[PornMaster]

we should set up an RS keeper pool

We could add a small prize to keep it interesting :)

$10 a person winner takes all?
every year

[jeedee]

whos he gonna play with though? Giroux and JVR?

Most likely Giroux/Briere with JVR on the wing

[trancehead]

Speaking of Giroux and JVR, did you guys think it was a wise decision to lean on these young guys + Bryz , Schenn and Simmonds et al instead of Richards + Carter? Want to ask again given that JVR has a contract ext and his importance has therefore been emphasized.

[LSF22]

Happy birthday Sami Salo! :Birthday:

[!Nhan]

AP Source: Former NHL player Belak hanged himself - NHL - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news?slug=ap-belak-founddead)

[shawn79]

i dont feel sorry for him, leaving his wife and kids to hang in the future

[highfive]

Speaking of Giroux and JVR, did you guys think it was a wise decision to lean on these young guys + Bryz , Schenn and Simmonds et al instead of Richards + Carter? Want to ask again given that JVR has a contract ext and his importance has therefore been emphasized.

Well if the stories of Richards and Carter partying and being a distraction to the team, I rather have the young guys.

Plus the flyers has many veterans to lean on. Briere, Hartnell, Pronger.

[Hondaracer]

You would think they could have just let go Carter and kept Richards
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[jeedee]

Speaking of Giroux and JVR, did you guys think it was a wise decision to lean on these young guys + Bryz , Schenn and Simmonds et al instead of Richards + Carter? Want to ask again given that JVR has a contract ext and his importance has therefore been emphasized.

AFAIK, Richards + Carter were "cancers" in the locker room with their constant partying and what not.

The Flyers couldn't win the cup, and the year after that were swept 4-0 in the Bruins. It was clear Richards + Carter couldn't get the deal done.

Now with the acquisitions of Bryzgalov, Schenn, Simmonds, Couturier etc most of these guys haven't hit their prime yet [especially Schenn]. With the younger team they have, IMO the Flyers are more focused towards their future. It'll be interesting to see how they do this year.

[jeedee]

Vancouver Canucks: A Look Back At the Past 40 Years - YouTube

[dignatas]

i dont feel sorry for him, leaving his wife and kids to hang in the future

http://cache.ohinternet.com/images/2/24/I_see_what_you_did_there_super.jpg

[shawn79]

is carolina changing name to charlotte hurricanes?
Winnipeg Jets Regional Broadcast Schedule (http://www.tsn.ca/jets/)

[Timewav3zer0]

^probably just a preseason game in charlotte

[Domani]

Vancouver Canucks: A Look Back At the Past 40 Years - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=As_jA6HLtGU)

nice touch at the end.


god can't wait til the season starts.

[Bouncing Bettys]

Yes lets get this season going already.

Toronto Maple Leafs 2010-2011 Season Tribute - YouTube
There were a lot of highs and some really horrible lows this past season but the leafs were one of the better teams in the second half of the season. Its really an entirely different team now. This is most highlighted with the departure of Kaberle making Schenn the longest serving current player on the team. I can't wait for the season to start so the progression can continue. I am finally starting to feel a bit of cautious optimism that has been dwindling since the lockout.

[PornMaster]

GTFO LAFFS FAN

[SkinnyPupp]

Maybe go start a Leafs fan thread that everyone can ignore, except the losers who follow the Leafs

[PornMaster]

Nah, make a thread when laffs are a decent team and cup contender.

Oh wait.... :troll:

[Bouncing Bettys]

Maybe we've gone over this before. You guys insist on having a "Canucks" thread rather than an NHL thread each year and then go on to discuss a variety of topics that don't encompass the Canucks. Case in point - Wade Belak death talk a page back. As I've said before, I don't give a flying fuck - these threads are NHL threads to me.

[Bouncing Bettys]

Nah, make a thread when laffs are a decent team and cup contender.

Oh wait.... :troll:
or make a video tribute to a Canucks franchise that has never won a cup in its entire 40 years...oh wait :troll:

[SkinnyPupp]

Here's your leafs thread (http://www.revscene.net/forums/526241-fucked-up-shit-what-makes-you-laugh-nws-1044.html#post7567184) :troll:

[shawn79]

we talk about 29 other teams except for the leafs in this thread, sorry
:troll:

[PornMaster]

I hate how peoples only defence is that their team won the cup.

Its easier to win the cup when theres only 6 fucking teams LOL

laffs have never won the cup ever since the expansion to total of 12 teams in 67-68

haven't won division since 99-00 season

JOKE

[spoon.ek9]

good lord... are we gonna start this conversation again? no one cares about the leafs in this thread but you Blaupunkt69. that's just the truth. you can bitch and moan that this is an NHL thread but this is Vancouver. this forum is based in Vancouver. WE can talk about whatever we want to. YOU'RE not a part of that.

[mb_]

Training camp is almost underway! Damn, time went by pretty fast. Gonna admit though, didn't follow Canucks or NHL in general too much this summer. Guess I was too upset that we came so close yet so far.

[Bouncing Bettys]

good lord... are we gonna start this conversation again? no one cares about the leafs in this thread but you Blaupunkt69. that's just the truth. you can bitch and moan that this is an NHL thread but this is Vancouver. this forum is based in Vancouver. WE can talk about whatever we want to. YOU'RE not a part of that.
the bitching and moaning was done by Canuck fans upset I discussed the Leafs again, so talk to them. I know what this thread is really about, I know the region this forum is based, and I know the hockey allegiance of many of its members and how they feel towards the Leafs and their fans. I am not changing my behaviour and have stated so every time this issue has come up. If people don't like me posting non-Canuck topics in this thread, then I suggest they ignore my posts or stop being hypocrites and stick to strictly Canuck related subjects in this supposed Canucks thread. If they did that, then this issue would not come up. Anyways, back to being a hockey fan and patiently waiting for the season to start.

My favourite game from Grabovski so far - Feb. 15th 4-3 win over the Bruins. Grabo receives 2 big hits from Chara which he later admitted gave him a mild concussion and he goes on to score a beauty game winner.

The hits, which some of you might enjoy
Zdeno Chara nails Mikhail Grabovski twice - YouTube

and the goal
Mikhail Grabovski stuns the Bruins "D" 2/15/11 - YouTube

[SkinnyPupp]

I'm a hockey fan first, and a Canucks fan second. I was just making fun :troll:

[pure.life]

the bitching and moaning was done by Canuck fans upset I discussed the Leafs again, so talk to them. I know what this thread is really about, I know the region this forum is based, and I know the hockey allegiance of many of its members and how they feel towards the Leafs and their fans. I am not changing my behaviour and have stated so every time this issue has come up. If people don't like me posting non-Canuck topics in this thread, then I suggest they ignore my posts or stop being hypocrites and stick to strictly Canuck related subjects in this supposed Canucks thread. If they did that, then this issue would not come up. Anyways, back to being a hockey fan and patiently waiting for the season to start.

My favourite game from Grabovski so far - Feb. 15th 4-3 win over the Bruins. Grabo receives 2 big hits from Chara which he later admitted gave him a mild concussion and he goes on to score a beauty game winner.

The hits, which some of you might enjoy
Zdeno Chara nails Mikhail Grabovski twice - YouTube (http://youtu.be/kZXGJYz8GMo)

and the goal
Mikhail Grabovski stuns the Bruins "D" 2/15/11 - YouTube (http://youtu.be/DZpOEH5KByg)

Why couldn't any of the Canucks shoot and score like that during the SCF? :okay:

[jeedee]

the bitching and moaning was done by Canuck fans upset I discussed the Leafs again, so talk to them. I know what this thread is really about, I know the region this forum is based, and I know the hockey allegiance of many of its members and how they feel towards the Leafs and their fans. I am not changing my behaviour and have stated so every time this issue has come up. If people don't like me posting non-Canuck topics in this thread, then I suggest they ignore my posts or stop being hypocrites and stick to strictly Canuck related subjects in this supposed Canucks thread. If they did that, then this issue would not come up. Anyways, back to being a hockey fan and patiently waiting for the season to start.

My favourite game from Grabovski so far - Feb. 15th 4-3 win over the Bruins. Grabo receives 2 big hits from Chara which he later admitted gave him a mild concussion and he goes on to score a beauty game winner.

The hits, which some of you might enjoy
Zdeno Chara nails Mikhail Grabovski twice - YouTube (http://youtu.be/kZXGJYz8GMo)

and the goal
Mikhail Grabovski stuns the Bruins "D" 2/15/11 - YouTube (http://youtu.be/DZpOEH5KByg)

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z217/benychow/16a5tuojpg.gif
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[The Hype]

That Grabovski goal :fuckthatshit:

Bobby Ryan scores an amazing goal! What a deke! (Available in 720p) - YouTube

I can't wait for next season

[falcon]

Since were playing this game, I still like this one :D

Simple and effective. Like... c`mon... splitting Shea Webber..

GREAT GOAL KESLER - Canucks at Predators - R2G4 2011 Playoffs - 05.05.11 - HD - YouTube

[Not really racist!]

poor rinne on both hahha

[trancehead]

I still wish Kesler was captain. Because when he is out there, you know he'll try and do anything for his team to win

[shawn79]

kesler started to mature after the C was given to henrik
but he shows more heart than henrik for sure, all i saw was henrik diving in the playoffs.... they pretty much dived away their stanley cup ring

[The Hype]

kesler started to mature after the C was given to henrik
but he shows more heart than henrik for sure, all i saw was henrik diving in the playoffs.... they pretty much dived away their stanley cup ring

I wouldn't say they dove away their ring, they just didn't produce when it mattered most. Kesler did.

[trancehead]

kesler started to mature after the C was given to henrik
but he shows more heart than henrik for sure, all i saw was henrik diving in the playoffs.... they pretty much dived away their stanley cup ring
there is some truth to that in kesler did mature during last summer. i think the story was that mike gillis/av told him to stop the diving/chirping/non sense and just focus on his game....and he goes an scores 40 goals with a Selke on top. He would have been my vote for Conn Smythe had we won.

Sedins should look to Lidstrom. He isn't overly physical like them, but at the same time does not dive nor take repeated shots to the face.

I wouldn't say they dove away their ring, they just didn't produce when it mattered most. Kesler did.
They were looking for an Emmy, not the Cup

[spideyv2]

Agreed on the sedins diving too much, it was starting to get unbearable
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[68style]

I wouldn't say they dove away their ring, they just didn't produce when it mattered most. Kesler did.


Totally not true. When did it matter the most? Possibly the Stanley Cup Finals? Kesler had 1 assist in 7 games. Raffi Torres and Maxim Lappierre had more points than him.

Yah I know he was injured, so was Henrik........ but don't say he produced more... because he simply did not.

[Soundy]

good lord... are we gonna start this conversation again? no one cares about the leafs in this thread but you Blaupunkt69. that's just the truth. you can bitch and moan that this is an NHL thread but this is Vancouver. this forum is based in Vancouver. WE can talk about whatever we want to. YOU'RE not a part of that.

Vancouver Canucks 300 Parody - YouTube

[MR_BIGGS]

kesler started to mature after the C was given to henrik
but he shows more heart than henrik for sure, all i saw was henrik diving in the playoffs.... they pretty much dived away their stanley cup ring

there is some truth to that in kesler did mature during last summer. i think the story was that mike gillis/av told him to stop the diving/chirping/non sense and just focus on his game....and he goes an scores 40 goals with a Selke on top. He would have been my vote for Conn Smythe had we won.

Sedins should look to Lidstrom. He isn't overly physical like them, but at the same time does not dive nor take repeated shots to the face.


They were looking for an Emmy, not the Cup

I agree that Kesler came into his own once Henrik was named captain, but he's also been vocal about how valuable Mats Sundin was to him learning leadership.

I can't wait for the season to start. Lots of people I've spoken to think the Hawks will be back to their winning ways and LA will also me top 4 in the west. It will definitely be competitive near the top of the conference.

[Happy]

Agreed on the sedins diving too much, it was starting to get unbearable
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how else can canucks win? if they have no physical presence
they have to draw penaltys and score on the pp

[spideyv2]

how else can canucks win? if they have no physical presence
they have to draw penaltys and score on the pp

and that worked real well in the finals, right?

[trancehead]

leafs suck

[tubbyboi]

kesler started to mature after the C was given to henrik
but he shows more heart than henrik for sure, all i saw was henrik diving in the playoffs.... they pretty much dived away their stanley cup ring

are you guys serious? Kesler is a champ and doesn't need a C on his jersey to know hes a leader, who cares about the C...

what is a definition of "showing more heart?" Are you in the locker room with these guys? The reason why kesler seems like he has more heart is because he has more swaggg. Hank is just a lot more well mannered from how he plays the game to how he presents himself off the ice. Doesn't mean he has less heart, just means how he has a different personality...

[shawn79]

^ based on 2010-2011 yeah that sounds about right :rolleyes:

[Happy]

and that worked real well in the finals, right?

It kinda worked leading upto the finals, the reason the canucks lost is because they can't hit for shit
Also luongo is a waste of money, out performed by tim thomas who probably gets paid 1/3 of what luongo gets paid
Trade luongo for a solid scoring power forward and use schneider <- he's a fucking beast
I'm not even a canucks fan but they're my hometown team, no physical presence = no cup
Simple as that
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[spideyv2]

It kinda worked leading upto the finals, the reason the canucks lost is because they can't hit for shit
Also luongo is a waste of money, out performed by tim thomas who probably gets paid 1/3 of what luongo gets paid
Trade luongo for a solid scoring power forward and use schneider <- he's a fucking beast
I'm not even a canucks fan but they're my hometown team, no physical presence = no cup
Simple as that
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Thomas caphit is $5mill, Lu's cap hit is $5.3mill
Just cause we had no physical presence, it doesn't mean diving to draw penalties was the right thing to do. It's part of the reason why so many other teams hate us.

Edit- Nuff said, stop posting here then.

[Happy]

Thomas caphit is $5mill, Lu's cap hit is $5.3mill
Just cause we had no physical presence, it doesn't mean diving to draw penalties was the right thing to do. It's part of the reason why so many other teams hate us.

i don't see why people would hate the canucks
canucks have alot of talent and drawing penaltys is a legit way to play
i just don't think they're gonna win anytime soon
41 years and no cup says alot about this franchise

[jeedee]

It kinda worked leading upto the finals, the reason the canucks lost is because they can't hit for shit
Also luongo is a waste of money, out performed by tim thomas who probably gets paid 1/3 of what luongo gets paid
Trade luongo for a solid scoring power forward and use schneider <- he's a fucking beast
I'm not even a canucks fan but they're my hometown team, no physical presence = no cup
Simple as that
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They couldn't "hit for shit" cause 2/3 of the team was plagued with injuries and facing a hot goaltender didn't help either. This isn't NHL 12 where you can trade Luongo for just any player :facepalm: . No team would want/be able to take on his contract so he'll be here till 2022, like it or not.

So sit your bandwagoner ass down

Simple as that
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[Tim Budong]

puck daddys take on the vancouver riot report... old news, but this is an article that went up just now

City of Vancouver blames NHL for riots, embarrasses itself - Puck Daddy - NHL Blog - Yahoo! Sports (http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/City-of-Vancouver-blames-NHL-for-riots-embarras?urn=nhl-wp11913)

Think about the night of June 15, when the Boston Bruins defeated the Vancouver Canucks in Game 7 of the Stanley Cup Final. Think about the cars smoldering in the streets of the city. Think about windows being smashed and stores being looted. Think about the clashes with police.
Think about the disgust you felt as the chaos spread.
Now try to remember if, even for a moment, you blamed the National Hockey League for any of it.
Because the city of Vancouver does.
Its report on the riots doesn't scapegoat the NHL but clearly accuses it of having no plan to prevent them during the playoffs. From the Globe & Mail:
"In spite of four Stanley Cup riots in the last five years, [the NHL] has no approach, no policy and no apparent strategy to work with host franchises and municipalities on this issue," says the lengthy internal report to be debated at a special council meeting on Tuesday.
"[This] clearly … threatens the value and perception of their brand."
Yes, clearly. Which is why the Canucks should be relocated to Seattle ASAP, because the NHL is doomed, doomed, doomed as a brand.
Wait, what? That's absurd, you say? C'mon, it's not nearly as absurd as blaming the NHL for the embarrassing failures of local bureaucracy to protect its business community and citizenry from predictable pandemonium.
Here are some fun facts about the Game 7 viewing party on June 15:
• The event itself was co-produced by Brand Live Group, a company that was hired just two days before the Stanley Cup Final began. Not, you know, by the NHL.
• The four large LED screens in Vancouver that broadcasted Game 7 were provided by Fresh Air Cinema, which advertised the event on Facebook. Not, you know, by the NHL.
• As the crowds grew during the Stanley Cup Final, going from a then-record 70,000 for Game 2 to 155,000 for Game 7, police underestimated the size of the crowd for the series finale despite the city (and its mayor) encouraging its growth through hype and street closures. Which is something the NHL, you know, didn't do.
• In addition to that: Didn't Vancouver's own police chief say the riots were the work of "a number of young men and women, disguised as Canucks fans, who were actually criminals and anarchists." And the NHL is supposed to have a policy in place for this?
What the city is arguing here is that any entity that encourages masses of people to gather in the city — not directly, but by simply holding an event — should be responsible for that crowd's action. Which means that, in theory, if civil disobedience arises during an Olympic ice hockey viewing party for the 2014 Sochi Games, it's the IOC's fault.
From CTV, more on the internal report:
The city of Vancouver's internal review recommends the Canucks be part of discussions, along with the NHL and local business groups, to create a "community-based organization to plan, raise money, and oversee any future Fan Zone activation sites."
Vancouver Mayor Gregor Robertson said leagues like the NBA and NFL take an active role in working with host cities at major events. "I'm very hopeful we see a positive response from the NHL and the Canucks in the event we are in this situation maybe next year," Robertson said. "I'm hopeful we have a real pro-active role coming from the league and the Canucks so that we don't see this kind of situation again."
If the city wants the Canucks to issue a bunch of public service announcements telling their fans not to burn and loot local businesses after playoff games … sure, why not? It's really just those Jumbotron announcements about not throwing garbage on the ice on a grander scale. Maybe there's some cashew-brain who's deterred from turning over a cop car because of it. Not really a big deal.
But the NHL? Riot control is not the League's problem, and the issue here is that Vancouver seeks to make it the League's problem so the blame can be shared if this crap happens for a third time in the city during a Cup Final. "Hey, thanks for pumping millions of extra dollars into our local economy for three months … can you handle crowd control, too?"
There's really nothing the League can do. Or the team. Listen to how LAPD chief Charlie Beck talked about the Lakers' championship "riots":
"I will deal with people who come in and vandalizes and act foolish and take advantage of crowd situations," said Beck. "The reality is we need to change the way people think about how to celebrate. That's the lesson."
The after-event analysis is currently under way, but as Beck indicated, unless people change their thought processes about celebratory activities, events like Thursday's riots will continue to happen even in the face of police efforts.
Yet the NHL needs to get more involved?
Actually, based on the city's findings, there's really only one sure way to prevent rioting in the Stanley Cup Playoffs: Not allowing Canadian teams to participate in them.
The report reads "four Stanley Cup riots in the last five years"; what it meant to say was Edmonton (2006), Montreal (2008), Montreal (2010) and Vancouver (2011). So yes, the NHL can take a very active role in preventing Stanley Cup rioting by not allowing Canadian cities to have nice things.

[AzNightmare]

It kinda worked leading upto the finals, the reason the canucks lost is because they can't hit for shit
Also luongo is a waste of money, out performed by tim thomas who probably gets paid 1/3 of what luongo gets paid
Trade luongo for a solid scoring power forward and use schneider <- he's a fucking beast
I'm not even a canucks fan but they're my hometown team, no physical presence = no cup
Simple as that
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:stfu:
This isn't CDC. Get your facts right before posting.
Schneider's not even fully proven yet.


I wouldn't say they dove away their ring, they just didn't produce when it mattered most. Kesler did.

That's not entirely true... Kesler didn't go BEAST mode until the Nashville series.
During the SanJose series, it was pretty much all Sedins. And if I recall, Kesler had a slow start against Chicago too.

[JesseBlue]

to me we still got screwed over but enought of that...time to prove it this year..

[7seven]

Jets' just did their Jersey unveiling, for now just screen caps

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/7733/jets2.png

http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/5155/jetsh.png

Personally, not a fan of them

http://s1.proxy04.twitpic.com/photos/large/391324767.jpg

[SkinnyPupp]

:failed:

Oh I was expecting them to be so much better... Those two blues don't go together very well, especially on the home jerseys

[SkinnyPupp]

That being said, they could have been much worse. They seem to be 'grounded' enough, not goofy like the new nashville ones

[spoon.ek9]

to me we still got screwed over but enought of that...time to prove it this year..

i totally agree with that bit.

[MR_BIGGS]

Jerseys aren't eye-catching or even underwhelming. To me, they are just average at best.

I kind of like the colour schemes though.

[quasi]

Don't mind the color schemes but that Logo is bunk. Looks nothing like a sport team logo at all.

[jeedee]

@News1130Sports: Canucks have just 1 un-signed player - Victor Oreskovich. His agent says they are getting close to a new 1 year deal.
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[spoon.ek9]

i think oreo deserves a small raise for his efforts. he was a good physical presence at times during the playoffs but also disappeared once in awhile.

[shawn79]

the china knock off ones look better imo, even the numbers look badass... clean :hat:
http://www.selloffjerseys.com/pic/Winnipeg-Jets--2333-Byfuglien-2012-White-Jersey-65780.jpg

[murd0c]

Being from Winnipeg and the Jet's being the first sports team other then the Bombers I liked I was hoping to get a jersey but not now after seeing what they look like

[spoon.ek9]

i'm sure the design will be updated and improved in the coming few years. this was all sort of rushed and last minute decision making.

[7seven]

the china knock off ones look better imo, even the numbers look badass... clean :hat:


I agree, the knockoff design looks way better.


i'm sure the design will be updated and improved in the coming few years. this was all sort of rushed and last minute decision making.

Rushed?? They didn't have the jersey ready for the draft because they said they were putting in extra time and thought into the design

[RiceIntegraRS]

I think the jets should of went back to the original purple jerseys.
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[shawn79]

I think the jets should of went back to the original purple jerseys.
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:fulloffuck:

[SkinnyPupp]

A better look at them

I posted my initial reaction already, but I think I will reserve final judgement for a bit. So far don't hate them as much as I first did, and I do like the double stripes on the arms.

http://www.icethetics.info/storage/blog11/0906-wpg2011h.png

http://www.icethetics.info/storage/blog11/0906-wpg2011r.png

Looks better than the NYI 3rd jersey, that's for sure

http://www.icethetics.info/storage/blog11/0821-nyi2011a.png

[MR_BIGGS]

I think this may have been asked in the NHL 12 thread, but you guys think the new jerseys will be in the game already or will we have to download a patch or something.

[woob]

The NHL must ban fighting


By JACK TODD, Special to The Gazette September 5, 2011


MONTREAL - Enough is enough. It's time to outlaw fighting in hockey, to put an end to the game's goon culture for once and for all.

Wade Belak's death during the NHL's tragic summer, following the deaths of his fellow enforcers Derek Boogaard and Rick Rypien, should be all it takes. Never mind that we can't prove that the deaths of three gladiators in one season are all linked to their roles as NHL fighters - this isn't a connection you can prove in a courtroom.

But this isn't a courtroom. It's real life, where billiondollar sports leagues need to make their decisions based on real human assessments of risk and consequences.

The toll fighting takes on the fighters is too great. The stress is too much, the constant pain, the accumulated affects of too many punches, too many painkillers, too much alcohol mixed with the painkillers.

If nothing else, the needless deaths of these three young men should give Gary Bettman the political tool he needs to overcome the sizable contingent of Neanderthals who still wield a disproportionate weight in NHL circles.

Don Cherry, the loudest of the bunch, has shamelessly exploited the NHL's goon squad for decades while browbeating anyone who suggests that fighting is a cruel, backward and unnecessary interruption to a beautiful game. That Cherry's statements represent a blatant conflict of interest is lost on his supporters - but Cherry's influence is waning, along with those who once suggested that concussions were just a part of the game and hits to the head no big deal.

With Brendan Shanahan bringing to his role a respect Colin Campbell could never command, this is the perfect time for Bettman to act.

Whatever could once be said to justify fighting, it is no longer part of the flow of the game. Fights are staged bouts between paid gladiators which have little or no impact on the game. It's not a matter of Dave Schultz knocking out John Van Boxmeer because Van Boxmeer had the impunity to hit Bobby Clarke.

That sort of intimidation, rightly or wrongly, had an impact on the outcome of hockey games. The Flyers' backto-back Stanley Cups in the 1970s were the direct outcome of the sort of the terror tactics they brought to the ice - and it wasn't until the Canadiens could push back with Pierre Bouchard and Rick Chartraw and others that they were able to reassert their dominance.

Fighters no longer play an integral role. Today, their fights are little more than unwelcome interruptions. They fight, the game is delayed, as often as not there is no clear winner. There is some cheering and posturing, the gloves and helmets are gathered up and the game goes on. What is the point?

I am not immune to the pulse-pounding excitement of a good hockey fight. The whupping Larry Robinson laid on Schultz would have to rank as my most memorable hockey moment, ahead of the Summit Series and everything else, perhaps because I was lucky enough to be at the Forum when it happened.

Fighting has changed and the fighters have changed. When Robinson was embarrassing Schultz, Robinson was a slender 6-foot-3. Zdeno Chara, the nearest thing to Robinson in this era, is 6-foot-9 and 255 chiselled pounds. Look at the footage of him tossing Bryan McCabe around like a rag doll and you have some idea what his opponents are dealing with.

Chara's fight with Raitis Ivanans clearly indicates the risk to today's fighters: Chara threw three, perhaps four punches, the last shattering Ivanans's orbital bone as the big Latvian went down. That punch could have been fatal. One of these days, a punch will kill or permanently injure someone on the ice: these guys are too big, too strong, too fit - and they don't have the minimal protection of boxing gloves.

Too many repeat endlessly the same mantra, "fighting will always be part of the game," as though it results from divine decree or a force of nature that can't be altered.

That is patently ridiculous. All the NHL has to do to end fighting is to outlaw it. Each fight brings an automatic game misconduct and a three-game suspension, more for repeat offenders.

The defenders of fighting will argue that a fast, passionate, violent game somehow requires fighting - but if the NFL and CFL do not allow fighting, then it has no place in hockey. Football is fast, passionate and more violent than hockey, so if those big hulks can coexist on the field without duking it out, so can hockey players.

As long as the NHL permits fighting, it will be a bit bushleague, with one skate in the big-time and the other firmly planted in roller derby. The league is growing up in the way it is beginning to deal in a meaningful way with concussions and the awful toll they take on its talent. (You need look no further than the probable end of Marc Savard's career to know how serious the concussion issue is.)

Now it's time to move on and to put an end to fighting. Call it the Wade Belak Rule if you like. If his death can help bring about an end to fighting in the NHL, then something good might come of what is otherwise a senseless, heartbending tragedy, the death of a father of two young girls at a time that should have been the prime of his life.

jacktodd46@yahoo.com
© Copyright (c) The Montreal Gazette

Suffice it say... I disagree.

[tubbyboi]

It kinda worked leading upto the finals, the reason the canucks lost is because they can't hit for shit
Also luongo is a waste of money, out performed by tim thomas who probably gets paid 1/3 of what luongo gets paid
Trade luongo for a solid scoring power forward and use schneider <- he's a fucking beast
I'm not even a canucks fan but they're my hometown team, no physical presence = no cup
Simple as that
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YOU ARE THE WORST. Really YOU ARE. Please get you're facts straight before you start blabbing.

Please let me remind you of a time when we didn't have luongo, ohhh YES we were SOOOOO GREAT. So many great goalies after kirk mclean right? Dan Cloutier sure as well took us to the Stanley Cup Finals. Schneider is a great prospect but as many of you idiots wanna believe that he's the next big thing, he hasn't proven shit by playing part time. When you go from BACK UP to STARTING GOALIE, a lot changes..so even to compare the BOTH is just ridiculous. I'm not saying he's not gonna be great but we really don't know yet. If you don't remember, Schneider made great saves but some STUPID ones during the playoffs as well (cough coming out of the net not once but twice and getting caught for it). CASE CLOSED.

We finally got ourselves a proven goaltender and you want to trade the guy? You can't win em all buddie. We were ONE game away from being Stanley Cup Champs and you wanna trade away what our team was BUILT around. :failed: Please go watch the leafs and maybe, just MAYBE you'll enjoy the Canucks a lil more.

[Hondaracer]

Schneider should be able to fetch a first round pick if what's his name from Washington could do it
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[jeedee]

Schneider should be able to fetch a first round pick if what's his name from Washington could do it
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Varlamov :lol

Ive been reading that schneider for doan straight up could work (at the deadline if phx is out of contention). Phx needs a goaltender and we need a powerforward

Stranger trades have happened in the past and i wouldnt be surprised with this trade

[Hondaracer]

Doan is finished, I'd rather have a young potential power forward then him..hell I'd rather have another top 4 dman than doan
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[411ken]

For some reason, that Jets jersey reminds me of this

http://bigmouthsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/hnic-logo.jpg

[MR_BIGGS]

Schinds will have more trade value when this season is done.

[b0unce. [?]]

Schinds will have more trade value when this season is done.

me wants a consistent + clutch player ^^:fullofwin:

[JesseBlue]

people from winnepeg should just buy the knockoffs...then the jets will be forced into changing em to those version...hehe...

[MG1]

Canucks Training Camp opens Sept. 16th
The Canucks 2011 Training Camp opens on Friday, September 16th at Rogers Arena. On-ice practice sessions are open to the public from September 17-18th, with doors opening at 8:30am each day.

http://canucks.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=587763

[StylinRed]

jets jersey is :Puke:

surprised the knockoffs were already out last week and they supposedly kept the jerseys on tight lockdown

[tubbyboi]

Schinds will have more trade value when this season is done.

I believe his contract is over. Trade deadline is when his value would be good if he has comparable numbers to last year. I wouldn't trade him for a first round pick though unless it was a high pick and we can fetch someone thats gonna make a direct impact. He was a 1st round pick as well, so all that time we spent developing was a waste if we trade him for a late 1st.

[EmperorIS]

LEAF SUCKS

[MG1]

LEAF SUCKS

Leafs Suck


sounds better....................


And, no, they don't. They blow or mulch.

I have a Yardworks blower/mulcher from Canadian Tire and it sucks.

[CRS]

I believe his contract is over. Trade deadline is when his value would be good if he has comparable numbers to last year. I wouldn't trade him for a first round pick though unless it was a high pick and we can fetch someone thats gonna make a direct impact. He was a 1st round pick as well, so all that time we spent developing was a waste if we trade him for a late 1st.

Actually, he becomes an RFA. He still has value and teams will need to offer sheet him to get him but that's luck of the draw right there.

We could have a Phil Kessel type situation if we decided to keep him.

[Vansterdam]

russian jet carrying KHL team Locomotiv crashes killing 36 people

[7seven]

russian jet carrying KHL team Locomotiv crashes killing 36 people

Heard this morning, horrible news. Pavol Demitra, Josef Vasicek and Ruslan Salei play on Lokomotiv :(


[Updated at 9:25 a.m.] A Russian Emergency Situations Ministry representative said there were 37 people aboard a plane that crashed, including four crew members.

Preliminary information indicates 36 died and one is missing, the ministry said.

However, the Russian Federal Aviation Agency said three people had survived the crash and that their condition was critical.

[Updated at 9:11 a.m.] The Yak-42 aircraft was taking members of a hockey team to Minsk, the Belarusian capital, the state-run RIA Novosti news agency reported.

[Posted at 9:02 a.m.] A plane crashed as it took off from Russia's Yaroslavl airport, killing 36 people, Russian news agencies report.

The Yak-42 aircraft belonged to Yak-Service Airlines, the aviation authority told Interfax news agency.

Yaroslavl is located northeast of Moscow.

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/07/reports-plane-crashes-during-takeoff-in-russia-killing-36/


This has been the worst off season yet, with all the hockey related deaths. I know during his time here, Demitra was a popular whipping boy for the fans, but he was really such a skilled hockey player throughout his NHL career and definitely showed it during the 2010 Olympics. He was also a great guy, teammate and avid car enthusiast too.


A passenger jet carrying a KHL hockey team has crashed while taking off in western Russia, killing 36 people, according to the country's emergency situations ministry.

The ministry's regional branch said the Yak-42 plane carrying the Lokomotiv Yaroslavl team crashed Wednesday after leaving an airport near the city of Yaroslavl, on the Volga River northeast of Moscow. It said at least one person has survived but is injured.


Russia Today reported on its website that several of the victims were foreign players for the club, but the news agency did not list any names.

The team's website lists Canadian Brad McCrimmon, a former NHL player, as head coach, and says the team includes two Canadian players with NHL appearances — Ramzi Abid and Riley Armstrong, brother of Toronto Maple Leafs forward Colby Armstrong.

The team's 2011 roster also includes former Vancouver Canuck Pavol Demitra and former Ottawa Senator Karel Rachunek, as well as former NHLers Josef Vasicek and Karlis Skrastins.

But it is unclear whether any of those players were on board the plane that crashed Wednesday.

The team was heading to Minsk, the capital of Belarus, where it was to play Thursday against Dinamo Minsk in the opening game of the season of the Kontinental Hockey League.

The KHL is a league of several ex-Soviet nations that has attracted a number of NHL players to Russia in recent years.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2011/09/07/russia-plane-crash.html

[Vansterdam]

did everyone die? hope pavol survived

[jeedee]

"@TSNBobMcKenzie: Russian authorities reporting 36 dead and one criticially injured on downed plane that was carrying the KHL's Lokomotiv team."

"@dchesnokov: Lokomotiv official tells Sovetsky Sport "everyone from the main roster was on the plane + 4 players from the youth team.""

"@dchesnokov: Some Russian authorities are reporting one survivor, others are saying there are three. There were 37 total on board including the crew."

"@dchesnokov: Lokomotiv official said the entire team was on the plane because they were traveling for the 1st game of the season, a celebration."

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[7seven]

did everyone die? hope pavol survived

Reports are still coming but right now it appears the whole team, including staff have died except for Alexandre Galimov, who according to Russian media has been transported to hospital in critical condition.

[RiceIntegraRS]

Im sure everyone has asked this question before. What would happen if a professional sports team was wiped out in a plane crash. RIP to everyone.

[Watercloset]

Plane carrying KHL team crashes, killing 43 (http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=375297)

Plane crash kills ‘majority’ of KHL team Lokomotiv - Puck Daddy - NHL Blog - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Report-Plane-crash-kills-8216-majority-8217-?urn=nhl-wp11993)

[MR_BIGGS]

Sad news this morning, hopefully Sidney Crosby brings some good news with him at his press conference at 9am pst.

[7seven]

From CNN

An aviation agency spokesman, Sergei Izvolsky, told CNN the crash occurred around 4 p.m. (8 a.m. ET) during take-off because the plane couldn't reach a safe altitude fast enough.

The aircraft collided with the antenna of the airport beacon, fell to the ground and broke into several pieces and caught fire, Izvolsky said.


Colby Armstrong's brother Riley, signed with Lokomotiv, but was not in Russia yet
rilesarmy Riley Armstrong
by TSNBobMcKenzie
Hey I was not on the KHL flight im attending St johns camp
13 minutes ago

It's also reported now that Ruslan Salei was not on board as he was already in Minsk waiting for the team to arrive.

[Not really racist!]

dammit!!

RIP pavol and the rest of the team

[PinoyDrifta]

RIP to the whole team! this is a sad year for hockey.

[kayceeee]

"@News1130radio: RT @mirtle: Pavol Demitra's agent confirms that the former NHLer has been killed in the crash in Russia."
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[jeedee]

"@dchesnokov: Neurologists are now saying Galimov (the player-survivor) is unlikely to survive his injuries even after the surgery. Docs keep fighting"

"@dchesnokov: Also, @plysenkov is reporting the KHL will NOT halt the season, and games are scheduled to be played tomorrow."

"@wyshynski: 31 bodies recovered from Lokomotiv plane crash, according to Russia Today"
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[murd0c]

What a shitty ass summer for hockey players RIP :(

[Nvasion]

rip

[sonick]

Fuuuuu Demitra :(

[dignatas]

RIP demitra.. best player in the 2010 olympics... RIP buddy

[Greenstoner]

Dont think Demitra was confirmed but very high chance he is on the plane



nvm: just scrolled up and saw the twitter

[dignatas]

Dont think Demitra was confirmed but very high chance he is on the plane



nvm: just scrolled up and saw the twitter

he is confirmed on sportsnet if that is a reliable source :/

[mb_]

Dmitry Chesnokov:

As we updated on Puck Daddy, Russia-24 TV channel is reporting that Alexander Galimov who survived the crash, has passed away.

RIP Demitra. Can't believe I had to type those words out again.

[Ch28]

KHL club Yaroslavl Lokomotiv wiped out by plane crash (updated) | Edmonton Journal (http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2011/09/07/khl-club-yaroslavl-lokomotiv-wiped-out-by-plane-crash/)

UPDATE: Latest reports have 45 people on board the Yak-42 plane including eight crew, with 43 now reported dead. Multiple reports identify player Alexander Galimov as a survivor, but in critical condition. CBC News briefly but erroneously identified Canadian player Riley Armstrong (brother of Colby) as having been on board, but the player has himself confirmed on Twitter that he is in Canada, alive and well if badly shaken. While reporting of such details is chaotic at best and irresponsible at worst, the overarching story is clear enough. A tragic day.

UPDATE from Peter Adler: Herewith the list of those who were aboard the Yak-42 plane that crashed Wednesday, killing the entire Lokomotiv Yaroslavl team of the KHL … Igor Kuperman just told me he just yesterday wished his best friend Igor Korolev a happy birthday …

Coaches: Brad McCrimmon, Igor Korolev, Alexander Karpovtsev, Nikolai Krivonosov, Jorma Valtonen.

Goalies: Stefan Liv, Alexander Vyukhin.

Defence: Pavel Tarkhanov, Karel Rachůnek, Robert Ditrich, Ruslan Salei, Karlis Skrastins, Michail Baladnin, Vitalij Anikeyenko, Marat Kalimulin, Jurij Urichev.

Forwards: Alexander Galimov, Daniil Sobchenko, Jan Marek, Ivan Tkachenko, Alexander Vasiunov, Gennady Churilov, Nikita Klyukin, Alexander Kalyanin, Sergei Ostapchuk, Pavol Demitra, Josef Vašíček, Artyom Jarchuk, Alexander Romanovskyi, Andrej Kiryukhin.

Crew: Andrei Solomentsev (captain), Igor Zhevelov (first officer), Sergei Zhuravlev, Elena Formatova, Nadezhda Maksomova, ? Muzacharov, ? Salin, ? Mayushkin, Alexander Sizov.

[krazynuck]

Very sad news....RIP

[spoon.ek9]

sigh... RIP demitra and the rest of Lokomotiv. such a sad day, what a waste of life.

[Tim Budong]

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lr5t4yXTUk1qgx6g9o1_500.jpg

[clowe]

RIP Pavol...what a sad, sad offseason for the hockey world :(

[Tim Budong]

gonna take step back
Crosby not cleared for contact..watching presser now

Dr Collins says Crosby isn't close to being cleared for contact. Says when he's ready they will know.

[hotjoint]

damn that really sucks RIP horrible off season for hockey

[7seven]

A bunch of the Sabres were gathered for an informal skate today when the news of the crash was broken to them, they were hit pretty hard as Vasicek was Vanek's brother in law and Boyes and Hecht were good friends with Demitra from their St. Louis days.


Gaborik also taking this really hard, was best friends with Demitra and Boogard (who died earlier this summer).

[7seven]

Interesting....

NHL bylaws cover worst-case scenarios


TORSTAR NEWS SERVICE
Published: June 08, 2009 1:25 a.m.
Last modified: June 08, 2009 1:28 a.m.


It’s horrible to consider — a plane crash wipes out an entire NHL team — but the league has thought about it nonetheless.

That’s why the league requires teams to have a $1-million (all figures US) insurance policy on each player, one of the provisos in the NHL bylaws made public over the weekend in court filings regarding the bankruptcy of the Phoenix Coyotes.

If a team is left with fewer than 14 players and one goaltender following some sort of catastrophe, the league sets in motion its Emergency Rehabilitation Plan.

First, the “disabled team” would be allowed to negotiate to buy players under contract from other teams, with payment coming from the insurance money.

If that didn’t fill out the roster, a draft would be held, much like an expansion draft. Teams could protect 10 players and one goalie.

The disabled team would be allowed to take no more than one player from each of the other teams. The price for each player is $1 million in insurance money.

Other league bylaws
• Any league member who has “wilfully breached” the league’s constitution, bylaws, rules or collective bargaining agreement can be fined $1 million.

• Team officials face a $150,000 fine for making “detrimental” comments regarding expansion.

• Team officials face a $250,000 fine for publicly disclosing the league’s position on collective bargaining with the players’ union.

• Teams face a $1-million fine for offering bonus money to players outside their contracts.

• Any member of a team who conspires to lose can be fined, suspended or expelled from the league.

• Betting on hockey by players, officials, team executives and league staff is prohibited.


http://www.metronews.ca/edmonton/sports/article/241904--nhl-bylaws-cover-worst-case-scenarios

[shawn79]

scary moment in the world of hockey, hope this make NHL players rethink about going to the KHL

[InvisibleSoul]

scary moment in the world of hockey, hope this make NHL players rethink about going to the KHL
Because plane crashes only happen in Russia?

[Gumby]

scary moment in the world of hockey, hope this make NHL players rethink about going to the KHL
:facepalm:

[Tim Budong]

more or less Russia as a country needs to take a good look on their air safety traffic

[TouringTeg]

more or less Russia as a country needs to take a good look on their air safety traffic


QFT. The UK does not even allow Russian planes to enter their air space.

[LSF22]

RIP <--can't believe I've said this again this summer. :(

[shawn79]

stop failing me :okay:

[see.lai]

RIP pavol demitra.. :okay:

Demitra killed in plane crash - Canucks Community (http://forum.canucks.com/topic/313623-demitra-killed-in-plane-crash/)


Canucks statement on the passing of Pavol Demitra - Vancouver Canucks - News (http://canucks.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=587830&navid=DL|VAN|home)

[b0unce. [?]]

Wow this is just a incredibly sad off season :(
RIP Pavol and the rest of the team.

[7seven]

scary moment in the world of hockey, hope this make NHL players rethink about going to the KHL

A plane crash can happen anywhere, but what might cause some players to rethink the KHL is how they handle this situation.

In the NHL, all players contracts have to be insured, so that if anything does happen to the player in event of death or career ending injury, they or their family are payed out. Not sure if the KHL had insurance coverage as I don't believe there is a players union in the KHL and the league itself was facing some financial hardships with contracts not being payed and late paycheques.


The above and the Cherepanov incident where the arena did not have proper medical equipment or staff to save his life might cause players to reconsider the KHL, not a plane crash.

[InvisibleSoul]

Looks like rumours of Ruslan Salei not being on the plane are untrue. :(

[Gumby]

stop failing me :okay:
I have removed my Fail based on 7seven's explanation. So you should give him a "Thanks". :)

[clowe]

RIP Lokomotiv: Footage from the scene of deadly plane crash site - YouTube

RIP Demo :(

[7seven]

For those wondering, something similar to this has happened in North America. In 1970, the plane carrying the Marshall University Football team crashed and killed all 37 players and 5 coaches aboard the plane.

[Ch28]

For those wondering, something similar to this has happened in North America. In 1970, the plane carrying the Marshall University Football team crashed and killed all 37 players and 5 coaches aboard the plane.

They made a movie on it - We Are Marshall (2006)

We Are Marshall (2006) - IMDb@@AMEPARAM@@http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTQwNDczNTg5MF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwNDMwMzEzMw@@._ V1._SX95_SY140_.jpg@@AMEPARAM@@BMTQwNDczNTg5MF5BMl 5BanBnXkFtZTcwNDMwMzEzMw@@@@AMEPARAM@@SX95@@AMEPAR AM@@SY140

Great movie BTW

[mako]

For those needing a hockey fix:

The Vancouver Canucks in partnership with Rogers Sportsnet are delighted to announce that Rogers Sportsnet will broadcast two games of the 2011 Canucks Young Stars Tournament on September 11th and 12th. All eight games will be streamed live on Canucks.com and sportsnet.ca.
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[Tim Budong]

Mike Gillis Hit Hard By Lokomotiv News

Canucks' Gillis hit hard by Lokomotiv tragedy (http://www.theprovince.com/sports/Canucks+Gillis+hard+Lokomotiv+tragedy/5366176/story.html)

It never seems to end for Vancouver Canucks general manager Mike Gillis, he being hit particularly hard with the news of the Russian plane crash Wednesday morning.

Not only did he lose former client and good friend Pavol Demitra in the hideous tragedy, another close friend and former teammate Brad McCrimmon was coaching the Locomotiv team.

McCrimmon and Gillis were born within four months of each other and while they were taken in different drafts, both ended up in Boston together playing as young kids who didn't see much ice time under coach Harry Sinden, which was enough to bond any two people together for life.

“What is there to say really,” said Gillis before sharing a few fond memories of his two friends. “Really, with Rick this summer setting us all back the way it has, what more is there to say.”

Since Gillis has become GM in Vancouver, he's had the death of Luc Bourdon by motocycle accident, Taylor Pyatt's fiance Carly Bragnalo having been killed in Jamaica in a car accident, Rick Rypien's presumed suicide and now two close friends going down in the same plane crash. And we're probably forgetting someone too.

Gillis had not yet spoken to Demitra's wife Maja but had been in communication with the financial people in New York with whom he set up the family with a year ago and they reported that she was in a dreadful state one might well expect. Demitra's son Lucas is a promising skier who loved the North Shore mountains when Demitra played here in Vancouver and younger daughter Zara is also left behind. And the family has already been through the death of another young son Tobias in 2005, he having been Zara's twin.

The two met when Demitra engaged Gillis to be his agent when the player was in St. Louis and they became very good friends over the years given the ins and outs of contract negotiations, moves and counseling that goes on. And that relationship subsequently grew when the two began relating to each other as player and GM when Pavol signed to come to Vancouver. It was one of Demitra's biggest career disappointments that he was unable to do more in Vancouver after Gillis had put himself on the line by signing him to play here. And it was particularly perplexing given the brilliant Olympics he put in for Slovakia while he was playing for the Canucks, Demitra the leading scorer in the tournament but unable to bring that great international talent to bear during his last years in the NHL.

If anything though, Gillis was even closer to McCrimmon, whom he had somewhat taken under his wing recently with respect to career advancement as the former teammate tried to climb the coaching ranks in order to reach the ultimate goal of becoming a head coach in the NHL.

“I was actually surprised he took the Russian job so quickly,” said Gillis being taken somewhat by surprise by his friend's decision to go to the KHL.

Gillis and McCrimmon would see each other and have a chat about old times every time the Canucks would play the Detroit Red Wings which was the team McCrimmon worked for as an assistant to Mike Babcock until he took the job in Russia this summer.

Iit's well known that travel in the KHL is fraught with danger given the long flights, the terrible weather conditions and the dreadful aircraft that are sometimes used by some of these teams looking to cut corners. Former Flames coach Dave King has said when he coached over in Russia his team used an old plane the players referred to as the 'Pterodactyl' because of its age. And given the levels of corruption in the country with respect to tests that are or are not conducted by various transportation officials you certainly have a higher risk level when it comes to travel.

And now with information coming out that the plane may not have been approved for flying to Europe which was the intended destination of the flight, you're looking at the possibility of a whole legal can of worms being opened on top of the human tragedy.

You have to wonder when Gillis and the Canucks are finally going to get through all this.



Read more: Canucks' Gillis hit hard by Lokomotiv tragedy (http://www.theprovince.com/sports/Canucks+Gillis+hard+Lokomotiv+tragedy/5366176/story.html#ixzz1XIxunNJD)

[Harvey Specter]

So many hockey tragedy this past summer.

[sonick]

Since Gillis has become GM in Vancouver, he's had the death of Luc Bourdon by motocycle accident, Taylor Pyatt's fiance Carly Bragnalo having been killed in Jamaica in a car accident, Rick Rypien's presumed suicide and now two close friends going down in the same plane crash.

:fulloffuck:

[spideyv2]

wow...horrible news

RIP Demitra and others

[SumAznGuy]

For those wondering, something similar to this has happened in North America. In 1970, the plane carrying the Marshall University Football team crashed and killed all 37 players and 5 coaches aboard the plane.

I can't remember, but wasn't there a Bronco's team that was on a bus that crashed.
My co-worker just told me it was the Swift Current Bronco's. Joe Sakic was on the team that year.

http://www.greatesthockeylegends.com/2007/04/swift-current-bus-crash-killed-four.html

[Mercy]

Manchester united team also went down in a plane crash in Germany. Many years ago. Rip to all that lost their lives. What a sad day for the sports world.
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[shawn79]

the team was rank 3rd amongs the khl last season 1st in their division

[pure.life]

Manchester united team also went down in a plane crash in Russia. Rip to all that lost their lives. What a sad day for the sports world.
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What the hell. Thats not funny

[Harvey Specter]

Manchester united team also went down in a plane crash in Russia. Rip to all that lost their lives. What a sad day for the sports world.
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:stfu:

[shawn79]

=-
Sergei Ostapchuk's mother died of a heart attack after receiving news of her son's death. Very sad day.

[LSF22]

What the hell. Thats not funny

No one said it was funny...?

[Bouncing Bettys]

Sad day for fans across the league. A lot of former NHLers from around the league died in that crash. Igor Korolev and Alexander Karpovtsev being former Leaf players.

Demitra was a beast in the Olympics and almost managed to knock Canada out of tournament in the semi-finals.

I was hearing on the radio that Demitra paid for his whole team to go out so they could get to know each other before the season started.

[Mercy]

I didn't mean today. It happened in the past. People were saying other teams that went down in horrible crashes no one mentioned Manchester united. Happened quite a few years ago.
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[LSF22]

Manchester united team also went down in a plane crash in Munich, Germany. Rip to all that lost their lives. What a sad day for the sports world.
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Fixed.

[7seven]

I was hearing on the radio that Demitra paid for his whole team to go out so they could get to know each other before the season started.

From all account Demitra was an amazing person, always looking out for others and teammates. He kept in touch with the Canucks even though he was in Russia just checking on how the guys and their families were doing. He was just in Vancouver with his family too in June catching up with everyone and the city. Little stuff like that and hearing stories about him going out of his way to sign autographs and take pictures with fans.

One thing that has bugged me today is some Canucks fans going on about how Demitra sucked in Vancouver. The guy just died today in one of hockey's most tragic events and thats what you focus on? He did put up 50pts in 60ish games, that extremely respectable IMO and his 2nd season, he was hurt most of it and his wife was really ill, so you have to figure when your significant other is really sick, you're going to be distracted at work, no matter if your job is to play hockey or flip burgers.

Lokomotiv Yaroslavl HD - YouTube

Lokomotiv tribute :cry:

[6thGear.]

What a sad event to happen. I hope they all went quietly when it happened. RIP to the whole team.












The hockey universe is turning upside down since the bruins won. I blame them :(

[Hondaracer]

Would be so scary to be in a plane crash leading up to your death :S
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[dignatas]

Manchester united team also went down in a plane crash in Russia. Rip to all that lost their lives. What a sad day for the sports world.
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why the fails? Obviously he meant munich germany in the 70's? i believe. Not today....

[murd0c]

why the fails? Obviously he meant munich germany in the 70's? i believe. Not today....

He should of said that then, cause honestly I was like WTF and went direct to TSN to see if that was the truth...

[SumAznGuy]

In light of what happened today, today is also the birthday for a bunch of former canuck players.
Orland Kurtenbach
Matt Cooke
Gino Odjick
Tony Tanti
Chris Oddleifson

[shawn79]

I hope the NHL will have some sorta patch worn league wide or IIHF for this upcoming season to show sorta respect to the lokomotiv team and some ex nhl players. Although they had tension in the past, the hockey world is small everybody knows everybody.

[SkinnyPupp]

why the fails? Obviously he meant munich germany in the 70's? i believe. Not today....
How was it obvious he meant germany when he said russia? :seriously:

[Mercy]

Sorry that's right it was in Germany. Haven't had much time to post and check facts but I should have been more clear in my initial post.
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[noots]

here's (http://achicksperspective.wordpress.com/2011/09/07/reality-check/) a sad story of a woman dealing with the Skrastins family.

:cry:

[LSF22]

On a lighter note, Vancouver Canucks sign Manny Legace and Steve Begin to PTO's

Canucks sign Legace, Begin to professional tryouts (http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=375317)

[MR_BIGGS]

Stanley Cup hangover coming to Boston??

http://bostonherald.com/track/inside_track/view.bg?articleid=1363964&position=0

The Boston Herald reported on Wednesday that a "highly intoxicated and hostile" Lucic and his girlfriend (HeraldSpeak: "galpal") got into a public tiff in the North End of Boston. Police questioned them, there was no physical assault or harm done. Which is a refreshing change of pace from, you know, every other time you hear a professional athlete — or a blustery moron in the sports media — got into a public spat with his girlfriend.

There was one troubling aspect of the report by the Herald's Gayle Fee and Laura Raposa (with Megan Johnson!) about the Boston Bruins forward, and something that might have to be added to the Things We Overlook About Lucic file:

Police questioned Lucic outside his condo and he told them: "My girlfriend is upstairs. We had an argument. We're fine. Why are you here at my house?"

As the officer continued to question Lucic, he "slammed his cell phone to the ground and yelled 'Do you know who I am?' " the police report states. At which point, the officer asked for identification and Lucic produced an ID from Vancouver, Canada.



:fuckthatshit:

[7seven]

Oreo officially resigned with Canucks

[SkinnyPupp]

As the officer continued to question Lucic, he "slammed his cell phone to the ground and yelled 'Do you know who I am?'

Yeah, a fucking douche.

[Hondaracer]

Lol it was funny/weak when pat Kane played the "do you know who I am" lucic is a nobody plug compared to Kane
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[shawn79]

kane is a bigger name than ovechkin when it comes to autograph, cards etc... value is pretty high up

[InvisibleSoul]

here's (http://achicksperspective.wordpress.com/2011/09/07/reality-check/) a sad story of a woman dealing with the Skrastins family.

:cry:
Heartbreaking.

[will068]

Stanley Cup hangover coming to Boston??

Cops check in after Milan Lucic&rsquo;s face-off with galpal - BostonHerald.com (http://bostonherald.com/track/inside_track/view.bg?articleid=1363964&position=0)



:fuckthatshit:

Perhaps if he was a Football, baseball, or basketball player, they would know who he is. This guy must be living in a bubble.

[shawn79]

Rocky mountain sports just told me they will be doing a pavel bure signing

:high:

[Tim Budong]

Rocky mountain sports just told me they will be doing a pavel bure signing

:high:

Fuck u
:fullofwin:

BUT..if they were to send Bure to the Ring...then maybe
but still shawn..

fuck u
HAHA

[shawn79]

why u mad?

[Tim Budong]

why u mad?

becuz ur shawn79
i have every reason to troll u
LOL

[shawn79]

:okay:

Items will be shipped to califonia where pavel will be signing at his brothers house. RMS will need minimum 300 items.

[Ch28]

:okay:

Items will be shipped to califonia where pavel will be signing at his brothers house. RMS will need minimum 300 items.

No pic with the best Canuck ever, no care

[Tim Budong]

:okay:

Items will be shipped to califonia where pavel will be signing at his brothers house. RMS will need minimum 300 items.

now why u gotta be

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3tMmPuz1hGg/Tg3gk-yQZcI/AAAAAAAABDA/Uvg3jfUsgB4/s320/debbie%2Bdowner.jpg

[shawn79]

feels bad to get trolled
http://fail.brm.sk/ragin_n_trollin/sad_troll.png

[shawn79]

No pic with the best Canuck ever, no care
Prob one of the best bure photo out there
http://i54.tinypic.com/2hnxoqp.jpg

[SumAznGuy]

I have a pic of Bure taking a slap shop and you can see the stick bowed. That is my favourate pic of him.

[Gh0stRider]

i had this card

http://www.teamradio.ca/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/news-canucks-pavel-and-valeri.jpg

[dbaz]

^i have that and his rookie card autographed by him :)

[trip]

i have a bunch of bure autographed cards

now i cant find them :(

[shawn79]

http://i53.tinypic.com/25g5v2u.jpg

[BlackZRoadster]

here's (http://achicksperspective.wordpress.com/2011/09/07/reality-check/) a sad story of a woman dealing with the Skrastins family.

:cry:

really want to read the story, but the person has removed that story:okay:

[jeedee]

Prob one of the best bure photo out there
http://i54.tinypic.com/2hnxoqp.jpg

naw this is hands down the best:

http://withfriendship.com/images/i/41834/pavel-bure.jpg

[noots]

really want to read the story, but the person has removed that story:okay:

Basically it was about a woman that works in a shuttle service to pick up and drop people off at the airport. She got to this one house early so she was browsing on FB on her phone while parked a couple blocks away. She noticed a couple of updates about the plane crash while waiting but didn't think too much about it. When the pickup time came, she went to go look at the traveler information. The name only said "Skrastins" and that they were associated with the Dallas Stars. She didn't know who it was so she googled the name and then she was shocked when she realized she was picking up the family of one of the hockey players involved in the plane crash.

She was told NOT to offer condolences as the two daughters weren't told yet. The mother-in-law(?) was entertaining the kids during the ride while the widow was on the phone the entire time speaking in a foreign language. The driver couldn't understand what she was saying but she could feel the pain the widow had in her voice. As she dropped them off, the two girls seemed excited about going to Europe (probably because their dad hadn't been home for a while) not knowing that their dad had actually died.

The driver could barely hold in when she was driving them but she broke down and cried in the open as soon as the family left.

[411ken]

^ WOW...that story is heartbreaking.. damn :(

[punkwax]

Ug, so sad.

[punkwax]

LOL @ Bure in the fruit boots. I think everyone had that card.

Also, he should've remained # 10. Oddly enough I feel if he had, the jersey would have been easier to retire.. maybe that's just me?

[Grandmaster TSE]

i had this card

http://www.teamradio.ca/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/news-canucks-pavel-and-valeri.jpg

i see your card, and raise you this...

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0XTsSbguLu0/Srol-VeQXUI/AAAAAAAADoM/lZXIHG_lZ_0/s400/1991UpperDeck054.jpg

[jeedee]

A memorial will be setup for Pavol Demitra at the Roger Neilson statue this Saturday 10AM-4PM.

[Hondaracer]

the fucking russian reenactment of the flight taking off is fucking brutal, overshot the runway for takeoff by 400 feet and still attempted to pull up only to hit the tower

[Gumby]

Wow, it appears that Kyle Wellwood signed a 1 year contract for $700k with the Winnipeg Jets!

[b0unce. [?]]

Oh golly gosh, not kyle wellwood! whatever will we do??

[Ronin]

Did anyone else hear David Pratt is leaving TEAM1040? Pratt and Taylor is the only reason to listen apart from Canucks games.

[Bonka]

No wonder he hasn't been on the air this week. TEAMRadio website has also taken the show off the program guide.

Apparently there are rumours that Taylor will be gone too. Damn, they compliment each other well.

Recent afternoon commutes have become unbearable without those two..
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[LUUUUUUUU]

don't really like pratt... prefer bmac or rintoul

[7seven]

Did anyone else hear David Pratt is leaving TEAM1040? Pratt and Taylor is the only reason to listen apart from Canucks games.

NHL camps are opening across the continent soon, and all eyes are on Vancouver, where the Canucks are welcoming back members of a team that went to Game 7 of the Stanley Cup Finals. One notable figure in the Vancouver hockey scene was supposed to return on Tuesday, too, but when the TEAM 1040’s afternoon drive show started, host David Pratt was nowhere to be heard.

As the popular program began, Jeff Patterson sat in for Pratt. There were no audio stings identifying the highly rated Pratt & (Don) Taylor duo, who were due to kick off a new season Tuesday. Staff at the radio station had already been told that Pratt and the station are in a contractual impasse, but nothing was to be discussed publicly. Pratt, who’s been a Vancouver radio figure during almost three decades, feels he’s in the same league as the lucrative contracts handed out by CHUM to Mike Richards at TSN Radio 1050 and by Rogers to Bob McCown of The Fan 590.

The station apparently feels otherwise. Pratt, once an original TSN host, has gone to the mattress successfully in the past over his contract. But insiders suggest this time might be different with new managers in place. Despite the powerful ratings for the show during the Canucks’ spring run, radio observers believe that if Pratt has any leverage, he may have to use it soon.

James Stuart, general manager of the Team 1040, tells Usual Suspects, “At this point, I have no public comment to make on the situation.” David Pratt has not returned requests for comment.

Update on Team 1040: Ray Ferraro, who co-hosted the station’s morning drive show with Scott Rintoul, is taking a reduced load as he steps into Pierre McGuire’s role at TSN on a three-year contract. Ferraro will do a half-hour show daily with Team 1040, plus appearances on the other CHUM sports stations in Montreal, Toronto, Ottawa and Winnipeg. In addition to his NHL role, Ferraro also steps into McGuire’s role at the World Junior Hockey Championships in Alberta over the Christmas/New Year’s holiday.

Five ways TSN Radio can become more distinctive - The Globe and Mail (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/bruce-dowbiggin/five-ways-tsn-radio-can-become-more-distinctive/article2156739/)

[SkinnyPupp]

Wonder if Pratt pissed off Aquilini and got himself fired like Tommy

[MR_BIGGS]

I really use to enjoy listening to Pratt and Taylor. The shoutouts Taylor would give to his highschool and North Bby made me a fan right away. I wasn't able to listen to them as much this past season, but when I did, Pratt was always going off about political issues like the bike lanes. It made for good radio, maybe not sports radio, but it was entertaining. Hopefully he stays.

[Hondaracer]

^ lol wouldn't doubt it although Pratt and gillis seemed to get along pretty good

So funny, what a hit to pratts ego when he's on the radio publicly saying the mccowen signing is the standard for his contract and now he's out of a job lol
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[sonick]

i see your card, and raise you this...

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0XTsSbguLu0/Srol-VeQXUI/AAAAAAAADoM/lZXIHG_lZ_0/s400/1991UpperDeck054.jpg

I prefer this one

http://hockeygods.com/system/gallery_images/6818/normal.jpg

:fullofwin: :troll:

[7seven]

A pretty good read, gives an insight into the minds of some fringe NHL enforcers

NHL enforcer Todd Fedoruk fighting drug abuse

VOORHEES, N.J. (AP)—As rain washed over him, Todd Fedoruk(notes) stumbled on the streets of Tampa in his latest haze, this one ignited by a concoction of booze and cocaine.

His secret, reckless lifestyle had fueled his transformation from NHL enforcer to a junkie hooked on cocaine and marijuana that threw his life and career into jeopardy. Fedoruk had been in this dark place before, believing he beat his addiction the first time with the same steely will he needed to scrape with the baddest bullies in the league to earn his keep in the NHL.

Yet here he was, back socializing with the wrong crowds, patronizing the seedy part of towns, hustling for whatever type of drugs he could abuse. On a rainy pre-dawn trip after the 2010 season, a disgraced Fedoruk had nowhere to hide.

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“I didn’t want to drive anywhere because I was loaded,” he said. “I couldn’t stay in the house because I was paranoid. All the insanity came back.

“I knew everything was coming to an end. I didn’t care about hockey anymore. I didn’t care about my family. I was struck with this feeling of, how the hell did I get back here after everything I’ve been though? How the hell did I get back in this position again?”

He needed help. Drug addiction was not a disease he could fight alone.

Sitting in an NHL locker room, drinking a cup of coffee, Fedoruk now believes he’s one of the lucky ones. In a summer that has the NHL reeling from three chilling deaths of noted tough guys, Fedoruk is alive to share his story.

“A lot of guys in my role,” he said, “kind of carry these demons around with them.”

Guys like Derek Boogaard(notes).

The first time Fedoruk met Boogaard, they were teenage prospects in Regina, Saskatchewan. Fedoruk, four years older, saw a kid who couldn’t skate, couldn’t fight a lick, yet had already grown into his 200-plus-pound frame that would serve him well as one of the league’s top instigators.

Boogaard and Fedoruk would meet up again in the NHL under more unruly circumstances.

The first time they brawled in 2005—Boogaard with Minnesota and Fedoruk with Anaheim—it resembled the scene out of one of those cartoon dust clouds. Each player got in shots, jerseys were yanked over heads, and helmets went flying before the officials broke it up.

On Oct. 27, 2006, they had the rematch. Boogaard threw a couple of jabs at Fedoruk’s face during what at first appeared just a replay between two men who made a living as guardians of the game.

Boogaard, though, ended the fight like it was Tyson-Spinks when he dropped Fedoruk with a punishing right hand. Fedoruk clutched his face and dropped to his knees before quickly popping back up and skating back to the locker room. Boogaard raised his arm in victory as he skated to the penalty box and an appreciative Wild crowd roared in approval.

Fedoruk needed five plates on the right side of his face to recover from the beating and missed 18 games. He returned to the lineup in December and kept fighting—even after removing his face shield. Faces can always be repaired. Reputations as a soft player are harder to overcome in the rough-and-tumble NHL.

Even with titanium plates in his face, Fedoruk wasn’t about to fall off the wagon. He had been clean for nearly six years and had been scared straight when his first organization, the Philadelphia Flyers, ordered him to rehabilitation.

It wasn’t until Fedoruk found himself playing for Minnesota—and formed an unlikely alliance—that the sober ship started to steer off course.

The Wild claimed Fedoruk off waivers in 2007 and assigned him a conjoined stall with Boogaard. Boogaard dressed to the immediate right of his one-time victim. Fedoruk eased tension in the locker room among his new teammates with humor.

“I said I didn’t feel comfortable with him on my right side. I asked if he wanted to switch stalls,” Fedoruk said. “He chuckled and he laughed at it. It was kind of an icebreaker.”

The pairing also started a budding friendship.

Boogaard apologized repeatedly to his friend through the years for the attack and the duo became late-night running buddies. They were roommates and vacationed together. They forged a bond based on a common background, common goals—and a shared knack of self-destructive behavior.

Boogaard carried those demons Fedoruk described and partied hard. Fedoruk went harder. He relapsed during the 2006-07 season and plummeted deeper into the abyss of addiction each year, hitting a peak in Minnesota, even as he knew Boogaard was battling his own personal troubles.

“I don’t think we were good for each other,” Fedoruk said. “We had a common ‘misery loves company’ type of relationship. I remember always talking to him about being careful.

“But it was the pot calling the kettle black because I was messed up, too.”

As Fedoruk bounced from Phoenix to Tampa Bay, he stayed in touch with Boogaard. He heard Boogaard was in rehabilitation and reached out to his troubled friend, hoping he could offer the type of advice he was longing for through his own journey.

It was too late. Fedoruk talked to Boogaard’s brother, but that was as close as he got to Boogey.

Boogaard was found dead in May due to an accidental mix of alcohol and the painkiller oxycodone. His death gave Fedoruk the kind of scare he wouldn’t get on his loneliest, drug-addled nights. It could have been him.

“I was doing,” Fedoruk said, “the exact same things.”

With his blond hair, blue eyes and good-natured personality, Fedoruk could pass as the All-American boy if you didn’t know he was from western Canada. Fedoruk was raised in Redwater, Alberta, a small farming community where hockey was the only way for him to escape boredom. He beams as he talks about skating down roads to three rinks created in empty lots for the neighborhood kids. How fathers competed to create the best rink—his dad affixed lights to metal poles — so kids could stay outside and play hockey through the winter chill all night long.

As he got older, there were more hazardous ways to pass the time than with a stick and puck.

He remembers being 14 or 15 years old, hanging with a group of older teens when he got drunk for the first time. A shy kid, Fedoruk was suddenly the center of attention. His social fears and anxieties evaporated one sip at a time. His idea of an alcoholic was some bum under a bridge with a brown bag in his hands, not a blossoming hockey star with his eyes on the NHL.

“What booze did for me at that age, I fell in love with it instantly,” Fedoruk said. “What I felt that night stayed with me forever. I had found a new friend. And it was alcohol.”

He could have used a more pious sidekick. Fedoruk’s drinking increased and he spent a night in jail at 19 because of a bar fight directly related to his alcohol consumption.

Fedoruk moved on to harder partying and later nights. His drinking morphed from casual fun to an addiction. That didn’t prevent him from getting drafted. The Flyers made him a seventh-round pick in the 1997 draft.

What drinking did was halt his promotion to the NHL. He was out of control at 20 when the Flyers gave him an ultimatum: Get help or he’d be sent packing.

Fedoruk did what he could to salvage his career and got clean. He checked in to Marworth in Waverly, Pa., for alcohol and chemical dependency treatment. He was admitted for a 28-day stay, but was let out after only 17 days.

Fedoruk always felt like he didn’t fit in and was socially awkward around people. At Marworth, he found answers and ways to cope that didn’t involve hitting the bottle.

For almost six years, he found a new friend in sobriety. He was promoted to Philadelphia and played 53 games as a rookie. He played four seasons with the Flyers, then won a championship with their AHL team during the lockout.

His best years, personally and professionally, were sober. Fedoruk met his wife—they wed after a Flyers practice—and had their first had child when he was clean.

He was traded to Anaheim and had the gritty forward career year in 2005-06 with 23 points in 76 games.

And he never refused a fight.

Fedoruk underwent surgery in November 2003 after a fight with Eric Cairns of the New York Islanders left him with a broken face. He was clobbered by New York Rangers enforcer Colton Orr(notes) in 2007, caught with a hard right against his reconstructed left cheek that sent him down and out on his back. Surgeons implanted a small, permanent titanium plate in Fedoruk’s upper cheekbone to stabilize the orbital structure.

Fedoruk couldn’t maintain his straight-and-sober lifestyle for much longer.

He was just a young, rich athlete having a good time in a sport where alcohol is about as ingrained as nets and pads. That’s not milk champions swig out of the Stanley Cup.

Eventually, his run of good fortunate collapsed again.

“I always told myself, as long as you’re not doing coke,” he said, “it’s not going to be that bad.”

But there was more coke.

Fedoruk says he lived three lifestyles.

One as a brawling hockey player who upheld a code of conduct, one as a devoted family man, and one as a relapsed drug addict who secretly prowled the streets for his next big score. There was no trigger point, no defining incident that sent his life spiraling back out of control. He simply says he lost focus on the big picture of how to maintain his sobriety.

He wanted to be the life of the party.

“I was loud, somewhat obnoxious,” he said. “It was always, let’s go, let’s keep it going. It was 6 a.m. and I was looking for people to wake up and keep going.”

Fedoruk insisted fighting and years of absorbing blows was not the sole reason he returned to drugs. He had money and some fame and couldn’t handle the fine line between needing a weekend binge and falling into the deep end of addiction.

“I wanted that oblivion. That’s what I craved, that escape,” he said. “With being sober, everything is real. You’ve got to deal with (stuff).”

He’s had to cope with the offseason deaths of Boogaard and enforcers Wade Belak(notes) and Rick Rypien(notes). Belak hanged himself and Rypien was discovered at his home in Alberta after a call was answered for a “sudden and non-suspicious” death.

Like Fedoruk, all three prided themselves on answering the bell for the next fight.

“Could the pressure of fighting make you want to pick up? Yeah, I think that can be a trigger,” Fedoruk said. “I think it is a trigger. For me, it was. You just want to forget about having to fight the guy. You line up against a guy like Boogey, God rest his soul, but he’s 267. He’s a big man. You think about that a week before you fight him.”

After some soul searching in April 2010 following the rainy Tampa meltdown, Fedoruk felt worthless and turned to rehabilitation for a second time. In this stint, he completed a 28-day intensive outpatient program at Turning Point of Tampa.

Fedoruk calls April 26, 2010 his sobriety date—and a not a day too soon.

“Everything you put in front of me,” he said, “I did.”

Even with cocaine in his system, Fedoruk said he never failed a drug test. He also said he never took hard drugs with other NHL players.

Fedoruk entered the NHL/NHL Players’ Association Substance Abuse and Behavioral Health Program, which he knows helped save him. He truly believed the league cared about the physical and mental health of its players.

His wife, who could have bolted so many times, stuck by him. Fedoruk took a self-imposed sabbatical from the game last season and put his health and family life in order. The couple celebrated the birth of their third child, and his break made him realize how much he wanted to play again.

Fedoruk had 97 points and 1,050 penalty minutes in 545 NHL games with six teams over nine seasons. His agent let teams know Fedoruk was primed for a comeback and he signed a tryout contract with the Vancouver Canucks in August.

Assistant general manager Laurence Gilman said the Canucks did their homework and had a candid conversation with Fedoruk about his ordeal. The Canucks found a player who loved the game and had his priorities in order.

“We felt it was worth it to give this person an opportunity,” Gilman said. “If he comes to camp and performs well, and fits in with our group, he’ll have every opportunity to make our team.”

If Fedoruk makes the roster, he’ll keep throwing punches if that’s what it takes stay in the league.

“If he plays here,” Gilman said, “we expect him to play in the same manner.”

In the weeks leading into mid-September training camp, the 32-year-old Fedoruk frequently trained at the Flyers’ practice facility in Voorhees, N.J. Drug abuse or not, a year off for any reason can be fatal to a 30-something athlete, and Fedoruk needs all the work he can to make a team fresh off a run to the Stanley Cup finals.

He knows questions about his hockey abilities are a distant second to ones about maintaining his sobriety. Fedoruk calls it a “healthy fear” that he could relapse and vows to take the necessary steps to prevent one in Vancouver.

He wanted to share his story before camp because he’s tired of keeping secrets, and to maybe help the next Fedoruk—and prevent the next Boogaard.

“There is help out there. There is a way out,” Fedoruk said. “It’s just getting to the point where you can say, all right, I give up. I’m done. I don’t want to fight this fight anymore.”

He keeps a close circle of sober friends now and, while not becoming an overbearing born-again, more frequently attends church.

His confidence and a healthy lifestyle have been restored and he understands the daily maintenance needed to live the rest of his life without succumbing again to drugs.

“I don’t want to relapse again,” he said, “I know that much.”

NHL enforcer Todd Fedoruk fighting drug abuse - NHL - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news?slug=ap-fedoruksdrugaddiction)

[punkwax]

Pratt has a massive ego. Personally, I can't stand half the crap that comes out of his mouth.

[Tapioca]

If Pratt wants to talk politics, he should get his own show on CKNW. He lives in the West End, but he sounds like a guy from the suburbs.

Team1040 is the only sports radio station in the city. Management knows this and they've played hardball. Frankly, where is he going to go? CKNW? They're broke.

[EmperorIS]

FUCK THE LEAFS

[Tim Budong]

FUCK THE LEAFS

i one up ur comment

Gregor is an idiot

[punkwax]

FUCK THE LEAFS

Normally I wouldn't fail anyone for saying something I've said so many times in the past... but, what the hell, I gave you your 1000th :fullofwin:

[Tim Budong]

Normally I wouldn't fail anyone for saying something I've said so many times in the past... but, what the hell, I gave you your 1000th :fullofwin:

it is forever yours
http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/9692/screenshot20110909at419.png

[punkwax]

FUCK THE LEAFS

Normally I wouldn't fail anyone for saying something I've said so many times in the past... but, what the hell, I gave you your 1000th :fullofwin:

it is forever yours
http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/9692/screenshot20110909at419.png

Sig'd :D

[Gumby]

Happy birthday to Mattias Ohlund!

:Birthday:

[jeedee]

Canucks Preseason Tickets are out; presale code:

SLAPSHOT

[shawn79]

http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/news/photos/2009/05/15/bc-090515-canucks-bailey.jpg
Go there mid 1st period or start of second u can find tickets $15-30(if u lowball), get it from the black guy his name is kingsley. If u bought from him he will remember u and hook u up with good prices... i dont trust those other white man scalpers. Just walk down to lower bowl if u have upperbowl seats. :troll:

[MR_BIGGS]

For the poolies out there.

In a keeper fantasy league.
I want to pull the trigger on a Carey Price for Matt Duchene. Would you?

There are goalies in our draft who i can pick up.

[shawn79]

duchene will be a 75-80 solid center every night

carey price will also have solid numbers helping the habs 4th or 5th seed in the east

tough choice

[jeedee]

I'd go with Duchene. He's not in his prime yet, and will only continue getting better. Landeskog is expected to make the Avs lineup this season, and would only bump Duchene's numbers up.

But really, it depends what your keeper team lacks. Does it lack good centers or goalies?

[HonestTea]

Duchene too

[MR_BIGGS]

Our pool is based on a salary cap. I think Price's value is highest right now so unloading him would make sense as he will become an RFA after this season. Big contract next season.

I guess same goes for Duchene (RFA at season's end). If I make this trade, I won't have a goalie, but I value goalies a little less than forwards and I I can draft a goalie in our draft.

Our draft has the following goalies available:

Tim Thomas
Corey Crawford
Sergei Bobrovsky
Tomas Vokoun
Niklas Backstrom
James Reimer
Brian Elliot
Martin Broduer
Jonas Gustavsson
Craig Anderson
Rick DiPietro
Nikolai Khabibulin
Michael Leighton
Chet Pickard
Chris Mason
Dan Ellis

[PornMaster]

Carey Price is a choker

[shawn79]

i have a feeling corey crawford will choke in regular season but still winning division and turn beast mode in the playoffs

[LUUUUUUUU]

Goodbye, Lokomotiv! Video of heartbreaking farewell ceremony on ice - YouTube

[shawn79]

Fans Meet Alex Burrows This Monday at Best Buy midnight NHL12 launch

why cant it be hamhuis bieksa or edler :alone:

[Oleophobic]

^
lol yeah he was at the touchpad launch recently...I wouldn't mind meeting Bieksa this time around.

[Happy]

FUCK THE LEAFS

well atleast they have 11 stanley cups
i forgot.. how many do canucks have again?

[dlo]

not this again...

[Happy]

not this again...

not what again?
ahah do i really get failed for asking a question

[Tim Budong]

Fans Meet Alex Burrows This Monday at Best Buy midnight NHL12 launch

why cant it be hamhuis bieksa or edler :alone:

it better not be a gong show like the twins last year
but theres a regional cover with him on it

[CRS]

not what again?
ahah do i really get failed for asking a question

No, you get failed for asking about a topic that has been beat to death.

The Canucks have never won a Stanley Cup title. The Leafs, however, have not made the playoffs since the NHL lockout in 2004-2005. The Canucks have only missed the playoffs once since the lockout in 2007-2008. The Leafs have not done anything significant since the expansions and are nobodies to say anything about how the Canucks have performed.

The last Stanley Cup the Leafs have won was back in 1966-1967. This is prior to when the Canucks entered the NHL. So really, we're comparing apples to oranges if we're talking about the far distant past. If we're comparing the new NHL, the leafs have absolutely nothing on the Canucks except for a one ball, one season wonder.

[woob]

I'm so tempted to feed the troll right now.

[Happy]

^
fair enough, just tired of canucks fans talking shit on other teams when the canucks aren't so great themselves

edit: i got a question for all you guys
using the last 3 years as reference, which team is better
chicago or vancouver?

[LT Maverick]

bro, that has nothing to do with anything... it seems like you're just diverging the argument to chicago vs. vancouver since CRS owned u with stats...

edit: i like how u compare only the last three years and don't mention how before drafting kane and toews, chicago had one of the worse attendance records in the NHL

[JKam]

Fans Meet Alex Burrows This Monday at Best Buy midnight NHL12 launch

why cant it be hamhuis bieksa or edler :alone:

Because Burrows needs the money from these signings. He signed a super discount contract compared the the other guys. Edler knows he's up for a big contract extension too.

[68style]

not what again?
ahah do i really get failed for asking a question


Yah, cuz when the Leafs won all their cups, there were 6 teams in the league... must be nice to go into every single season knowing you have a nearly 20% chance of winning the championship every single year no matter how bad your team is................................. and the Leafs still won fewer cups than all the other Original 6 teams except the Rangers... so they even sucked in that era comparatively speaking! LOL

[b0unce. [?]]

sorry, which best buy location?

[shawn79]

cambie.

what are the chances hamhuis doing a signing?

i know bieksa and edler has done it at bestbuy or save on foods

[Happy]

Yah, cuz when the Leafs won all their cups, there were 6 teams in the league... must be nice to go into every single season knowing you have a nearly 20% chance of winning the championship every single year no matter how bad your team is................................. and the Leafs still won fewer cups than all the other Original 6 teams except the Rangers... so they even sucked in that era comparatively speaking! LOL

leafs aren't even my team
i don't follow teams, i follow players
you can make fun of the leafs for all i care lol


bro, that has nothing to do with anything... it seems like you're just diverging the argument to chicago vs. vancouver since CRS owned u with stats...

edit: i like how u compare only the last three years and don't mention how before drafting kane and toews, chicago had one of the worse attendance records in the NHL

totally man i got owned so bad
maybe if i gave a fuck i would wikipedia some facts and reply too
too bad i don't
i asked this question because chicago and canucks met in the playoffs plenty of times
canucks winning the most recent by fluke
am i not allowed to ask questions now or something?

[spideyv2]

leafs aren't even my team
i don't follow teams, i follow players
you can make fun of the leafs for all i care lol

Why do you post in here if you aren't a Canucks fan? You look like an idiot.

[LT Maverick]

Blasphemy! this is madness... This is Vancouver!! :troll:
i admit, i lurk revscene for the most part and this subject has been discussed numerous times. Seeing how this is vancouver, hearing "leafs suck" "blackhawk down" should be a given because most ppl like cheering for their home teams bcuz there is that hometown connection. It's not about oh how can canucks fans talk so much shit when they're not that great themselves... you get that in any city that is passionate about their own team... For example, i'm sure even the shitty teams' fans (ie calgary) talk shit about good teams (ie canucks) :troll:

[jeedee]

cambie.

what are the chances hamhuis doing a signing?

i know bieksa and edler has done it at bestbuy or save on foods

Hamhuis did a signing recently a few weeks ago...just not in Vancouver though :troll:

[tonyzoomzoom]

well atleast they have 11 stanley cups
i forgot.. how many do canucks have again?

did any of us here witness or were any of us actually born the last time the leafs won the cup ?

[DanHibiki]

Leafs can only win/make it to the stanley cup when there are no more than 6 teams in the league lol

[Not really racist!]

people just cant seem to think of another argument besides how many cups.. jesus

[spoon.ek9]

^ that's really the only argument they can cling to anymore.

[The Hype]

people just cant seem to think of another argument besides how many cups.. jesus

It's the only argument that matters, that's why.

Granted, I agree that when the league was only six teams... However, since the modern day expansions that argument is completely valid. I don't shove that I'm a Ducks fan down your throats (well only 4 times a year not counting playoffs), but the fact is Anaheim, and any other franchise that has won a Stanley Cup is better, period. Wins in a season, divisional titles (which are completely overrated), even conference titles don't matter unless your team is the one with it's name etched on it at the end of the season.

[Bouncing Bettys]

Ok so the Leafs were winning cups before the league was watered down.
If you guys need to ignore Stanley Cups from an era when the Canucks weren't around then we can go on things like playoff appearances since 1970-71: Canucks = 24, Leafs = 25. Wins: Canucks = 100, Leafs = 102 :troll:

Point is, we can look at stats and ignore others all day or we can look at hardware. To quote a legend "It doesn't matter if you win by and inch or a mile, winning's winning." The leafs franchise has done it 13 times.

[dbaz]

20-30 of those wins were probably just against the senators. roughly 30% of your wins are against 1 team. an incrredibly strong early 90's to late 90's senators team. :troll:

[spideyv2]

Ok so the Leafs were winning cups before the league was watered down.
If you guys need to ignore Stanley Cups from an era when the Canucks weren't around then we can go on things like playoff appearances since 1970-71: Canucks = 24, Leafs = 25. Wins: Canucks = 100, Leafs = 102 :troll:

Point is, we can look at stats and ignore others all day or we can look at hardware. To quote a legend "It doesn't matter if you win by and inch or a mile, winning's winning." The leafs franchise has done it 13 times.

Your team has been irrelevant for 7 years.

The name of this thread is 'The Official 2011/2012 Canucks Thread'
so why post about other teams that no one in here gives 2 fucks about? go make an NHL thread in the sports section and have fun talking about your shitdick teams there.

[Bouncing Bettys]

jayare604 - Join Date: Oct 2010

You were likely riding a 10-speed Canadian Tire special when I was posting here. :fuckthatshit: I'ts been discussed before newb.

On another note, funny how I wasn't the one discussing the Leafs - they were brought up yet again by Canuck fans.

[spideyv2]

jayare604 - Join Date: Oct 2010

You were likely riding a 10-speed Canadian Tire special when I was posting here. :fuckthatshit: I'ts been discussed before newb.

:okay:

[Tegra_Devil]

wow, lots of arguing and im not even involved............

It's the Only Argument I Need, Shawn! - YouTube

[shawn79]

shawn :fullofwin:

[spideyv2]

shawn :fullofwin:

is gay :troll:

[Tegra_Devil]

shawn :fullofwin:

i thought about u after i posted it :gayfight:

[jeedee]

IMO the only thing that matters is when a team makes the playoffs and can perform. The argument that the Leafs have cups from 100 years ago and are better than the Canucks is irrelevant because Toronto never makes the playoffs

http://philosophistry.com/scans/2010/lol-face.jpg

[Tegra_Devil]

i dont know about u........but id rather have been a champion once in my life than a runner up(at best) for all of it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13NEvvesqCk

[clowe]

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/314999_10150375937450996_333387460995_10499046_205 7009684_n.jpg

[van19]

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/314999_10150375937450996_333387460995_10499046_205 7009684_n.jpg

:sweetjesus: Where can you get that ? Is it for the Best Buy midnight thing with Burrows ?

[clowe]

:sweetjesus: Where can you get that ? Is it for the Best Buy midnight thing with Burrows ?

Yep, a limited supply of these customized covers will be available at the Cambie Best Buy location during the midnight launch.

http://www.ea.com/nhl/blog/nhl-12-launch-midnight-madness

[Vansterdam]

Fans Meet Alex Burrows This Monday at Best Buy midnight NHL12 launch

why cant it be hamhuis bieksa or edler :alone:

wanna line up for 4.5 hours again? :troll: