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spoon.ek9
03-10-2012, 07:24 PM
BEAST!!!! great play!

MG1
03-10-2012, 07:24 PM
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb75/89blkcivic/Canucks/beast00.jpg


Kesler is a Beast!!

Vale46Rossi
03-10-2012, 07:24 PM
Kesssss!!!
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TRDood
03-10-2012, 07:24 PM
Kessssss
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Bonka
03-10-2012, 07:24 PM
Sniper shot :fullofwin:
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cliffhanger33
03-10-2012, 07:25 PM
AMEXXXXXXXXXX

Kesler is back
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kwy
03-10-2012, 07:25 PM
http://s4.hubimg.com/u/3603243_f520.jpg

fliptuner
03-10-2012, 07:28 PM
Some good hits after the goal.

cliffhanger33
03-10-2012, 07:29 PM
Kassian and lappy have some great hits
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MG1
03-10-2012, 07:31 PM
Too bad for Price.......... friends and family disappointed. :troll:

fliptuner
03-10-2012, 07:32 PM
Bad reffing. Just allowing shit to escalate then giving out shitty penalties like the last one.

cliffhanger33
03-10-2012, 07:35 PM
Wow fuuuuuu
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MG1
03-10-2012, 07:35 PM
Damn, Boom Boom's grandson



and........ Howie Morenz's great grandson. A lot of history there.

Vansterdam
03-10-2012, 07:36 PM
:fuuuuu:

pure.life
03-10-2012, 07:43 PM
someone is gonna get hurt in the third period if the game opens up

spoon.ek9
03-10-2012, 07:53 PM
my "tv" died and won't come back to life :rukidding:

edit: nvm, refreshed like 10 times and it works again :fuckthatshit:

Vansterdam
03-10-2012, 07:54 PM
try the cbc feed?

cliffhanger33
03-10-2012, 07:57 PM
WTFFFFF HOW
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SkinnyPupp
03-10-2012, 07:57 PM
Lu :rukidding:

DsZ24
03-10-2012, 07:57 PM
wtf

MG1
03-10-2012, 07:57 PM
holey crap, luigi........

cliffhanger33
03-10-2012, 07:58 PM
Ugly goal
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MG1
03-10-2012, 07:59 PM
OK, Luigi, don't come unraveled. Fight it.......... stay focused.

Great68
03-10-2012, 08:02 PM
Such mediocre hockey from the Canucks lately.

mako
03-10-2012, 08:04 PM
craaaap

DsZ24
03-10-2012, 08:05 PM
fuuuuu

kwy
03-10-2012, 08:06 PM
motherfucker

cliffhanger33
03-10-2012, 08:06 PM
This is so bs
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TRDood
03-10-2012, 08:06 PM
Suban with purple drink :troll:
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spoon.ek9
03-10-2012, 08:07 PM
:rukidding: :rukidding: :rukidding: :rukidding:
:rukidding: :rukidding: :rukidding: :rukidding:
:rukidding: :rukidding: :rukidding: :rukidding:
:rukidding: :rukidding: :rukidding: :rukidding:

SkinnyPupp
03-10-2012, 08:07 PM
Such mediocre hockey from the Canucks lately.
They're doing this on purpose remember? "Nothing matters" right now, it has been said.

:pokerface:

MG1
03-10-2012, 08:09 PM
This is why letting in one shitty goal can fuck things up so much. When the bad guys score on a 5 on 3, it's totally understandable. Such a waste.

kwy
03-10-2012, 08:09 PM
C'mon..this is Montreal. Step it the fuck up.

spideyv2
03-10-2012, 08:09 PM
DW BROS! we're just saving ourselves for the playoffs!!
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Bonka
03-10-2012, 08:10 PM
So tired of seeing the other teams hanging around - this is what happens :seriously:
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Great68
03-10-2012, 08:11 PM
The shitty teams always seem to kill the canucks. I never fucking understand it.

MG1
03-10-2012, 08:12 PM
It's not over yet. Most dangerous lead in hockey is the two goal lead......... shut the door, for fuck's sake, Luigi.

xeryusx
03-10-2012, 08:14 PM
Canucks proving their record with shitty fucking teams. I hate when they let this happen. Fuck.
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seakrait
03-10-2012, 08:15 PM
Fuuuu

kwy
03-10-2012, 08:15 PM
:rukidding:

xeryusx
03-10-2012, 08:15 PM
What a fuckhole of a game. Fuck the habs.
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kwy
03-10-2012, 08:16 PM
Fuck this game.

TypeRNammer
03-10-2012, 08:16 PM
Canucks on a meltdown again...

Noir
03-10-2012, 08:16 PM
damn thats a couple softies

Great68
03-10-2012, 08:16 PM
Passes usually work better when they go to our own players.

MG1
03-10-2012, 08:17 PM
Well, that just about seals the deal. A disappointing loss on HNIC.

spideyv2
03-10-2012, 08:17 PM
Edlers D play :donotwant:
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MG1
03-10-2012, 08:19 PM
How the hell did Kesler get hurt on that play? Beast needs to drink more milk.

Great68
03-10-2012, 08:19 PM
We're not winning the cup this year.

There I said it.

xeryusx
03-10-2012, 08:19 PM
I really can't grasp it. I get that we're a lock for playoff, I even get that the Pres trophy isn't a goal anymore. But why? Why the fuck can't they get over on bottom fucking teams..
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SupraMan604
03-10-2012, 08:20 PM
LU is un-fuckin-reliable :rukidding:

spoon.ek9
03-10-2012, 08:24 PM
lol spinorama

cliffhanger33
03-10-2012, 08:27 PM
..... oh god why

losing to one of the shittiest teams in the league. f*k this game

TRDood
03-10-2012, 08:29 PM
http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/2808150_700b.jpg
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MG1
03-10-2012, 08:30 PM
We're not winning the cup this year.

There I said it.

If they play like this, they won't get past round one. This is total embarrassment.


If Luigi plays poorly during playoffs, MG, AV, et al better put Schneider in net.

Last year during the finals, they just couldn't bring themselves to do it. People who suggested putting Scneider in net for even one game were made fun of and berated. What are the chances of the Canucks making it to the finals for the second time in as many years?

Anyway, what's done is done. Just need to learn from it.

spoon.ek9
03-10-2012, 08:34 PM
terrible game to watch, just terrible T_T

Great68
03-10-2012, 08:35 PM
If they play like this, they won't get past round one. This is total embarrassment.


If Luigi plays poorly during playoffs, MG, AV, et al better put Schneider in net.

Last year during the finals, they just couldn't bring themselves to do it. People who suggested putting Scneider in net for even one game were made fun of and berated. What are the chances of the Canucks making it to the finals for the second time in as many years?

Anyway, what's done is done. Just need to learn from it.

I'll be happy if I'm proved wrong in a couple months.

Fail me to death if I'm wrong.

Right now I'm not seeing it.

Bonka
03-10-2012, 08:36 PM
Canucks' problems stem further than just their goalie. With the rest of the team shit bricking it lately, they just won't lose as bad with Schneider in goal. With all the touting of our depth they're essentially a 1-line team right now.

Amazing how things even out. The wins they managed to get in which they clearly didn't deserve are coming back in droves.

Also, quite sick of the stupid McDonalds, Subway and A&W commercials.
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spideyv2
03-10-2012, 08:37 PM
I bet if we were down 3 games to 0 in round 1, the excuse would be "they're saving themselves for the finals."
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JesseBlue
03-10-2012, 08:39 PM
the way the refereing goes is my biggest concern...it'll change the way a team plays...

sekin67835
03-10-2012, 08:44 PM
maybe they're tired. They've been performing horribly, but there is still more than 10 regular games. give them some time. Maybe they'll get hot right before the playoffs and they'll be in great shape.

Great68
03-10-2012, 08:45 PM
Jeedee. Such a fucking humper.

SkinnyPupp
03-10-2012, 08:47 PM
jeedee is stuck behind his reality distortion field still... He can't even reply now, just fail the clued in people

cliffhanger33
03-10-2012, 08:48 PM
Jeedee. Such a fucking humper.

to him, we arent allowed to show frustration towards the canucks

jeedee
03-10-2012, 08:54 PM
Canucks doing bad? SkinnyPupp shitting on them like no tomorrow. Canucks doing good? SkinnyPupp is nowhere to be seen.

They have 13 games to get their shit together before the playoffs. The playoffs haven't even started yet and a bunch of you are running around like a chicken with your heads cut off.

I'd rather have the Sedins slump now than later.

"Lose a few games/play a few shitty ones = OMG WE AINT WINNIN THE CUP"

:seriously:

jeedee
03-10-2012, 08:58 PM
to him, we arent allowed to show frustration towards the canucks

There's a difference between showing your frustration and just saying retarded shit like this:

we are playing like we dont care right now

agreed, we dont look play off ready

..... oh god why

losing to one of the shittiest teams in the league. f*k this game

cliffhanger33
03-10-2012, 09:00 PM
Canucks doing bad? SkinnyPupp shitting on them like no tomorrow. Canucks doing good? SkinnyPupp is nowhere to be seen.

They have 13 games to get their shit together before the playoffs. The playoffs haven't even started yet and a bunch of you are running around like a chicken with your heads cut off.

I'd rather have the Sedins slump now than later.

"Lose a few games/play a few shitty ones = OMG WE AINT WINNIN THE CUP"

:seriously:

how the hell are we running around like "a chicken with our heads cut off"???!??
:rukidding:
we had a shitty loss, and we are unhappy. are we not allowed to express that? Only one one person claimed "we wont win the cup" but most of us here are aware we can pull our shit together before play offs. Give it a rest, no need to fail everyone who expresses frustration towards the canucks.

RacingMetro92
03-10-2012, 09:01 PM
There's a difference between showing your frustration and just saying retarded shit like this:

Dude, this is a game we should have won. 2nd vs 27th in the league. I know a team can win on any given night, but this game was just really bad overall and the Canucks need to turn it up now to get momentum going towards the playoffs. Of course we're gonna show frustration because we all know they can do WAY better than this. They just shat the bed BADLY tonight.

iwantaskyline
03-10-2012, 09:01 PM
According to HNIC the cap is going to be at 70 mill next year. Parise? lol

Just something I am observing about the Sedin's slump. They look very much pre-lockout, cycle, cycle, cycle and more cycling then opposition clears puck. Basically lots of cycling but no clear cut chances. I hope this isn't because the refs are letting more and more get away.

Great68
03-10-2012, 09:03 PM
There's a difference between showing your frustration and just saying retarded shit like this:

I don't know how old you are,

I'm old enough to have been holding out a signs in '94 that said "Endangered species Bald Eagle: Mark Messier" on Robson.

That's how long I've been a Canucks fan.

I know when the team's playing like shit, and they have been for the last few months. FACE FUCKING REALITY

cliffhanger33
03-10-2012, 09:04 PM
There's a difference between showing your frustration and just saying retarded shit like this:

LOL im sorry pls tell me how those were retarded. :fulloffuck: Plese educate me on how to show frustration properly.

and nice for digging out all what i said, props to u for the effort:bigthumb:

Verdasco
03-10-2012, 09:07 PM
some mod please remove jeedee fail privileges ....

jeedee
03-10-2012, 09:11 PM
It just baffles me how negative some of you guys can be. It's not like the Canucks are on a 8 game losing streak or are barely making the playoffs.

Yes, they have been playing like poorly and have wins in games they weren't suppose to win, but a win is a win.

I've said this again and again, I would rather have the team/Sedins slumping NOW than later.

jeedee
03-10-2012, 09:12 PM
some mod please remove jeedee fail privileges ....

lol noob

Bonka
03-10-2012, 09:12 PM
The Canucks are set up to close out the regular season on a fairly ho-hum run with most games at home. Their roster is healthy so there is no excuse for the current slew of poor performances considering their best players are on the ice. Surely we can't expect them to ride the high without some lousy games here and there but not only are they losing games, they're getting far out played by the opposition with little push back on their end. They've rarely have been able to punch the gas and blow a team away, keeping the other side lingering around while hanging on to a 1-goal/tie. Would you want to dangle a piece of meat in front of an uncaged tiger constantly?

Special teams have taken a dump, constant defensive breakdowns and odd man rushes, Luongo has looked bored in net as of late, their best players have not been their best players, etc. These aren't just one or two issues at hand.

You can call any of us critical but we've only become critical because we've seen how good they can play. They're the ones who have set the standard and right now they're playing far below that. I personally can't fathom any team being able to turn on their switch just like that especially a team that has been playing this poorly. I certainly hope I am wrong if they can do that.

Everyone has their own way of calling out someone but the end message is all the same. The Canucks need to get their shit together.

SkinnyPupp
03-10-2012, 09:15 PM
For me, I have seen this a long time coming. They haven't been playing really well in quite a while. SO many of their wins came in OT or SO, which I was saying back then was a bad sign, but people kept telling me that "a win is a win" and "points are points" and "the regular season doesn't matter"

Well they were on the winning side of the fine line, and now they are below it.. This needed to be addressed a while ago, hopefully they can work it out, but I'm not sure if they have enough time.

At least they have enough points accumulated to make it into the playoffs near the top of the standings, let's just hope they can make something of it.

jeedee
03-10-2012, 09:24 PM
Great post Skinny. A positive one that I haven't seen in awhile ;)

It also makes me wonder why they tend to "struggle" against the weaker teams like Columbus, Carolina and Montreal.

I don't know if it's a motivational factor, but it's a good sign that they "show up" for the big games against the Detroit's, San Jose's, Chicago's etc.

Not really racist!
03-10-2012, 09:31 PM
Not surprised at this thread post-game

rofl.

Verdasco
03-10-2012, 09:44 PM
jeedee why the fuss? :fulloffuck: just calm down

jeedee
03-10-2012, 09:45 PM
jeedee why the fuss? :fulloffuck: just calm down

What?

People were getting riled up to the fails I gave them and I told them why...

noob

spideyv2
03-10-2012, 09:59 PM
What?

People were getting riled up to the fails I gave them and I told them why...

noob

I know people that know people who are people

/bradfordchow.jpg
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Mike Oxbig
03-10-2012, 10:29 PM
skinnypupp and jeedee has the best smart ass remarks on this forum but if you ask me i think jeedee > skinnypupp with that kinda shit :lol

pastarocket
03-10-2012, 10:53 PM
The team must get its act together and find its "A-game" soon. It does sound like that there is some mental fatigue among the players.

The captain welcomes two days off before the Phoenix game:

(http://canucks.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=621577&navid=DL|VAN|home)


The solution to the Canucks woes, according to coach Alain Vigneault, is giving the team two full days away from the rink to re-energize, re-focus and re-dedicate themselves to Vancouver Canucks hockey.

That idea went over well with the players.

“It was a really tough February, we were away for a long time and this is a good chance for us to get away and re-focus a little bit during some time off and be ready,” explained Henrik Sedin, now without a point in eight straight games, one off his career low of nine.

Good teams build momentum and finish the season on a winning note before the playoffs.


The guys better play a much better game against Phoenix after the two days off. If they don't, coach AV has to get the team to work hard to correct mistakes and improve their game. Every guy in the dressing room is held accountable for the team's poor play.

I'm also expecting Henrik to lead by example and play much better against the Coyotes. Come on Captain!

kristianhay
03-10-2012, 10:57 PM
Whatever the reason - may it be they are saving themselves for the playoffs, slumping just because, whatever - it doesn't matter from a fans perspective. Bottom line, the Canucks are playing like shit lately. It's not fun to watch, and not having the difference makers show up will obviously start to worry some people.

Jeff Paterson said it on the post-game show, but he said that he had previously not even thought about the Canucks having a first-round exit from the playoffs, but the zygote is now there. Not a prediction or an assumption, just a thought. I'm sure this goes for a lot of fans too.

These people are professional athletes and they want to win. They didn't get to this level by trying to save themselves for the bigger stage - these players want to win night in and night out. If you've ever played the sport at some kind of high level (even if it is a "high-level" relative to what you're used to) you know this intensity and desire to win will be there, regardless of if you're in 1st or 8th place.

As I've said before, it's not as easy as turning on a switch and suddenly playing the game better.

13 games left is not a lot and the playoffs are right around the corner. Here's hoping the boys can turn it around real quick here.

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/3671/screenshot20120310at115.png

Highlight of the night though, even though it wasn't the best tilt. Kids a beauty.

Canucks Vs Habs - Kassian Vs Staubitz - 03.10.12 - HD - YouTube

Lastly:

@FarhanLaljiTSN
If you think #nhl is being called differently: on pace for 212 fewer hooking calls, 109 less holds, 57 less trips, 49 less int - ESPN stats

PiuYi
03-11-2012, 12:08 AM
hmm, AV had a pretty harsh call out on edler post game (altho prbly warranted...)

Gh0stRider
03-11-2012, 01:11 AM
wtf at carey prices attire at post game. he was dressed as a cowboy lol

f.
03-11-2012, 01:40 AM
I'd rather have them slump now and not in the playoffs.. :megusta:

LsquareD
03-11-2012, 01:51 AM
or not slump at all ;)

TRDood
03-11-2012, 04:11 AM
I am sure I am not the only one who noticed this. Schneider in net = win. Luongo in net = lose.

But I like Schneider more so I am biased.

Other than that, as a team, everyone seems like out of sync. Where did all those first period goals go? Salo hasn't been the "Salo" after the Marchand clipping. AV not putting Weise or Bitz back in when MayRay is not producing anything. Just my amateur observations.
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falcon
03-11-2012, 04:40 AM
Great post Skinny. A positive one that I haven't seen in awhile ;)

It also makes me wonder why they tend to "struggle" against the weaker teams like Columbus, Carolina and Montreal.

I don't know if it's a motivational factor, but it's a good sign that they "show up" for the big games against the Detroit's, San Jose's, Chicago's etc.

They may be professionals, but it's the same at every level. Growing up playing volleyball it was the same. We were bouncing back and forth with one other team as the #1 ranked Sr. guys vball team in the Province but still sometimes had issues with the teams that were bad during regular season. It's all mental, you play down and play at their level. Then going to regionals, then provincials etc. and playing it was a totally different game. Everyone was there to win and it showed.

punkwax
03-11-2012, 08:41 AM
Canucks have been playing very poorly. Not just Luongo, but he has been far from stellar. At this point, I also have more faith in Schneids. Someone posted that the cap may go up to 70M. If thats the case, fuck Parise, keep Schneider as well. I think he'd take 3 - 4M for a few years knowing that Lu isnt staying here until his contract ends. I think everyone knows that.

I, like SkinnyPupp, haven't been comfortable with all the 1 goal games for months. We played that way for a couple seasons, get a 1 goal lead and defend... it doesn't work.

That being said, last season they dominated all season and ran out of gas when they needed it most. Fatigue also leads to injury. If you think they haven't learned from that and aren't trying to conserve some energy for playoffs you're wrong. And if you think you're cool by bringing it up every time the Canucks lose, you're just being ignorant. jayare604.jpg :troll:

Sedins are in a slump. For the first time in 8 years. Sure the timing is shitty, but it could be worse. They have time to pick it up before playoffs.

Anything can happen at the big show. Boston proved that last year. Canucks are a great team and we can be sure they'll show up in big games. They've done it all season.

TheKingdom2000
03-11-2012, 09:49 AM
I just want to make it out of the first round...

civicyvr
03-11-2012, 11:16 AM
Yeah, not comfortable with how they are playing now but still have faith. The ESPN stats about penalties definitely doesn't bode well for the 'skilled' teams.

I just want to make it out of the first round...

:seriously::fuckthatshit:

cressydrift
03-11-2012, 12:48 PM
jeedee is the new shawn79

rsx
03-11-2012, 12:59 PM
Don't know what all the fuss is about. It's all about playoff performance.

If I had my way, I'd call up a bunch of AHL'ers and give the big boys a break (kesler/sedins/burrows). They usually get all banged up when the post season starts, lets not forget, Henrik had an ankle issue right? Or Daniel?

jeedee
03-11-2012, 01:02 PM
Don't know what all the fuss is about. It's all about playoff performance.

That's what I've been saying for the past month...

jeedee
03-11-2012, 01:16 PM
Let's take a look at 4 cup contending teams in their last 10 games:

Vancouver's Last 10 Games
4-4-2

Boston's Last 10 Games
4-5-1

Detroit's Last 10 Games
4-5-1

New York Rangers Last 10 Games
4-4-2

Is it coincidence that these teams are all struggling together now knowing that they are going to make the playoffs? Sure, you can give Detroit a bit of a pass since they have been missing Datsyuk, Howard and Lidstrom.

But my point being is if you look at all the teams who are making a strong effort to either make the playoffs, or battle for positioning down the road, they're giving it their 110% every night compared to teams that have already made it.

Now CDC take a deep breath and just watch this team take form when it matters. It doesn't "matter" now, and it won't "matter" till later. We all learnt our lesson from last year. Have faith!!

Not really racist!
03-11-2012, 01:41 PM
inb4 half the people ITT, or even anybody, be like "see? told ya" as soon as the sedins have a game where they get on the scoreboard w/ 2+ pts each

:lol

kwy
03-11-2012, 02:19 PM
Let's take a look at 4 cup contending teams in their last 10 games:

Vancouver's Last 10 Games
4-4-2

Boston's Last 10 Games
4-5-1

Detroit's Last 10 Games
4-5-1

New York Rangers Last 10 Games
4-4-2

Is it coincidence that these teams are all struggling together now knowing that they are going to make the playoffs? Sure, you can give Detroit a bit of a pass since they have been missing Datsyuk, Howard and Lidstrom.

But my point being is if you look at all the teams who are making a strong effort to either make the playoffs, or battle for positioning down the road, they're giving it their 110% every night compared to teams that have already made it.

Now CDC take a deep breath and just watch this team take form when it matters. It doesn't "matter" now, and it won't "matter" till later. We all learnt our lesson from last year. Have faith!!

Best post itt in a while.

Obsideon
03-11-2012, 04:00 PM
Let's take a look at 4 cup contending teams in their last 10 games:

Vancouver's Last 10 Games
4-4-2

Boston's Last 10 Games
4-5-1

Detroit's Last 10 Games
4-5-1

New York Rangers Last 10 Games
4-4-2

Is it coincidence that these teams are all struggling together now knowing that they are going to make the playoffs? Sure, you can give Detroit a bit of a pass since they have been missing Datsyuk, Howard and Lidstrom.

But my point being is if you look at all the teams who are making a strong effort to either make the playoffs, or battle for positioning down the road, they're giving it their 110% every night compared to teams that have already made it.

Now CDC take a deep breath and just watch this team take form when it matters. It doesn't "matter" now, and it won't "matter" till later. We all learnt our lesson from last year. Have faith!!

That's great an' all ... but last I checked this was RS :troll:

jeedee
03-11-2012, 04:09 PM
It hasn't been a RS Canucks thread lately with all the CDC panicking going on :lol

Gh0stRider
03-11-2012, 04:57 PM
wow st louis keep on rolling. 8-2-0

pens 9-1

dallas 9-0-1

spideyv2
03-11-2012, 05:12 PM
Blue Jackets are retarded for firing Hitchcock
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PiuYi
03-11-2012, 05:13 PM
Let's take a look at 4 cup contending teams in their last 10 games:

Vancouver's Last 10 Games
4-4-2

Boston's Last 10 Games
4-5-1

Detroit's Last 10 Games
4-5-1

New York Rangers Last 10 Games
4-4-2

Is it coincidence that these teams are all struggling together now knowing that they are going to make the playoffs? Sure, you can give Detroit a bit of a pass since they have been missing Datsyuk, Howard and Lidstrom.

But my point being is if you look at all the teams who are making a strong effort to either make the playoffs, or battle for positioning down the road, they're giving it their 110% every night compared to teams that have already made it.

Now CDC take a deep breath and just watch this team take form when it matters. It doesn't "matter" now, and it won't "matter" till later. We all learnt our lesson from last year. Have faith!!


Detroit's isn't really fair considering their recent injuries

spideyv2
03-11-2012, 05:14 PM
Brad Ziemer @ BradZiemer
Henrik: "This might be the only sport where
rules change throughout the season depending
what game you are playing and if it's playoffs"
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iwantaskyline
03-11-2012, 07:44 PM
If San Jose doesn't make the playoffs, I am very interested to see what happens to their team this off season.

Mike Oxbig
03-11-2012, 08:44 PM
Quick rebuild discarding "no show joe" marleau Havlat and Niemi

Obsideon
03-11-2012, 08:52 PM
Blue Jackets are retarded for firing Hitchcock
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CBJ has been pretty retarded every year. It would suck to be a Columbus fan ... :alone:

murd0c
03-11-2012, 09:06 PM
CBJ has been pretty retarded every year. It would suck to be a Columbus fan ... :alone:

like there are actual CBJ fans around tho :fuckthatshit:

GrapeDrink
03-11-2012, 09:26 PM
Quick rebuild discarding "no show joe" marleau Havlat and Niemi

dude do you even watch the sharks? I cannot stand people that continue to use the no show joe label when hes been an absolute monster in the last 2 post seasons already, hes easily been the Sharks top player this season and Marleau as well, if it wasn't for them 2 we would have been long eliminated from the postseason race. Havlat and Niemi maybe they have both had a rocky season to say the least. The Sharks struggles have nothing to do with Thornton and Marleau, the top line has been the only bright spot as of late. It stems from the fact in the last 10 games we have had literally no production from lines 2-4, we got exposed for our lack of top 6 depth when Havlat went down, trying to fill the void with a bunch of AHL guys that had no business in the top 6. This was okay when Couture was playing lights out but since hes gone ice cold along with Clowe, we literally have no secondary scoring.

mickz
03-11-2012, 10:03 PM
dude do you even watch the sharks? I cannot stand people that continue to use the no show joe label when hes been an absolute monster in the last 2 post seasons already, hes easily been the Sharks top player this season and Marleau as well, if it wasn't for them 2 we would have been long eliminated from the postseason race. Havlat and Niemi maybe they have both had a rocky season to say the least. The Sharks struggles have nothing to do with Thornton and Marleau, the top line has been the only bright spot as of late. It stems from the fact in the last 10 games we have had literally no production from lines 2-4, we got exposed for our lack of top 6 depth when Havlat went down, trying to fill the void with a bunch of AHL guys that had no business in the top 6. This was okay when Couture was playing lights out but since hes gone ice cold along with Clowe, we literally have no secondary scoring.

As with any sports franchise, when a team isn't doing well people want to be able to point the finger and say "He's the main reason the team is doing poorly."

It's rare to see "fans" attribute a team's lack of success to the entire roster rather than singling out individuals who they expect to carry the dead weight of the other no-shows on the team.

trip
03-11-2012, 10:12 PM
the sharks have terrible goaltending right now, thats the problem

PornMaster
03-11-2012, 10:24 PM
So does the canucks
:troll:

kristianhay
03-11-2012, 11:12 PM
Let's take a look at 4 cup contending teams in their last 10 games:

Vancouver's Last 10 Games
4-4-2

Boston's Last 10 Games
4-5-1

Detroit's Last 10 Games
4-5-1

New York Rangers Last 10 Games
4-4-2

Is it coincidence that these teams are all struggling together now knowing that they are going to make the playoffs? Sure, you can give Detroit a bit of a pass since they have been missing Datsyuk, Howard and Lidstrom.

But my point being is if you look at all the teams who are making a strong effort to either make the playoffs, or battle for positioning down the road, they're giving it their 110% every night compared to teams that have already made it.

Now CDC take a deep breath and just watch this team take form when it matters. It doesn't "matter" now, and it won't "matter" till later. We all learnt our lesson from last year. Have faith!!

Is this you? Just curious. Shall We Compare? - Canucks Community (http://forum.canucks.com/topic/325177-shall-we-compare/page__view__findpost__p__10469278)

Anyways, it does make sense but obviously some people are still going to start worrying! Only natural haha.

jeedee
03-11-2012, 11:20 PM
Is this you? Just curious. Shall We Compare? - Canucks Community (http://forum.canucks.com/topic/325177-shall-we-compare/page__view__findpost__p__10469278)

Anyways, it does make sense but obviously some people are still going to start worrying! Only natural haha.

Yup and yup :lol

The Hype
03-11-2012, 11:29 PM
dude do you even watch the sharks? I cannot stand people that continue to use the no show joe label when hes been an absolute monster in the last 2 post seasons already, hes easily been the Sharks top player this season and Marleau as well, if it wasn't for them 2 we would have been long eliminated from the postseason race. Havlat and Niemi maybe they have both had a rocky season to say the least. The Sharks struggles have nothing to do with Thornton and Marleau, the top line has been the only bright spot as of late. It stems from the fact in the last 10 games we have had literally no production from lines 2-4, we got exposed for our lack of top 6 depth when Havlat went down, trying to fill the void with a bunch of AHL guys that had no business in the top 6. This was okay when Couture was playing lights out but since hes gone ice cold along with Clowe, we literally have no secondary scoring.

You know what's funny, if I substituted the names of Sharks players for Ducks players, we almost sound like identical teams. Although the Sharks didn't take November/December off.

PS: Your team blows

mickz
03-12-2012, 12:48 AM
the sharks have terrible goaltending right now, thats the problem

The Sharks have dropped 5 straight. 2 of those have been shutouts and the remaining being 1-2 goal games. It's not like they're getting blown out every night.

They've been getting a ton of shots on goal (4 of the last 5 games with 30+ shots) but can't convert on anything. You can have the best goaltending in the world but at the end of the day you win by scoring more goals than the opposition.

The whole team is playing poorly right now, you can't really pin it on a couple players.

spoon.ek9
03-12-2012, 06:51 AM
Brad Ziemer @ BradZiemer
Henrik: "This might be the only sport where
rules change throughout the season depending
what game you are playing and if it's playoffs"
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i talked about this last year during the playoffs. i sure as shit can't think of another sport that changes the rules without actual rule changes.

i really find it takes away from the integrity of the game because no one, including the players, knows wtf is going on.

punkwax
03-12-2012, 06:57 AM
Is this you? Just curious. Shall We Compare? - Canucks Community (http://forum.canucks.com/topic/325177-shall-we-compare/page__view__findpost__p__10469278)

Anyways, it does make sense but obviously some people are still going to start worrying! Only natural haha.

Argh. I clicked the link. I havent been on CDC for about 5 years.. its like a powerful vortex of suck.

UFO
03-12-2012, 12:48 PM
Is this you? Just curious. Shall We Compare? - Canucks Community (http://forum.canucks.com/topic/325177-shall-we-compare/page__view__findpost__p__10469278)

Anyways, it does make sense but obviously some people are still going to start worrying! Only natural haha.

I'm willing to hedge that there is a degree of energy saving going on. But there is some concern for worry:

Teams like St. Louis and Pittsburg who have the pieces and processes in place to make a deep run, also have huge momentum heading into the playoffs. They may run out of gas come the conference or cup finals, but that is irrelevant to the teams they beat who have been saving their energy since the all-star break in hopes to make a deep run.

Once you make the playoffs, literally ANY thing can happen. The first round is where some of the best hockey is played, and where some of the biggest upsets are found. The 4 contending teams saving energy, that energy is useless when you can't get out of the first round. With all the parity in the league these days, can an elite team who has saved energy beat a good team that is in the middle of using its energy and has the push of momentum and confidence behind them? That is a really tough call to make.

Mind you there are still a lot of games left, get on a 3 or 4 game win streak and all criticism is lost. Lose 3 or 4 straight heading into the playoffs, and you lose a lot of your confidence as a team.

Gh0stRider
03-12-2012, 01:17 PM
Paper work is being finalized that would see Alexander Radulov return to the NHL this season and the National Hockey League Players' Association said they would agree to bypass waivers for the Russian forward if he decides to return to the Nashville Predators

Tapioca
03-12-2012, 01:34 PM
It's official: the Canucks will get knocked out of the first round because Tony Gallagher said so.

I'm turning my attention to the Whitecaps now because at least I don't have to deal with a bunch of Debbie-Downer armchair coaches and GMs on the intraweb. :troll:
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highfive
03-12-2012, 01:41 PM
Fuck Gallagher. The Canucks can be having the Stanley Cup parade and he would be bitching about how the game winning goal was weak or the defence bailed out Luongo in the finals. It puzzles me why he's still working with the province.

mb_
03-12-2012, 02:51 PM
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh251/TOUCHET19/dankhank-1.jpg

:lawl:

BlackZRoadster
03-12-2012, 04:14 PM
I always thought the lyrics are "motherfuckers wanna fine us"
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iwantaskyline
03-12-2012, 04:16 PM
It's official: the Canucks will get knocked out of the first round because Tony Gallagher said so.

I'm turning my attention to the Whitecaps now because at least I don't have to deal with a bunch of Debbie-Downer armchair coaches and GMs on the intraweb. :troll:
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Very small fanbase = small number of idiots. :troll:

UFO
03-12-2012, 05:04 PM
Everytime I feel a bit down, I watch this video and everything is just ok.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nhme_L-K_-U&feature=fvst

Hondaracer
03-12-2012, 05:34 PM
Don't see anyone complaining about not having grabner anymore when he's gone 25 games with 1 goal..
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highfive
03-12-2012, 05:49 PM
Don't see anyone complaining about not having grabner anymore when he's gone 25 games with 1 goal..
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Nope, but I do hear the Kopitarzzz once in a while.

Am I seeing something? Cody played a total of 11:07 minutes tonight??

jeedee
03-12-2012, 06:17 PM
Am I seeing something? Cody played a total of 11:07 minutes tonight??

Got demoted to 4th line :lol

Hondaracer
03-12-2012, 06:19 PM
0 points playing 21 minutes will do that

kristianhay
03-12-2012, 06:21 PM
Good read if you're bored.

Zack Kassian has been good at staring down the opposition. And just as good at staring at the ceiling.

While Kassian and Marc-Andre Gragnani have transitioned well from Buffalo to Vancouver, there have been miscues and missed assignments for Gragnani and even a bout, benching and a misconduct for Kassian. However, the newcomers haven't wilted under the intense glare of the local spotlight as much as many of their struggling teammates since being acquired at the NHL trade deadline.

Now if they could only sleep.

Kassian believes the lack of shut-eye has much to do with expectation while Gragnani contends his initial lack of sleep was the result of a three-hour time change and trying to get his body clock in sync. Two days away from the rink should have helped before returning to practice Tuesday, unless you're Kassian. Think about it. Before the winger's first shift as a Canuck, there was debate about what whether the budding power forward would eventually evolve into a Milan Lucic or a Steve Bernier. And there was considerable debate whether the Canucks got enough in return by jettisoning Cody Hodgson.

"Oh yeah," chuckled Kassian. "I didn't sleep well. I'd stare at the ceiling for a while, look at my phone and the Internet and just kind of relax and slowly try to get to sleep. When it's midnight, it's 3 a.m. back home and not too many people I can talk to. Throughout the day it's good."

There's lots to talk about. Looking comfortable on shifts with Henrik and Daniel Sedin in his Phoenix debut. Four shots and four hits against St. Louis. A goal and an assist and seven hits against Buffalo. Second-line time and 14 minutes before a return to reality and seven to eight minutes on the fourth line. And also being pined by coach Alain Vigneault after a bad read on a Kyle Wellwood goal against Winnipeg.

"I didn't play much because I didn't play well — it's that simple," said Kassian. "He's a coach who plays you if you're going and it's a great way because if you're not going, you shouldn't be playing. That happens. I need to get going. Losing is not fun. We've got to rest our minds a bit and get away from the rink and come back and be ready to work."

If that isn't enough to keep him awake, Kassian also fought Brad Staubitz and drew a 10-minute misconduct against Montreal on Saturday. No wonder sleep has been at a premium. Somebody call the sleep doctor.

"For the most part, it doesn't have anything to do with the time change," added the 21-year-old Kassian. "It was just changing cities and getting traded to a great team — there's a lot on your mind. I'm slowly starting to sleep better, so that's good. It's the excitement of being here and in a new city. When you get traded to a contending team, it's kind of a dream come true.

"Who doesn't want to get traded to a Canadian team that has a push for a Stanley Cup? It's pretty surreal and you've got to snap into reality pretty quick. When you think about it, it's pretty exciting and I've got to get back on track here."

At his best, Kassian might be a third-line fit by the postseason. He skates well enough, is hard on the forecheck and has pretty good hands — whether handling the puck or handling himself in that fight with Staubitz.

"He was running around a bit, so when people take liberties with your teammates, you can't sit and watch," said the 6-foot-3, 214 pound winger. "If it happens, it happens. I'm not going to go looking for it and I don't want to be just a tough guy, but when that stuff comes along you've got to answer the bell. I want to be physical, move my feet and protect pucks and get them in deep."

If Kassian does that consistently, he'll sleep well. If not, then the Canucks' bottom-six mix for the postseason could become as confusing as the Sedins' combining for just one assist the last eight games and the club having just two wins in the last seven outings and managing only 14 goals. Kassian seems far removed from being suspended three times in the OHL — once for 20 games for a hit to the head — and charged with assault in a bar fight on May 30, 2010 in his native Windsor before the charge dropped.

"You want to show your teammates and the coaching staff that you're ready to play and that it was the right trade," summed up Kassian. "All that stuff is going through your head."

For Gragnani, a new system hasn't been as trying as trying to adjust to the Pacific time zone. He turned 25 on Sunday and will turn heads if his puck-moving decisions are as good as his stride. Being better rested should help the Montreal native who's pointless in five games as a Canuck with just two shots and a minus-1 rating.

"With the time change, I was over-sleeping and I'm fine now," said Gragnani. "But for the first week, it was hard for my naps and even at night but the rest was really easy for me. We play a good style for me. We skate and move the puck really well and that suits my game. I didn't have any trouble adjusting at all."

Canucks newbies still losing sleep under weight of expectations (http://www.theprovince.com/sports/Canucks+newbies+still+losing+sleep+under+weight+ex pectations/6290601/story.html#ixzz1oxYFT2E5)

DanHibiki
03-12-2012, 06:22 PM
He's just having trouble adjusting to a new team. I'm sure he will tear it up next year.
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cliffhanger33
03-12-2012, 07:47 PM
LOL Weise looks like he has a monobrow

CanucksTV: CFKF Telethon Blooper Video - NHL VideoCenter - Vancouver Canucks (http://video.canucks.nhl.com/videocenter/console?hdpid=6&id=162638&intcmpid=van-news-blooper-v)

Ronin
03-12-2012, 10:39 PM
Weise looks like Michael Rapaport.

He hits on anything that has a semi-hot profile picture on Twitter.

spoon.ek9
03-13-2012, 09:17 AM
LOL Weise looks like he has a monobrow

CanucksTV: CFKF Telethon Blooper Video - NHL VideoCenter - Vancouver Canucks (http://video.canucks.nhl.com/videocenter/console?hdpid=6&id=162638&intcmpid=van-news-blooper-v)

lappy seems like such a goofy guy :lol

UFO
03-13-2012, 09:33 AM
So Pittsburg has been on a tear lately, and Sid is coming back on Thursday. Everything I've read thus far is saying he is a monster itching to come back. Unless he gets knocked again out before the playoffs, I give the Pens the nod to get out of the East.

And Radulov coming back for Preds as well. Team with a very solid back end and goaltending, just got their best player outside of the NHL back.

This is going to be an exciting year for playoffs. Let's just skip the last 13 games of the regular season and jump right in, we all know the Canucks would be all up on that :)

JKam
03-13-2012, 09:42 AM
If I was Nashville I'd be pissed. I don't know exactly why Radulov left but he wants to come back now after they're going to make a serious playoff push?

What a bitch. Man up and make the team elite instead of joining after it's elite.

Tim Budong
03-13-2012, 09:58 AM
Dan Bylsma said recently he has the best and worst situation in the world
Best is that the best player in the game is coming back,
worst is how to fit him on a squad thats already rolling

Lucky bastard LOL

as for Radulov, he owes NSH one more year. Some will argue that he shouldnt be allowed to play, but because of loopholes in the CBA. NSH suspended a player that still holds a roster spot for this to happen. He makes NSH a legitimate threat.

Radulov held out NSH to go for the money in the KHL. The KHL needed a Russian superstar and they found it in Radulov. Arguably one of the best NOT playing in the NHL.

Im sure Radulov would make the team from the beginning of the year if he wanted to. the guy is a beast

Im curious if he would be allowed to wear his HULK GLOVES

UFO
03-13-2012, 10:00 AM
Apparently Radulov and the locker room leaders from a couple years ago did not get along all that well. That and the KHL dangled lots of money in front of him, much more than his entry level contract.

If I was Nashville, I would be hesitant to re-sign him this offseason given his track record of not honouring contracts. I would be pissed that he is 'honouring' the last year of his entry level contract by playing a dozen regular season games and whatever playoff games. But I would be ecstatic at getting talent like this for the playoff run so long as it doesn't mess around with your dressing room chemistry.

If the Preds wanted to send a message to this kid, they'd bring him back and have him watch the remaining games and playoffs from the pressbox. But they will want him in the lineup for obvious reasons.

BlackZRoadster
03-13-2012, 10:01 AM
If I was Nashville I'd be pissed. I don't know exactly why Radulov left but he wants to come back now after they're going to make a serious playoff push?

What a bitch. Man up and make the team elite instead of joining after it's elite.

it would maybe fuck up team chemistry in the locker room..

It would be a nice addition , but does he really deserve to play in the playoffs when he hasn't done anything.

JKam
03-13-2012, 10:09 AM
If the Preds wanted to send a message to this kid, they'd bring him back and have him watch the remaining games and playoffs from the pressbox. But they will want him in the lineup for obvious reasons.

If they did that, Nashville would lose Radulov forever. I'm hoping for Nashville's sake that Radulov isn't a primadonna who expects first line minutes immediately and plays like a one man show.

If he comes back. lol

UFO
03-13-2012, 10:15 AM
^meh, like I mentioned, if I was the Pred's, I'd be hesitant on keeping him after this season anyways. It's widely accepted that they can't afford to keep Weber, Suter, and Rinne. Now they have to throw Radulov into the mix too. Trade away his RFA rights to the Leafs or something, let them deal with his problems.

highfive
03-13-2012, 10:49 AM
WTF?

Morning Practice Lines.

Sedins Raymond

Burrows with Pahlsson and Hansen.

WTF #2

Edler - Bieksa
Hamhuis - Tanev
Gragnani - Salo

b0unce. [?]
03-13-2012, 10:51 AM
none of those lines work wtf
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7seven
03-13-2012, 10:51 AM
^meh, like I mentioned, if I was the Pred's, I'd be hesitant on keeping him after this season anyways. It's widely accepted that they can't afford to keep Weber, Suter, and Rinne. Now they have to throw Radulov into the mix too. Trade away his RFA rights to the Leafs or something, let them deal with his problems.

Actually Bill Daly confirmed that it appears the cap will go up to $69 mil or $74 mil next season, so Nashville will have no problems signing them all assuming the players want to stay. Their new ownership group has also lifted any internal budgets and ok'd spending to whatever the cap is.

highfive
03-13-2012, 10:54 AM
I guess it's like AV message to the Twins. Start scoring or you're playing with Raymond.

Gh0stRider
03-13-2012, 11:04 AM
crosby back thursday woohoo

TRDood
03-13-2012, 11:22 AM
I guess it's like AV message to the Twins. Start scoring or you're playing with Raymond.

New 4th liners? :joy:

spoon.ek9
03-13-2012, 11:29 AM
I guess it's like AV message to the Twins. Start scoring or you're playing with Raymond.

First mayray joke I've laughed at lol. Imma thank you when I get home :lol
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Gh0stRider
03-13-2012, 11:45 AM
@VanCanucks: AV: Luongo will start vs. Coyotes.

Tim Budong
03-13-2012, 11:50 AM
whatever the case maybe, no one will take Radulov unless he honors his last year of contract, then NSH can actually trade him. If he proves to be a threat, NSH has a bright future ahead of them.

pure.life
03-13-2012, 12:29 PM
Great read on Schneider's current contract and his RFA status next year
http://canucksarmy.com/2012/3/13/a-complete-guide-to-cory-schneiders-impending-restricted-free-agency


The Complete Guide to Cory Schneider's Upcoming Restricted Free Agency
Stud goaltender Cory Schneider is having another standout campaign backing up Roberto Luongo in Vancouver. This season, Schneider has appeared in 26 games, he's sporting the third best save percentage of any NHL goalie with more than 20 starts, and in terms of his quality-start percentage: he's been more reliable between the pipes than Luongo. Schneider is young, he's smart, he's articulate, and his goaltending mechanics are impeccable. At this point, it's not a stretch to list Cory Schneider among the league's best young goaltenders, and with his contract expiring this summer the notion of adding Schneider to the roster has opposing teams and fan-bases salivating.

Take Tyler Dellow and Jonathan Willis, two of the smartest Oilers fans out there, who have actively fantasized about the Oilers signing Cory Schneider to an Offer Sheet. If you're a team that needs to address your starting goaltending, you're not going to do better than Cory Schneider this offseason. Yes, there's a chance that Cory Schneider could take up the starters mantle in the postseason for the Canucks; but with Roberto Luongo's immovable contract on the books through the return of Christ, it remains very likely that Schneider will begin next season wearing colours other than Canucks blue.

But how will that process unfold? Will any teams sign Cory Schneider to an offer-sheet? Will he be taken to arbitration? Will he be dealt at the draft? Read past the jump for your complete guide on Cory Schneider's impending restricted free agency.

Before we begin, I need to mention that in writing this blog-post I am deeply indebted to the guidance of BeantownCanuck. I'm reluctant to list him as a co-author (in case he hates the blog post) but that's how important his contributions were. Needless to say: I couldn't have navigated the CBA legalese without him.

The Draft and the Market

Most observers expect that Cory Schneider will be dealt at this year's NHL entry draft which takes place on June 22nd and 23rd in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Generally speaking, teams are flush with cap-space at the draft and are looking to build their roster long-term. For teams looking to address a need in net, Cory Schneider will be the most coveted asset.

Mike Gillis isn't a stranger to making draft day deals. In 2010 he completed probably his worst trade as General Manager of the Canucks, when he acquired Keith Ballard and Victor Oreskovich from Florida while sending a conditional first round pick (Quinton Howdon), Michael Grabner and Steve Bernier to the Panthers. That deal is among the few blemishes on Gillis' record as Canucks GM (I'd also include the Luongo contract, and the Mathieu Schneider experiment), so he'll look to do better this time around.

Realistically, there are five major teams that meet the criteria of being a) desperately in need of addressing their goaltending situation long-term and b) a team that the Canucks would likely trade with. Those five teams are the Toronto Maple Leafs, the Tampa Bay Lightning, the New York Islanders, the Columbus Bluejackets and the New Jersey Devils. The Bluejackets are in the West but will need more than a goaltender to seriously trouble the Canucks, and they'll likely be in a different conference soon enough as a result of realignment. I'd put three other teams (Winnipeg, Washington and Phoenix) as possible long-shots who could conceivably make a bid.

The Canucks will likely be looking for some combination of a high first round pick, and a young roster player (preferably a right-side Defenseman). Gillis will hold an auction of sorts, and almost assuredly, he'll deal Cory Schneider (or in a less likely but still feasible scenario: Roberto Luongo) on the 22nd of June to the highest bidder.

Qualifying Offer

If the Canucks don't move Cory Schneider at the draft, they'll need to send him a qualifying offer by 5:00 PM EST on June 25th, per section 10.2 (a)(ii)(B) of the CBA. Assuming Gillis doesn't "pull a Tallon," the Canucks will absolutely do this. Because Cory Schneider's base salary (900,000 this season) is between 600,000 and 1 million dollars, his qualifying offer must include a 5% bump to his current salary, which means the value of the qualifying offer will be at least $945,000. Schneider will, of course, not accept the team's qualifying offer meaning he'll become a Restricted Free Agent at 12:00 AM EST, on July 1st.

The Window

This is the most interesting part of Schneider's RFA status. The Canucks will have a 24 hour window between 5:00 PM EST on July 5th and 5:00 PM EST on July 6th in which they can elect to take Cory Schneider to binding salary arbitration (see: Secs 12.1(b) and 12.4(b) of the 2005 CBA). If the Canucks exercise their right to take Schneider to arbitration, he is then forbidden from negotiating with any other teams according to section 10.2 (a)(i)(B) of the CBA, and he cannot be signed to an offer-sheet.

Here's the rub though, in the intervening five days between July 1st and July 5th - Cory Schneider will be a standard group two restricted free-agent and opposing General Managers will be free to negotiate with him and ink him to an offer-sheet, which, the Canucks would then have a week to match.

Worst Case Scenario: The Offer Sheet

Now, Cory Schneider being signed to an offer-sheet is the worst possible outcome for the Canucks for several reasons. First of all, matching any offer-sheet extended to Cory Schneider would be unappealing from a spending efficiency perspective. The Canucks already have Luongo's 5.33 million dollar cap-hit on the books and, frankly, spending 8-9 million dollars, (or well over 10% of next season's expected cap) on the club's goaltending tandem is totally unjustifiable.

Also, persuant to sections 10.3 (a) and 10.3 (b) of the CBA, once the Offer Sheet is signed, the Canucks would be unable to move Cory Schneider for one year from the day they matched the deal. In other words, they couldn't match a Cory Schneider Offer Sheet and then turn around and trade him for a dream package from Tampa Bay: they'd have to swallow the bitter pill for at least the entirety of the 2012-13 season. In too many ways, the Canucks would be handcuffed if Schneider was signed to an offer-sheet, and would be very unlikely to exercise their right to first refusal.

To make matters worse, any draft pick compensation coming back the Canucks way from a Cory Schneider Offer Sheet would be only moderately attractive. Here's how draft pick compensation for restricted free-agents worked last summer (these parameters are set by average salary, so we won't know what this summer's draft pick compensation numbers will look like yet):

$1,034,249 annual cap hit or less: No compensation

$1,034,249 — $1,567,043: Third-round pick

$1,567,043 — $3,134,088: Second-round pick

$3,134,088 — $4,701,131: First and third-round pick

$4,701,131 — $6,268,175: First, second and third-round pick

$6,268,175 — $7,835,219: Two first-round picks, a second and third

$7,835,219 and higher: Four first-round picks

Cory Schneider is a valuable trade chip, but with only fifty career starts under his belt and one career playoff start - how much is he worth as a restricted free-agent? Bearing in mind that an opposing general manager would need to make the offer "toxic" to discourage the Canucks from matching the deal, and we can expect that Schneider would garner an offer-sheet worth more than 3.13 million dollars. This means the Canucks would probably receive a first and a third round pick in 2013 if Schneider were to be poached by an offer-sheet. That's hardly the game-changing return the Canucks brain-trust has in mind for a blue-chip asset like Cory Schneider.

If a team signs Cory Schneider to an Offer Sheet, the Canucks would find their options severely limited. If Vancouver chooses not to match the deal, the return is pretty meagre. If the team does match the Offer Sheet, then they'll find themselves restricted in terms of their available cap-space, and in terms of what assets they're permitted to trade next season. While the team's resident capologist, Laurence Gilman, can probably navigate around these seemingly insurmountable restraints, a Cory Schneider offer-sheet remains a functional disaster scenario for the team.

Arbitration

Much of the material you'll find below is paraphrased from Dirk Hoag's handy-take on the arbitration process. Dirk Hoag's "On the Forecheck" blog covers the Nashville Predators, and is perhaps the gold-standard for team blogs. Follow Dirk on Twitter.

If, by some act of the god, Cory Schneider made it to July 5th without being signed to an Offer Sheet then the Canucks would surely exercise their right to take him to binding arbitration. Because it would be team elected arbitration, Schneider would have the right to decide between a one or two year award, and the young goaltender would surely choose a one year award since he's eager to be a full-time starter in the NHL (section 12.9 c). The Canucks would not have the right to "walk away" from the award (like the Blackhawks did with Antii Niemi) since they would have been the ones who requested the hearing (12.10 e).

In arbitration, both sides present evidence in support of their preferred salary figure. Admissible evidence includes statistics, history of durability, length of service to the team, the players "contributions" to the "success or failure" of the club in question, public appeal and the salary and success of comparable players (who also signed their deals as group 2 free-agents). Niemi's arbitration award, James Reimer and Corey Crawford are the most obvious comps.

Cory Schneider has a lot going for him: he's posted great numbers, he's had success at every level and he has oodles of charisma and public appeal. His durability would probably come under some fire during an arbitration hearing (remember when he left game six against Chicago because of cramps?), but I doubt that drawback would carry too much water. If Schneider ends up going to arbitration, his award will likely hinge on whether or not he gets a few starts (and performs well) in the postseason. If he does, then Schneider's side will easily win the "contributions" to the "success or failure" of the club argument. I'd expect Schneider to receive an award in excess of 2.5 million, and probably in the range of 2.8-3.25 million dollars in arbitration, but if took over the starters mantle and led the team on a deep playoff run, I could see him being awarded as much as $4 million.

Full Circle

Having gone through these scenarios, it becomes plain that the only appealing option for the Canucks is to trade a goaltender at the draft. In all likelihood, it will be Cory Schneider who gets dealt - he's younger, he doesn't have a contract to weigh down his value and he'll the net the team a considerably more valuable return than Roberto Luongo.

Is there a chance that Cory Schneider ends up taking Luongo's job in the postseason, and distinguishes himself to the extent that Gillis scrambles at the draft and spruces up a Roberto Luongo package with extra assets to incentivize the likes of Steve Yzerman to swallow Luu's contract? Sure, it's possible, but needless to say: it's a long-shot.

Either way, this much is crystal, sparkling clear: Mike Gillis is going to hold an auction and trade one of his goaltenders at the draft. We know this for sure because in the history of the current CBA, only one restricted free-agent has been signed to an offer-sheet in the five day window before that free agent's team could exercise their arbitration rights. That free-agent was David Backes, and the offer-sheet he signed (and that St. Louis matched) was offered to him by Canucks General Manager Mike Gillis. If there's an existing loop-hole in the CBA, you can bet that Mike Gillis has already exploited it, and the "little known five day window before arbitration" loop-hole is no exception.

Mike Gillis knows what the stakes are headed into this June's draft. He knows that he can make a good hockey trade and acquire valuable assets in exchange for Cory Schneider, and he also understands the risk that he assumes if he fails to move a goaltender in Pittsburgh. For the next three months, the Canucks boast the best goaltending tandem in the NHL, but we know that on June 22nd one of those goaltenders - probably the one named Cory Schneider - is going to be moved.

jeedee
03-13-2012, 12:47 PM
I hope the team shows up tomorrow. Got tickets to tomorrows game so I hope they show up :alone:

pastarocket
03-13-2012, 01:26 PM
WTF?

Morning Practice Lines.

Sedins Raymond

Burrows with Pahlsson and Hansen.

WTF #2

Edler - Bieksa
Hamhuis - Tanev
Gragnani - Salo

I had the same reaction to those lines when I heard the news. "OMG, WTF???"

A fan on Canucks discussion thread criticizing the coach's tactics.
Has AV gone cuckoo?

CDC thread post:

AV has lost his marbles

Sometimes it seems like he purposely does the OPPOSITE of what fans and hockey pundits think he should, just for spite.
Raymond with the Sedins and Burrows with Paulson and Hansen on the third line in practice today. Maybe AV is just trying to scare everyone including the team. If he actually believes Raymond either deserves the promotion or actually is a better fit than Burrows then he has officially lost his marbles.

I do agree that its a good time to experiment going into the playoffs. Try out different combinations just in case of injury or to give the other team a different look. Try Kassian on the first again, or Higgins. Split the Sedins. A lot of options out there but this is the one AV chooses? Put the softest, unstable, snake-bitten, confidence-shaken perimeter player and throw him on the top line. One that doesn't go to the net, or if he is forced to will not feel comfortable doing it. Raymond has dragged down every line he plays on. So happy they took him off the second line, Kesler's play immediately went up a notch.

I am getting sick of AV's "hunch" management style, along with his rose coloured glasses for certain players while others skate on thin ice where one mistake gets them in the doghouse and no player ever really ever leaves that wet dog smell behind even after they come out. Gillis knew Hodgson would never be accepted by AV no matter how well he did so he was another casualty.

edit: source 1040

Edited by kilgore, Today, 12:02 PM.

Tim Budong
03-13-2012, 01:38 PM
anything form the CDC is stupid
with that said. Lines begin a game, doesnt have to finish that way.

AzNightmare
03-13-2012, 01:44 PM
As stupid as CDC posts are, that last paragraph was pretty spot on about AV and Hodgson.

highfive
03-13-2012, 03:02 PM
I had the same reaction to those lines when I heard the news. "OMG, WTF???"

A fan on Canucks discussion thread criticizing the coach's tactics.
Has AV gone cuckoo?

CDC thread post:

AV has lost his marbles

Sometimes it seems like he purposely does the OPPOSITE of what fans and hockey pundits think he should, just for spite.
Raymond with the Sedins and Burrows with Paulson and Hansen on the third line in practice today. Maybe AV is just trying to scare everyone including the team. If he actually believes Raymond either deserves the promotion or actually is a better fit than Burrows then he has officially lost his marbles.

I do agree that its a good time to experiment going into the playoffs. Try out different combinations just in case of injury or to give the other team a different look. Try Kassian on the first again, or Higgins. Split the Sedins. A lot of options out there but this is the one AV chooses? Put the softest, unstable, snake-bitten, confidence-shaken perimeter player and throw him on the top line. One that doesn't go to the net, or if he is forced to will not feel comfortable doing it. Raymond has dragged down every line he plays on. So happy they took him off the second line, Kesler's play immediately went up a notch.

I am getting sick of AV's "hunch" management style, along with his rose coloured glasses for certain players while others skate on thin ice where one mistake gets them in the doghouse and no player ever really ever leaves that wet dog smell behind even after they come out. Gillis knew Hodgson would never be accepted by AV no matter how well he did so he was another casualty.

edit: source 1040

Edited by kilgore, Today, 12:02 PM.

I'm just surprised AV hasn't put ROME with the Sedins yet. lol

cliffhanger33
03-13-2012, 03:19 PM
Ex-oiler Steve MacIntyre currently playing for the AHL, probz one of the toughest guy in hockey. He goes ham in a game against the Springfield Falcons, literally beats up players in succession. Holy crap

Watch Steve MacIntyre of Wilkes-Barre/Scranton lose his marbles, attack Springfield goalie (VIDEO) | Puck Daddy - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/watch-steve-macintyre-wilkes-barre-scranton-lose-marbles-022631260.html)
Steve MacIntyre goes after the Falcons Mar 11, 2012 - YouTube

MacIntyre received a cross-checking minor, an elbowing major and a match penalty for Attempt To Injure, for a total of 17 penalty minutes. The Falcons were given eight minutes of power play time. And we were given such instant classic commentary as "Steve MacIntyre has gone crazy, folks."

b0unce. [?]
03-13-2012, 03:31 PM
i dont think the announcer said steve macintyre enough.

spoon.ek9
03-13-2012, 04:15 PM
heard on the radio Turco started tonight's game for Boston then he got hooked when it was 3-0.

Just looked at the score and it's 4-0 Tampa :lawl:

In the first period no less!! :lawl: :bowrofl: :lawl:

pure.life
03-13-2012, 04:16 PM
heard on the radio Turco started tonight's game for Boston then he got hooked when it was 3-0. Just looked at the score and it's 4-0 Tampa :lawl:

Knowing the Bruins..they're gonna start a line brawl

Gh0stRider
03-13-2012, 04:20 PM
3 goals on 6 shots :lawl:

b0unce. [?]
03-13-2012, 04:22 PM
this was expected though...

cliffhanger33
03-13-2012, 04:42 PM
5-0 now for tampa 2nd period

UFO
03-13-2012, 04:45 PM
And Turco is back in net. Lol

spideyv2
03-13-2012, 04:48 PM
What channel
Posted via RS Mobile (http://www.revscene.net/forums/announcement.php?a=228)

cliffhanger33
03-13-2012, 04:49 PM
Im watching it on nhl.com

chouchou
03-13-2012, 04:49 PM
Can someone briefly explain the whole deal on hybrid icing being proposed by the league to the GMs?

cliffhanger33
03-13-2012, 04:52 PM
Can someone briefly explain the whole deal on hybrid icing being proposed by the league to the GMs?


It is supposed to give the linesman a choice on whether they shud blow the whistle and stop the play if the defence will touch the puck first. If the linesman thinks the player attacking has the chance to get the puck first he will not blow whistle and let them race for the puck. the faceoff dot is like the finish line.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=536137

It is supposed to reduce injuries caused when racing for the puck

Bonka
03-13-2012, 04:53 PM
Can someone briefly explain the whole deal on hybrid icing being proposed by the league to the GMs?

Hybrid icing is a mixture of touch and no-touch icing. It gives a linesman the discretion to blow his whistle and stop the play if he believes a defending player will reach the puck first. If the linesman believes the attacking player has a chance to reach the puck first, he keeps his whistle in his pocket and lets the race to the puck play out. The linesman always will side with the defending player and blow his whistle if he feels the race is a tie by the time the players reach the faceoff dots.

Hybrid icing quickly becoming a favorite among GMs - 2010 NHL Research, Development and Orientation Camp (http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=536137)

cliffhanger33
03-13-2012, 05:37 PM
eh. blues up 3-1 with chicago

its expected but dam the blues are hot

SkinnyPupp
03-13-2012, 05:46 PM
Andy McDonald tearing shit up since coming back.. glad he was available in 2 leagues :fuckyea:

cliffhanger33
03-13-2012, 05:52 PM
lol tampa seals the deal with 6-1 at 8:17 into third

DanHibiki
03-13-2012, 06:23 PM
It is supposed to give the linesman a choice on whether they shud blow the whistle and stop the play if the defence will touch the puck first. If the linesman thinks the player attacking has the chance to get the puck first he will not blow whistle and let them race for the puck. the faceoff dot is like the finish line.

Hybrid icing quickly becoming a favorite among GMs - 2010 NHL Research, Development and Orientation Camp (http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=536137)

It is supposed to reduce injuries caused when racing for the puck

I like this idea, however, I feelt giving more judgement type calls to refs is bad...you just KNOW there's gonna be so much controversy over an icing call in the playoffs or something.

7seven
03-13-2012, 06:32 PM
haha odd goal by the Isles, Moulson with the shot, deflected high to the glass by Tavares, Neuvirth turns around to track it and bounces of his chest into the net

Moulson snipes it versus caps - YouTube

Vansterdam
03-13-2012, 06:40 PM
^ :fulloffuck:

mako
03-13-2012, 06:46 PM
thats some deflection

RiceIntegraRS
03-13-2012, 06:52 PM
Right now we have Sedins and Burrows up front and Kesler and Edler at the point for our Powerplay. As much as i like Edler, id rather have Salo shooting cause he hits the net way better than Edler does. Plus Henrik can hit him with the one time much more better. Now all we need is the refs to call a penalty for a dam change

Canucks - History Will Be Made May 22/11 - YouTube

b0unce. [?]
03-13-2012, 07:00 PM
even on a semi shitty tampa bay team, stamkos hits 50 goals.

pure.life
03-13-2012, 07:13 PM
Right now we have Sedins and Burrows up front and Kesler and Edler at the point for our Powerplay. As much as i like Edler, id rather have Salo shooting cause he hits the net way better than Edler does. Plus Henrik can hit him with the one time much more better. Now all we need is the refs to call a penalty for a dam change

Canucks - History Will Be Made May 22/11 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaDdw1iGLv4)

its been awhile since I've watched any of these history has been made videos. Man, last year's playoff run was epic.

UFO
03-13-2012, 07:27 PM
Not sure why the GM's want to keep the goalie trapezoid in the game. It was put in originally to keep goalies in their crease to help increase scoring chances and forechecking because goalies (Brodeur) would come out and play the dump ins and make a nice first pass out otherwise.

My idea: make goalies fair game for contact outside the crease, IF they have or are playing the puck. Any contact initiated by the skater on the goalie inside his crease is an automatic interference penalty, make the crease 6" bigger all around if you have to. The goalie crease is meaningless now that players are allowed to skate through, stand in, when the puck goes in. If goalie is outside the crease, he is fair game for contact like any other skater on the ice. If he has the puck you can hit him. If he's standing outside his crease, you can't hit him just like you can't hit a skater like that normally. If goalies want to risk getting pasted in the corner while playing the puck, they will stay in the crease on their own. Giving goalies immunity from contact is a bit of a load IMO, they are after all still playing a contact sport.

JesseBlue
03-13-2012, 07:30 PM
part of the changes is to prevent injuries...not add to them

Not really racist!
03-13-2012, 07:33 PM
Not sure why the GM's want to keep the goalie trapezoid in the game. It was put in originally to keep goalies in their crease to help increase scoring chances and forechecking because goalies (Brodeur) would come out and play the dump ins and make a nice first pass out otherwise.

My idea: make goalies fair game for contact outside the crease, IF they have or are playing the puck. Any contact initiated by the skater on the goalie inside his crease is an automatic interference penalty, make the crease 6" bigger all around if you have to. The goalie crease is meaningless now that players are allowed to skate through, stand in, when the puck goes in. If goalie is outside the crease, he is fair game for contact like any other skater on the ice. If he has the puck you can hit him. If he's standing outside his crease, you can't hit him just like you can't hit a skater like that normally. If goalies want to risk getting pasted in the corner while playing the puck, they will stay in the crease on their own. Giving goalies immunity from contact is a bit of a load IMO, they are after all still playing a contact sport.

Oh boy, I wonder how many goalies will have concussions.

AzNightmare
03-13-2012, 07:52 PM
Giving goalies immunity from contact is a bit of a load IMO, they are after all still playing a contact sport.

We can debate whether goalies should be allowed to come out and play the puck or not...
but good in-depth article why a goalie is NOT FAIR GAME for contact.

Why Can’t You Hit the Goalie? | is this your homework? (http://www.isthisyourhomework.com/why-cant-you-hit-the-goalie/)

Their bulky gear is deceiving. They actually have way less protection for body impacts than a player.

Ludepower
03-13-2012, 07:53 PM
Not sure why the GM's want to keep the goalie trapezoid in the game. It was put in originally to keep goalies in their crease to help increase scoring chances and forechecking because goalies (Brodeur) would come out and play the dump ins and make a nice first pass out otherwise.

My idea: make goalies fair game for contact outside the crease, IF they have or are playing the puck. Any contact initiated by the skater on the goalie inside his crease is an automatic interference penalty, make the crease 6" bigger all around if you have to. The goalie crease is meaningless now that players are allowed to skate through, stand in, when the puck goes in. If goalie is outside the crease, he is fair game for contact like any other skater on the ice. If he has the puck you can hit him. If he's standing outside his crease, you can't hit him just like you can't hit a skater like that normally. If goalies want to risk getting pasted in the corner while playing the puck, they will stay in the crease on their own. Giving goalies immunity from contact is a bit of a load IMO, they are after all still playing a contact sport.

BINGO.
Cant believe they made this trapezoid rule because of one of the greatest goalies...Brodeur.

No one is forcing them to play the puck. The D-men can grab it if they're scared. But once you leave your crease...you're fair game.

Goalies these days are minimum 6 feet 200lbs. They can hold their own.

RiceIntegraRS
03-13-2012, 07:57 PM
^Goalies are minimum 6 feet 200lbs, with a shitload of extra padding. Extra padding that keeps them from defending themselves properly if they do get hit. When i say defending i mean bracing themselves for the hit. Goalies are like Quarterbacks. They need to be protected.

Ludepower
03-13-2012, 08:05 PM
^Goalies are minimum 6 feet 200lbs, with a shitload of extra padding. Extra padding that keeps them from defending themselves properly if they do get hit. When i say defending i mean bracing themselves for the hit. Goalies are like Quarterbacks. They need to be protected.

Your allowed to hit Quarterbacks... :suspicious:

Goalies playing the puck puts another dynamic into the game. Watching Marty play the puck was a thing of beauty and watching others fail is hilarious as well.

Maybe we can find a balancing point on this rule. Increase the current trapezoid crease but beyond that you're fair game.

AzNightmare
03-13-2012, 08:39 PM
I believe the balancing point is to allow the goalie to play the puck (area playable is debatable) but it really should be first come first serve.

If it's along the boards and the goalie beat the player to it, have the respect and not go for free a hit.
Goalies aren't fair game for hitting as I posted earlier.

If it's a breakaway race, goalies have the chance to gamble and race for the puck.
Goalie either gets it first or get humiliated as the player goes around and shoots into an empty net.
Once again, first come first serve.
Not a free opportunity to lay out the goalie if he reaches the puck first.


For those that feel the article is TL;DR
Why Can’t You Hit the Goalie? | is this your homework? (http://www.isthisyourhomework.com/why-cant-you-hit-the-goalie/)

-Goalie gear are only protected from one side, the front
-Weak shoulder pads
-Almost no protection in the back
-No rib protection
-Bulky front heavy gear, making goalies off balance and fall and land in dangerous positions.
-masks are attached loosely for puck impact absorbtion, not bodycheck collision




I'm not familiar with Football gear.
Do quarterbacks wear similar equipment as the others, but lighter versions, or are they just typically smaller, more agile, athletes
(which is why they are more prone to injury)?

Gumby
03-13-2012, 09:22 PM
haha odd goal by the Isles, Moulson with the shot, deflected high to the glass by Tavares, Neuvirth turns around to track it and bounces of his chest into the net
Very odd! First "tipped" goal that wasn't tipped on net to begin with. :D

UFO
03-13-2012, 10:33 PM
Oh boy, I wonder how many goalies will have concussions.

The solution to this, stay in the crease if you don't want to get hit. Not every hit is going to be a highlight reel hit, and not every hit will cause a concussion. I'm not convinced there are more concussions in the game now than 15 years ago. There is much more awareness now, and every potential concussion is treated as a full on concussion. Every hit where the head is involved to any degree is labelled a headshot. 15 years ago, anything not apparently obvious, you are back on the ice to try and skate it off. I'm sure guys dealt with mild headaches and symptoms and just played through.

it really should be first come first serve.

If it's along the boards and the goalie beat the player to it, have the respect and not go for free a hit.
Goalies aren't fair game for hitting as I posted earlier.

If it's a breakaway race, goalies have the chance to gamble and race for the puck.
Goalie either gets it first or get humiliated as the player goes around and shoots into an empty net.
Once again, first come first serve.
Not a free opportunity to lay out the goalie if he reaches the puck first.


I fully understand the restrictions in mobility, and the limited side and back protection of goalie gear. The solution to this, stay in the crease if you don't want to get hit. If you leave your crease, doesn't mean you'll get hit. Keep your head up, just like every other player. If you play by the first come first served rule, there will ALWAYS be some level of discretion because the game moves at such a high pace.

Milan Lucic hits Ryan Miller Nov 12, 2011 - YouTube

In the Lucic/Miller incident from earlier this season, Miller beat Lucic to the puck by maybe half a second, likely less. You can tell that Lucic made no attempt to avoid the collision, instead bracing himself and sending Miller flying. But Miller also made zero effort to protect himself. In Lucic's defense (and I hate to have to defend a Bruin) you can also say he was just protecting himself, there was no guarantee that if he tried to avoid contact that Miller wouldn't have also turned the same way and resulted in a collision where both were in a vulnerable position, its a 50/50 game of chicken at this point. What if they both arrived to the puck at the same time, and the collision was made? What if Lucic had gotten to the puck a fraction of a second before Miller, but both were still on an obvious collision course? Miller made zero effort to protect himself because he assumed that Lucic was not going to go for the contact regardless of who got to the puck first, and that is something I think that should change. If Miller knew that there was a chance he would get steamrolled if they arrived at the puck at the same time or was beat out by Lucic, he would at the very least brace himself to a degree for contact, or else not made the risk of getting hit and just played the shot.

Ovechkin Hip Check on P.K. Subban: "Hit of the year" [HD] - YouTube

Ovi laying out Subban is absolutely great to watch, but Subban was able to prepare himself for the hit and sent himself flying. Had he not elevated, Subban would have been hurt much much more even though the hit would not have looked as spectacular. With any position, usually the most devastating hits are the ones where the receiving player is not aware the hit is coming and cannot properly brace or prepare for it.

If we are going to give goalies special no hit privileges, they should not be allowed to throw anything either, whether it be hacks to the back of the leg or full out crosschecks.

Tim Thomas Hit on Henrik Sedin - YouTube

Odd how the 2 questionable plays above both involve Bruins players :) But back to the no-play trapezoid, which is a different issue from making goalies fair game. It serves no function whatsoever IMO.

cliffhanger33
03-13-2012, 10:44 PM
yeah the trapezoid is completely useless

and they were also considering to bring back the red line.... :fulloffuck:

DanHibiki
03-13-2012, 10:47 PM
yeah the trapezoid is completely useless

and they were also considering to bring back the red line.... :fulloffuck:

that would be the dumbest move EVER

dyan
03-13-2012, 10:54 PM
Going to the game tmr :fuckyea:

Anyone else?

cliffhanger33
03-13-2012, 11:01 PM
that would be the dumbest move EVER

Its completely counterintuitive. Their reason for this proposed reinstatement of the red line is to build some virtual wall in the middle of the neutral zone so that it will literally slow the game down to prevent concussion. When did a two-line pass ever cause a concussion? I agree that making stretch passes ENCOURAGES players to create faster game and make more of those “dangerous” plays but that’s like making fights in hockey illegal to prevent brain injuries. Banning fights is not going to prevent these injuries because very very few ppl get brain injuries through fights alone, just like the perception of getting concussions from long stretch passes.

Bouncing Bettys
03-14-2012, 12:23 AM
We talked about this back in November so I will just quote myself:
I'd be against open season on goalies for 2 reasons:

1. Goalies rarely, if ever, utilize speed when making contact with a player and will lose out in most cases, increasing the chances of injury.

2. Injuries to goalies have a much bigger effect on a game than they do to players. A coach can easily shuffle lines to make up for the loss of a player. The loss of a goalie means replacing him with a backup. If the backup then goes down with injury, the coach will have to dress whoever he can find, play without, or forfeit. The role of a goalie factors into a game so much so that the rules allow for players to serve out minor penalties incurred by the goalie.

edit: Another example of the importance of a goalies: replacing a goalie in order to send a message to the team when the goalie was not at fault for the goals against.

Expresso
03-14-2012, 12:50 AM
Its completely counterintuitive. Their reason for this proposed reinstatement of the red line is to build some virtual wall in the middle of the neutral zone so that it will literally slow the game down to prevent concussion. When did a two-line pass ever cause a concussion? I agree that making stretch passes ENCOURAGES players to create faster game and make more of those “dangerous” plays but that’s like making fights in hockey illegal to prevent brain injuries. Banning fights is not going to prevent these injuries because very very few ppl get brain injuries through fights alone, just like the perception of getting concussions from long stretch passes.

That's not the only reason why they want to re-instate the Red line. The other reasoning is because there is very little 'plays' now made in the neutral zone now. Everyone just stands by the blue line and tips it into the offensive zone and forecheck. The way teams enter the offensive zone is pretty much dumbed down now. The thought is yes slowing the game down, but also making more plays.

KuklasKorner : KK Hockey : Yzerman Wants The Red Line Back (http://www.kuklaskorner.com/index.php/hockey/comments/yzerman_wants_the_red_line_back/)

SkinnyPupp
03-14-2012, 12:53 AM
Now instead of slap passing into the offensive zone, they'll just run into a trap in the neutral zone again, just like before. I can't believe they want to go back to that :fulloffuck:
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cliffhanger33
03-14-2012, 02:11 AM
Either way, bringing back the red line is stupid and counterintuitive.

As for hybrid icing, im totally cool with it if it actually does protect players as it doesnt slow the pace of the game too much.

b0unce. [?]
03-14-2012, 06:06 AM
Imo I think goalies should be fair game. Afterall in the end, they are considered players and shouldn't get special treatment unless the rules state it. It's more of an unwritten rule to not kill the goalie. But in the event the goalie leaves the blue paint, he should be considered open game. Within his bubble, ya I think he's untouchable. The goalie has got to be able to make the save within his crease, which is why players tend to watch their feet and make sure they are standing right on the edge of it in fear of the goal possibly being disallowed.
If the goalie skates out half way to the blue line to play the puck and gets run over, that's his fault.
The no touch icing I'm fine with. 9/10 if the call was close and the ref isn't sure who made it to the puck, they will usually just give it to the defender.
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AzNightmare
03-14-2012, 06:52 AM
Might as well make a 2nd (big) crease then.
So when a player is chasing after a loose puck for a breakaway, once the puck enters that bigger zone,
the goalie can play it safely, with the player not allowed to hit them.

(Or just create a bigger crease as UFO stated. Not sure if goalies at the pro level rely on crease for positioning aid any more.
So it could be completely useless.)

If goalies are fair game like a player anywhere outside their little 6 feet radius crease,
that's pretty much telling them to never rush out at all on loose breakaway opportunities,
since they aren't equipped properly to take body collisions.

I guess in a way, that's a solution for increasing scoring.... :pokerface:

Tegra_Devil
03-14-2012, 07:26 AM
gj iggy.....gj!

welcome to 11 straight seasons at 30+

UFO
03-14-2012, 07:32 AM
^you need to rely on yourself for collisions as much as relying on your equipment. We see spectacular runs and hits on goalies because they never expect contact, and it is often over-dramatized to help draw a penalty. If they expect some level of contact, and brace and prepare for it, the hits will not be as spectacular. There are easily dozens of hits thrown in one game, and maybe only a handful can be considered highlight reel hits, and this is because most of the time the receiver knows its coming and prepares properly for it.

gars
03-14-2012, 09:01 AM
^you need to rely on yourself for collisions as much as relying on your equipment. We see spectacular runs and hits on goalies because they never expect contact, and it is often over-dramatized to help draw a penalty. If they expect some level of contact, and brace and prepare for it, the hits will not be as spectacular. There are easily dozens of hits thrown in one game, and maybe only a handful can be considered highlight reel hits, and this is because most of the time the receiver knows its coming and prepares properly for it.

Most of the hits in games are along the boards though. Open Ice hits can be much deadlier because the player taking the hit doesn't have much to brace against. You can lean into the hit, but that would mean lowering your head towards the player coming at you. The only thing you really can do try to dodge the check, but people have mentioned already that goalies aren't as nimble as a regular player.

timbit
03-14-2012, 10:51 AM
Mason Raymond isn't the solution to the Sedin's woes.

jeedee
03-14-2012, 11:03 AM
Mason Raymond isn't the solution to the Sedin's woes.

Meh you never know..

Something good might come out of a mix of 2 cold-streak players and a shit player

:lol

BlackZRoadster
03-14-2012, 12:17 PM
2 negatives equals positive lol
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Not really racist!
03-14-2012, 12:20 PM
Raymond for the hatrick tonight, said it here first!

just kidding.

spoon.ek9
03-14-2012, 12:30 PM
Raymond for the hatrick tonight, said it here first!

just kidding.

i think you mean there's gonna be a safeway score & win $1,000,000 prize winner tonight :smug:

cliffhanger33
03-14-2012, 12:53 PM
Who knows, what if smth happens ;) I call miracle

mako
03-14-2012, 03:13 PM
So no discussion in here about the Preds and Radulov?
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jeedee
03-14-2012, 03:14 PM
Already discussed like 3 pages back

cliffhanger33
03-14-2012, 03:21 PM
Line up for today :thumbsup:

Vancouver Canucks - Depth Chart (http://canucks.nhl.com/club/depthchart.htm?dcid=23&location=/depth_chart&intcmpid=van-game-lineup)

highfive
03-14-2012, 03:32 PM
Kristen Reid's Twitter

Malhotra may sit for Weise tonight.

Weise Lapierre and Kassian.

Vansterdam
03-14-2012, 03:32 PM
hank needs to get a fucken point and tie trevor linden

cliffhanger33
03-14-2012, 03:35 PM
as of now, it seems like the hockey gods dont want hank to tie with linden :okay:

Expresso
03-14-2012, 04:13 PM
Kristen Reid's Twitter

Malhotra may sit for Weise tonight.

Weise Lapierre and Kassian.

Is she back with the Canucks again?

RacingMetro92
03-14-2012, 04:17 PM
Dan Murphy:

Manny Malhotra, who has some personal issues to tend to, is out on #canucks 4th line. Dale Weise will play.

xeryusx
03-14-2012, 04:33 PM
Line up for today :thumbsup:

Vancouver Canucks - Depth Chart (http://canucks.nhl.com/club/depthchart.htm?dcid=23&location=/depth_chart&intcmpid=van-game-lineup)

I'm ehhh about MayRay and Burrows switching up and hopefully producing SOMETHING and I don't mind Weise filling in. That 4th line better do some damage though. But I'm so glad AV didn't tinker with the AMExpress line. Their line is looking like it's starting to function properly.

Hondaracer
03-14-2012, 04:41 PM
lulz, cody in the box for a goal against, no points still

cliffhanger33
03-14-2012, 04:43 PM
poor coho LOL

he needs the nucks

JKam
03-14-2012, 04:54 PM
poor coho LOL

he needs the nucks

Just like his buddy Ehrhoff

gars
03-14-2012, 05:01 PM
pretty cool HTML5 chart that shows all the teams in the NHL that have gone to the NHL Stanley Cup Finals.

Mouse over the team logo to see which years they were there. Mouse over the year to see which teams fought that year.

It's easy to forget which teams have never actually won a cup.

HTML5 Experiment: Visualizing the Stanley Cup (http://vis.robbymacdonell.com/stanley-cup/)

b0unce. [?]
03-14-2012, 06:05 PM
if ehrhoff didn't pull a jovo, he would have gotten a slight raise but still be on the nucks

cliffhanger33
03-14-2012, 06:08 PM
no anthem?

mako
03-14-2012, 06:08 PM
Game On!!!

b0unce. [?]
03-14-2012, 06:10 PM
OH MAN THIS LINEUP EATS DICK

mako
03-14-2012, 06:11 PM
Raymond why you miss breakaway then go offside?!!

SkinnyPupp
03-14-2012, 06:11 PM
FUCKING RAYMOND ALREADY??? :rukidding:

TRD Rs200
03-14-2012, 06:11 PM
anyone got a stream?

Mike Oxbig
03-14-2012, 06:12 PM
higgy hottest canucks right now hope he doesnt peak too enough and slump during playoffs

cliffhanger33
03-14-2012, 06:13 PM
burrrowwwwww MONSTER

Not really racist!
03-14-2012, 06:13 PM
BURROWS IS A MONSTER!!!

DsZ24
03-14-2012, 06:13 PM
BURROWS IS A MONSTER wooooooooooooo

satek
03-14-2012, 06:13 PM
monster!!!!!!

mako
03-14-2012, 06:13 PM
Monsterrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Mike Oxbig
03-14-2012, 06:13 PM
:fuckyea: put burrows in any line he can still score

SkinnyPupp
03-14-2012, 06:13 PM
FUCK I keep getting the FUCKING Justin.tv "pro account" message, and I missed the FUCKING goal. :fuuuuu:

b0unce. [?]
03-14-2012, 06:13 PM
burrows: SORRY SEDINS, DONT NEED YA

seakrait
03-14-2012, 06:14 PM
Monsterrrrr

spoon.ek9
03-14-2012, 06:14 PM
burrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr monster!

mako
03-14-2012, 06:14 PM
new 3rd line pays off already

spideyv2
03-14-2012, 06:14 PM
Lol separate bur from sedins, bur scores
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SkinnyPupp
03-14-2012, 06:14 PM
CUNT

Vale46Rossi
03-14-2012, 06:15 PM
Sedins shot wide =(

TRD Rs200
03-14-2012, 06:16 PM
ANYONE GOT A LINK?

cliffhanger33
03-14-2012, 06:16 PM
we arelooking sick

spoon.ek9
03-14-2012, 06:16 PM
dat torres hit on kes! shiet i miss seeing him do that for us

mako
03-14-2012, 06:16 PM
Torres .... that dog

cliffhanger33
03-14-2012, 06:17 PM
luuuuuuuuuu