HATE BOSTON EVEN MORE NOW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr4G3Dt_3D8

[Sentinel]

Even if Lu waives his NTC, there would only be a handful of teams that can and/or be willing to take his huge contract. Its not for just 3yrs, its for another 11yrs. So in essence, it is pretty much impossible to trade him.

[spideyv2]

Luongo will never be traded.
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT71m1I1Gn9L63nVslESJyfJiRtV8qa_ P1Lp57fipzZvH2dHxTlGg&t=1

:troll:

[Watercloset]

BTW, I know it's unlikely but can't the Canucks buyout Lu's contract?

I believe his cap hit stays with us, so no point in doing that
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[Tapioca]

The talk about trading Luongo is ridiculous. What needs to happen is that during the exit interviews, MG and AV need to tell Luongo that he will be on a shorter leash next year and that if he struggles in the playoffs, AV won't hesitate to put Schneider in. Moreover, AV should be given greater freedom to play the "percentages" (i.e. if Luongo can't play in a certain building for whatever reason, he goes with Schneids and vice versa)

This is what I see happening with our D:
- Gillis lets Erhoff walk if he asks for more than $4 million/year. I believe that if given the confidence, Ballard can fill in for Erhoff (he's just got to focus on making the simple plays in our zone.) He's just as weak defensively, but he has scored 30+ points in this league. The other 20 points can be made up for by committee. Perhaps Edler can learn to hit the net in the off-season?
- Salo takes a 1 year deal for $2.25 million with perhaps a bonus for games played.
- Juice signs a long-term deal in the range of $4.25 million.
- Alberts is let go and Tanev takes the spot of 6/7.

[RiceIntegraRS]

We need this guy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nz09x1-Id_g

Funny how he plays for Boston too

[mb_]

BTW, I know it's unlikely but can't the Canucks buyout Lu's contract?

Ask Milbury how that worked out for him :fullofwin:

Whoever says Luongo will be moved needs to be slapped in the face.

[spideyv2]

The talk about trading Luongo is ridiculous. What needs to happen is that during the exit interviews, MG and AV need to tell Luongo that he will be on a shorter leash next year and that if he struggles in the playoffs, AV won't hesitate to put Schneider in. Moreover, AV should be given greater freedom to play the "percentages" (i.e. if Luongo can't play in a certain building for whatever reason, he goes with Schneids and vice versa)

This is what I see happening with our D:
- Gillis lets Erhoff walk if he asks for more than $4 million/year. I believe that if given the confidence, Ballard can fill in for Erhoff (he's just got to focus on making the simple plays in our zone.) He's just as weak defensively, but he has scored 30+ points in this league. The other 20 points can be made up for by committee. Perhaps Edler can learn to hit the net in the off-season?
- Salo takes a 1 year deal for $2.25 million with perhaps a bonus for games played.
- Juice signs a long-term deal in the range of $4.25 million.
- Alberts is let go and Tanev takes the spot of 6/7.

That's what should've happened this year. People can defend Luongo as much as they want, but he clearly doesn't play as well in the playoffs as he does during the regular season. The same could also be said for the team for the most part though

[spoon.ek9]

well, the difference was he played a lot better a home than he did away during the playoffs. all 4 shutouts came at home.

[Bonjour43MA]

well, the difference was he played a lot better a home than he did away during the playoffs. all 4 shutouts came at home.

...except for the most important game of his life... game 7 of the cup finals. Not entirely his fault but he certainly didn't hold his ground to give the team a chance to bank one in.

[spoon.ek9]

yup, i agree. i meant his performances at home prior to game 7.

[spideyv2]

Still hurts to think bout game 7. I didn't have a good feeling about it though.
Instead of game 7 against Hawks, Lu looked calm throughout the whole game..kinda had a different vibe

[hypediss]

i think it could be better next year - being with a new goalie coach you have to adapt or change the certain style that play

i remember watching the game how they commentated lu used to be more like thomas - always fighting for the puck and hence, became his shortcoming in the past playoffs

he changed a bit of that and it brought in more success

in the end everything has to mesh together to win, tim thomas didnt win it by himself, the d in front of him helped him alot also - made sure there's no second chance.


just my 0.02

[LUUUUUUUU]

Play Cory Schneider... Score lot of goals... :rolleyes:

[Harvey Specter]

Max back in Montreal...

http://25stanley.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/photo-39-580x433.jpg

I wonder if the Habs will try to sign him.

[RRxtar]

Ya if Lu coulda got a shutout in game 7, our beat up and broken team woulda totally won 0-0! Its all his fault!


All the people saying trade Lu and buy out his contract are out to lunch. Canucks aint getting the 2011 version of Tim Thomas, so being 'stuck' with a top 3 in the league goalie is pretty alright.


Ya, Lu had some really fuckin bad games in the playoffs, but he also had some really fuckin good ones.

In 25 games, Lu had 15 games where he let in 2 or less goals.
In 25 games, Thomas had 16 games where he let in 2 or less goals. 6 of those were against the Canucks.

In 25 games, Lu let in 4 or more goals (or was pulled) 6 times, with Vancouver not able to win any of them
In 25 games, Thomas allowed 4 or more goals 5 times, with Boston still managing to win 2 of them

Even with the absolute meltdowns, Lu still had a better save % than guys like Michael Leighton and Antti Niemi (the two 'hero's of the 2010 playoffs), Ilya Bryzgalov, Marc-Andre Fleury, Brian Boucher, Pekka Rinne, and Jonathan Quick just to name a few. And just a hair worse than Henrik Lundqvist and Ryan Miller.

[iwantaskyline]

BTW, I know it's unlikely but can't the Canucks buyout Lu's contract?

We'd have a cap hit of 3-4 mill from him for 20 year some odd years...

I've posted this before but he doesn't have a NMC so we could send him to the AHL. If he doesn't report then his contract is voided.

[LUUUUUUUU]

with the salary cap going up every year, luongo's contract ain't that bad... elite goalies signing this next few years will have way higher cap hits

[palepilsenpin0y]

People really need to give Lu more credit than he gets.

Instead he's treated as the easiest and biggest scapegoat in the entire Canucks team. Sure he had his moments where he played shitty due to his meltdowns. In fact, he was absolute garbage during those meltdowns.

But honestly, you really can't stress enough on how much Lu has contributed to this team. We were the #1 team in the NHL season, and made it to the Stanley Cup Finals largely because of him.

Yes this is all pretty much a repeat on what many of you have said, but I really needed to just vent that out. Count your blessings Canuck fans.

[mb_]

Max back in Montreal...

http://25stanley.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/photo-39-580x433.jpg

I wonder if the Habs will try to sign him.

Max is RFA

[jeedee]

I remember reading a post saying "Be careful what you wish for Canucks fans" - Flyers fan.

I would hands down have Lu as my goalie ANY day of week for my team instead of a goalie grave yard with inconsistent goalies every year. I don't blame Lu for our losses in the finals. It was just bad timing on the injuries we had.

Just look at Philly for an example. They have a stacked team with elite forwards and defencemen. If it wasn't for their inconsistent goaltending, IMO they would be repeat NHL champions.

Goaltending and defense wins championships, remember that.

[Mercy]

Get to game 7 of Stanley cup finals... Trade goalie.
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[spoon.ek9]

repeat? they lost to chicago in the final :p

[FerrariEnzo]

Man it should have ended in Game 6 if they put in Schneider... but nooooooo... Lus the #1 and HAS to be in net to win...


given how they played in the reg season, all the series in the playoffs should not have gone past 5 games... 6 games maybe but definitely not up to game 7.. just ridiculous for a team that does so well in the reg season.

[jeedee]

Man it should have ended in Game 6 if they put in Schneider... but nooooooo... Lus the #1 and HAS to be in net to win...


given how they played in the reg season, all the series in the playoffs should not have gone past 5 games... 6 games maybe but definitely not up to game 7.. just ridiculous for a team that does so well in the reg season.

No way would I have put Schneids in game 6. Lu came off of a shutout and he doesn't get the start? That would be a HUGE slap in the face for him [going into game 6]. We can sit here and say "we should've, we could've, we would've put Schneider in for game 6", but we didn't. Leave it at that.

It's a completely different game in the playoffs. Statistics don't mean shit. The underdog can upset the favorite any given day. Mind you, injuries caught up with the team late into the playoffs preventing them from performing the way they did compared to regular season.

[pure.life]

now we wouldn't want Lu to leave and be stuck with goalies like Cloutier, Brochu and Sabourin do we?

[Ronin]

I sort of agree that putting Schneider in net may have won the game but the long terms effects of doing so would be huge. It's just disrespectful to the guy that has brought you all this way...not to mention how the team would see it. It would show the lack of confidence the team had in Lu.

Either way, it would've never happened and it should never happen.

[AzNightmare]

I'm so annoyed by all the people that keep assuming Canucks would have won with Schneider in net. Remember, Canucks couldn't even score on Thomas...
Maybe that had something to do with not winning.

Maybe if Canucks PP didn't go 1/65 (or something ridiculous like that), they wouldn't have lost.
And don't even get me started on the people blaming the refs with stats like that.

[spideyv2]

Man it should have ended in Game 6 if they put in Schneider... but nooooooo... Lus the #1 and HAS to be in net to win...


given how they played in the reg season, all the series in the playoffs should not have gone past 5 games... 6 games maybe but definitely not up to game 7.. just ridiculous for a team that does so well in the reg season.

Get Shutout in Game 5 and then get benched for Game 6? lol
You should be our coach bro, I bet we'd be perennial Stanley Cup champs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[goo3]

Schneider will have his ups and downs. Every young goalie does and you see many examples. It's a lot different being a backup/noob where nobody knows how you play vs a starter where they have time to figure you out.

As for Luongo vs Thomas (by Kevin Woodley):


"[He's] very much a structured goaltender. Very much a rigid butterfly-style goaltender. When the Canucks are tight defensively and taking away second chances in the middle of the ice, he is among the best. But when there are breakdowns, the difference between him and the athletic and acrobatic Tim Thomas -- in terms of their ability to pick up those mistakes for their teammates with the big, timely, athletic diving saves -- is that you can't get a book on Thomas. With Luongo, when someone walks in alone there are two spots: High glove and five-hole. He's just so rigid in his structure that it's become easier for teams to target him and break him down."


Thomas is typically at his most aggressive off the rush. That sometimes creates backwards flow that leaves him off angle and causes some of the “soft” goals he gave up in the Eastern Conference final against Tampa Bay.

Like all goalies, there are good and bad with Thomas, strengths and weaknesses. The aggressiveness that serves him so well can be used against him without the right kind of help from his defense. It’s no different than Roberto Luongo getting ventilated because of his deeper positioning when the Canucks gave up the middle of the ice to the corner-picking Blackhawks in the first round.

Luongo didn’t change after that, but his team has done a better job since at shutting down the front of his net, including second chances the first two games of the final. Similarly, Thomas didn’t change dramatically after the first two games of this series.

Their differing styles are not always perfect, and won’t always work, but it’s also part of why they’re playing for the Stanley Cup.

He's got some weak parts of his game he can and needs to improve on because they really get exploited. Game 6 was a horrible game for him. I was disappointed AV didn't put Schneider in after 2 goals to give Boston a different look.

At the same time, the "blame Luongo" posts make some of you guys sound really dumb TBH. 15 wins.. selective memory.. time to finger point! Really? In 2011, I don't see any brick wall goalies anymore. Even as fans, meaningful analysis/criticism is productive. Knee-jerk blaming on this scale, I really believe, gets into their heads to some extent.

Want to learn more about goaltending? Try strapping on the pads. Or read Kevin Woodley www.ingoalmag.com

[goo3]

I sort of agree that putting Schneider in net may have won the game but the long terms effects of doing so would be huge. It's just disrespectful to the guy that has brought you all this way...not to mention how the team would see it. It would show the lack of confidence the team had in Lu.

Either way, it would've never happened and it should never happen.

When it came down to a best of three, I saw it as a short tourney like the Olympics. You go with whoever can get the job done. But hindsight is 20/20.

[DanHibiki]

Man it should have ended in Game 6 if they put in Schneider... but nooooooo... Lus the #1 and HAS to be in net to win...


given how they played in the reg season, all the series in the playoffs should not have gone past 5 games... 6 games maybe but definitely not up to game 7.. just ridiculous for a team that does so well in the reg season.

Wow I jus---wow.

[trip]

drop it off before sunday



anymore info???

[shawn79]

^ forgot the address ill update u guys tmr

Toronto worst city for pro sport HA-HA!
http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20110619/ESPN-Toronto-rankings-110619/20110619/?hub=TorontoNewHome

[Derek_N84]

Wow, mike Gillis sure gets a lot of tire pumping, considering the core of the team was put together by Burke and Nonis. Something Gillis never gives credit for btw.

Gillis has done a good job of filling gaps and basically not fucking up like a lot of GMs do. I don't thunk he's a "genius" though...

Patrick White for Erhoff. MG = Genius :fuckyea:

[FerrariEnzo]

No way would I have put Schneids in game 6. Lu came off of a shutout and he doesn't get the start?
he let in 12 goals in 2 games in boston.. isnt that a sign?? so what does he do in game 6 at boston...

[jeedee]

he let in 12 goals in 2 games in boston.. isnt that a sign?? so what does he do in game 6 at boston...

So what? He had 2 shutouts in 3 home games, isn't that a sign?

Thank god you're not the coach of the team...
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[DanHibiki]

he let in 12 goals in 2 games in boston.. isnt that a sign?? so what does he do in game 6 at boston...

I dun think any coach has put in their backup goalie in the Stanley Cup finals after their starter got a shut out the game before.

It would have been the boldest move ever made.

[will068]

I sort of agree that putting Schneider in net may have won the game but the long terms effects of doing so would be huge. It's just disrespectful to the guy that has brought you all this way...not to mention how the team would see it. It would show the lack of confidence the team had in Lu.

Either way, it would've never happened and it should never happen.

This.

If we had a 3-0 lead in the series like the CHI series, it would have made for a stronger case to put Corey on for Game 6 and have Lu back in Game 7. However, Lu just came out of a shutout.

The series reminded me of the Flames/Canucks series in 2004. We just got outworked, out-coached, and ran out of gas.

[FerrariEnzo]

So what? He had 2 shutouts in 3 home games, isn't that a sign?

Thank god you're not the coach of the team...
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some goalies just cant do good in certain arenas.. call me superstitious...

[7seven]

Looks like its only a matter of days till Jagr is back

Real_ESPNLeBrun Pierre LeBrun
Jagr's agent Petr Svoboda this morning tells me it's down to 3 teams: Pittsburgh, Detroit and one other NHL team he doesn't want to name.
53 minutes ago

Real_ESPNLeBrun Pierre LeBrun
``He’s really decided he wants to play in the NHL and he’s excited about it. He’s ready for the challenge,’’ Svoboda told ESPN.com.
53 minutes ago

Real_ESPNLeBrun Pierre LeBrun
Svoboda plans to meet with Jagr again later today. Decision should come within next few days
53 minutes ago

[FerrariEnzo]

CANUCKS should get Jagr!!

[Watercloset]

Doesn't seem like GMMG wants to move Ballard, as he openly stated.

If we end up re-signing all of Ehrhoff, Bieksa, Hansen and Lapierre, we will probably no room to acquire a 2nd liner to play alongside Kesler unless we trade, or just bring someone up from the farm.

I'm hoping AV pulls his head out of his arse and give Ballard proper ice time next season, pair him with Tanev, give him 1st/2nd unit PK and 2nd unit PP duties.

1st unit PK: Hamhuis-Ballard or 2nd unit PK: Ballard-Edler/Ehrhoff
2nd unit PP: Ballard-Bieksa/Tanev/Edler (if Samuelsson and Ehrhoff are on the point)

[Watercloset]

CANUCKS should get Jagr!!

We're not on his wishlist.

And it seems like he's leaning towards signing with Pittsburgh, if the Pens want him that is.

[spoon.ek9]

Doesn't seem like GMMG wants to move Ballard, as he openly stated.

If we end up re-signing all of Ehrhoff, Bieksa, Hansen and Lapierre, we will probably no room to acquire a 2nd liner to play alongside Kesler unless we trade, or just bring someone up from the farm.

I'm hoping AV pulls his head out of his arse and give Ballard proper ice time next season, pair him with Tanev, give him 1st/2nd unit PK and 2nd unit PP duties.

1st unit PK: Hamhuis-Ballard or 2nd unit PK: Ballard-Edler/Ehrhoff
2nd unit PP: Ballard-Bieksa/Tanev/Edler (if Samuelsson and Ehrhoff are on the point)


this better not be the case. we need someone who can compete at the NHL level to compliment kesler at his BEST; which is obviously right now. otherwise it's going to continue being a helicopter 2nd line.

[SkinnyPupp]

Crosby + Malkin + Jagr

scared

[7seven]

Crosby + Malkin + Jagr

scared

reminds me of the Lemieux/Jagr/Francis days.

I think Jagr in todays NHL can still be a solid top 6 player good for 60-70pts at least.

[jeedee]

We're not on his wishlist.

And it seems like he's leaning towards signing with Pittsburgh, if the Pens want him that is.

Just read on Twitter that Pens are looking only to offer Jagr, 1 mill.

I'd be more scared if Jagr played in the same conference as us...

Zetterberg - Datsyuk - Jagr

Yikes
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[skippynixx]

Fist person to go should be AV, out-coached in big games, does not adapt well, and well most importantly couldnt motivate his team in game seven for the Stanley Cup. Instead we catch him leaning against the glass chewing his gum.

[SkinnyPupp]

The only one who outcoached AV was Luongo, and we all know he's not going anywhere

[cressydrift]

Fist person to go should be AV, out-coached in big games, does not adapt well, and well most importantly couldnt motivate his team in game seven for the Stanley Cup. Instead we catch him leaning against the glass chewing his gum.

Out coached by Quinville the 2 years before and now out coached by Bill from king of the hill.

[AzNightmare]

I wonder what's the unnamed team on Jagr's list??

[skippynixx]

^king of the hill lol

[Gh0stRider]

The report indicates Jagr would also be interested in playing with the Detroit Red Wings, New York Rangers, Washington Capitals or Montreal Canadiens.

[RiceIntegraRS]

Even for 4mil id sign jagr. I dont see AV ever giving ballard a fair chance to play. Once your in the doghouse its hard to get out. Ask SOB, i loved the guy but didnt sit well with AV so he had to go. Ballard i think is np exception.
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[spoon.ek9]

Out coached by Quinville the 2 years before and now out coached by Bill from king of the hill.

bill dozer!

[skippynixx]

Isn't the Orca they're corporate logo? Which means it'd have to be on the uniform somehow whether it remain crested in the centre or as shoulder patches?
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It's no longer Orca Bay, they changed it to Canucks Sports and Entertainment in 2008

[Oleophobic]

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2011/06/20/toucher-richs-ask-a-bruins-pink-hat-handsome-ralph/

:lol

[DanHibiki]

What do we refer to the Orca, maroon, navy and silver jerseys?

Do we call them orca jerseys? Fi so, what do we call the current ones??

[b0unce. [?]]

The obnoxious Vancouver jersey.
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[skippynixx]

^that is a horrible jersey

[Greenstoner]

has winniepeg got a name yet ? i heard they are releasing it on tuesday, i might be wrong tho

[skippynixx]

fingers crossed for The Winnipeg Jets!

[quasi]

has winniepeg got a name yet ? i heard they are releasing it on tuesday, i might be wrong tho


http://www.yourwinnipegjets.com/2011/06/20/winnipeg-nhl-team-name-announcement-iminent-will-be-the-jets/

All of us fans of the Winnipeg Jets hockey history and tradition can finally breath today. We have been told, off the record, by multiple sources inside True North Sports and Entertainment and the NHL that a team name for Winnipeg’s new NHL franchise has been decided on, and that name is the Jets.

[shawn79]

For those of you want to get kesler autograph, drop it off at venubles where you guys picked up the jersey from.

[MR_BIGGS]

-Alex Auld
-Martin Brochu
-Sean Burke
-Dan Cloutier
-Bob Essensa
-Troy Gamble
-Johan Hedberg
-Corey Hirsch
-Arturs Irbe
-Jason LaBarbera
-Tyler Moss
-Maxime Ouellet
-Félix Potvin
-Andrew Raycroft
-Dany Sabourin
-Curtis Sanford
-Corey Schwab
-Petr Skudra
-Garth Snow
-Kevin Weekes
-Kay Whitmore

-Roberto Luongo (1 game away from winning the Stanley Cup)

There is a better chance of a good goalie getting hot in the playoffs than a mediocre goalie getting hot.

Other than Thomas, Rinne, Lundquist and Price there isn't anyone else I would take over Luongo. These quality goaltenders don't grow on damn trees. I'm pissed off about Luongo's mental game just as much as the next person, but look at the goalies the Canucks have had in the past....DO NOT WANT Philly's problem!

[shawn79]

price not close to luongo's level yet its the montreal canadiens defense making him look good just how they made halak look unstoppable.

thomas
rinne
lundqvist
broduer

are ranked ahead of luongo, canucks fans should be lucky they have top 5 goaltender and 2 art ross trophy winners on this team.

[AzNightmare]

http://winnipeg.nhl.com/

I assume they will change it to jets.nhl.com
very soon.

[punkwax]

-Alex Auld
-Martin Brochu
-Sean Burke
-Dan Cloutier
-Bob Essensa
-Troy Gamble
-Johan Hedberg
-Corey Hirsch
-Arturs Irbe
-Jason LaBarbera
-Tyler Moss
-Maxime Ouellet
-Félix Potvin
-Andrew Raycroft
-Dany Sabourin
-Curtis Sanford
-Corey Schwab
-Petr Skudra
-Garth Snow
-Kevin Weekes
-Kay Whitmore

-Roberto Luongo (1 game away from winning the Stanley Cup)

There is a better chance of a good goalie getting hot in the playoffs than a mediocre goalie getting hot.

Other than Thomas, Rinne, Lundquist and Price there isn't anyone else I would take over Luongo. These quality goaltenders don't grow on damn trees. I'm pissed off about Luongo's mental game just as much as the next person, but look at the goalies the Canucks have had in the past....DO NOT WANT Philly's problem!

You forgot Miller.

[Watercloset]

this better not be the case. we need someone who can compete at the NHL level to compliment kesler at his BEST; which is obviously right now. otherwise it's going to continue being a helicopter 2nd line.

That depends on what Gillis is looking for.

If he wants to retain both Ehrhoff and Bieksa, it'll be tougher to find Kesler a decent linemate unless he's willing to unload our prospects plus more.

If he only signs Bieksa on the other hand... We're wide open and can probably even sign Richards... Which I wouldn't mind because Richard can take his spot on the point on our PP, and we still got Ballard and Tanev, just need to find one more guy to fill our 6th spot.

[AzNightmare]

-Alex Auld
-Martin Brochu
-Sean Burke
-Dan Cloutier
-Bob Essensa
-Troy Gamble
-Johan Hedberg
-Corey Hirsch
-Arturs Irbe
-Jason LaBarbera
-Tyler Moss
-Maxime Ouellet
-Félix Potvin
-Andrew Raycroft
-Dany Sabourin
-Curtis Sanford
-Corey Schwab
-Petr Skudra
-Garth Snow
-Kevin Weekes
-Kay Whitmore

-Roberto Luongo (1 game away from winning the Stanley Cup)

There is a better chance of a good goalie getting hot in the playoffs than a mediocre goalie getting hot.

Other than Thomas, Rinne, Lundquist and Price there isn't anyone else I would take over Luongo. These quality goaltenders don't grow on damn trees. I'm pissed off about Luongo's mental game just as much as the next person, but look at the goalies the Canucks have had in the past....DO NOT WANT Philly's problem!

I noticed McLean wasn't thrown in that mix.
I was still new to hockey back in the day, so I'm not 100% sure about McLean's play.
But besides the one season he came 1 game away from winning the cup, was he really the elite goalie everyone in vancouver talks about,
or is that hype?

I just looked up his stats on wiki... seemed like he was a pretty good goalie in the early 90s (before I started watching hockey)

So just asking, Kirk McLean better than Luongo all time?

[RiceIntegraRS]

Thomas almost lost his starting job to Rask last season so i wouldnt say he consistent yet.
Nashvilles defensive style makes Rinne alot better than he is
Price=Eastern conference version of Nashville
Lundqvist is probably top 5 but never will be better than the 5th best goalie in the league
Miller is probably the only goalie i may take over Luongo.
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[AzNightmare]

At this point, I don't think taking any goalie over Luongo is a factor.
We have one of the top (maybe inconsistent) goalies in the league right now.
So we're really just debating on consistency rather than actual performance.

Luongo has the capability of playing like an elite goaltender, and any of those other
goalies mentioned can shit the bed just the same on a different night. And while people
can look at consistency on a gamely basis, people can also look at it in a bigger picture,
which goalie will be consistent over 5 years vs. a goalie that's good one year, and horrible the next.

[spideyv2]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOadLMD8who&feature=feedu

[skippynixx]

AV should have pulled Luongo after the 4th goal in the 8-1 Game 3,
Shades of Patrick Roy anyone?

[MR_BIGGS]

Oh ya definitely forgot Miller!

All I'm trying to say is that there just isn't that many elite goaltenders in the league. When Nonis built this team he stated he was building from the goal out. He got the Canucks a franchise goaltender and started his build from there. Gillis came in and basically just remixed Nonis' plan by replacing our D with more quicker puck moving dmen.

The Canucks play a very structured style. That bodes well for a positional goalie like Luongo. The Canucks have the ability to win close games vs good teams when they play this style. I hate to use injuries as in excuse, but the team we saw in games 1 and 2 weren't the same as the other games. Even game 5, I thought the Canucks weren't that great.

When they get away from playing this style, shit really hits the fan.

[DanHibiki]

AV should have pulled Luongo after the 4th goal in the 8-1 Game 3,
Shades of Patrick Roy anyone?

No. Complete opposite story. In Roy's case, he WANTED to be pulled but the coach kept him in anyways to humiliate him.

[pure.life]

In addition to a goalie consultant, Lu should also get a therapist/counsellor to help him calm down and stay mentally stable. It's all mental with him. If that's fixed, he's just as good as any other goalie

[shawn79]

http://winnipeg.nhl.com/

I assume they will change it to jets.nhl.com
very soon.

pretty sure the leaked photo i posted are the actual jersey

[skippynixx]

In addition to a goalie consultant, Lu should also get a therapist/counsellor to help him calm down and stay mentally stable. It's all mental with him. If that's fixed, he's just as good as any other goalie

I agree that it is all mental with him, now is keepin him in the net for 8 goals healthy? regardless on how much he wants to play?

Another example where AV failed.

I'd rather see Roberto sitting on the bench mad then be left in and have another team get in his head.

[b0unce. [?]]

Thomas almost lost his starting job to Rask last season so i wouldnt say he consistent yet.
Nashvilles defensive style makes Rinne alot better than he is
Price=Eastern conference version of Nashville
Lundqvist is probably top 5 but never will be better than the 5th best goalie in the league
Miller is probably the only goalie i may take over Luongo.
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ummm nashville's defence doesn't make rinne looks better than he is. rinne is legitimately that good.
and imo, lundquist is still top 3 in my books. he's just on a shitty team.

[Ronin]

I noticed McLean wasn't thrown in that mix.
I was still new to hockey back in the day, so I'm not 100% sure about McLean's play.
But besides the one season he came 1 game away from winning the cup, was he really the elite goalie everyone in vancouver talks about,
or is that hype?

I just looked up his stats on wiki... seemed like he was a pretty good goalie in the early 90s (before I started watching hockey)

So just asking, Kirk McLean better than Luongo all time?

McLean had a mediocre season in '94 (sub-0.500, I believe) but was fucking ridiculous in the playoffs.

He had a Vezina nomination early but was never an amazing goaltender. But then again, the Canucks weren't a very good team at the time...they just played beyond their pay grade.

[Tim Budong]

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ljc5lo2XOI1qib4uqo1_400.jpg
Guess Who

and this
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lj75dhWqkH1qib4uqo1_400.jpg
http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lj5oxehw1y1qib4uqo1_500.jpg
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lj7kjkrAQ81qib4uqo1_400.jpg

and this is why Toronto is FUCKED with this kid...

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ljavbucRr21qib4uqo1_500.jpg

EAST SIDEEE

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lj1mzpk3581qib4uqo1_500.jpg

[Ronin]

Third kid looks like Juice.

Kid touching the Cup is Kadri?

[mb_]

^Last one looks like Milan

[LUUUUUUUU]

y r they fucked with kadri?

[MR_BIGGS]

Because he touched the cup.

It's considered bad luck to touch the cup before you've won it. Same goes with the NBA trophy I think.

[d1]

Burrows, Hodgson, Bieksa

[haha13]

yeah last one definitley looks like milan and his nose. didnt he play in hastings?

[MR_BIGGS]

Who are these young lads?

6696

6697

The rest can be found here:

http://hockeyplayersaskids.tumblr.com/

[tonyzoomzoom]

jerome and luigi

[b0unce. [?]]

jarome looks like he's from the jackson5

and guess who this is! haha

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lj1ln9pT7l1qib4uqo1_400.jpg
http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lj73wdTz7e1qib4uqo1_400.jpg
couture looks like he's ready to fuck someone up

[tonyzoomzoom]

the first one looks like willie; the second one looks like he's constipated :D

[shawn79]

wow iginla seems like he never aged

[minoru_tanaka]

So just asking, Kirk McLean better than Luongo all time?

So far I say yes by far. More heart, more clutch. If you compare their to runs to the finals well McLean didn't get embarrassed like Luongo. But I guess you can say that for the whole team. In 94 the nucks fought. They finished teams
off. If I counted right,

chance to eliminate other team 94 team 3 - 1 , 2011 team 4 - 7
facing elimination 94 team 5 - 1 , 2011 team 0 - 1

94 the canucks forced game 7 from being down 3 - 1, twice.
2011 the hawks forced game 7 from being down 3 - 1

Goals, Henrik = 3, Daniel = 9, Kesler = 7 for a total of 19
Bure had 16 himself and he scored that Game 7 2OT goal
Linden scored 12 and our only 2 goals in Game 7 of the finals. I think the kids these days would say he "lead the team like a boss". Kirk stopped 54 shots against the Rangers in game 1, stopped the Flames for 3 OTs in a row.
Maybe cause I was a kid when I watch all this but he's on youtube. here's one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEgrFCIJPvo
Note he stays on his feet

I wished that team won. McLean was heroic. The team was heroic.